The Great Dandadan vs Chainsaw Man Debate

With Dandadan now beginning it's anime adaptation run the conversation about what could have been Chainsaw Man's adaptation has resurfaced in abundance. Today I'm narrowing down the the conversation to something a lot more sensible. Thanks for watching, your support is greatly appreciated.
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[@YozakuraSensei]

Regardless of opinions, we will be there for both series 🙏🏾

[@rr_bagh]

Can we PLEASE just appreciate both and conclude that both are great works on art with great stories characters and vibes and that they dont constantly meed to be tied together or compared with one another

[@YozakuraSensei]

I agree, but we both know the anime community wouldn’t allow such a peaceful take sadly 😂

[@NoLimitsHtx]

Bro this the fun part of being in the conversation of being the greatest. Literally it just friendly discussion 😭

[@obara7366]

Even before the Dandadan anime, I have never been fond of the CSM anime adaptation.

[@rr_bagh]

@@NoLimitsHtx I getchu but it just gets annoying eventually when everyone shts on something you like

[@somanygoodfandoms]

@@NoLimitsHtx"friendly"

[@ryanchain9746]

I REFUSE to argue about this. I love both . I can have my cake and eat it too

[@YozakuraSensei]

@@ryanchain9746 A great stance to have my friend 🙏🏾

[@MysteryMedia2001]

You are the wisest one here. A fantastic stance to have.

[@RSIALVR]

exactly!!!!!

[@Just1ndark]

The whole debate between Chainsaw Man and Dandadan anime adaptations never made sense to me because, at their core, these two shows are very different. Chainsaw Man is dark and gritty, which is why I prefer the approach the animation director took, though it can still have light hearted moments. On the other hand, Dandadan is more light hearted but can get dark through the way the backstories are presented, we’ll have to wait and see how that gets translated into the anime. Both shows have great adaptations, so wanting something different isn't necessarily a bad thing. But, it often comes across as ungrateful, especially considering there’s a world where Chainsaw Man could have received a poor adaptation

[@wighht]

Exactly, there's a world where Chainsaw Man could have looked like Hell's Paradise. People who keep comparing the two are ungrateful for what they got with Chainsaw Man and they aren't real fans of the series at all

[@NinthShinigami]

I favor DanDaDan a lot more but I’m grateful Chainsaw Man helped get it to that point. We probably wouldn’t have had it without it.

[@arvoresdeoutono7791]

Wtf did csm anime do to help dandadan? Kimetsu no yaiba helped more

[@NinthShinigami]

@@arvoresdeoutono7791 I’m talking about the manga. Tatsu was an assistant to Fujimoto, and even Kaku of Hell’s Paradise.

[@boboyo3140]

​@@NinthShinigamiThe author of Spy family was his assistant as well

[@malboy4728]

btw Tatsu and Kaku had way mooore experience than Fujimoto they taught him how the basic principles of stagigng on a page, inking and much more. They were more of equals than master and student relasionship

[@boboyo3140]

@@malboy4728 where's your source for that? They had more experience ok, but where was it said they taught these stuff to Fujimoto? They were not his editors, they were his assistants

[@krusher737]

Basically all of this is Naruto fandom vs Bleach fandom vs One Piece fandom while all authors are good friends

[@StrayTato]

I literally had no issue with the Chainsaw Man adaptation. People be trippin.

[@smcdonough1427]

Yeah there's some weird ulterior motives behind the criticism of chainsaw man's adaptation

[@StrayTato]

@smcdonough1427 I thought it was smooth as hell and felt like the fight scenes carried the hype. "ItS toO cInEmAtIc" wtf was the Japanese base smoking? 😂

[@mathemagix_1222]

I thought it just had bad pacing compared to the manga, that's just me tho

[@watchamigos1232]

Chainsaw Man's animation was genuinely a treat to watch, I still don't understand why it got criticized

[@zaythalegend2997]

FACTSSSS BROOO🔥🤦🏾‍♂️

[@Ganchanzilla]

Personally I love chainsaw man’s muted colours, it makes things feel grounded and real despite the craziness. Honestly my only complaint about the anime is that they cut the scene with the muscle devil.

[@angel444A]

I hate that everytime a new anime comes out it turns into a toxic competition of "my favorite anime is better than your favorite anime" just enjoy them different preferences are ok but stop shitting on something just so you can try to perceive yourself as superior for liking something "better"

[@YozakuraSensei]

@@angel444A Such is the unfortunate state of conversing about shonen series sadly. In another timeline, it’d be peaceful engaging talks

[@uraveragehoovy]

You know now that you mention it the color choices for CSM are kinda what I would’ve expected out of a Fire Punch anime

[@leui.doesnotexist]

chainsaw man will forever be one of my favorite adaptations, the quality and consistency is still unmatched

[@SilverSaw988]

😞 Many People don’t like chainsawman just because of the animation. The direction is a big part of what made it so impressive. The Aki morning scene gets rightfully praised. It’s a look into how he operates, and his level of calm that is then distrupted by Denji and Powers presence. Something the manga didn’t manage to portray, but is vital to later developments he has with them. This is fantastic direction. And it was everywhere in the story. People complain about color but then conviniently leave out Denji vs eternity and it’s red hues, Aki approaching makima’s office with the dawn-lighting, Himeno and Denji in the bed with the vibrant blues, and much much more. And when it does come to the animation, it’s significantly better than “good”. It’s actual cinimatic quality almost constantly. The characters constantly have fluid realistic movements with impeccable lighting and I’ll be 100% with you, it looks MUCH better than what we’ve got with dadadan so far. Which has had good to average animation with a really iffy CG monster in episode 2. People don’t think those who complain about the CSM anime are just talking about animation. They think that they are nitpicking to death an adaptation that fired on all cylinders like almost no other. And then got the director fired for comments that weren’t even negative about anime. It’s actually mind boggling As you said, directing is more than just animation, and that’s why I don’t get the inability to appreciate all of CSM season 1’s incredible decisions, because it wasn’t over the top enough. When the manga puts heavy focus on the characters body language, a show-don’t-tell story style, and cinematic paneling. Something the anime captured perfectly. The events in CSM are batshit. It’s true. But they are often told in a very down to earth way. Sorry, this just annoys me to no end. Rant over

[@YozakuraSensei]

@@SilverSaw988 no need to apologize. It’s an open discussion 👋🏾

[@SilverSaw988]

@@YozakuraSenseigotcha, thanks for understanding. I really liked the vid, and your content in general. Keep it up!

[@YozakuraSensei]

@@SilverSaw988 thank you very much! Thanks for watching

[@thatoneundertalefanatic]

I honestly thought dandadan looked equally as good. Of course, it's not as cinematic and detailes, but it's not trying to be.

[@SilverSaw988]

@@thatoneundertalefanatic That’s fair. It does look good. I love the style. I personally don’t think the technical animation skill is up to most of CSM’s par on average, but it’s best cuts have certainly been comparable imo

[@mastaovdafist3551]

Both mangas are fantastic!!! The best part of their animes are that they aren't just one to one copies of the source material, but truly thought out cinematic adaptations!!

[@TheGreatKingChiba]

Dandadan feels like FLCL if it was written by Fujimoto. Its hella good, but it cant help but feel slightly derivative. Chainsaw Man is my favorite manga of all time.

[@phillemon7664]

The only problem with that assessment is that DanDaDan takes heavy inspiration from “High Strangeness” and the communities that surround it as well so I think it’s intent already is to depict things that already have existed before. CSM depicts an urban fantasy world intentionally where humanity’s fears become real. So both successfully execute their intention and in a memorable fashion. I think both are GOATed equally imo

[@thatoneundertalefanatic]

I mean... it is derivative. It's basically a love letter to the strange And i love it for that

[@Makimaroma]

That's ironic because Fujimoto once stated in an interview that CSM is inspired by FLCL

[@modvavet]

I wouldn't even want to compare the two but knowing the connection between Tatsu and Fujimoto definitely piqued my interest in seeing Dan Da Dan. I love them both SO MUCH.

[@squiggle3801]

No way dandadan adaptation is better than chainsaw man!! Chainsaw man had all the big animators on the project while dandadan doesn’t even have masaaki yuasa as the director.

[@YozakuraSensei]

@@squiggle3801 I wouldn’t use animators as a reason to scale projects tbh. Studio Science SARU has a ton of talented people both upcoming and established

[@BattleBeast5]

Chainsaw Man CGI is garbage, fight scenes are garbage too.

[@knoxxx272]

its not Dandadan's art direction thats perfect for csm, its the underrated anime called heaven's delusion. That show also had kensuke ushio as music director too, the blend of cinematic camera angles but w a very crisp and perfectly saturated color grading (unlike mappa's that felt heavily filtered and undersaturated ntm too CLEAN whereas the manga is gritty and dirty)

[@monster-enthusiast]

Anime haters: "Ugh, why can't this show be like that other completely different show?"

[@Mao_Dedong]

It`s funny because they are all the same: An underdog getting power by a monster and then fights with sidekicks against other monsters.

[@yoshikatsu_kira]

Honestly, people should look at animation as a medium more than looking at it simply as "TOP 10 MOST IMPRESSIVE MOMENTS IN ANIME". Animation as a medium has much more range than others do, and like other mediums, art direction can't really be compared because the art direction is in service to the story. I haven't watched all of the CSM anime, but there's obviously intent behind how they've adapted it, and I think it fits Fujimoto's storytelling very well.

[@Infinite_Mortis]

Damn people are actually complaining about quality being too good? Honestly, I think that the world of chainsaw Man in the anime did it perfectly because Fujimoto’s intention with this story was to create a world that was abysmal, and terrifying in the mundane. He took the trope of guns and gave us something to fear again with them. Other animes make guns seem so weak as shooters either miss the main character completely or just barely graze them. It helps to amplify those intimate moments and violent sections Plus, I just saw look back in theaters and absolutely loved the style choice in that film. It matches his artwork pretty damn closely. I think there is a beauty in his realistic approach with fantastical imagery.

[@donbeetle9069]

The way I see it, Chainsaw's tone with the pacing, color palette, and the scenes they decided to focus on were not put to the best use for the story. Chainsaw Man starts out and is setup like a typical Shonen with a raunchy and crass edge. Denji's motivations are simple and direct. He fights so he can get the dream he wants, a simple life away from his past. The fights, the funny moments, the dialogue and character dynamics are important. This style lulls you into the dream that this is typical Shonen at its core. Then when the style starts to break, it hits that much harder. Power, Aki, Makima, Reze, All these moments happen later on and break the trajectory to tragedy. Chainsaw Man at the beginning isn't just dark and gritty, Denji's attitude puts a shine over it, an unstoppable pursuit for something to achieve, that's what makes it fun. Borderlands, Bayonetta, Devil May Cry, These world are intensely sad and brutal to the common man but have a fun and colorful life when looking at it from our protagonist eyes, that is how I read Chainsawman. TLDR: CSM Anime was a good anime but a bad adaptation. The animation is good but the tone wasn't. Yes CSM is Gritty, No the film style wasn't a good choice because tragedy doesn't hit hard because you are expecting it from the tone they went with.

[@zaythalegend2997]

Wtf are we talking about here 🤦🏾‍♂️ So we’re saying It’s not Colorful and not bright enough this makes it a bad adaptation nigga what I’m pretty sureee majority of Csm fans when the first trailer dropped thought about the anime is gonna be having a cinematic style to it I don’t understand the whole coloring thing whatsoever this cinematic style is perfect not only it feels like your watching a movie but it’s different from other anime has been animated nowadays where it feels like typical cliche anime style approach where Chainsaw Man and Also some of JJK as well where the cinematic style just fits so well to the show

[@zaythalegend2997]

I get it that’s how some ppl wanted and I can’t argue with tht that’s just yall opinion but to say it’s a bad adaptation bc of the Coloring and and it’s not Vibrant is fucking insane I’m sorry it really is

[@takanara7]

@@zaythalegend2997 yeah this guy was trying to claim that CSM should have been vibrant and happy because Denji had a positive attitude at the beginning or something, but that's totally delusional. The beginning of the Anime he's a desperate kid just trying to survive, he's not got a "positive attitude" - he's sad about what he doesn't have. After he gets picked up by Makima he's just following instructions until he settles on a new dream (trying to touch boobs). Saying the stuff about Denji needing to sell one of his nuts and being chopped up and thrown in a dumpster should be shown in a light/colorful way is totally nonsensical.

[@mishmashed3842]

Chainsaw Man's season 1 style (and a bit of jjk's season 2's) would be PERFECT for a Chainsaw Man part 2 anime adaptation

[@NLSho]

Chainsaw man anime and art was damn near perfect every drawing. Wyd are ppl talking about bad adaptation?

[@YozakuraSensei]

@@NLSho As all forms of media, not everyone shares this same idea 😅

[@rizkuda]

I believe you're right, as most of the tweets I seen lately think people are talking about the animation. In reality most of the criticism of the Chainsaw Man anime was rooted by Japanese audience during the airing, as they seemed to desire this more cartoony style like Bocchi or current example Dandadan and their extreme backlash led many to believe any criticism to be seen as ungrateful or unwarranted. Personally, before the studio was announced I was hoping for Trigger as I felt they could capture the vibes and wackiness of Chainsaw Man, but I was satisfied with season 1. I do think the color choice can be too mute at times and sometimes wish we got the more expressive ones like in the endings, but I respect the direction and the choice to pay homage to Fujimoto love of films. One thing I do feel is that the complete focus on the cinematic direction doesn't fully capture Chainsaw Man, but maybe I will be proven wrong once my favorite arc "Bomb Girl Arc" Movie releases.

[@soep19]

idk, I really like how the current CSM is, it has so much realism in it's animations. There's not really much that we can stand to gain from it right now, but trust me, we will need it for the more serious and darker part of the story. Like the Makima and Reze mouse conversations or the snowball fight parts. It's my own opinion though, and they might screw the animation up in the future. In any case, it's a breath of fresh air to see animations like this instead of the usual cartoonish animations you can see in other animes. It really set them apart from the rest

[@peekopyro1840]

most japanese csm fan were manga reader, and they want the anime has csm manga artstyle..

[@NotSomeJustinWithoutAMoustache]

The mute colors feel less like creative liberty and more like some sort of creative limitation. It reminds me of how weird Fairy Tail Season 2 was, although that was much more egregious with the dullness. I could understand the more slice-of-life, lo-fi, chill moments in CSM having the mute palette, but the action sequences definitely gotta have more bombastic colors to communicate the insanity more.

[@Teandcrumpets]

Great take, i mean when you look at the colors used for the covers of the manga, they're so vibrant and full of contrast compared to the more dull looking colors used in the anime. Yes, chainsaw man is dark but it's also wild and bat-shit insane, which the colors used in the show don't reflect very well

[@takanara7]

@@Teandcrumpets this is ridiculous. The covers were just meant to be artistic and nice to look at as a still image, the manga still used 'normal' colors inside in the colored versions. Having the whole anime in gaudy neon pastels would have been totally ridiculous.

[@alexmikhylov]

wtf why are people stupid. dandadan is colorful because the story is ultimately cheerful. chainsaw man is mute because the story if ultimately depressing. is it really so hard to understand?

[@joji197]

I still think Chainsaw Man colors are way better cuz i love how realistic it makes the anime it makes it kinda grounded and also unique as hell will forever defend chainsaw man cuz i see the vision and im 100% sold on it i love it

[@IAMA1]

I adore the CSM adaptation, but I also love the manga and feel like the adaptation has a very different appeal in terms of visual aesthetic. I personally don't like that people shut down people's complaints about the show's adaptation decisions by saying "Fujimoto likes movies, so it's a perfect for the show to look like a movie." I completely agree with that phrase alone, but it implies that the "movie look" is a very specific form of cinematic realism, even though the show can look cinematic in many different ways. Just looking at the movies referenced in CSM's intro, and any other films that inspired Fujimoto can show you how diverse "cinematic" as an aesthetic could be, yet the show chooses to have clean character designs and a grounded, prestine visual quality. The environments may be dirty and highly detailed but the aesthetic is of a high quality modern drama, instead of the pulpy, grainy indie films that inspire Fujimoto's visuals and storytelling. Some people really out here thinking haters are mad because they only watch moe anime or something, but the people complaining are FANS of the MANGA. They just don't like how different the anime feels to reading the manga, and as someone who appreciates the differences but would ultimately prefer something more faithful, I can't blame them for they're disappointment. I ALSO hate how salty adaptation haters compare the CSM anime to every new show that comes out. I think it's fair for people to point out how other adaptations are more successful in adapting the appeal of their source material than CSM, but the phrase "tHiS iS wHaT cSm ShOuLd'Ve LoOkEd LiKe" is annoying. DanDaDan is what DanDaDan should've looked like. JJK S2 is what JJK S2 should've looked like. Bocchi The Rock is what Bocchi The Rock should've looked like. Just because CSM doesn't perfectly fit the manga's appeal doesn't mean it would be better for it to replicate the look of these other shows.

[@Xaellez]

fujimoto said himself he was happy with the adaptation to be different than the manga because otherwise there would be no point in making one

[@IAMA1]

@@Xaellez @Xaellez He said that recreating the style he used for the manga would make a "wrong or uncool impression" on film. You're right that he said he wanted something completely different from the manga, but he didn't say there would "be no point" in being faithful in it's adaptation choices. He's just okay with the staff doing their own thing. Adapting something is always transformative, even if you try your best to be accurate to the original, so trying to adapt Chainsaw Man to reflect its influences would still be different from the manga while being faithful. And no two directors, even if they're taking the same approach, would do it the same since everyone has their differences. Fujimoto's manga are inspired by films, but the adaptation doesn't reflect the films the manga is inspired by, instead going for a palatable, ambitious cinematic quality, which disappointed fans.

[@takanara7]

> The environments may be dirty and highly detailed but the aesthetic is of a high quality modern drama, instead of the pulpy, grainy indie films that inspire Fujimoto's visuals and storytelling. I don't really know what you mean by "grainy, pulpy" "Pulpy" applies to the storytelling not the visuals, and "grainy" just means film grain, but there isn't that much film grain even on 16mm film that a lot of indie movies used. What you're saying here doesn't really make any sense. A movie like "Reservoir Dogs" which had a super-low budget still looks like a "real" movie the difference is just in what sets they could use and what kind of action they could show.

[@snowflake4108]

If people read other fujimoto's work then they'll realize why it was adapted that way. There's some cinematic aspect to them. Especially goodbye eri. Also you'll understand the characters more too

[@daltoniospizza9175]

Chainsaw man feels more mature than Dandadan. People complaining about it are just manchildren who want to look at a rainbow kaleidoscope instead of a real story.

[@DenjiPotter-l1b]

Exactly

[@watchamigos1232]

Why do I need to compare the two? Both are absolute masterpieces in their own style and story

[@paragonangelnox]

i love the realistic approach they took in chainsawman, as soon as the series starts it sets this gritty tone that really adds the the world itself and what to expect. the melancholy, yet beautiful soundtracks from kensuke have to be some of my favorite composed pieces in anime too, hope he returns for the movie.

[@wesleycascio568]

I’m anime only for both and I think both are really good 👍. So far chainsaw man covers much more serious topics so the more muted and darker art choices make sense to me. And Dan Da Dan seems like it’s not going to cover as horrible topics so it’s more comedic and flash animation fits perfectly

[@Porifera-Jaymen]

Ranma coming back 40 ish years later with colour change set pieces in every episode (2 so far...). So hype to see volume 1 get that love.

[@YozakuraSensei]

@@Porifera-Jaymen I’ve been enjoying the anime so far! I’ve never read Rumiko Takahashi’s works so this is new for me

[@Lonnh]

I honestly don't get the hate for CSM s1. Fujimoto's paneling has such a filmic energy to it, especially the use of repeat frames and the subtle character moments it lingers on. His lineart aswell translates way more into a more rough feeling compared his cover art, and I honestly think having the openings and endings in those wacky artstyles and the show in this more grounded style is the most faithful translation of how reading CSM feels. Hearing people say it's unfaithful to the manga gives a bad taste in my mouth. There is some wackiness that's toned down in the anime, but translating that into the adaptation would lead to a show that loses out on the subtletly that I think is a quality more unique to CSM and Fujimoto. There's definetly stuff that can be improved upon for the next adaptations, but if they completely change course I think the show will be worse for it. The Power and Kobeni car scene just screams homage to Pulp fiction's car scene, and I think grouding the anime will actually accentuate the absurdity of it.

[@JUnit8404]

I love both anime and manga of DANDADAN and chainsaw man . But for the action and romance I go for DANDADAN because of the story and grounded it is …but I also appreciate the lessons and the characters from chainsaw man ❤

[@muhdwafi6305]

Nah this guy is waffling. Chain Saw Man adaption is fine, the show is just not for all.

[@YozakuraSensei]

@@muhdwafi6305 I’m just putting opinions out there and elaborating for open discussion. No single person can control an entire opinion 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@shawnellesmith]

Your thumbnail makes it look like Momo if falling for Denji.

[@paranoul]

I'm an avid chainsaw man fan and I really did not like the anime adaptations animation, everything else about it was fantastic so I cannot completely hate on it but after seeing how the look back movie turned out I'm especially bummed out that we didn't get that style of animation for it, when I look at the chainsaw man anime visually I feel like I'm just watching any plain old mappa anime but how look back was done makes me really feel like I'm watching fujimotos work come to life.

[@YozakuraSensei]

@@paranoul Appreciate the thoughts. Thanks for watching

[@omarawilson2853]

I remember hearing that FLCL was huge inspiration for Fujimoto. So I was expecting more vibrant color within the adaptation. Everything just felt really cold all the time and it kinda never meshed well with the characters behavior.

[@Michael-cy7ps]

I agree with you. To dumb it down Dandadan’s adaptation has a lot of style while it felt like Chainsaw Man’s didn’t outside of the opening and endings. I think the Chainsaw Man anime nailed the atmosphere but the visuals just never truly felt quite right.

[@MasterMike_]

I love the Csm adaptation, I'm actually grateful for the designs an tones it does, and i read the manga too, i don't want Csm to be adapted one for one, i would probably not like that style for an anime ngl, i don't wan't csm to look like dandadan, it just doesn't fit imo, that's why i don't think it's a bad adaptation, if you want it do be just like the manga it's probably a bad adaptation (duh it's different) but if you don't, this is a great adaptation, it's all subjective, i just hope they don't use as much cgi in the future

[@bugsnax4145]

The issue here is that dan da dan is over the top and fits the typical anime. You got characters making extremely goofy faces and just looking outright cartoonish. Chainsaw man, isn't that. Im sure a lot of people just had an issue with the cgi in Chainsaw Man and were hoping for more hand drawn scenes. The movie is coming up, so im sure it will look and feel slightly different since it will have a new director approach

[@Isaac7even]

there is immersion for chainsaw man there isn’t for Dan da Dan + chainsaw man is better In a realism style

[@seujroge]

BOTH ARE PEAK 🔥

[@arkachakraborty8104]

I love Chainsaw Man, don't get me wrong, but Dandadan is my favourite new gen shonen. It is the perfect blend of dark, goofy, edgy and wacky story that I love. The romance is also really well done. It's just perfect.

[@weomeow26]

I have no issue with both adaptations but in terms of animation, I do prefer Dandadan's. I think the cinematic approach for the Chainsaw Man anime could've potentially been superior, but it just wasn't executed perfectly in my opinion. In terms of manga and story however, Chainsaw Man is definitely the better one

[@justsomecheezyguy]

Ngl the cinematic look of chainsaw man's anime is one of the main things I love about the adaptation. Idk it just has a certain vibe that scratches an itch in my brain real good. And I love that the characters don't really feel like anime characters and more like real people if you get what I mean. Like the way they act and move. But that's just how I feel about it

[@Drash01]

The only thing I don’t like about the CSM adaptation is that they only made 12 episodes, which I think worked against it because, in my opinion, CSM starts to differ from a basic shonen manga at the beginning of the Reze arc, where it really sets up the true intrigue of Chainsaw Man. JJK, for example, couldnt be the hit that it was if they didnt adapted 24 episodes

[@necr0mancrr]

btw, Yukinobu is his first name and Tatsu is his last name. I've seen both be used by fans but using both Yukinobu and Fujimoto is a false equivalence.

[@Mr2dmonkey]

Enjoyed your video.

[@YozakuraSensei]

Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching!

[@sometimeselii]

the beginning was either hilarious convenience or genius post production

[@ratdisease5280]

i think it makes perfect sense to contrast the two shows because both manga have very detailed drawing and unconventional visual design but their respective adaptations take completely opposite approaches to translating that into animation. chainsaw man focuses on bringing that detailed drawing directly to the screen with very ambitious cinematic direction, but as a result a lot of the animation work came out looking rather stiff and unpolished (the aki morning scene is a great example of this, despite the detailed artwork and fluid movement the character acting is very floaty and robotic with little sense of weight or momentum to it) while dandadan simplifies its character artwork and mostly sticks to standard framerates (which drew a lot of ire from fans before the series started airing) in order to maintain more expressive and weighty character acting throughout each episode (or at least thats what weve seen so far, obviously were only a couple of episodes in). i think chainsaw mans approach is generally more appealing to the average viewer i.e. someone who knows that more detail and more movement generally means better animation but doesnt have enough technical knowledge to scrutinize it beyond that, while dandadans approach might alienate these same viewers despite seeming to appeal more to animation buffs and critics who have a more solid sense of what appeals to them. i definitely find myself in the latter camp despite being a huge chainsaw man fan and caring very little about dandadan so i think its fun to pick apart why exactly that is.

[@antoniolopez1135]

Why not both? Both are good and I like them

[@sixqo4896]

I think that the animation *direction* of Chainsaw man was chosen while thinking far into the future of the series. As you noted, Fujimoto tries to channel cinematic influences through his work, and the manga shows this by being a lot less cartoony than it's contemporaries. Especially later on in the series, it's supposed to be rather slower, bleak, and realistic, with many chapters just showing urban decay, Denji and Asa in an urban hellscape that's impossibly large and yet cannibalizing itself at the same time. I don't think that the style and colors should be turned up, its a very deliberate choice keeping in mind the later events of the series, which starts to lean more into horror and slower moments as it goes on. I genuinely can't think of another way that Fujimoto's inspirations and the story could be visually told than the realistic filmic style they went with.

[@DenjiPotter-l1b]

“Why can’t these two different anime’s be the same?” is what I got from this video. Absolutely pointless.

[@YozakuraSensei]

Thanks for watching anyway 😅

[@NLSho]

And last I checked isn't fujimoto color blind. And that's y the colors look so colorful

[@miramaxcinemax5512]

Loved Chainsaw Man adaptation. With all the craziness in the manga the world always seemed more dirty and muted to me. I really had a whiplash from all the complaints towards the adaptation, because they literally recreated what was in my mind when I read it. Especially now when we are in part 2 and its even more apparent there

[@Jester_tabaki]

As a huge csm fan, the csm anime is,, okay at best, the paces is really fast and I don’t really like that, I didn’t get attached to anyone who died in that ark because I barely knew them

[@tyson4113]

The chainsaw anime was great I really don't understand the why people hated it so much

[@DenjiPotter-l1b]

People just like to complain. It’s so pathetic.

[@RhymeRendezvous1]

Both shows are absolutely amazing maybe even peak but if you like one your bound to like the other and i find this critizsm alot bcz they are both absolutely great in their own right and also the co-creator? Sub-writer? I forgot but the guy who helped the author of chainsawman made dandadan meaning theres bound to be inspiration and alot of similarities

[@brofister9682]

Idk people complain for the sake of complaining

[@YozakuraSensei]

@@brofister9682 Many times this is true which is why I take my time to really filter through peoples takes on topics like this

[@duskyjackal1699]

What I want to know is, why all the comparison with DanDaDan v. Chainsaw man / Jusutsu Kaisen, when to me, DanDaDan is clearly in the same Genre as Mob Psycho 100.

[@soep19]

​@@duskyjackal1699 Finally, somebody that is making sense. I do have to say that Mob is much better at making important emotional fights compared to Dandandan, but DDD is much more vibrant and polished, and has more good side characters than Mob (not as good as Reigen and Dimple though, it's quantity over quality type shit)

[@thatoneundertalefanatic]

​@@soep19 i mean tbf, that's far from the focus of Dandadan. While mob's fights tend to be after a extreme event which causes Mob to blow up, Dandadan's fights are mostly just two goofy yet complex kids fighting for their lives against some weird ass monster because they're looking for balls or because they fucked up and angered them

[@MortalMercury]

One anime I wished it was more dark and gritty visually was Dorohedoro, I wanted the characters to be the ones that lighten the experience, like a ray of light but made with comedy, the constrast would be akin to dark humor just for how shit the place is when they make the funnies.

[@ccroww]

The only thing I don’t like about chainsaw man (fan) is They say trigun stampeed cgi looks like crap while chainsaw man never use cgi How dare them

[@MillsMiles.]

peak freaky vs peaky freaky

[@emerilmacayaon5186]

why is this one dude the reason to chainsaw man fans getting flamed bro, WHO LET BRO IN THE GROUP 😭🙏

[@takanara7]

CSM and Dandadan, just their manga, have totally different tones. CSM is super dark and gritty while Dandadan has a much more fun/wholesome vibe between the main characters. Dandadan's art-style changes depending on the tone in the panel (more cartoony in 'joke' panels, more 'badass' in 'fight' panels) The bright colors for CSM the volume covers doesn't mean the whole anime should be in pastels, the coloring inside the colored volumes was more muted, and anyway Fujimoto didn't do the coloring himself. There also WAS lots of use of color, so for example the cool blues in Himeno's apartment. CSM trying to be 'cinematic' was a tribute to Fumimoto's love of cinema, it wasn't just something they randomly decided to do to be cool. I feel like Japanese people just don't like the more realistic vibe, whereas people in the west mostly did like the realistic vibe.

[@rhinuu045]

damn on one hand the csm anime style really fits the world but on the other hand it really limits creativity in the visuals. i completely understand the criticism but then again the direction was still so good tho

[@rhinuu045]

i'd love the latter or something, utilizing different ways of using colors and unique lineart for different moments

[@isThreeman]

I got to about the 1:42 point and was just like "I don't actually care about anime fandoms fighting each other." Then clicked away. Not that it's a bad video or anything.

[@YozakuraSensei]

Absolutely okay!

[@LewdEve]

Wtf is this, that two anime is really different

[@YozakuraSensei]

@@LewdEve Series being different will never stop the community from comparisons 😂

[@trashlord6370]

The Problem is that chainsaw ma's tone doesn't fit a super bright color palate like dandadan is.

[@phistoltv5196]

Why are people forcing Chainsaw man and Dandadan comparison. These are completely different shows with different premise. The only similarities is the random weird factor with Chainsaw man being darker. Ever since people heard Tatsu was Fujimoto's assistant they started making comparisons that aren't even there. I hate these fake comparisons because it only makes fandom's fight or argue and I love both series.

[@soep19]

Mf be comparing two delicious ass cakes when you can literally eat them both. People be wilding these days

[@Brunoscaramuzzi]

My only "problem" with dandadan is the use o CGI. It looked very good for an anime point of view but they used it to save time in production instead of "it will look better in CGI". I would prefer it next season but all animated. But only that. The anime is peek.

[@funsnake4705]

I really wanted it to be all animated too. Based on the date you commented, you must be on episode 3. I also agree that the first episode, with the serpos, will be better being animated (shouldn’t be too much of a hassle to draw by hand). For episode 2, I personally don’t like the alien being CGI, it kills my immersion. If you have watched episode 4 (if not please skip), the piggy back ride scene I also hoped to be animated (I have no problem with serpo but this scene I REALLY wanted for it to be animated) 😔 For turbo granny + bound spirit chase. I think the CGI is warranted, since animating trains are insanely difficult, and thus in turn making drawing the yokais with the right perspective to match the 3D rendition of the train near impossible (it’s just very time consuming) I actually hoped Dandadan got the CSM budget lowkey 😅 Animated monsters probably go so hard

[@demospolsion6539]

The main difference is that in Chainsaw man Fujimoto leverages a more realistic style to create further contrast between the absurdity of everything going on and the seriousness of the underlying point. Just look at his character expressions. Yes, they are exaggerated, but only as much as they are required to be to communicate a point in a still image. The anime took the same approach in terms of cinematography, color, and character animation. (Note that Chainsaw does a lot to appear visually interesting without wacky colors through its use of lighting) Dandadan is just raw absurdist. The characters never stick on model and the designs are goofy. It is striving for contrast, so the anime logically ups the absurdity through methods such as color

[@FistOfKhonshu-m7v]

It's frustrating because you can't even really compare them. Chainsaw Man is a brutalist eldritch horror story with striking imagery and strange concepts that are meant to produce a certain feeling in the reader rather than be comprehensible. Dandadan is way more grounded and character focused, with less of Chainsaw Man's thought-provoking story, but with far more fleshed out characters and a more light-hearted tone. It's impossible to argue which story is better because they are completely different, and which story is more appealing depends entirely on the reader.

[@Aka-Spade]

I think that arguments are lame as heck, and I'm really glad I don't interact with the anime fandom online. Look, I can understand the nuances of a conversation about adaptation being interesting but social media arguments almost always go nowhere. Personally, DanDaDan appeals to me more as a series (after getting into the anime, I binged the manga and caught up in less than a day because I couldn't get enough of that wild ride of a series). That being said, I'm not one to trash on people for their tastes. Just because Chainsaw Man isn't really to my taste doesn't mean I can't appreciate what it does, you know?

[@Yourself1.0]

They are both peak. The DanDanDan anime seems way better than the CSM anime tho. The mangas are both PEAK

[@m3dcdaniel187]

Honestly I don’t give a shit which show is “better”. I wanna know which show is WEIRDER

[@YozakuraSensei]

@@m3dcdaniel187 definitely DDD then 😂

[@bulbasaurkindahawtngl2345]

Dandadan is sillier but Chainsaw Man’s plot is more insane if that makes sense.

[@erikwirfs-brock2432]

Dandadan is probably a more enjoyable anime to watch, but at it' core the series (up to what they've adapted in episode 8) so far is still pretty conventional, Chainsawman is way more unique.

[@defaulted9485]

It's like comparing a tree to its fruit, no?

[@YozakuraSensei]

@@defaulted9485 When it’s the shonen demographic, there’s a tendency to treat everything as a tree no matter how established a series may be from each other.

[@pensandoemalgo.5722]

I think that the anime of chainsaw man is a perfect adaptation, with the cinematic feel. But, who watch anime don't want that, they watch anime because they don't want that, they want something diferent. That's the reason why the chainsaw man anime doesn't attract the fan's eyes, neither those who aren't fans. And even for those who are cinema fans, I think the events in the work are too eccentric for them, so I feel like it pleases practically no one, besides the author himself, and people who like anime and cinema.

[@smcdonough1427]

10 minutes of saying absolutely nothing. Astoundingly pointless video

[@YozakuraSensei]

@@smcdonough1427 My video is to open a discussion, not to declare anything as I stated in the video that it’s been a sentiment that has once again come around and been in discussion. Thanks for watching

[@czms922]

Case in point people get mad when you criticize anything in the big 3.

[@hmm7238]

There's not really a debate, Fujimoto is the master and Yukinobu was his student, that's it

[@raphaelfelix4795]

Chainsawman and DanDaDan, are completly diferent, in manga and in anime. Chainsawman was launched in Weekly Shonnen Jump, so he has certain characteristics (in part 1) that's tie with where they was launched. Dandadan, is launched digitally, so this already makes a great difference. When bring these 2, to anime, the themes and history of Chainsawman, ties with the type of animation, direction they did it, you could like it or not, but works. Dandadan by his nature, dosen't will tie with Chsinsawman stylle, but the style they aproach is better to it not too dense history (that already show thst isn't just funny jokes and 2 teenagers going around). So, is possible to compare these 2 animes, but, isn't make sense because they are too different of each other

[@angax100]

People argue about the smallest things.

[@Oosjhteuikmm]

Yeah, but it's not the worst part. It's them foaming at the mouth, yapping like crazy and being outright insensible is the most annoying part. Most arguments are either of those

[@angax100]

@@Oosjhteuikmm Yep, I believe Twitter is a dump station overall

[@monkeytheloofy]

I love both of these series

[@mosdarko2252]

Theres already a few show that have similar style in animation, ( Jojos, Dandadan, Ranma remake ) so i'm kinda glad Chainsaw man stands out in that way, and the style ( if they don't change it) will make more sense down the line in the story

[@mosdarko2252]

I feel like people who complaint about CM animation are the ones that think that the manga was only good cause the memes

[@soep19]

​@@mosdarko2252you're correct. Future scenes like the Reze and Makima mouse scenes, or Aki having a snowball fight against Denji scenes won't hit as hard if it doesn't have the degree of realism that we currently have right now. Pochita must have eaten the devil of reading comprehension it seems.

[@DenjiPotter-l1b]

@@soep19 The devil of reading comprehension is attacking a lot of modern anime fans these days.

[@daltoniospizza9175]

Chainsaw man looks better imo, has more immersive movement, and doesn't rely on snapshot slideshow animation with barely any shading

[@rykage149]

What slideshow animation are you talking about for Dandadan? For the shading, it is a creative choice, and a good one for Dandadan.

[@daltoniospizza9175]

@@rykage149 A few moments where the serpoians are running, and okarun is transforming it does like a snapshot style animation instead of fluid movement

[@rykage149]

@@daltoniospizza9175 Why would the animation need to be fluid in a rape scene? For okarun transforming, it's more choppy to show a struggle to maintain control of the curse.

[@BananaHoardX]

All I think is that the average anime consumer these days are not cultured enough and have fast food brain not understanding fine cuisine anime. TL:DR : Plebians have polluted the hobby.

[@atramentouseyes4962]

it doesnt have to be dandandan vs chainsaw man dennis has 4 limbs

[@heseesyou582]

They changed the director of season 1 of chainsaw man?

[@Just-Amir]

bruh why is it always one vs the other y not both

[@knightofanguish7399]

Hell no. Let them cook dammit. I need content

[@The_Post-It-Note]

I prefer Dan Da Dan because it wasn’t (to my knowledge) made by a blood thirsty company that overworks and underpays their animators and still uses heavy 3D CG animation to cut corners I do know there is some 3D Animation in Dan Da Dan but a hell of a lot less

[@aamindehkordi]

jojo goat dandadan looking to be goat too

[@FlamencoTV]

not really sure where the "muted" colors critique people get their eyes examined, Chainsaw man has some of the more saturated colors for a modern anime

[@hariyantdm7295]

1:34 i dont remember this sequence??? Where is this from

[@YozakuraSensei]

This is from one of the many ED’s in the season, but off the top of my head I cannot recall which one

[@Someone-dg8qt]

​@@YozakuraSensei Ed 8 by TK

[@SlimekingYT]

Dandadan’s first episode has made me a huge fan and I’m gonna be getting the manga asap because of how good it is

[@0range_panda982]

... jojo?

[@DepressedGuy-zk5pw]

blue lock season 2...