The Great Debate: Keating vs. Iglesia ni Cristo

[@conikutch]

I watched that debate in YT…as always, INC is intense but Karl was surprisingly ready for the heat…. I thank his team and the people that sponsored them to come to the Philippines

[@JayAruga]

@@conikutch actually, sa US yung debate

[@dosun8509]

You're all a gift to us!

[@JayAruga]

Salamat po. Akala ko basher ka din. :-)

[@dosun8509]

@@JayAruga following you also on Spotify as well as Unboxing. Keep up & God bless...

[@Sheeshhhhhhhh]

INC members have this "Obey never Complain" mentality. Each member should submit fully to the church leader, questioning the leader is not tolerated. What ever the leader say is true. INC leaders control the minds and ways of life of each members. Shunning and shaming is done to those who left the church. There is this leadership dynasty in the church, all leaders coming from the same clan. We always pray for our leader, Mr. Eduardo Manalo before and after the lecture on worship services, and his name is mentioned multiple times during worship services. We also pray for his son, Angelo, the next-in-line as church main leader. INC emphasize too much on our leader Eduardo Manalo, and is in the level of the Apostle and Jesus, he is the most important person in the world for the INC. Everything from him is connected to God.

[@marivicterre247]

I was converted to INC from Catholic when i was 18. I found lots of faults on their teaching that can't be found in the bible . One of this is worshipping the images of saints. Honoring the saints instead of God.

[@crey3817]

I was at the debate Karl was speaking about. It was in a high school auditorium. I would say 98% of the audience was INC and spewed insults and jeers at Karl. Karl was told to only bring himself and a book and Jose would do the same. Jose had a support team behind him with lots of books. Karl gave a great argument but as I looked at the glazed-eyed audience, his words fell on deaf ears. I've followed debates with the INC for years and have come to the conclusion that they, as well as others are what 2 CORINTHIANS 4:4 speaks of: "The "god" of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God." I pray for them; include them in my rosaries while I pass their church.

[@ven6372]

2 Cor.4:4??? Friend, NOT only Jesus, all men are created in the image of God-Gen.1:27 Acts 2:22kjv - “Jesus of Nazareth, a MAN attested(certified) by God” U see that bro? God ATTESTED or certified Jesus is a man. Anyone, like Karl, who try to ABOLISH God’s DECREE is being utilized by Satan.

[@manilynaguilar8147]

Karl is very frustrated in his debete with Joe ventilacion may be some ctolic doctrine was false

[@XDiez.]

​@@ven6372Bro, how about John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:14: And the Word became FLESH (or became human) and lived among us, and we have seen his glory as of a father's only son, full of grace and truth. Jesus is 100% man, 100% God, 100% amazing 😁 GoodDay.

[@ven6372]

@@XDiez. “Word was GOD” is an adjective. Example:”Time is GOLD” or “Heart of GOLD”-adjective, not literal GOLD. WHY was the Word called God? Because “no word from God shall be void of POWER.”- Luke 1:37asv Jesus is the FULFILLMENT of the Word when it became flesh-John 1:14 NO VERSE to support 100%man / 100%God Hosea 11:9-God is “NOT A MAN”

[@XDiez.]

@@ven6372 "Adjective"? I think you mean "metaphor" ? Do you believe in the Holy Trinity, One God ?

[@vondoromal7016]

Blessed are the ones who believe but does not see!

[@SeminarChauffeur]

I'm an atheist but I am always all ears for any stories of that cursed cult getting roasted.

[@ronaldbilaoen8490]

keating was roasted during that debate, He wasn’t expecting His teaching was debunked. now just finding excuses

[@evelitaolegario3922]

Just subscribed yesterday. I’m glad you’re able to have Karl Keating as guest. I

[@JayAruga]

Thanks. Please support the podcast as well in Spotify. I appreciate it.

[@RizalinoArrabis-h5z]

Debates are good sources of information if one is looking for the truth, the gospel as written in the Holy Book and known also as the Bible! My father while studying in college listened many times to these debates and later joined the Iglesia ni Cristo which also resulted to the conversion of my grandfather, grandmother, my uncles, and aunts into the true fold! Now in my hometown, there exist 8 concrete and beautiful chapels but before the worship services were done at my grandfather's old house!!!

[@yancy3987]

Kodus to our apologist keating..

[@hotjoeylipa5193]

now, u talk but during the debate karl keating is at a loss how to defend devil's doctrines forbidding priests to marry, and allow eating blood wc are RCC doctrines.

[@ChamchamCordero]

They can't accept that their false teachings was defeated. Move on fellas. Feel sorry for you, sigh 😞

[@brgy-tanod7884]

INC 1914 founder Felix y Manalo

[@truthhurtsalways4u]

Catholic church founded by Jesus Christ since 33 AD ,Matthew 16:18.more than 2k yrs old and counting!

[@UnforeseenTruth]

Felix is not the founder; Christ is the founder of His church. Bro. Felix was merely Gods messenger.

[@truthhurtsalways4u]

@@UnforeseenTruth you dont know what you are talking about .read ,read ,read Christian history and dig deeper!

[@truthhurtsalways4u]

@@UnforeseenTruth read,read,read Christian history and dig deeper!you dont know what you are talking about!

[@LP-ti9tc]

@@truthhurtsalways4u Hmmm obviously you did not read Unforeseen's Bio on KZbin. Don't you recognize his Icon? Unforeseen can school you on the history of Christianity. You just made a HUGE mistake. LOL. He's a Greek and Hebrew Scholar as well among other languages too. Apparently he educates in Cambridge on the historical events of Christianity. Oh boy, you opened up a can of worms on this one. LOL. So obviously he does know what his talking about. I'm not a member of INC but I thought they said Christ was the founder and that Manalo dude according to their claims is labeled as a messenger whether that is true or not. Can you provide any evidence of them claiming his the founder of their church? And I'm not talking about any government registration because that's standard in all religions to establish a legal presence to operate. So any actual article published by the INC would be helpful to prove your claim that Unforeseen does not know what his talking about. Thanks.

[@ven6372]

Former catholic here, converted to INC. It’s the prayer of Lord Jesus that we may know the Father as the only true God-John 17:3; and the Father, the only true God said in Isaiah 44:8kjv-“Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not ANY.” U see that friends? Father, the only true God doesn’t know “ANY” other God. It’s NOT POSSIBLE that Catholic know something that God doesn’t know.

[@motochabz8578]

Bro if you will read the Book of Revelation you can read that Christ is the one who is speaking as God but it doesn't mean that there are 2 God. Revelation 22: 12-13 tell me who says he is the Alpha and the Omega, The Beginning and the End. Also God says that word in Old Testament right? If Christ says that he is the Alpha and the Omega it means that he is trully a God. We cannot deny it. Christ never says that he is only a human being and we Catholic will never be against that he is a Human but for us Catholic he is true God and true Human. Not only human.

[@ven6372]

@@motochabz8578 Hosea 11:9-God is not a man; AND a man can not be a God-Ezekiel 28:2

[@motochabz8578]

@@ven6372 you're still in O.T bro. What happened in N.T? John 1:14 lol

[@ven6372]

@@motochabz8578 “word became flesh”, NOT God became flesh.

[@motochabz8578]

@@ven6372 who is the word that became flesh?

[@caritamundo9316]

How about a very recent issue where a Catholic priest will join the INC?

[@JayAruga]

I pray that he reconsiders. Sana may magforward sa kanya ng Unboxing Catholicism o The Jay Aruga Show episodes.

[@caritamundo9316]

@@JayAruga or you can interview him

[@JayAruga]

@@caritamundo9316 I sent him a message. Let's see where it goes.

[@evelitaolegario3922]

Hahaha.. show the proof that these are Catholic priests.

[@ricardodeguzman8287]

The priest already retracted ..it seems the Holy spirit and the power of prayer by the Catholic faithful kept him from leaving the Holy Mother Church

[@metakaka]

Damaso is with you

[@johnangelino437]

Wow, Karl Keating!

[@JayAruga]

Salamat sa suporta. Subscribe ka din po sa podcast.

[@johnangelino437]

@@JayAruga Sure po, i also do Apologetics, but I rest due to academic reasons, happy to have seen your channel. Sure thing, i'll subscribe po! Hahanapin ko.

[@johnangelino437]

I found the podcast sa Spotify na. Thanks! And may our Lord and our Lady continue to bless your works!

[@JayAruga]

@@johnangelino437 God bless you, sir.

[@JayAruga]

@@johnangelino437 ipagpatuloy mo ang apologetics. :-)

[@randy-U.I.O.G.D.]

Praise God!!!

[@JayAruga]

Thanks sir. Please listen to the podcast on Spotify or Apple as well.

[@randy-U.I.O.G.D.]

@@JayAruga sir I'll pray for your channel and bro Bernz na si TRENT HORN ang next na ma-interview nyo. ❤❤❤🙏🙏🙏

[@JayAruga]

@@randy-U.I.O.G.D. salamat. I already interviewed Trent Horn pero about SOGIE topic. Hope you can listen to it. open.spotify.com/episode/30vlraprDmq5YeLCQSwHQA?si=tn6NpSi_RJCNjhgtiUW8oA

[@JayAruga]

@@randy-U.I.O.G.D. kzbin.info/www/bejne/a6Gti4Vvp8mgmbc

[@ronnieaustria6737]

NAPANOOD KO ANG DEBATE...kita kung papaano nadurog ng INC si KEATING...

[@ErnestoLaranang-bq1zj]

Hindi man tanto na debater panoorin mo yong grand debate nina moneystro ramil parba at Fr. Giygano kung paano nadurog si parba moong nabulgar yong pasugo niyo panoorin para malamsn mo

[@ErnestoLaranang-bq1zj]

Tignan sinabi pa ni keating na si manalo ang winoworship niyo paulitulit

[@parasoul26]

Yes, INC truly disturbing. I've seen that debate a while ago. Karl was unnerved and he was there, I was watching through a screen and I probably was more unnerved. To see and hear them say all those things and behave that way, it was frightening, it was like if Manalo told them to jump off a cliff, they'd do it in a heartbeat. They are not capable of logic and when you go against what they've accepted as "truth", they react in a way how members of cults would. Just writing this makes me nervous, they don't like being exposed like this.

[@JayAruga]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the debate, sir. Sana ay maka-subscribe ka sa podcast for the full interview.

[@justsomeguywithmustachio5369]

Source be like: trust me bro

[@justsomeguywithmustachio5369]

@parasoul26 Get your facts right not just hearsay Is Iglesia Ni Cristo a Cult? kzbin.info/www/bejne/rXS3qXmVZ7CBfNk Definition of a Cult? kzbin.info/www/bejne/iniVe5iml5l6obs

[@corneliamorales2984]

Just open ur heart n listen

[@franciscoestrael8899]

My advice to you is listen to our doctrines.then give your comments.. to make it Fair to us.

[@francisjohn2263]

I've found a clip of y0ur debate and i can say you were actually out of composure and grilled because you cant answer the questions. Karl keating lost it

[@JoseEsguerra-q3o]

Ventilacion does not address the issue or topic and just talk lengthily before addressing the issue..Also,ink members are very noisy during debates…

[@intr_vert]

Proud INC here❤️

[@bertongamos]

I.n.c cool to

[@mazedits4753]

Yes they hated Jesus and persecuted him also. So I’m not surprised with these haters.

[@MDT-ir4tf]

Napanood ko yung debate, talo talaga si Mr. Keating. At di na kasalanan ng INC kung mas maraming miyembro nila ang dumalo sa debateng iyon na kung tutuusin mas maraming miyembro ang mga katoliko, bakit di sila nagsipagdalo? Dapat kung debatista ka lagi kang handa anomang sitwasyon ang aabutan mo.

[@Sam-cf3he]

Napatunayan nya ba n sinugo si Manalo?

[@josephmarcial10]

yung maraming sinasabi mo na INC member for sure don more/less 80% are converted from CC

[@suiken3149]

@@josephmarcial10 And im pretty sure they are only less of portion of total Catholics in the Philippines. It should not be used as an excuse since there are still plenty of Catholics despite the converts

[@josephmarcial10]

@@suiken3149 not an excuse though we know that catholics is more on percentage in the Phil. but it doenst mean the CC is in the truth

[@Lance-vo1mf]

Loosing the debate And painting the Church of Christ as a bunch of thugs and ignoramus..A very lame excuse. You loose and failed miserably to prove your own faith.

[@magnificoincognito5343]

Karl cannot move on😮😮😮😢😢😢😅😅😅

[@pogi969]

From the time of the debate, thousands left the Catholic Church, what did you do Mr. Karl Keating to stop the exodus of your members to the Iglesia Ni Cristo? Secondly, why is it Karl Keating never pursued to hold s debate against Bro. Joe Ventilacion on the true Nature of Christ when he was repeatedly challenged to do a debate on that topic? Does it mean that his cowardice proves that he lost in that debate and he is simply using this program to show his sour grapes?

[@johnmarometer697]

IGLESIA NI CRISTO ang FOUNDER o ULO walay lain kundi si FELIX MANALO YSAGUN ug dili si KRISTO gamita palihog ng gamay nga utok

[@pogi969]

@@johnmarometer697 IKAW NA GANI NAGSULTI NGA IGLESIA NI CRISTO. KLARO KAAYO IMONG GISULTI NGA "NI CRISTO". SI CRISTO ANG ULO. MAMAKAK PA JUD KA NGA SI KA FELIX MANALO ANG ULO.

[@johnmarometer697]

@@pogi969 tinood gisulat naku IGLESIA NI KRISTO pero kadtong ORIGINAL tua sa ROMA dili ang PEKE gitukod ni FELIX MANALO YSAGUN diri sa PILIPINAS giingnan ka naku gamita ang gamay nga UTOK pastilan looya

[@johnmarometer697]

@@pogi969 kinsang kristo inyong ULO kadtong tua sa sabungan nga tawo pagkalooy

[@johnmarometer697]

@@pogi969 ayaw lage pamakak gamita ng gamay nga UTOK

[@ninjacool69]

Nganga ka nga nun debate eh hahaha

[@akotayo9056]

Do not worship idols

[@n4tsu493]

1 Corinto 8:4 pakibasa po

[@RicardoRamos-oo3pc]

@@n4tsu493 Ano naman Ang pagkaunawa sa nakasulat sa 1 Corinto 8:4 ???

[@RicardoRamos-oo3pc]

The image of Christ is an idol????

[@n4tsu493]

@@RicardoRamos-oo3pc Basahin mo po kasi bago ka magtanong ?

[@RicardoRamos-oo3pc]

@@n4tsu493 Dapat Bago ka maglatag na talata Mayroon kang unawa

[@magnificoincognito5343]

Losser😢😅😅😅😅karl

[@Probablynut]

Joe ventalacion avoiding his questions what a freaking coward

[@aljefian]

talo tlaga ang.CFD sa debate nla ni ka.joe ventilacion

[@motochabz8578]

Bro muka lang kayong panalo dahil sa audience impact pero sa content ng arguments wala😹

[@motochabz8578]

Panalo pala yung nagsasabing MALI SI TOMAS😹

[@Caymanvavoom]

@@motochabz8578pahiya ang katoliko. Yun lang masasabi ko. Kontradisyon ang mga aral. 😂

[@motochabz8578]

@@Caymanvavoom Pahiya HAHAHA tas yan lang masasabi mo? Mga debaters nga hindi alam pano naging debater yang ventilacion nyong THEOLOGIAN daw😹

[@motochabz8578]

@@Caymanvavoom Latagan mo kami dito na pahiya kami HAHA baka ikaw latagan ko gamit mismo ang PASUGO nyo😹

[@UnforeseenTruth]

Mr. Keating dismisses or has a very weak understanding of the word “apostasy” or his interpretation of it is very flawed. His understanding of Christ’s words that “I will be with you always,” is also flawed. The question is, who was Christ addressing at the time when He spoke those words? Was Christ addressing the world or His disciples? It was His disciples! Also the words of Christ did not prevail; Christianity continued and the words of God spread throughout the whole world but just no longer as the true gospel of Christ but the knowledge of Christ continued, this is why Christ's words did not prevail. This is the reason Christ foretold of His other sheep that will emerge in the FUTURE were not part the first Century Church of Christ, and in turn will restore the pristine teachings of the gospel. This is where Mr. Keating lacks in his biblical understanding of the scriptures. So the words of Christ in fact never ceased to exist. Mr. Keating’s whole premise that Christ would be a liar if the true gospel of Christ apostatized is completely flawed in his understanding. Then he inserts that Christ is God just further demonstrates his 1gn0ranՇe as to who the biblical true God is. One of the things Mr. Keating has failed to realize or is just being ign0ranǂ of, is the fact that the Holy Scriptures uses the actual word “Apostasy.” Which he conveniently does not mention or simply ignores. Which means: “An act of refusing to continue to follow, obey, or recognize a religious faith and abandonment of a previous loyalty; defection turning away or disappearing.” This is in complete harmony with the warnings of Christ and the Apostles that this would take place within the first century Church of Christ all throughout scripture. History dictates that first Church of Christ slowly became the Catholic Church that adopted corrupted man made teachings even the Catholic Authorities have admitted to this. So yes there was continuity but a continuity of apostasy. Even the Pope himself with his public announcement and apology to the world regarding the corruption, atrocities and ki11ings confirms this historical truth and events. Mr. Keating lost the debate back then and no matter what he says now won’t change the truth or that outcome. His statement or insinuation that Bro. Felix Manalo made up his own doctrines also heavily demonstrates his lack and knowledge of biblical scripture. There is not single doctrine of the INC that is not biblically based. Obviously Mr. Keating even till this present day has not done his homework. Unbelievable.

[@MDT-ir4tf]

Paano po ako makakapasok sa INC?

[@suiken3149]

@@MDT-ir4tf Pumunta ka lang sa mga pinakamalapit ng kapilya at magpadoktrina sa mga ministro

[@ven6372]

Acts 2:22-“Jesus is a MAN attested(certified) by God” U see that friends? God ATTESTED or certified Jesus is a man. Any church, like RCC, that try to ABOLISH God’s DECREE is being utilized by Satan. Let’s all join INC

[@motochabz8578]

Lol why dont you read Revelation 22: 12-13 and tell me if Christ is not a God.

[@ven6372]

@@motochabz8578 doesn’t say Jesus is God bro. Jesus himself said: I’m a “MAN” telling you the truth-John 8:40

[@motochabz8578]

@@ven6372 you dont understand the alpha and the omega.

[@ven6372]

@@motochabz8578 alpha and omega can be use in many ways. One of them is NOT “Jesus is God” *if u r the only child of your parents, u r alpha and omega *first and last letter of any alphabet is alpha and omega *first and last person in line can be alpha and omega Don’t believe any preachers bro, MAKE SURE they have the TESTIMONY of God about them-Isaiah 8:20kjv; otherwise they have NO LIGHT-Isaiah 8:20kjv TESTIMONY is the “spirit of prophecy”-Rev.19:10kjv INC have the TESTIMONY of God -Isaiah 46:11 FULL EXPLANATION, KZbin: “Felix y Manalo in Isaiah 46:11”

[@motochabz8578]

@@ven6372 lol hahaha what an example😹 you're just making an excuse. Dont be blind man its very clear that Christ is a God. Your statement is like the Alpha and the Omega (God) in old testament is different in Alpha and Omega in the New Testament😹 nah brooo your religion is full of lies and deception.

[@Stogsdill8]

I watched that full debate. I have to say when it came down to Biblical text. What Keating was preaching did not align with the Bible. It actaully contridict teachings in the Bible. Most especially when he tried to change the subject of the debate from the True Church to Jesus is God topic. His Jesus is God belief contradicts with many teaching and versus in the Bible. Keating also mention INC doest have any historical connection to the 1st century Church not like how the Catholic Church claims they have. INC doesn't deny the Catholic Church has that connection. But the connection coinsides with verses in the Bible of the Apostasy that happened to Christ Church in the first century. The Catholic Church are what the Bible described as Wolves in Sheep's clothing. They are the oldest Church today that goes back to the original Church cause after the Church was pretty much killed off meaning the apostle were killed then emerged the Roman Catholic Church teaching doctrines of devils leading millions away from the true gospel of Christ. Doctrines like forbidding to marry and sustaining from meats as a religious practice. 1 Timothy 4 in the (Douay-Rheims Bible) which is a Catholic translated Bible 1Now the Spirit manifestly saith, that in the last times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to spirits of error, and doctrines of devils, 2Speaking lies in hypocrisy, and having their conscience seared, 3Forbidding to marry, to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving by the faithful, and by them that have known the truth. The Catholic Church is pretty much violating this doctrine and teaching it everyone after the apostacy took place. They also teaching doctrines that contradict God's teachings like believing there are 3 Gods in 1 when there is only 1 God and 1 Mediator which is Jesus a man sent by God. Also they adopted many doctrines of devils cause it was apart of there strategy to convert pagans into the Church so they adopted pagan rituals like Hollowen Chrismas Easter which are not Biblical and are doctrines of demons. All of this im saying is just historical facts. The Bible mentions pagan rituals as demonic. Till today the Catholic Church and many other Churches that have all started from that false religion into there own still adopted those doctrines of demons. When Keating mention not even the gates of Hades will overcome the Church or destroy the Church I'm sorry but the apostasy is talking about on this earth and it isn't final. That verse is still in effect the gates of hades will not prevail the Church cause God sent his last messenger that coinsides with Biblical Prophecy. So all those years when the Church of Christ was not reestablished yet the apostasy was done and any Church that came to be after it like the Catholic Church and many others are sad to say the fulfillment of thr Woves in Sheep's clothing and are false Prophets. Because they are not the fulfillment of the Prophecy written in the Bible of the re-emergence of the 3rd group of believers from a far off country's from the islands of the sea through the last Messenger of God Felix Y Manlo. That connects Christ Church today to the the 1st century Church of Christ. Catholics don't have that Prophecy. They only have there historical connection which unfortunately connects with Bible verses of the falling out of the Church or Apostasy cause most believers started believing in Catholoc doctrines which practice doctrines of demons. They say Apostle Peter was there first Pope and that Christ built his Church on top of Peter but that's just not Biblical and Contridicts other verses in the Bible explaining That Jesus is the only rock or stone that Church is built on.