The great city swap | Civ 5: Only War #11

Shenanigans both legal and illegal are afoot in the grand finale!
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The great city swap | Civ 5: Only War #11
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[@BadVideoWatcher1]

The last few turns of a series called "Only War" is a race between a culture and a diplomatic victory

[@Hawk_of_Battle]

As is tradition.

[@MyAquilo]

It’s not like the early series of civ any more. It’s either the mod, or they all got a bit better, and they can actually defend in a war now.

[@mdikeee4817]

And 3 nukes tbf

[@b3stnoobever]

@@MyAquilo Part of it is the mod I'd think as it speeds up the game even more. So war is even harder as units become obsolete quickly, unless you're border to border and have a lot of gold

[@PhilipBeresford]

This is the way.

[@asimplearc3245]

Lewis "I want a full war game" Also Lewis: doesn't turn off other victory conditions or tweak the match settings at all and is surprised when no one needs to go for a domination victory with other victory conditions on.

[@timeenoughatlast3368]

Tbh Lewis' best strategy in this game would have been zurg rushing Rythian out of the game in the first hour and a half. Lewis smashes 1v1s as long as he isn't facing an overwhelming tech advantage. Domination is all about rolling with better tech or snowballing by decimating smaller civs and avoiding long, pointless wars

[@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat]

@@timeenoughatlast3368The guy with host advantage smashes 1v1s? Shocker.

[@edwardguest1404]

well Potatos voting Lewis into world congress leader cost him the two votes and the game

[@EpyonRules]

And them not passing World Ideology earlier, too.

[@TwilightLink293]

It's seriously sad and maddening. It would have actually been a semi-satisfying conclusion to this game had potatoe won.

[@jepeman]

With all the city gifting they did, doesn't matter.

[@edwardguest1404]

@@jepeman In what was doesn't it matter? Lewis's city gifting was no worse than Dalton's support of Duncan and Dalton's city gifts were taken before it would have mattered anyway.

[@edwardguest1404]

@@TwilightLink293 It would have been nice to see a legit Dipole win tbf

[@Lou-Mae]

Daltos mentioned on Twitch that there were 'two endings' and it was going to infuriate everyone. And now I understand.

[@Meraidd]

Ah yes, the Forbidden Vote ending

[@Satherian]

With that ending, we now have the last *_five_* games of Civ ending in a Culture victory

[@bobdowney9367]

Lewis carried this game entertainment wise. My king.

[@dekkonot]

Ironically this would be the most diplomatic victory possible because everyone was pretty obviously on Potato's side and wanted him to win, which is pretty much exactly what a diplomatic victory is.

[@sandert5836]

man, if potato hadn't acidentally voted lewis for head of the world congress he would've won this

[@edwardguest1404]

yep

[@hecticscone]

but he did win? lewis voted for him and he got the diplomatic victory

[@addisonbaker8211]

@@hecticscone Voting for other players for world leader has been banned for like 8 years by now.

[@hecticscone]

@@addisonbaker8211 and lewis did it anyway and gave potato the win...

[@kgapaneseschoolgirlb]

@@hecticsconeDid you stop watching halfway through???

[@Ben.Pickett3]

Maybe you guys should play in 2 sessions a week or so apart rather than 1 mega-session. It makes a lot more sense why people seem to just give up towards the end, if they're tired as hell. Also quick speed instead of online speed, as online breaks the game.

[@VoidheartVT]

It's been how many years..? Old man Lewis is never going to change

[@TheFudgeWay]

I would really like to see all win conditions off, except for domination. Keep the city domination rule, if you dont get a domination victory at a certain amount of turns the person with most individual enemy player cities wins (no city trading allowed). If you really want the victory map video at the end you can keep diplomatic on so you guys can vote for the victor when game ends.

[@neubtuber]

Yeah they need a turn timer. Otherwise a domination victory game will be like 30 episodes. Solid ideas

[@JJJW9W9W]

Slower game speed is required for domination victory

[@ivyartemis2431]

eh, wars are exhausting to fight, having an entire game being dedicated to slogs that eventually just end in nukes and XCOM squads (as all domination civ games end)

[@Hatypus]

I'd be alright with tech win being on tbh.

[@aliensinnoh1]

If they really want an only war game, the other thing they need to do is decide at the start that it’s ok if a player gets wiped from the game. Nowadays they often hold back to prevent the complete ejection of a player a few episodes in.

[@Bobicici]

Culture Victory NEEDS to be disabled in at least the next game. Then we could at least have a science race.

[@korenn9381]

every game they should turn off whatever victory won last time.

[@Bobicici]

@@korenn9381 100% agreed

[@TheLorax787]

One thing that would help avoid culture victory is to just declare war on someone long BEFORE they are influential. You don’t have to fight them, just being at war slows tourism.

[@TwilightLink293]

I think we have to wait another decade for them to learn this basic civ mechanic

[@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat]

I also liked the accidental strategy they discovered of declaring war with someone to lock in your city states against them. I run into that pain in my butt all the time with the AI, I've never considered it as an actual strategy.

[@okram2k]

The worst of all of this is that Duncan could have won ages ago if he had just walked a couple musicians into other's territories even if at war with them.

[@ThePigKnight]

Unfortunately that goes against his pure turtle strategy

[@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat]

The worst of all is that they left culture victories turned on in a game they labeled and designed as "ONLY WAR."

[@coling.4476]

Next only war game play it as single city game with only domination turned on on the tiniest map possible. That would be a lot of fun to see!

[@Franzibald_]

Daltos: "I play both sides", as if it is some masterplan that helped him.

[@TwilightLink293]

"I play both sides to make sure I come up bottom no matter what".

[@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat]

He says while producing literally nothing but raw science in his deeply unhappy, backwards, empire of enslaved city states.

[@pandin1788]

I wish they would disable all other wins conditions other than domination so we can actually see someone win with that.

[@bolbyballinger]

In theory I agree. In reality though Duncan got so far ahead in science this game that he'd have won with the same exact turtling anyway. So the core of the problem is that turtling always wins. I think you'd need an "everyone must be in at least one war after turn x" rule to prevent turtling.

[@spicy_mint]

@@bolbyballinger I agree, like they said this episode. In Civ5 he who does nothing wins. Starting a war is almost a guarantee to being left behind by those who don't participate.

[@tess2127]

@@spicy_mint everyone going honor kinda snowballed this, basically meant whoever was in the lead could just turtle and take the free resources rather than actually having to invest anything.

[@AquaAtia]

Domination sucks, the answer is just disable culture for a bit

[@Latro]

duncan - ive 100% lost, has internet coming up in 2 turns

[@ploppman7524]

At this point they should probably just disable culture victory for the next game. Science comes in later and takes a lot more active effort. And of course diplomatic victory practically requires the stars to align.

[@jamesdeacon9847]

Yeah real shame Potato accidently gave Lewis host otherwise he would've won the game

[@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat]

They should just do a space race. That'd be fun. Pure space race, it's the only win condition turned on. War is allowed but you can't win with conquest.

[@daddysempaichan]

The Key factor as to why Potato Loss(aside from voting Lewis Head of World Congress), is him overestimating Lewis's streangth and underestimating Duncan's Defences. Potato was hoping that Lewis and Duncan will foreverwar and run each other to the ground, or Lewis acutally taking cities off of Duncan, at which point he'll turtle up for the ineveiteable Lewis Offencive. What he did NOT expect was Duncan acutally living and doing well, so he never declared war on Duncan and letting Duncan getting extra Tourism off of traderoutes and whatnot. When it was known that Duncan was going for Culture Victory, Potato should've just declared war on him, because they aren't close enough together to properly fight in the first place so why not just stop him form getting those extra bit of Tourism off of you? Course that might just mean Duncan will be forced kills his CIty-State allies but knowing the Yogs he wouldn't bother. Anyways that's my thoughts on it at least.

[@Raktus]

So, as everyone has pointed out... that one slip up where Potato voted for Lewis basically cost him the game. But if you consider Lewis voting for Potato in the fake ending as the result of Potato not making that mistake initially and getting the votes he would have had... then its perfectly fine! ^_^

[@OmnipotentNoodle]

omg yea we could just say 2 of lewis's votes belonged to potato :O

[@Wargasmo]

Lewis: "Daltos, you should attack Duncan!" Daltos: "Ok!" Lewis: "Daltos, why have you done this? You're losing us the game!"

[@Jo-de3st]

To be fair, only declaring war AFTER your allies all died is a bit obviously counterproductive.

[@Wargasmo]

@@Jo-de3stI'll show you a bit obviously counterproductive.

[@TheOCO8]

5:58 what honour??? Are you messing??

[@MrMrchatcity]

Duncan always turtles up.

[@mrsansoms]

A culture victory in a all honour fight game... for shame.

[@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat]

Dishonorable, is the word for that I believe.

[@Rath_9]

I feel like online speed just overpowers culture to make it the only win condition

[@IncredibleSven]

I am a big fan of the Civ series. I have been watching em from the very start. But lately im heaving trouble watching them. I want to see Rythan and Duncan do something different for once other than play a singleplayer game of Civ 5. The aim is to win the game and u want to do that by any means necessary, be that ally with one guy and betray him later or go full on for a strat. The concept will turn stale if the players choose out of comfort and laziness to not do anything and not interact with the game, and I think Only War was an initiativ to change this. I was excited for this series as I thought the Only War rule would be enforced but I was quickly disapointed with how quickly it became a normal Civ game and everyone assumed their usual roles. I think we have seen Lewis evolve from being the one that enjoyed going for the turtle strat, to enjoying a dynamic game filled with content and enjoyment. I think this series was an initiativ on his part to make a more dynamic Civ series which forced some of the more reserved players out of their shell. But how sad to see how it turned into a battle of Diplomatic and Cultural victories..... The intrigues and the change of tides is what makes these videos so fun. Lewis is bringing his A game and Potato always brings great content. I am personally tired of Rythians constant complaining without doing anything about it. I love the guy, but let him sit the next Civ game out if he doesn't enjoy the multiplayer part of Civ. Anyway..... just want these series to reach their full potential, and I think u might need to switch the panel up, invite some outside yogscast Civ creators and get a real game going!

[@theformalmooshroom9147]

Outsiders are generally too good and just dominate the whole game, like from the very start. If you're looking for pro strats you won't find them here.

[@jamesdeacon9847]

@@theformalmooshroom9147 Okay? that's fine, if they get their shit pushed in they get their shit pushed in but atleast it'll be some good content and force them to adapt, learn and actually contest a victory, Diplo & Domination victory are near impossible because they are the only ones these guys actually fucking do anything about unlike culture where they start a war 20 turns before victory without the internet.

[@theformalmooshroom9147]

@jamesdeacon9847 Yea that sounds good only in this case they won't feel forced to do anything but give up and watch some on their second monitor. If things seem too hard or that there isn't a chance of winning most of them will just give up rather than try to adapt and overcome. That is why you need people within the same range so they always think they've a chance to win.

[@jamesdeacon9847]

They literally already do that in Every Single Series -.- atleast we would actually see someone be proactive and the panic the yogs have when it's happening

[@theformalmooshroom9147]

@jamesdeacon9847 If that's what you're looking, proactivity, then you just need to watch someone else because just not their style.

[@jakobknudsen6864]

Man, the ending was so much more entertaining with all of you being well rested. Maybe you should make it a habit of splitting these recordings into two parts? Also, I agree with all the comments that suggest turning off culture as a victory condition. That would make these games a lot more interesting, as unless you do that the ending is basically a foregone conclusion.

[@Ninjachickenfingers]

I always root against Duncan quite truthfully… he does the same damn thing every game. Captain Turtle 🐢

[@john98765333]

"Lewis just can't take it" Says the guy that went for a culture victory in a war game.

[@theformalmooshroom9147]

To be fair he had a fairly big military and while that was the idea, it wasn't actually adhered to by anyone but Lewis after the city states were dead.

[@aliensinnoh1]

They should turn off the other victory types if they want a true only war game.

[@ezambium1]

And potato went for diplomacy. But Duncan still had the biggest mist teched out army. If that's not war like then I don't know what is.

[@bradleywesterman4439]

Lewis couldn’t take it so much that he made the next game a “war only game” because he’s a salty sore loser. So much so that he broke their only rule and voted for someone else to become world leader. Duncan had better tech and better culture with a bigger army. There was no reason for him to fight an offensive war. You’re just mad your daddy didn’t win. Cope and seethe

[@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat]

Also, I feel like Duncan would've won on Military anyways. He had flipping Infantry when they were still using riflemen. He had ATTACK HELICOPTERS when they still had riflemen. If he had left his turtle after hitting that power spike he would've wiped the floor with that entire island. Science is the ultimate military asset in this game by far and he was like 600 science ahead.

[@alexbutler1872]

Rythian callin out duncans shit was amazing. And the casual alright to stop duncan wafflin back. Fckn brilliant rythian. Really stepped up and warred this game. Love to see it

[@Hydra707]

In other news: A body of Duncan Jones has been found in Bristol Canal.

[@Zer0sLegion]

Welp, I guess I have to join the Yogscast now to crab bucket Duncan every game.

[@PrimoAndre89]

I thought Potato was supposed to be half-decent at Civ but that "How do I declare war on Duncan?" line really had me take psychic damage.

[@superjukud]

Civ 6 brain

[@akimbojimbo8393]

He only plays civ6. Also the version they play has some mods which propbably change the UI a little

[@Ben.Pickett3]

I don't understand why Duncan seems surprised that no one wants him to win when he did the same turtle he always does in an 'only war' game.

[@bradleywesterman4439]

You’re just salty much like the people that don’t want him to win. Duncan fought his most successful war ever in Civ 5 in this game, and it was against the combined resources of three factions. Cope and seethe loser

[@Ben.Pickett3]

@@bradleywesterman4439 i’m disappointed that he didn’t play to the spirit of the game. your inability to have anything mature to contribute is sad.

[@bradleywesterman4439]

@@Ben.Pickett3 I am fulfilling the mandate to argue in the comments. 😊

[@ralle2014]

@@bradleywesterman4439 Like they say in the video, its nothing impressive to win a defensive war (with some crucial oil from Daltos) against 1.75 people (Lewis = 1, Potato = 0.5 since he was not fighting but gifting units to lewis and 0.25 to Rythian who didnt produce anything but only got his gifted gothic army killed) of vastly inferior units since Duncan just sat in his corner and turtled all game in what was supposed to be an "only war" game, something even Rythian adhered to in some degree. In this episode, with Duncan going on the offensive and knocking out city states and being an ACTIVE player, he earned this victory that much more. Also, how the others used some rather 'gamey' tactics like giving occupied city-states and such also gave some merit to his win. But you might not understand this with your brainpower matching 2 ducks, so mald cope and shiver

[@cassu6]

xd@@weebly_

[@Satherian]

Okay, I'll be honest - the back half of this video was very exciting, even though it was just Potato and Lewis trying to cheese the game mechanics, and Lewis's cheeky plan was kinda funny. The end result was the same though and so I have ripped my dick off and launched it to Mars.

[@EpyonRules]

What's Rythian gonna do with it, though?

[@theformalmooshroom9147]

​@@EpyonRules😂😂😂

[@theformalmooshroom9147]

​@@EpyonRulesgift it to Potato probably.

[@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat]

How in the world can you say that but if I make a single peep about Palestine I get shadowblocked.

[@Satherian]

@@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat *_bruh_*

[@randomstuff063]

I never understood how these guys can play this game for years and still not understand some basic mechanics.

[@benroper5049]

It's the frequency they play it- if you only do something once every few months it's pretty hard to retain information to be fair 😂

[@Scoots1994]

They are not trying to max it, they are trying to be entertaining.

[@D34N6232]

It's the Yogscast guarantee! How many years have they been playing TTT for and they still don't know to ADS when shooting, how many years have they been playing GTAV and they still don't know that there's a whole mechanic around melee combat. Being bad at games is their MO and part of their charm, at least I think so.

[@thomasfleming8131]

​@@Scoots1994Oh absolutely. But maybe you should know how the victory conditions work, like that city states increase the total number of votes you need.

[@RandomFlask175]

@@Scoots1994 There's a difference between min-maxing and knowing the fucking basic mechanics

[@jacobparker4676]

One alternative for future games could be to disable the culture victory if its unbalanced in lekmod? I'd honestly think even a domination/score victory only game could be quite intriguing. Sure, taking everyone's capital gets you the domination, but even taking individual cities pushes up your score.

[@TwilightLink293]

When will they finally learn that if there is even a sliver of a cultural victory threat, you IMMEDIATELY declare war on that player, there are NO DOWNSIDES, especially when you are on the other side of the map and they can't get you - there is no war weariness in Civ 5.. You don't have to switch your whole economy to war effort, you don't have to actively fight them - just enjoy the removal of positive tourism modifiers and the negative tourism modifier that being at war imposes. It can buy you crucial turns that help you achieve your win condition. At this point, it would help future games if you disable the victory type that won the previous match. Also Potato won - technically two of Lewis' delegates belong to Potato.

[@ivyartemis2431]

the domination victory lewis set up doesn't really work, because theres no incentive to just roll over and let someone take a random city, especially if its a shit city that hasnt impacted your economy much. like, why would you just accept someone achieving a victory condition? Lewis certainly didnt when Duncan was getting his culture victory, and no one would if they saw someone was building spaceship parts. the reason taking a capital is the normal victory condition is because when you take someones capital they are usually in a position where they can no longer fight back. but here, like when lewis took the cities from Rythian and Potato, Lewis was unwilling to admit defeat because of his victory condition, despite not really achieving anything useful to compound his advances, and Rythian and Potato had no real reason to just let it happen

[@zizou00_]

Yeah, when every city is effectively the capital, everyone's gonna defend every city with their full force. It's kinda like "next goal wins" in football. All it does is make both teams not want to concede, because conceding means losing. You might not win, but you won't lose, which means you might win later.

[@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat]

"You need one more vote to win." Remember two videos ago when he accidentally made Lewis the head of the Congress? "Oh well you only lost one vote anyway."

[@Khrayfish]

Diplomatic victory could work for 'war only' if you do some sort of toadie system where the losing player votes for the winner in world congress.

[@james3098]

Next series suould be dominatiok only. I was hyped for an only war game then disappointed to see only one person actually went for victory by warfare

[@edwardguest1404]

Potato victory I hope!

[@bioniclelegend7]

Ngl I know it's hard to do these for you all but I love them so much. Its so fun watching ye play all this

[@GhostOfSparta]

You all should play crusader kings 3 next

[@kgapaneseschoolgirlb]

Let’s be honest, Duncan probably could’ve won the domination victory at the end with the tech advantage he had.

[@bolbyballinger]

Which is why the problem isn't just that other victory conditions were left on, but also that turtling was allowed. Probably need a house rule where everyone has to be in a war at all times (after a certain number of turns) so that you have to balance turtling and fighting.

[@kgapaneseschoolgirlb]

@@bolbyballinger I mean, I was fine with him turtling. It’s everyone else’s fault for not attacking him. His civ was literally designed for turtling. They could’ve easily dragged him into a war, had they tried to sooner.

[@thomasmadelain2256]

Basically Lewis needs to spawn in the center of the map so he can "poke" whoever is turtling, as I feel he's the only one doing that when everyone else would rather play sim city.

[@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat]

@@bolbyballingerI agree with Kgapanese, if you want people not to turtle you need to recognize what's happening and act. Even if they'd all declared war on duncan or voted to embargo him that would've gone a long way in slowing him down. Same way Duncan should've realized he needed to compete for City States if he wanted to fend off Potato.

[@OodldoodlNoodlesocks]

Even with the other conditions disabled, Duncan probably sitll would have won this.Lewis was defeated militarily, Rythian and Daltos built no army and Potato would likely not have been able to defend every city from Duncan. The problem, I feel, is that these games tend to be half filled by people who aren't actively trying to win or simply don't have the conviction to do what is necessary to win.

[@samuelcutrell5635]

I think it's funny that the outside perspective shows diplo or tourism being ridiculously easy victories, when in fact it's because all other contestants completely neglected to compete with those aspects and only contested a domination victory from lewis

[@samuelcutrell5635]

mad respect to lewis, i hope he wins a domination victory eventually because he was the only reason it was entertaining to watch

[@theformalmooshroom9147]

​@samuelcutrell5635 I personally liked watching him get his ass handed to him

[@justarams4562]

I still think the vote for Potato at the beginning still counted. He basically orchestrated the entire early war. If Daltos had any votes I would've said the same but Potato played it straight on the entire game.

[@bioniclelegend7]

Man if potato just sent those nukes to duncans capital and guided missiles he actually might have been able to take it

[@cloudsora]

Honestly the fact other victory conditions weren't enabled is... um... strange?

[@rushifagaming809]

I might be salty but i mean its a conquer 1 city from every player rule i only wish there was a free for all

[@hecticscone]

the only thing more satisfying than a salty Lewis is a salty Duncan...

[@turnip9367]

I feel like a lot of the time the Yogscast play this game, they end up falling into the sunk-cost fallacy - they dedicate so many resources to a war, that they feel compelled to see it to it's completion, whether that be victory or defeat. And it ends up crippling their chances at winning the game because their opponents, who have been shielded from the war, can just turtle away and become so advanced that there's virtually no chance of defeating them. Duncan didn't win through skill but by luck.

[@Dylan-id1dx]

nice war game

[@Kore99X]

So when can we get an actual True Only war game?

[@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat]

"I can't let you turtle for 120 turns then win." But you DID do that, you did exactly that, ya'll fought each other for 120 turns while he turtled up to win.

[@maxt5319]

I don't understand why any other conditions were enabled for an "Only War" series. When others started talking earlier in the series about other victories I knew it wouldn't end with domination. Just will never happen. After all these years, the best series ever - Islands of Blood - is yet to be topped as the best. That one is a classic.

[@randomshotz13]

Try a tiny map Dom victory only with one city challenge, would be carnage

[@LaurenceGill2000]

Its amazing how many fundamental tenants of the game they still do not understand. Both Duncan and Potato/the rest of them fumbled in like multiple ways

[@Aussie_Archmage]

Honestly, after the game that was played, they deserved this second recording session. Should have turned off other victories to enforce the conquest. Lewis definitely the best part of this game.

[@Reesel]

For the next series, disable all other victory types except domination. Should be a fun next game.

[@TheRdude2]

Consider trying this ruleset again. This time, turn off all win conditions except Domination?

[@shadow3d1]

Next series: Only Only war, domination victory is the ONLY condition

[@LD-bj4xc]

They need to add the atomic bomb back,it’s the best equaliser in civ and not having it kills off a lot of fun

[@Force2reckonVods]

Ya'll left other win conditions on, so the wins legal, I'm salty but not surprised

[@TheSoevdeProject]

I wish we could see the «units lost» stats!

[@TheLorax787]

If potato had not accidentally voted for Lewis he would have actually won with diplomatic

[@TFrills]

War should have been the only victory condition.

[@polaris6644]

Definitely a complete mess. For an "Only War" game, it's hilarious to see the other victory conditions still left on. Hearing Lewis and Duncan's spat later in the video makes it even funnier

[@jamesslone6345]

I’d like to see a team game with domination victory only!

[@Baalshazar]

Overall a good stime Duncan should have been forced into a conflict in only war early, I love a constent war game. Where, no mater what, they are at war. That would put some really stress since happiness is tied to trading and I believe quicker production.

[@SpydrXIII]

Lewis Rulebreaker

[@SchlauKerl]

Potato not beelining globalization was a blunder :( Also they could have all given him if Rhythian also gave him a city and Potato nuked and took Panama rather than trying to liberate it

[@kgapaneseschoolgirlb]

I wish they looked at the graphs

[@Khal_Trekram]

It really needed 6 people, 5 means there is always one who has a big advantage. Maybe try a 4 player War only one next time, if there are concerns with 6? Kinda felt like it was out of hand half way through, I didn't really expect anyone to stop Duncan at the midway point.

[@thelexhibtionist]

Lewis has two modes: trying very hard and being obnoxious about being in front, and being slightly behind and completely throwing the game. It's always so funny but wild to see

[@cyrus9043]

Please dont stop doing these my favorite thing to watch on yt

[@thatguynameddan2136]

Duncan didnt deserve the win, he refused to play to the spirit of the match.

[@ChaoticHarmony431]

Potato’s win wasn’t through war either. If they wanted to have an “Only War” game then they should have turned off the other win conditions.

[@j_dav]

The problem with everyone else going to war is they are not building their culture. So they get overwhelmed by tourism so easily

[@BodywiseMustard]

20:12 Duncan screwed up and cleared the way for Potato, and then Potato screwed up and clicked on the tile before the city, instead of the city...

[@addisonbaker8211]

That's not how that works. The game thought Potato could get all the way to the city because Potato couldn't see Duncan's marine, which exercised zone of control over the tile Potato moved to. If he had clicked on the city instead, nothing would've changed; that path still goes through the same tile, meaning the tank would get ZoCed on the same tile just short of the city attack.

[@Bieranti]

It would be really interesting if in some session you would blindly randomise win condition which should be achieved by the player and then they would have to proceed through that way.

[@Spidd124]

Next game you should put abundant or legendary start on, I want to see you guys all going fully at each other. I want total nuclear war.

[@jamesdeacon9847]

Feel like the worse their starting land is the more they'd war because then they'd actually have to fight to get the shit they need not just sit pretty with 3-4 cities a little corner

[@jjdjpkw]

Byeeee guys, till next match!

[@strategystuff5080]

Spoiler Potato would have won if he didn't make that voting mistake that one time :P still really boring game, Lewis really tried, + Rythian complained hard for a few parts, Daltos did nothing, Potato did good, Duncan did good but did the most boring play ever.

[@EpyonRules]

Diiiid Potato do good, though? I mean, his whole reason for delaying settling cities other than his capital for so long was to make his capital a mega-city, and it STILL *paled* in comparison to *any* of Duncan's cities, and he had 4 settled by turn ~40. Though, yes, in terms of diplomacy, he did alright, other than his mistake of voting Lewis as the Host and not passing World Ideology way earlier on.

[@strategystuff5080]

@@EpyonRules By Yogscast standards he did good

[@Smehead6]

Simple solution…. Next game is honor world domination victory condition , then no one can turtle or play both sides.

[@garrethatch5362]

Now disable culture victory for the next one

[@Nimbus3000]

Captain turtle... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

[@funtagekill1e]

this is a diplomatic victory and i count it as cannon, the continues tourism victories are getting just boring

[@thomasblyde4301]

Another culture victory. woo... from someone barely playing the same game.

[@carlosnavarrete1094]

I don't think it matters for viewability if you have "Only War" or not. The important thing is to stop trying to help each other like in previous series and just try to win.

[@woesmaro]

civ 2 come onnn

[@Z0eff]

YES! I was so worried they'd give up and end the game then and there but they actually loaded up the save file 2 weeks later!

[@Kicksticks]

Man what an amazing session this was. Bit sad to see the end result but i can't complain lmao i had wayyy too much fun watching these.

[@Pokemaple]

God, tourism victory is so lame

[@linkatronic]

God bless these players for coming back to an already decided game of Civ two weeks after the fact! I really loved this series, the banter was top notch and there were so many laughs. Thanks for the great content!

[@YourAverageTurtle]

I actually enjoyed the time they had to reflect

[@dunadanjsr]

This is what happens when you forever war. And with this group, every war is forever war. Unless they finally notice someone's miles ahead.

[@thomasmadelain2256]

Forever wars are forever wars because the two players involved in one tend to be broadly equal. They are a good thing, so long as they involve the top two players. Once a third party jumps ahead, the warring players need to bury the hatchet and focus on the new threat asap, which I think is where things went wrong in this game. However Duncan is pretty good at underreporting how much ahead he is in science, either by bee-lining techs or switching techs when there's one turn left to research so that it deflates his tech ranking in the demographics.

[@HazedRodox]

I really enjoyed this series. However, perhaps I missed something along the way. I thought the point of this game was to pursue a domination victory above everything else.

[@GarzLemons]

Next game - no war!! Only turtling for science vs culture victory!

[@ChaoticHarmony431]

Was an enjoyable watch. Congratulations Duncan on their win. I do think they should disable culture victory next time though, also maybe reduce the game speed. Though I could see the latter being an issue since their recording sessions tend to be long anyway.