The Great Tudor Plot To Seize The Crown | War Of The Roses | Real Royalty

For almost three decades, Margaret Beaufort took control of her destiny to protect herself and her son from the anarchy that consumed England. She arranged smart marriages, swapped sides, and did whatever it took to remain safe and put her son, Henry VII, on the throne.
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[@jenmichele4759]

I KNEW it was coming, but that man hitting the floor saying Gotcha boy, scared the shit out of me!

[@candicehoneycutt4318]

Alma Wells Do you know how many people have to die before Archie could become king?

[@AlmaWells]

@@candicehoneycutt4318 - Zero. Rule of law : Mentally retarded human-beings... are not capable of " thinking for themselves. " therefore, Archie is NOT qualified to be king because Archie is... " mentally challenged. " ( just like his dad ! )

[@lexicook7967]

Alma Wells wow so you’re ignorant racist and ableist? a triple threat

[@Sadresolve]

Alma Wells um- honey what.

[@candicehoneycutt4318]

Alma Wells w h a t

[@angelitabecerra]

Margaret of Beaufort is one of the most amazing women in British history and yet most don't talk about her. Not to mention her being the mother of King Henry the VII. I appreciate this deeper dive into the woman who threaded her way through the tapestry of this turbulent time. *Edited for typos I just became aware of.*

[@andreamiller1285]

She one of my favorites I wrote a report on Her in the 5th grade. She's a true role model

[@GRIMSBONIAN13]

There were a few Plantagenant women that we hear not much about.

[@leanie9660]

Everyone whines about her sex being a detriment to her...had she been male (and not an "insignificant female"), she would have been executed when she was much younger.

[@actionjackson3522]

@@GRIMSBONIAN13 Agreed, my favorite is Isabella.

[@GRIMSBONIAN13]

@@actionjackson3522 Joan the fair maid of Kent

[@mangot589]

It amazes me, that considering how many times she switched sides, that she managed to keep her HEAD, much less get her son on the throne. And her family being specifically being disbarred from even ever a claim to the throne!

[@gerryboutet7041]

This is a character assassination of a good king Richard lll. Edward lV was illegitimate. He bore no resemblance to his father Richard, Duke of York or his two brothers, Richard and George, Duke of Clarence. He was born 11 months after the last time his father had been to be in his mother’s company. It is believed that his mother had an affair with a common English bowman and Edward lV was born of that union. In addition, Edward lV marriage to the mother of his children was considered to be adulteress as Edward was betrothed ( which carried the same status under Church Canon Law ) to another woman so his sons Edward and Richard were considered illegitimate. Richard lll did not usurp his nephews, he was the legitimate king and he had no reason to have his young nephews killed. With a very poor claim to the throne by descent, it was only the proposed marriage to Yorkist former king’s daughter Elizabeth of York. After Richard lll murdered during the Battle of Bosworth Hill , the only two princes were a barrier to Henry Vlll accession to the English throne. A case could be made that it was in the interest of Henry Vll to secretly murder the princes and with commissioned authors like More and later Shakespeare lay the blame on the dead Richard lll.

[@kkandsims4612]

Right she’s the little finger of real life to to honest

[@mangot589]

@LiveLifeWithFaith I seriously doubt it. I mean, anything is possible, but naw. I don’t believe so.

[@mangot589]

@@gerryboutet7041 Well, the princes disappeared before the battle at Bosworth. But I guess we’ll never know. Edward being illegitimate?😒. He looked like a typical Plantagenet. I will say, he has been demonized, amid who knows what would have happened if the Woodvilles hadn’t made a power grab, and just allowed him to be protector/regent during the princes minority, like Edward wanted.🤷‍♀️

[@sbam4881]

@@mangot589 Exactly. It was pretty clear that when Edward died, the Woodvilles intended to grab all power with the Queen Mother and her brother, Earl Rivers (installed as Lord Protector in Richard's stead) calling all the shots behind a puppet king. It'd pretty much be a Woodville dynasty at this point in all but name. From Richard's perspective, it would have been out of the question for the Yorkist (and Lancastrians) to have shed so much blood, toil, tears and sweat only for the Woodvilles to slither in and make the land theirs. Anthony Woodville was already marching to London with 2,000 men with the Prince in "protective custody" when Richard decided to act and intercept them. If I were Richard, I'd have made the same choice.

[@MrCookie999]

When it's past even medieval standards you know somethings wrong.

[@kkandsims4612]

Right no 13 year old should be having a baby nope no also I can’t imagine she was getting the right care so she probably was small skinny it probably gave her ptsd like I bet she could have had a other child but was like fuck that also that actually probably means she got pregnant at 12 cuz u carry 9 months I guess it’s she could have been 13 when she got pregnant and gave birth but it would have to have been at the first of the year also who the fuck is marrying a 12 year old fucking child and putting a baby in her even in that time u gotta admit people probably where like nah bro she’s to young .

[@TheVioletMagic29]

@@kkandsims4612 she was married at 12 to a 24 yr old. Medieval society usually waited until 14 to consummate a marriage

[@shamaliwije4872]

@@kkandsims4612 Not just PTSD, she was internally damaged from the difficult birth. Usually they wait a bit til consummating the marriage, but the husband probably wanted to make the marriage more cemented in a legal sense, since she was a great heiress, and actually had a direct claim to the throne as well.

[@brim89]

KK and sims 4 she had a head delivery that caused some much damage to her reproductive system.

[@Visplight]

To paraphrase Warren Ellis' comic about this time period, they weren't stupid. They had the same intelligence as you - just not the same cumulative knowledge you do. So with the "not stupid" bit, they'd figured out that young mothers often died in childbirth and were like "huh, maybe we don't do that." You can see this in Romeo and Juliet when Juliet's father refuses to let her marry Paris because she's barely 14, and mothers at 14 are "too soon marred," so they have to wait until she's at least 16.

[@ariellann4555]

She's the epitome of what it means to be a survivor.

[@rubynibs]

No, she's the epitome of a social climber. If this account has stayed true to facts, Margaret Beaufort may have been a psychopath.

[@thinking7667]

@@rubynibs really? so what should she have done differently to not be a 'social climber' as you call it?

[@CaptainPikeachu]

Ruby Nibs none of that makes her any less of a survivor, did it ever occur to you that she “social climbed” so that she could survive? That she lived in a society where she had to do that if she wanted to live and have any sort of a life?

[@rubynibs]

@@CaptainPikeachu Margaret Beaufort would have survived very well, without risking her son's life, had she not been a social climber. Her life would have been wonderful, without the risks. She would have lived far above what most people even dreamed of, but she wanted more. She was not simply ambitious; Margaret was greedy, and willing to risk the life of her only son, to get what she wanted. But reality never occurs to you, does it, dear?

[@ariellann4555]

@@rubynibs Are you basing your opinion off the fictional White Queen/White Princess shows? Henry Tudor never would have been safe as the sole heir to the Lancaster throne. Not with the York's in power. They killed Mad King Henry in his jail cell and he was basically an imbecile at that point. There was more than one point where Henry was in the country and Margaret had to tell him to flee from Wales to abroad to save his life.

[@overWellmed]

Henry VII: age 28 becomes King of England Me: age 29 only good for resharing memes on the internet

[@lyndsieannette957]

🤣🤣🤣

[@paneenoipochana2631]

Battle of Bosworth dead : 1000 You at 29: 0 people died for your ascension. Just thinking...

[@jeffjeffries3469]

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[@LadyCC260]

Lol keep living

[@overWellmed]

@@jeffjeffries3469 what does this have to do with me sharing memes?

[@parkviewmo]

This why I love Dan Jones; he finds a fresh point of view to present history in a coherent, personal story. The enactments in this documentary are good, too. The rosary goes back and forth, silently clarifying the connection between mother and son. This is very skillfully done, and now I may be able to remember all those throne changes throughout the War of Roses!

[@beenaplumber8379]

I thought the rosary was a nice touch too, but I don't think this was a fresh POV in any way. A fresh POV might have challenged the notion that Richard III was nothing more than an evil, power-hungry tyrant who would kill his brother's children to take the throne when the contemporary evidence suggests otherwise.

[@girl1213]

At just 13, I'm glad even though the pregnancy and labor traumatize her into never wanting to go through that again, she never took it out on Henry, and Jasper Tudor and Stafford (Stanley had three children of his own) loved and respected her enough to not pressure her to have more children since that was common for the time. Margaret was well-loved and that in turn helped her love her son.

[@TheKingmanthe1]

Everything was orchestrated by the Uncle she had zero say in anything…. None of the choices she ever made were her own. The show is trying to tiptoe by empowering a 13-year-old who has no idea what is going on besides being a pawn…

[@musicallydisneyamvs6731]

As the saying goes: “Behind every great man, is a great women.” Or something along those lines.

[@JenniferM13]

And behind her is his wife.

[@milk_chocolxte]

“I wouldn’t know. I never stood behind a man before.”

[@jokulardwemmer8673]

@@milk_chocolxte period

[@sharonisaac445]

ABSOLUTELY.!

[@eunicestone838]

Lol. Woman.

[@reythejediladyviajakku6078]

Is it me or did everyone important have a bad uncle back then?

[@missdollycollector9687]

Hamlet was an ispiration based on real life bad uncles

[@BigMamaDaveX]

SCAR: I'm surrounded by idiots! 😹

[@helloiamem]

Well I suppose it would make sense that the uncle would be the most likely to be bitter about being skipped over for the crown just for being the younger sibling.

[@daniellemusella1594]

@@BigMamaDaveX "Precisely!"

[@ImNotaRussianBot]

We all have one sketchy uncle.

[@jessiewhitman8688]

This poor lady's world gets turned upside down so much its amazing she knew what end was up, let alone pull off everything she did. She is the definition of a survivor. What she did took massive guts. Not only did she protect her self she protected her son.. AMAZING. She needs more recognition.

[@oliebol3821]

To be buried in the chapel at Windsor Castle is an epitome in itself.

[@JAI_8]

They’re still all just a bunch of scheming self-serving aristocrats. We identify with them only because they’re the only stories that have been recorded. But most of us here on KZbin should, rather, identify with the hard toiling and largely wealth-less tenant farmers whose “fortunes”, while more stable, are, essentially nonexistent. Those nameless, story-less people are us; not all of these kings, queens, nobles, and aristocrats and their incessant, duplicitous scheming whose success or failure inevitably hinge on either sex, or, more often, violence.

[@MissMarie1377]

She IS recognized. Just because YOU hadn’t heard of her doesn’t mean she isn’t a prominent historical figure.

[@aprilnelson9044]

You're absolutely right, she sure does. Hard for the men who wrote history to paint her as a harlot or a madwoman, so they simply left her out, banishing her to the fringes of Tudor history until now.

[@tonamg53]

Pretty sure every tourists at Windsor castle recognised her elaborate tomb inside the chapel…

[@mikotagayuna8494]

Some things never change. When you receive a letter from "HR", you know someone's gonna be in trouble.

[@amazinggrace5692]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@OzarkSoaper]

Henry Richmond is how it was signed, they did not stick to facts. But wanted drama.

[@jonaboktr5269]

Peighton's Place Soap it’s actually Henry Rex, which means Henry King

[@SamanthaReader]

She got pregnant at 12 .. let that sink in .. he was 24 and was supposed to wait till she was older and didn’t .. so sad .. she could have probably given birth if he didn’t rush her ..

[@o5640]

@@SamanthaReader he felt he might die and his feeling was right,wanted to leave an heir

[@nemumami]

Imagine wanting your ancestral lands back but instead you get the crown. Big bruh moment

[@bee2022]

I mean why not upgrade if given the chance? If some offers you a chance to sit in first class, you don't throw it away now do you? But either way he does get his ancestral lands back, just with some extra.

[@Orphen42O]

@@bee2022 Edward IV offered to give Henry Tudor his land back and the hand of one of his daughters in marriage. Henry Tudor did not accept because he thought it was a trap to get him back to England where he would be imprisoned or murdered.

[@atadoff62]

This was the real Game of Thrones.

[@gigglesMcdougal]

Aye its what insprired it. The war of roses and them.. All of them

[@mjsuniverse3722]

I couldn't agree more.

[@tsarina24honolulu87]

I couldn't get into game of thrones.

[@gigglesMcdougal]

@@tsarina24honolulu87 sometimes shows arent for everyone. Maybe you will like catherine the great in HBO or last tzars in netflix

[@jacobdjjsjj2418]

I Rebuke in the name if Jesus Christ

[@trev130eng1]

Surprised nobody has recommended’The White Queen’, a period drama that covers this part of history in great detail. Well worth watching.

[@emmaaaron6490]

Top 10 best shows!!

[@cieraseastar6071]

Agreed

[@brendakipkemoi2738]

True, watched it

[@BeckyfromBama438]

Where can it be seen?

[@emmaaaron6490]

@@BeckyfromBama438 Amazon Video

[@tarawrr20]

Margaret was extremely pious and I am disappointed that that wasn’t even touched on in this documentary. She was an extremely devout Catholic and when you think of all she did to get her son on the throne, her grandson throws down the religion she was so devoted to in England! How ironic!

[@sking0707]

Yes very ironic! I always chuckle to myself when I think about that.

[@vcp365]

sking0707 Yep. 🤷🏾‍♀️ 🤦🏾‍♀️ ironic is an understatement!

[@boondocks8002]

Amen! Whether a person is a believer or not, one's faith has to do with everything they are, and every decision they make. Good call.

[@stephaniesimpson1150]

Henry the 8th was spoiled rotten by his mother and never expected to be king...A second son...A big source of the problem later on..

[@direfranchement]

Considering all respectable English women in the Middle Ages were at least superficially pious, it really isn't particularly relevant.

[@peadar-o]

To understand Margaret properly, you need to read up on her equally pragmatic mother, who married strategically several times as well. Like Margaret, her mother (Margaret Beauchamp of Bletso) was widowed several times and needed to remarry to keep herself with a roof over her head and maintain her many children’s inheritances.

[@Moonflower_Lasa]

She chose Margarets first 2 husbands and made Margaret rich...

[@peadar-o]

Cynthia Hughes Margaret was already rich as she was her father’s sole heir(ess). She needed the husbands to birth Lancaster sons, and as a woman she couldn’t control her own property in that era, her husbands had to do it for her, as was the law. The first husband was Lancaster aligned and through his mother had French royal blood, and the second was a well-connected (Lancastrian aligned), but poor nobleman, so having his family on her (and the House of Lancaster) side made political sense and kept her land revenues prospering. The third husband was a skilled politician whose family always won no matter who sat on the throne because they always had family members in each camp, ensuring the Stanley family always was prospering and near the epicentre of power.

[@andrealuisecandido1154]

FacT is GreaT BriTain has like France iTaLy GreaT HisTory i like HisTory

[@JohnDoe-et8th]

And don't forget her great-grandmother, Katherine Swynford, a rank commoner who managed to become mistress and unbelievably third wife of the son of Edward III (John of Gaunt)--and the fact that they managed to get their children legitimized, later to become multiply ancestors of royal lines. Katherine was probably good at those politics (cf. the novel by Anya Seton).

[@peadar-o]

@@JohnDoe-et8th I think that was politically motivated. Semi royal children could be married off to nobles as a way of keeping them tied to the royal family or monarch, as in those days magnates with vast land holdings had private armies, and those were better to have aligned with the monarch than to be against them. Louis XIV of France did something similar with his own illegitimate children, and so too did Charles V of Habsburg, Holy Roman Emperor, marrying off his illegitimate daughter Margaret to the son of a pope and the grandson of a pope respectively.

[@sammyt3514]

This series is completely addictive; the production and, especially, the acting are simply brilliant. Really happy that I stumbled upon this channel!

[@samueloduro813]

What’s the title

[@dragonclaws9367]

Moral of this story: Don't take people's stuff. People with nothing are dangerous.

[@nenisguevaragomez8122]

Amen

[@PetroicaRodinogaster264]

dragonclaws true. The have nothing to lose. Always a good motivation to be ruthless.

[@cherylthommo1]

Dangerous enough to kill anything that gets in their way, mainly Yorkist blood.

[@thatahamoment497]

I wish world leaders of today realised this... History is a great teacher... If you're willing to learn

[@cookiesspirit2329]

dragonclaws And they still are.

[@Ashley-vs8nu]

Jesus 13?! Her body's anatomy wouldn't even have been physically ready to birth that child. She is incredibly lucky to have lived given the time period.

[@msbrowngault]

Ikr!!!! Zero hygienic products, no antibiotics (of course)... just pain & prayer

[@Zeruel3]

Even today it's quite risky to have a kid at that age, it's a miracle Henry VII survived to grow up healthy too

[@kristofantal8801]

@@msbrowngault "Zero hygienic products" Which is not entirely true because soap existed and was used. There were separate soap-making guilds. There were also herbs. And water... Obviously it wasn’t like in the modern age, but for what they could do, they did. It is true that life was more difficult at the time, and many died of diseases and infections, but there is no need to go overboard. These were basically typical even in the mid-19th century. And modern antibiotics are only available from the middle of the 20th century.

[@cambs0181]

They had families early back then. May not live past 40.

[@hez5160]

I believe that her marriage contract stated that her husband (24 at the time of their marriage) was to wait to consummate their marriage until she was older. He didn't and she became pregnant at 12.

[@johnlewis3891]

Henry Tudor was not a minor noble, rank outsider, a rural nobody, nor did he come out of nowhere. Henry Tudor was the Earl of Richmond, a title he inherited from his dad. Earl is the third-highest rank in the English nobility, under that of dukes and marquis. Earldoms were more important back in the medieval ages because up into the 1300s, dukedoms and marquisates were not in use. And even when they were introduced after the 1330s, they were mostly given to members of the royal family. So earls were usually the highest-ranking non-royals. The documentary refers to Henry Tudor's father Edmund as a minor noble, even though he was the half-brother of King Henry VI of England and the nephew of King Charles of France, through his mother, Catherine, Princess of France and queen mother of England. It was Henry VI who created Edmund and his brother, Jasper, as earls of Richmond and Pembroke. Far from being minor nobles, Edmund and Jasper were given precedence over all the nobles save the dukes. Henry's true claim to power came through Margaret Beaufort. Margaret was a descendant of the English prince, John Duke of Lancaster. When Henry VI and his son were killed, Henry Tudor was the next heir in line to the Lancastrian claim. He cemented his claim by marrying Princess Elizabeth of York, thus uniting the two rival houses. So how did Henry Tudor, a minor noble, a rural nobody, an outsider out of nowhere, become king of England? Easy, he wasn't a minor noble or rural nobody. He was a well-born noble who was related to two kings and was of royal lineage on both sides. He had a possible claim to the English throne after his half-uncle died. Henry's royal connections proved useful and he was able to find refuge in Brittany, whose duke was a vassal of his cousin, the king of France. Henry would not be able to become king if he had been a rural nobody. Henry would not have been able to become king without the support of the Lancastrian exiles who were devoted to him because of his royal bloodline. He would not have been able to take the throne without the support of his cousin, the King of France. He wasn't successful in taking the crown until after he pledged his intention of marrying the heiress, Elizabeth of York, thus gaining the support of Yorkist nobility that were unhappy with Richard III. In other words, Henry Tudor came to power because he was a highly born noble with royal lineage and relations, He used a combination of political and military skill, alongside with his birthright, familial connections, and his fortunate marriage, to depose Richard and take the crown.

[@johnlewis3891]

@Brenda MPH CEPH What you say is true, but my point was that the documentary incorrectly labeled Henry Tudor as a "minor noble" when in fact he was a powerful earl with extensive royal connections

[@tinaisufi9244]

Thank you for your interesting and very informative account of the lineage of the kings. It can only be a good thing for us to know more information. It also shows how documentaries sometimes bend the facts to suit what they want to achieve. Many thanks for your interesting input.

[@johnlewis3891]

@@tinaisufi9244 Thanks for the reply. Henry VII was doubt a remarkable man and great king, but he was not a rural gentleman, he was a powerful earl who was related to royalty and used a combination of his wealth, royal connections, and his military and diplomatic skills to ascend the throne. The show felt the need to exaggerate his accomplishments by portraying him as a minor lord in order to make him look like a fish out of water.

[@ronpthurber4756]

@@C-eo1rt Well put! It took a series of unfortunate events and betrayals to open the way for Henry Tudor to seize the throne (Main Lancaster and York lines being wiped out over the 20 years of fighting and infighting)

[@daveb3809]

Edward lV and Richard lll were claimants to the throne through Lionel Duke of Clarence and Edmund of York, the 2nd and 4th sons, not from the 3rd, John of Gaunt.

[@Aarontlondon]

It’s amazing how a 13 year old girl, survived giving birth to Henry, and that Henry, through the guts and grit of his Mother went on to be King Henry VII whose the direct ancestor our present Queen today, she’s his great grand daughter x13

[@giorgialine1442]

The documentary; "Even my medieval standards, Margaret Beaufort was obscenely young to be pregnant" (3:10) People in the comments who apparently didn't watch the video they're commenting on: "ThiRTeeN wAs NorMaL tHEn!"

[@candicehoneycutt4318]

Even they knew labor at 13 was incredibly dangerous. That's why they didn't do it and why most girls were closer to like 16 when they got pregnant.

[@cherrycherrylady1700]

Yea, yea Georgina..... nobody really knows if it was normal or not... maybe it was in some small towns we will never know... yes i saw the doc. Pretty awful to be pregnant at that age and more on medieval times.... but we will never know.

[@kasialeparska2480]

Well, life expectancy was also much shorter in medieval times.... between 25-30 years old....

[@ljooni]

@@cherrycherrylady1700 You do know that church records of births and deaths, journals, correspondence, and all sorts of written down history exists? And that what historians do is research all that? We do know it happened but it was not a norm. When it happened it happened bc of the people involved, not because it was business as usual. Period commentary didn't say 13 was awfully young for no reason. It said it bc it was. And we know that. It is not some ancient alien mystery ffs.

[@livcaitbff]

Exactly ugh

[@blubclub5422]

I love these videos so much not only because of the great story telling but because of how they use real actors to reenact the events. It’s always so hard to imagine what things looked or were like, and they just make it all seem so much more real.

[@stephanleo]

It's inaccurate a.f.

[@blubclub5422]

@@stephanleo I don’t care it looks cool

[@adriannegentleman83]

This still ignores Margaret's royal ancestors, She was herself descended from Edward III, through his son John of Gaunt, and although her grandfather was born illegitimate, all of John of Gaunt's and Kathrine Swynford's children were later made legitimate.

[@kristi1189]

Adrianne Gentleman that’s the Beaufort line.

[@brontewcat]

Yes. Virtually no mention of her royal blood or claim to the throne

[@vrisbrianm4720]

The Beauforts were practically barred from the line of succession. In 1407, Henry IV specifically excluded the Beauforts from any royal dignity on their latter patent of legitimisation.

[@brontewcat]

Vickte W Yes, but it is not clear his attempt to bar the from the throne was legally effective. The Beauforts had already been legitimatised by the Pope, and an act of Parliament, with no qualifications, during Richard II’s reign. Henry IV seems to have, for whatever reason, but decided to issue letters patent to legitimatise them again but added except for the throne. However, letters patent are weaker source of law than a act of Parliament, and so it is doubtful Henry IV could retrospectively bar them from the throne except with another act of Parliament.

[@vrisbrianm4720]

​@@brontewcat True, the Parliament never backed up Henry IV's decision to alter the patent. However I think this still cast a shadow over Beaufort's royal line, to the point that Henry Tudor's primary claims over the throne was by the right of conquest and his subsequent marriage to Elizabeth of York.

[@leilaonline2787]

Why isnt this a movie or HBO series? This is a GREAT story.

[@victorslyvester8977]

It has a series already

[@roolenoir3183]

The White Queen is on Starz if you can get it or you can buy the series on Amazon’s Prime it also has The white princess and one that is about Catherine of Aragon

[@mikkiduf]

The White Queen

[@gfilmer7150]

It's weird how nobody has tried to do a something on the entirety of The Wars of The Roses. They always do shows on the very end of the conflict or do series on the aftermath, like The Tudors which is about Henry VIII.

[@user-ww5gr1kp6d]

That's exactly what I thought after watching 🙂👍

[@juanitarichards1074]

"The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world". "The power behind the throne". These were written about women like Margaret Beaufort, and powerful royal mistresses and queens and widowed queens who were regents for their young princes.

[@almasdancing]

Yeah they rule the world on other's terms. Being accessories they act accessories to the rulers. Great power indeed lol

[@juanitarichards1074]

@@almasdancing Not on others terms at all. Margaret Beautfort got everything she wanted on her own terms So did Queen Elizabeth l, among others.

[@damnkevindeaderthanamf6068]

Catherine De Medici also

[@Nikimouse311]

Damn. That’s an amazing story. I am literally just trying to get through school meanwhile the woman went through alllllll this crazy stuff. Times have indeed changed.

[@softbingan]

If Margaret got the chance to experience the school life in modern England she will admire the students all the more.

[@robertmason9265]

What a fantastic subject for a series. Margaret must be one of the toughest, most resilient and smartest women in [recorded] history. Her story has everything, doesn't need to be embelished. What about it, Netflix??

[@frightbat208]

This woman is fascinating! She was ambitious and spent her life marrying for advantage and politics with the ultimate aim, her son gaining the throne. And she did it. This is the woman responsible for mentoring and establishing many iconic Tudor traditions.

[@juttamaier2111]

She was ruthless and cunning. She might as well have Richards nephews killed and blame it on him. They were in Henry's way, and she would win Elisabeth Woodward as an ally that way.

[@girl1213]

@@juttamaier2111The only thing that gets in the way of that however is how attached she was to Elizabeth of York, the daughter of Elizabeth Woodville. Elizabeth was the daughter Margaret never had. To order her brothers' death would mean harming Elizabeth and from all accounts that was a line she couldn't cross. Because Elizabeth of York would never forgive her: just like she never forgave those who impersonated her brothers. Does that free her from any suspicion that she could still do it? No. But like everything concerning the Princes in the Towers we just don't have hard proof. She gained a lot from their deaths, but her attachment to their sister puts her involvement in doubt and instead she could have just taken advantage of the situation. Because as Dan Jones keeps pointing out, all Margaret wants is for Henry to have his lands back, not the once did he say she wanted "the crown." And why would she? She knows better than anyone how unsafe it is to have that thing on your head.

[@meganrose5062]

Now everyone sees where the Tudors got it from. Grandma Beaufort. I have always said that Elizabeth was a strong ruler who was intelligent and cunning because of her family. Everyone thinks just her mother and father, but it also comes from her grandmother.

[@nicholeprinkey7291]

Just the fact that she survived all of this to put her son on the throne shows that he was truly ordained by God, as well as all those who came after...

[@julesmum9781]

This was v well done. Henry VIII gets lots of press but not so much his father. Margaret Beaufort is a vastly overlooked key figure of history as is Elizabeth Woodville. Love hearing about them. Would love to know more about the Neville women, Queen Mathilda, and Katherine Swynford and thr Beauforts

[@JohnDoe-et8th]

Without them there would for a dead certainty be no Tudor dynasty, and therefore no Anglican revolution, no defeat of the Armada, etc. etc. British history might look more like (horrors) the French, with their crown-and-altar concentration of elite power only broken by the Revolution.

[@jeanettesstewart807]

British history is a pure confection to suit the current elite.

[@rayssagon]

Nobody will ever overcome Amanda Hale's Margaret Beautfort in The White Queen. That woman delivered such a performance.

[@66bayouboy]

I agree. I was disappointed when she was played by another in the white princess

[@reginawhitlock4227]

Ever seen her picture? Ugly!

[@sylvianblue]

Agreed. She was superb.

[@mariamjehn7071]

She deserves an academy award!!!

[@margarettaft7362]

Agree agree agree Some say Margaret and third husband Stanley Killed the 2 sons of Edward 4 and blamed it on Richard 3

[@BassGoBomb]

And Elizabeth Woodville .. arguably she and Margaret 'conspired' the end of the War of the Roses .. And let's not forget the 'she devils'. Great women (persons) all ... :-)

[@meggoldnight]

Margaret Beaufort has become one of my favourite historical figures, so strong and powerful, this documentary is what made me fall in love with her and have such respect for her

[@maryoleary5044]

Little Henry hiding under the table! good acting young sir!

[@patriciaparker9563]

I love this channel. Thank you for all the amazing videos you do

[@anisaguine]

The only gripe I have with this documentary is that it glosses over the fact that Margaret Beaufort had her own claim to the throne as a descendant of John of Gaunt and Edward III.

[@Moonflower_Lasa]

No she didn't . His descendants were excluded from the succession.

[@janefelix3821]

Didn't matter much as women were unofficially barred from ruling. That is why Elizabeth York could not be the ruler. The first Queen Regnant was her great granddaughter Mary I in 1554.

[@anisaguine]

Yes, but his only blood connection to the actual Plantagenet line was through her, not through his father. It glosses over this entirely and implies that his only royal connection was his grandmother, who was a French Princess before becoming Queen of England.

[@rubynibs]

@@anisaguine Did you not read Cynthia Hughes's comment: John of Gaunt's descendants were not royal; they had no right to succession.

[@blackcaesar3k5]

@@anisaguine Edmund and Jasper Tudor biological father were Edmund Beaufort according to historians.

[@maryoleary5044]

Absolutely beautiful Stag! These films are so well done...I feel like a fly on a wall (peeping out behind the tapestries) observing the dramas! So clearly written and narrated by Dan Jones. Looks great, sounds great, finely adapted/ directed and excellent casting.

[@anryzere802]

Amazing woman!! Thanks to the channel for all the interesting videos that you post here, them allow me to know with more detail the history of England.

[@LoboMendez1]

I love this channel, this has been one of my favorite uploads!

[@ianclarke3627]

Regicide, I used to work for Stanley's descendant, lord derby in the 80's . We lived inside his estate and on a drunken walk back home on the estate my old man met the then lord derby and after being stopped and ordered to identify himself the old fella challenged him to a fight for his land as that's how his ancestors got it in the first place ,Haha, we didn't last long there .

[@ianclarke3627]

@Sherlock's cat really , that's marvelous, I love history , I sat on the chair the 7th earl of derby was beheaded on .

[@troyerpatricia]

Nobody does this better than Dan Jones. Period. Thanks.

[@sputumtube]

One of the best KZbin subscriptions I ever made. Every episode is enthralling.

[@andrewhostynski7701]

Great presentation by Dan Jones. He's eminently watchable, interesting and credible ....

[@BloodSweatandFears]

The acting is impressive I must say I love this

[@brontewcat]

This documentary does not explain who Margaret was and why she was so important. Firstly it is rubbish to say that a claim to the throne was worthless. Under English law women have always been able to transmit the claim. Edward III had about 5 sons. The War of the Roses stems from the infighting for the throne between the descendants of those 5 sons. Son no 3 was the Duke of Lancaster and son no 4 was the Duke of York. The son of Lancaster (Henry IV) took the throne from the son of son no 1 (Richard II). Henry VI was descended from Lancaster. Edward IV was descended from the Duke of York, however one of the descendants later married a female descendant from son 2. So the descendants of son no 4, York, started saying they had the more senior claim. As Henry VI was so weak, Edward took the throne. Margaret was also descended from the third son, Lancaster. However her great grandmother was the third son’s mistress, and so the children were illegitimate. Later Lancaster married his mistress, and he had the Pope and Parliament make those children legitimate with no qualification. (Henry IV tried to declare they couldn’t inherit the throne, but as they had already been made legitimate it is doubtful he could legally do this) Once Henry VI and his son (who is not mentioned here) were killed, the Lancastrian claim to the throne fell onto Margaret. So in reality she could have claimed the throne herself except, at the time, no one thought women could take the throne in their own right. That is why she was so important. The union between Henry Tudor and Elizabeth of York was intended to stop the infighting between the descendants of the Lancaster son and the York son, and why Margaret and Elizabeth Woodville thought it would unify the nobility. The other thing the documentary does not mention is that the first rebellion in 1483, was under the leadership of the Duke of Buckingham- who was was descended from son no 5 of Edward III. So Buckingham also had a claim to the throne. Although Margaret was definitely involved, the rebellion is called Buckingham’s rebellion.

[@Moonflower_Lasa]

In order to make his children legitimate retroactively John of Gaunt agreed to exclude them from the succession. His mistress was Katharine de Roet. She was a widow.

[@xavvy8663]

To be fair, these documentaries are more about the events and less about the very specific and complicated social aspects (unless said social aspects are necessary for the events). A lot of people wouldnt watch if each persons importance was extensively explained because it would be boring and feel more like a class than a documentary

[@brontewcat]

Pino Gia Yes but he only had to say in one short sentence that Margaret was descended from Edward III, and had a distant claim to the throne. Most documentaries on this period do explain that the War of the Roses was a power struggle between the descendants of Edward III. Different documentaries go into different levels of details. Edited comment about Buckingham’s Rebellion. Margaret’s plot was initially separate to Buckingham’s. She then persuaded Buckingham they should join forces and the two plots became the one action.

[@brontewcat]

Cynthia Hughes Actually John of Gaunt didn’t. John of Gaunt persuaded his nephew and the Pope to legitimise them without conditions. Henry IV only tried to retrospectively bar the Beauforts from the throne after their mutual father, John of Gaunt, died. As Henry IV tried to do it through Letters Patent, when the Beauforts had been legitimised previously by both Pope and Parliament, jurisprudence suggests Henry could not bar them from the throne that way. He would have had to have passed another act of Parliament to bar them from the throne.

[@bettyflipkowski235]

brontewcat 2

[@brainwaiver1]

This puts all previous presentations in a more perceptible perspective. Wonderful.

[@Caterina...3]

Such an incredible story, given new life with such dynamic narration! Thank you! I love your channel, your stories, your narration and your love of history!

[@abab9622]

What an incredible woman! Yeah she def doesn't get the recognition she deserves. Amazing! I love how her story is told. Make more of these please!

[@flanamom]

Great doc! The story is incredible enough, and the way it's told here - the scenery, photography, acting etc - superb. Anything Dan is involved in is class. For Margaret to have lived as long as she did, dying right after her grandson Henry VIII was crowned king, and after having lived a life full of turmoil, makes me think she must've possessed some super genes. Can't get enough of the history of the Plantagenets/Tudors. Reading a fantastic new book, "The Brothers York", a deep dive into the machinations of this trio of royal brothers and their world and its players. George RR Martin didn't have to go far to obtain his GoT fantasy material, deriving it from this real-life chapter in history. Game of Thrones indeed!

[@catalinamontidioro8766]

Margaret Beaufort was a most ambitious woman for her son but she suffered so intensely to bring him to life. Having a baby at thirteen is ridiculous. Sixteen is a better age. Thirteen is too young. But she misjudged Edward the Fourth. Edward the Fourth was a force to be reckoned with. One did not mess around with Edward the Fourth.

[@bonnymcdermott1240]

Wow! This docum is incredible!! Best presentation and narration ive ever seen! It captivated me from the first 5 seconds

[@stevemcmahan8277]

Great historical account of the first Tudor king. England’s bloody history is breath taking in its scope. Well done biography.

[@seb2022]

This was so well done.

[@germaineboatwala-sidhva1079]

I was glued to my seat for this and the previous video on Richard 111. Amazing narration, history, storytelling at its finest! 👍

[@MaverickSeventySeven]

Given the 45 minutes this was informative and 'to the point'' given especially all the intricate machinations! Worth watching.

[@Robert-ts2ef]

Dan Jones does an excellent job of presenting this series which is brought to life by the brilliant portrayals of the various figures in an easy to understand way. Bravo Sir!

[@Odanti]

I have watched this video multiple times. I love it. I like how you have told this story of Margaret Beaufort. Yes, she was an amazing woman!!!🌹🌹🌹🌹Roses for Margaret!🌹🌹🌹

[@kerryevans7283]

Can't believe how much I'm enjoying this. Thanks😀

[@kofimoseley9296]

Man, these are good. I keep clicking on the next one.

[@TheKnitch]

This entire series is amazing.

[@Tradeofjane]

This is more dramatized than historically accurate. Most people did not believe the princes were dead, which is why under Henry Tudor pretenders laid claimed to the throne. Also, there is no evidence that Richard III had the princes killed or that they were even murdered. The theory that Richard III had them murdered only became popular decades later based on the erroneous unfinished writings of Thomas More which influenced Shakespeare's fictional representation of Richard III. The theory also ignores the fact that Richard III left Edward, Earl of Warwick, untouched, which is odd if your ambition is power and the throne of England. Henry Tudor understood this and had Edward immediately imprisoned when he was 10 years old in the Tower of London. Henry VII left him isolated and uneducated to the point where he became mentally ill and later had him executed so that his son Arthur could marry Catherine of Aragon.

[@eddiel7635]

Tradeofjane as a history major covering this period I can confirm that most of what you have written is not true.

[@paulw242]

Spot on, thank you. (I note some ignoramus has claimed as a history major it’s untrue without countering your facts!!) I was screaming when Jones said “By sept 83, everyone thought Richard had had his nephews killed”. This is so much horse sh that it devalues the film totally. Richard was widely, almost universally, respected for his even handedness and dedication to due process. When Henry does become King, as is custom when you have no claim to the throne, you issue a bill stating your claim and denouncing the previous incumbent, listing their faults and crimes. THEN, right then, would be the time to say Richard killed them. But he doesn’t, because he can’t, because the boys are still alive. Henry VII ordered the deaths of the princes in the tower. And the incarceration of their mother and forced silence of their sisters and judicial murdrer of their cousins ie all valid claimants to the throne. Do you see? It would make no sense for Richard to murder the boys.

[@eddiel7635]

shlimazl this is actually hilarious 😂

[@sabrinaprior3333]

They found two small bodies hidden in The Tower during renovations some years back. Confirming Richard had them killed. Regardless of what people thought, we now know what happened.

[@jossianneruiz570]

@@sabrinaprior3333 Someone did paid by MARGARET BEAUFORT!!!

[@atlboo98]

this is so good and so well done!!! i love it. im so hooked. it feels like im actually there in time

[@superkarnal13]

Thank you for the magnificent explanation

[@jamiebarringer4019]

I love the actress for Margaret baufort here. She was so young for most of the principle developments. Most protry here as an elderly schemer.

[@kkandsims4612]

Hold up michelle Fairely played her like a boss in the white princess she’s beautiful but they did kinda portray her as a crazy religious freak and slightly unhinged .

[@jamiebarringer4019]

@Sherlock's cat how does she seem "arab?"

[@isobelduncan]

*Beaufort.

[@jamiebarringer4019]

@@isobelduncan *portray

[@beautywithin7065]

Compared to many queens who are amazing. I gotta say, Margaret was one of a kind and she was magnificently marvellous and determined for her son to be on the throne. I am truly inspired by this women. May she always be remembered. I’m glad I came across this documentary, truly amazing how the legends of this story attained to be successful. Brutal but fascinating by survival techniques and with good intentions throughout the story

[@jojijosette5946]

I loved this piece of history. The fierceness and strength of a Mother's love. It is powerful.

[@SuperPinklady08]

Really enjoyed this - very well done ❤️🙂🙂

[@powellmountainmike8853]

I have a problem with the term "single mother." While it may be technically correct, the proper term for her state at Henry's birth should be "widowed mother." "Single mother" implies that Henry was illegitimate, whereas he was not. "Widowed mother" makes his legitimacy more clear. I am sure Henry VII would have noted the difference and NOT been pleased with the term used.

[@TheLadyDiazepam]

yes, that "single mum" at the end is wrong. Makes a formidable woman like Margaret Beaufort sound like a teenage slag from a council estate.

[@johnny63ism]

There are many single mothers who are divorced and their exes don't give a shit about taking care of children and don't participate in kids lives. Single mother is a mother who takes care of a child alone, whether child is born out of wedlock, whether in marriage

[@powellmountainmike8853]

@@johnny63ism Lady Margaret Beaufort was not divorced either. She was a widow. Her marriage to Henry's father was only ended by his death.. As I stated, the term "single mother" is TECHNICALLY correct, but the implications from its usage leave much to be desired. I am sorry if your modern sensibilities get in the way of your understanding this, but it is true nonetheless. Considering the number of "thumbs up" my comment has received, it is obvious that others agree.

[@lorettawilson7264]

I really loved this story..This is a VERY good video...Thank you for Posting it on KZbin..I will watch it again and again !!!!

[@shirleywang8994]

Her story alone could be maden one season of the game of throne. Wonderful docu, thx! Really enjoyed it.

[@abduldainkeh2831]

Your method of presenting your materials is just amazing.

[@cindyrobinson3077]

wow, I have such admiration for her! Can't imagine all she went thru and so young too. But to be so poised and focused

[@Supremedalex]

It’s crazy how much the whole of the wars of the roses reads as a book

[@junesilvermanb2979]

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wars_of_the_Roses

[@shaynagonzales7692]

In love with this series thank you!!

[@shakespearaamina9117]

Such an amazing documentary!!!! really appreciate it...

[@Luna.3.3.3]

*_SuCH_** a good documentary - so well done* ❗️. I love these docs - how anyone finds history boring, when it's like a movie; is beyond me.~Thank goodness for these, while in LocKdoWn! - I hope everyone is staying healthy out there. 😊🇨🇦

[@Moonflower_Lasa]

It is even more interesting when they are your Great Grandparents.

[@kaloarepo288]

A 13 year old girl giving birth is a pretty disturbing idea!

[@Moonewitch]

Very! That tells you that she was sexually raped by the ages of 10 - 12. It's sick.

[@mcseedat]

And they show the birth for a bit too long on this show. Jesus I had to fast forward. Anyway these historic young women who were impregnated early on in their lives were always mentally fucked up. Check MOhammeds child bride ayesha and her antics once he died..

[@annstillwell730]

They had a different idea of age back then as people died so young and women often died in child birth. King John's Wife Isabella was 13. Margaret Tudor Henry's on daught was married off at 14 but they kept her st home a while longer because of her grandmothers experience.

[@deathbycheese850]

@@Moonewitch she was married at 12yo. She didn't even have her first period before she got pregnant. She literally got pregnant on her very first cycle.

[@juanitarichards1074]

@@Moonewitch Thats not why he consummated the marriage. He knew he was going to war within days and that he might not be coming back and hoped his bride would become pregnant and produce a son to carry on his heritage, which is exactly what happened. And he was killed in battle and never saw his son. It may have been cruel but life was short and brutal in those days which is why girls were married off young. They had more chance of producing a few living children before they died.

[@carollever4662]

I really enjoyed listening to your essay regarding Henry Vll It's amazing that we have archived so much history, so we can know what transpired

[@tlo35]

Bravo for these series. Very good documentary. It kept me wanting to see more.

[@ladysiam3024]

Awesome...just getting into English history and that was the best explanation of Richard and Henry! I didn't know Margaret was so kick ass.

[@filipematias5127]

The Poles were descendants of the Duke of Clarence through his daughter Margaret Countess of Salisbury and also had a rightfull claim to the throne!

[@LaurinhaPimenta]

OMG THIS IS SO PERFECT ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@evelyndaly29]

Fantastic documentary!!

[@cbcluckyii4042]

"against all odds" takes on a new meaning with Lady Beaufort.

[@markadams7597]

Great vid, and only half the story, which ends with WB as the King-mother (the most powerful female in England before her Tudor great-granddaughters).

[@kadianimageworks]

This is one of the more fascinating videos that I've seen. Excellently done and very interesting! \

[@vickywitton1008]

Brilliant documentary and told by a brilliant historian!

[@travelerforever8849]

The morale of the story is.. a mother will do anything for her children especially to protect them. This is one of the example..

[@reythejediladyviajakku6078]

I can’t imagine how well Henry got along with his stepdads

[@janefelix3821]

He had very little contact with them as a child as he was raised by his uncle Jasper. His mother's husband, Thomas Stanley, was a powerful York noble in the court so for Henry, being a Lancaster, would not have been smart for him to be in the Court. For most of his life, until he was King, he lived in France.

[@pamelaboswell9715]

Weren't they all dead?

[@lolagabrielle2671]

He didnt know them except for Stanley

[@margo3367]

Her husbands must have really loved her; she inspired loyalty in times where trust was a rare commodity.

[@meeeka]

He never had to! He did know the first one and the second, Lord Stanley, helped make him.

[@2024cats]

Thank you for the wonderful information and the beautiful British accent! 😘😘😘😘😘

[@ariesrainbowchild]

Thank you I watched it twice

[@amyrat151]

Paris: Younger than she are happy mothers made. Lord Capulet: And too soon marred are those so early made. I figured that that might have been a reference in part to Margaret and because she didn't have any other children after Henry because she had a baby at 13.

[@dmgib5239]

Entertaining and mostly accurate, but there is one big whopper near the end. Henry Tudor did NOT personally fight at Bosworth, or anywhere else. He was in the rear, surrounded by mounted body guards and his standard bearer, who was killed by Richard himself. They protected him Tudor from harm, as the Stanley's did their work.

[@apoorvaranjan9921]

The quality of this video is so much good for just a KZbin channel

[@archerc4828]

Most impressed by this series.

[@guardian08527]

Contradicting story on the Battle Of Bosworth. From what I have read Henry didn't do crap really in the battle which was technically the smart move because in these types of fights, it's an automatic check mate when the king/wanabe king gets killed as there is nothing for their armies to fight on for. Henry spent the battle hanging back and Richard noticed him with his closest comrades just observing the battle and not committing to getting their hands dirty. Because the Stanley's were "sitting on their hands"/turning on Richard, R3 decided to roll the dice and make a mad dash at Henry's small group. But, their horses were bogged down in the marsh near Henry and Richard killed Henry's standard bearer and unhorsed one of his best soldiers who was a joust champion. Henry stayed at the back of the group while more of his guys finally showed up and it turned into a glorified mob hit on Richard who went down swinging.

[@Orphen42O]

Richard III understood that. He died trying to make a direct assault on Henry Tudor who was heavily guarded and kept out of the combat. Henry VII was not a soldier-king.

[@shellyhill6804]

One of my favorite players in British history and an incredible example of what determination looks like. I don’t always agree with her-but I respect her above most.

[@msbrowngault]

Goals

[@tinahachey454]

I love watch Tudor stuff I find its so interesting thank you for sharing 😄

[@loudradialem5233]

Awesome! I didn't know anything about her and how she masterminded one of the greatest upsets in history!