The Great Un-Soulbinding is AWFUL (Hypixel Skyblock)

[@lordotro]

The Subtitles were made automatically. There are some fun mistakes it made, comment below your favorites. Also, do you agree ? disagree? tell me

[@lordotro]

My favorite is "Kudra care"

[@supercjs6044]

Fully agree with the video, another thing to point out is that much of crimson isles money-making methods relied on the fact that most of the items were soulbound. By unsoulbinding most of the items early game players are going to suffer (assuming prices significantly drop when they release to the bazaar which i suspect they will), most players cant tackle the minibosses and the ones who can are probably doing better things in the first place. Being able to run around and farm basically anything crimson isles and make 15m/h+ due to the soulbind items having flips in demand was always a blessing for basically any player at any stage of the game looking for easy side money. (Think flipping blaze belts, ghast cloaks, snail pets, all of the above)

[@zamas8141]

i think admins shouldn't force ironman to people if they don't want to. You can "ironman it" in a normal profile because you choose to do that, not because everything is soulbound. At most, requirements of kuudra completions and combat levels should be enough. It shows admins are on this same mindset also due to the " maybe coming soon" museum changes that allow people to unsolbound their maxed armor sets they put in museum for clean ones

[@makcings4764]

true

[@JustADudeDoingSomething]

I disagree. I think they should be unsoulbound because most of the player base simply do not enjoy doing kuudra. Why should they sacrifice most of their player's enjoyment for the sake of the very few? Plus, its another money making method for those who dont need it, yet have too much of it. Not everyone sweats the game and the admins are starting to understand that and that should be appreciated going forward. After all, it's better to let players speed through progression in order to catch up with the new updates instead of stopping progression entirely due to one aspect of the game they simply dont enjoy. This is ultimately for the health of the server. You gotta remember that skyblock still has many more updates to come and stopping players from progressing isnt going to help the server at all. Idk about you but I'd rather play on a server with tens of thousands of players than a server with only a couple hundred. And things are yet to be finalized. Maybe kuudra teeth, heavy pearls and nether stars will stay soulbounded, but even if they aren't, it's not like the game's going to be ruined due to nons. Everybody hates nons and I especially hate nons, but it isn't as if they're perpetually stupid. They'll learn eventually and if unavoidable, I'd rather have a non with full infernal gear doing t4 or t5 kuudra than a non with hot or burning. Thats just my opinion. 🤷‍♂️

[@misselijk721]

most the playerbase has never even done kuudra lmao

[@JustADudeDoingSomething]

@misselijk721 That's the point. Most players don't want to do kuudra.

[@Veggieburger53]

That and the unsoulbinding would be heavily beneficial to both non and regular kuudra players anyway as kuudra players would be able to get keys faster which in theory pumps out more armor and brings down the prices of god rolls.

[@waserof]

Soulbinding creates variety in what the "most efficient" use of your time in the game is. If everything is simply put behind a coin paywall, the only content that the majority of players engage with will be fun gambling aspects like dungeons, or consistent money making grinds like mining and farming. Sure this is a choice people can make, but when the alternative is essentially wasting your time to get to the same place but slower, very few people will take that route and subsequently get burnt out and possibly quit. Of course this is all conjecture but I think its a very real concern and that if un-soulbinding is to go forward there needs to be some limiters or incentives put in place to make varied gameplay viable.

[@JustADudeDoingSomething]

@waserof Those who quit are bound to quit anyway. There's still so many things to do in the game and many more to come. And I think that's just objectively wrong to assume that players will quit the game simply because things are now more accessible. Because those very same players are still playing the game despite not even progressing in crimson isles or kuudra. They'll most likely just get it done with it and go back to doing what they have always been doing. Be it fishing, farming, mining, slayers, dungeons, or being roof ninjas in the hub. Again, the admins and Simon himself have said that they still have many plans in the working once 1.21 rolls out. There'll be many more custom things, many new possibilities, and just so much more content to explore. Kuudra isn't the end of it, and it's just wrong to gatekeep new updates from the majority of the players simply because they don't like kuudra. They're most likely doing this to push and encourage players to actually want to progress so that they can access new content more freely.

[@mrsweat3639]

Its the rarest ting in the world a lord upload this is 100x times more rare then the 2 most rare ting that is a lord stream

[@NecronfromHypixelSkyblock]

...Hypixel must take everything we hold dear. May the best luck be on the keyboards of players who got full infernal before this, for they are in for several beatings.

[@huvothoughts]

Poor keyboards :(

[@eupha3326]

my biggest complaint is that the nether stars in all likelihood will become a money making method just like summoning eyes did! they serve essentially the same purpose, (as a playtime requirement before getting boss loot,) yet nether stars are a lot less annoying to farm than summoning eyes. there is an infestation of macroers and WAY too many low level players in shadow assassin or wise dragon looking to sell eyes to gamblers. its the main reason i gave up on getting edrag, and i really dont want to see a bunch of sb lvl 120 hyperion wielding nons to compete with while grinding my stars because it will NOT do wonders for my motivation to play this game.

[@btcbuster5556]

I don’t think that will happen because there are many differences in the mechanics between zealots and vanquishers

[@volcanic_sloth]

so basically, you're complaining about being able to profit more since you don't have to spend time on grinding nether stars

[@eupha3326]

@@volcanic_sloth the role nether stars play is changing from being a sort of prerequisite for kuudra and instead turning into something that you just buy from the bazaar, not dissimilar to summoning eyes. this makes kuudra less trouble for most players, but for the players who need to get the stars it will make obtaining them needlessly competitive and annoying. to answer your question, no i am not against convenience for normal mode players. i do, however, like to sometimes complain about the side effects. i am an ironman player after all, so the soul binding doesnt affect me any other way.

[@volcanic_sloth]

@@eupha3326 you're saying this like it will change things, do you really think a person, who can grind nether stars efficiently will actually do that instead of doing something that makes more money?

[@waserof]

@@volcanic_sloth What is the basis for your assumption that stars will be an inefficient method of making money so much so that players will not be grinding stars?

[@chimera125]

ngl the sword meta change doesnt do anything because the only class in the game (mostly dungeons but there isnt a thing outside that uses swords) is mage and mage is unplayable untill cata 50 maybe 49 so it doesnt matter

[@lordotro]

Yeah sure, but I used it to show a trend. The admins have been making more and more things more coin reliant. What might be next? I really don't want to get an answer to that question.

[@colinspielt1035]

w opinion but if you dont like that you can just play on an ironman profile

[@lordotro]

@@colinspielt1035 yeah, that's true. But still, two things. 1. I don't like the admin disrespecting players work to get these armors. 2. If this continues to be a trend (money being the main path to progress) that's going to suck, because money grinding is my least favorite activity. It's one of the main reasons why I play ironman.

[@Veggieburger53]

⁠​⁠@@lordotroit’s an mmo with two different ways to sell and buy items with coins, it will stay and continue to be a game dominated with the idea of progression for coins.

[@iironey1464]

keep in mind i do agree with kuudra teeth and nether stars being soulbound, but heavypearls, in what world is that benificial? why do i need 3 months of daily heavypearls to get 2 sets to infernal, how does that even make sense?

[@lordotro]

Well for that we need to think about why they were added in the first place. I agree that at the base of it, Heavy pearls are just a time gate and nothing else. Your opinion on if that's a good or a bad thing can vary, there is not correct answer to my mind. But they were added as a time gate, so removing that functionality out of them by bringing them to bazaar... you might as well delete them all from the game, and remove it from recipes. Personally I wouldn't have added them in the first place, but they were added. And so I want to respect their purpose in the game.

[@kindaweirdpanda]

So painful to watch him fishing this way and wasting so much time on switching focus to kill a mob

[@lordotro]

@@kindaweirdpanda :)

[@austincasterline6894]

Boss the thing is kuddra and the Infernal Isles in general already have a pretty insane barrier to entry for players (normal mobs having at least 1 mil health basically means a hype is required to do it without suffering), and on top of that have you tried to party finder any level of kuddra which is what a majority of players would have to do? Its worse than dungeons party finder by a mile. I also personnally am not a fan of 90% of the infernal Isles, but the infernal isles armor is used for a lot of stuff outside of infernal isles. I grind a lot of content myself for drops, but if I wanted to be an ironman player I would have selected it when I made my profile. The heavy pearls are probably going to end up being kinda overpriced anyway because there is still a limit to the 3 per day.

[@mangoisatango]

completely agree wit this

[@sopper9846]

the video is well designed, especialy when i want the crimson ice weather

[@Game0saur_]

Strongly agree, they could've handled the update so much differently and/ or better

[@Dave-Lopez]

Almost three years ago now? Blimey I'm getting old

[@Adi18_]

Agreed man they shouldnt be unsoulbinding atleast the heavy pearls and kuudra teeths. Keeping kuudra teeths soulbound would still make people do kuudra and grind out those tier upgrades manually. If they unsoulbinded those people could simply spent a billion coins and get their set from basic to infernal in 1 day which isnt the case right now.

[@JustADudeDoingSomething]

Nah. Heavy pearls sure, but not kuudra teeth. It'll be another money-making method for those who don't need it, but have way too much of it. Plus, lots of people don't enjoy doing kuudra. Why force them to play a part of the game they don't enjoy? It's better to help players speed through progression than making them stop progression. That's how you don't lose players.

[@iironey1464]

yes i love waiting 20 days for heavy pearls to get my new crimson chestplate to infernal, if you agree with the heavy pearl system you haven't played skyblock or atleast you are not a crimson tryhard

[@lordotro]

Well for that we need to think about why they were added in the first place. I agree that at the base of it, Heavy pearls are just a time gate and nothing else. Your opinion on if that's a good or a bad thing can vary, there is not correct answer to my mind. But they were added as a time gate, so removing that functionality out of them by bringing them to bazaar... you might as well delete them all from the game, and remove it from recipes. Personally I wouldn't have added them in the first place, but they were added. And so I want to respect their purpose in the game.

[@iironey1464]

@@lordotro yes, kuudra teeth+nether stars should not be un-soulbounded, I agree with timegating a new player who just spent 500$ on gems to not make the game based on just the money you have, but if i already play for 3 years, have a lot of infernal sets and stopped doing heavy pearls, the suddenly a new godroll is discovered, do you agree i should (as a long term player) wait for a whole month just to make my new godroll infernal? I don't think its fair, especially if i stopped getting heavy pearls under the assumption i wont need them anymore

[@lordotro]

@@iironey1464 I completely agree with you there. Tho god roll are probs getting removed since attribute change is still in the future.

[@flynnal9034]

cant wait to buy my infernal set

[@Sartius1]

We need more flash news reporter Otro

[@lordotro]

@@Sartius1 "BRING ME MORE PICTURES OF UPDATES!"

[@foreest__]

i wonder if you've talked to any long term players about this, i'm sure they all agreed with you :), although one thing i think we forgot to mention during our discussion was that although yes the armor is peak and the strongest out of dungeons sets, some things like magical power (something that is mostly p2w) and skills (50/50 on p2w because of things like jerry boxes) will still hold back players who rush kuudra for the infernal sets, they will still do vastly more damage, but i do still think after reviewing some more data that the kuudra teeth and heavy pearls should still not be unsoulbound, that i still firmly believe like you, but i think that we might have catastrophized a little quickly and should relook into the holdbacks, it's still a bad thing, and inflation is still in bound for players who p2w to get infernal sets and accessories for magical power, along with weapons such as hyperion and guilded fragged midas with 250m bid, the death of kuudra will happen, but it will be a bit slower than we originally thought

[@lordotro]

That's fair. Of course these new players wouldn't be as powerful do to those things you mentioned. However, we can also ask. Now that they have done it to melee swords and armors, what is next? That's one of the things we need to consider, but getting this snuffed out before that would help. And it is also bad for the new players. They see KZbinrs and older players using these sets and doing crazy DPS, so they hyper focus on these armors and ignore the rest of the game. That's what is already happening with "hype nons" Still, you're right, there are still boundaries that work to separate early and late game. And I probably should have considered that a bit.

[@Sombian]

tl;dr; i like gatekeeping

[@lordotro]

There is a difference between gatekeeping and not giving everything in the game easily. If I wanted to gatekeep this, I would be saying that you should only do kuudra if you have (insert dumb high requirement) I'm just saying if you want the best sets, you have to put in the work. You don't even necessarily need the kuudra armors, you can do all the things in the game without it. So it's not like keeping infernal, is gatekeeping something else.

[@Sombian]

@lordotro Only about 1% of the player base is engaging with Kuudra due to its absurdly high barrier to entry and the unwanted "Ironman" experience it imposes. I understand it can feel frustrating when all your hard work and struggles suddenly seem worthless, and I'm not denying that. However, claiming that others should endure the same pain you experienced simply because you were a victim comes across as purely selfish.

[@beeternity]

as far as im aware 2024-2023 is not almost 3

[@lordotro]

​​​@@beeternity First my bad, I miss spoke, as you can see on the video (in the top left corner) crimson isle was April 2022 And we are heading to 2025 so... Close enough?

[@beeternity]

@@lordotro you said something along the lines of "crimson isles released in April 2023, which is almost 3 years ago now", the captions said the same

[@lordotro]

I edited the comment to be clearer. But yeah. Misspoke, my bad

[@bruhmoment9429]

actually dark claymore is better then midas having a more evened out stat range is better then the 100 strength when your stats are already so high

[@gnar111]

you are trying so hard to be different

[@lordotro]

@@gnar111 well... On KZbin that's pretty important.

[@VuNam_MCVN]

:o is this real?

[@xRelt]

here before public

[@Awesomeelite53]

this is not good for the combat skill

[@geniegerny]

Saying its "just coins" in a game that fully revolves around coins and arguging those sets are "just given to new players" when they cost billions of coins is such a far stretch. I sorta was with you when you were arguing about the players that worked hard to archieve the sets but the kind of bs u said in the video apart from that is so dumb...

[@lordotro]

Skyblock isn't "fully revolved around coins" and it should never be. Even Simon Hypixel said so recently on Twitter. "Games need more different ways of progression independent of wealth. Just like you can't really buy your way into maxing all skills in the game." x.com/Simon_Hypixel/status/1862958303225217044 While I agree that realistically new players can't get access to this armor simply with the price, I just don't like they direction Skyblock is heading in with this change.

[@cozygung]

Just stop grinding. All lategame and endgame content will be made redundant through nerfs and buffs in favor of newer players. Or continue being the piñata for admins to milk money off through fire sales.

[@lordotro]

Yeah, that's What I fear

[@MaeFlooff]

not gonna lie as someone with fiery armors and almost lv 400 I dont think its that bad :P if people have the coins let them spend them and well we will see how the changes affect the game.

[@humandumpster3943]

I think you forget that to do any tier of kuudra, you need to get a certain amount of reputation to even do them. Also, why does it matter if they use a bunch of coins to buy these sets? they still had to get these coins somehow, its not like people are duping from this update. How is unsoulbinding heavy pearls even bad? they aren't even hard to get, they are just time gated lmao. On the topic of carries, there are literally carries for everything, slayers, kuudra, dungeons, etc. If you dont like this, why dont you play ironman? Crimson isle not being a solo experience is not true, the game has to make most things a solo available experience, just look at ironmen, id say eveything is possible solo other than dungeons, and even then people solo it. Coins can be an issue, but it also allows people to do what they like to gain coins, rather than forcing them into a corner to suffer and do kuudra and such. The gear grind wasn't even made solo either lmfao, you could grind with your coop and get teeth/essence/pearls and upgrade the gear together. Lastly, on the topic of the midas. To get even the minimum base of the sword that competes with dark claymore, you need to spend a RIDICULOUS amount of money on it. Like you NEED gdrag to even make it slightly better, and that's a pet that costs 1b coins. the sword also costs at least 330m because of the 250m req + fragments. 1.3B for a midas and gdrag? at that point a new player would just same another 500m to buy a wip hype, which IS arguably the best sword in the game, not because of its melee damage, but because of its versatility. If someone can get a 1.3b loan from a friend, i highly doubt they cant get another 1.9b.

[@Fuochetto12]

Heavy pearls and nether stars MUST be kept soulbound imo I think that the combat lvl requirements should ATLEAST be: Base 30 Hot 35 Burning 40 Fiery 50 Infernal 60 Like there's no way as well that people will get infernal before combat 60, so this atleast blocks off a bit the progression skips

[@TheBestLamus]

just put the fries in the bag bro

[@foreest__]

he ain't trump :P

[@volcanic_sloth]

since when is 2024-2023=3???

[@lordotro]

@@volcanic_sloth First my bad, I miss spoke, as you can see on the video (in the top left corner) crimson isle was April 2022 And we are heading to 2025 so... Close enough

[@spacehelm0]

i disagree, people who grinded the sets before are not getting disrespected, they had plenty of time to use the sets while other players couldnt, so it was absolutely worth it. i also dont think its bad that you can just buy the armor if you have the reqs, because its the same with everything else, its for example so easy to get maxed gear like term hype or claymore/midas if you have the money. and why would you even care when you are litrally ironman so it doesnt even affect you at all?

[@lordotro]

The way it affects me is two fold. One, as coins become more and more important they do become more important on ironman as well. Which I don't like. Secondly, as this low requirement high power gear becomes more available the admins will be making things more difficult to compensate. (What if you NEED infernal for the next combat update? What will ironman players do then?) And ironman players just can't keep up with something.