The Greatest Starship Never Built: The Vesper Class

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Sources: www.ex-astris-scientia.org/my_ships/asia.htm www.starfleet-museum.org/asia.htm

[@merafirewing6591]

Didn't the Asia-class used phasers in its later refits?

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

@@merafirewing6591 probably any that were around in in TOS...

[@acebrandon3522]

Even Starfleet has to deal with Pork 🐷in their budget n ship design.😁

[@TheRezro]

Personally I fallow different canon on this subject. Asia as far as I recall is fan design. Though it could be seen as fallow up to Baton Rouge class, what probably was Kalvin era version of Ceres class (SS Bonaventure). What in fact has tendency of missing due to time travel tendencies of Archer Drive. Which is why Jonathan Archer caned it. Asia theoretically can be later variant. Though at the time Starfleet get far larger in scope due to universal adaptation by Federation. And even Conie quite fast become too small. There is also a Loknar (NX) Derivative known simply as "Class J cruiser" (term "class J" as reference to old freighter is Trek equivalent of word "junk"). One famous for being involved in incident with Pike. But that is clearly larger ship, of which Conie was direct fallow UP. Technically Decatur class was direct replacement for Conie, solving one of major design flaws of this class. Shangri-la could be a variant. But this class was at the time already dead. As side note. In context of Strange New World. Excelsior was replacement for Sombra class. Not the original Constitution.

[@coreyperez8817]

I really enjoy how you do these videos. If you want to look at a fun ship, I'd suggest you take a look at the Kodiak class battleship. I can only imagine how entertaining that video would be. 🤣

[@geekiusmaximus1882]

You know it’s a good day when Venom has gone full Lazertarg

[@merafirewing6591]

@@geekiusmaximus1882 a very good impression.

[@robert506007]

Hmmmm I wonder would "Lazertarg" be willing to stop in for a visit?

[@illegalclown]

I once described him as Drachinifel adopting the love child of TrekYards and Lazerpig.

[@DrewLSsix]

Phaserpig?

[@sharlin648]

@@DrewLSsix PhazerTarg :D

[@colresswesker8912]

General Chang once described the Vesper Class as "A tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

[@weldonwin]

Was that before or after he was done, manically spinning in his chair?

[@darranhirose8153]

Andorian Pierre Sprey is not what I was expecting but hey, thumbs up for that.

[@weldonwin]

Andorian Pierre Sprey isn't real, Andorian Pierre Sprey can't hurt you... Andorian Pierre Sprey:

[@lyinarbaeldeth2456]

I heard the music and became giddy with anticipation. Then you went full Lazertarg and I was gleeful. This was fantastic.

[@weldonwin]

I thought they were Disruptorpig?

[@samuelvine]

Not me scanning the comments section for Drachinifel... over and over again.

[@wise_guy4230]

I have to admit, I was hoping for a reply from Drach too.

[@Canoby]

Klingon Armata T-14 is trash! Glad to see another LazerTarg fan here

[@Assman45ACP69]

I love how crudly the pic of Sprey was done in MS Paint!

[@mleadenham1]

I love a good PhazerTarg subspace podcast!

[@TimothyChapman]

Equipping a ship with lasers in an era where ship's shields and hulls are becoming increasingly immune to lasers is such a marvelous idea. What could possibly go wrong?

[@weldonwin]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but hadn't lasers been rendered fully obsolete by the dawn of the 23rd century?

[@TimothyChapman]

@@weldonwin I wouldn't know the answer to that.

[@weldonwin]

@@TimothyChapman As far as I understand, Lasers were a viable weapon in the 22nd century when full shield systems were rare, but by the time of the 23rd century, shields were standard across the fleets of all major nations and Lasers couldn't even scratch them

[@geekiusmaximus1882]

@@weldonwin”Fully obsolete”? I wouldn’t say so. “A very dated weapons system that had already reached its effectiveness ceiling but was still used because it worked well enough and we haven’t invented phasers yet?” Yes, I would say so, by the 2220s or 30s. At least in the role as a primary weapon system on a starship, they were still moderately effective as point defense, although advancements in torpedo technology increasingly put that position in Jeopardy. There’s a reason why phase cannons were overwhelmingly preferred as the primary energy weapon on the bigger ships of the time

[@girlgarde]

@@weldonwin And by 2365, lasers couldn't even scratch the most delicate parts of the Enterprise-D so when a ship with lasers pointed its weapons on the Enterprise, Picard and Riker made jokes to each other in response.

[@nickgnip4]

I like you using the TIE Fighter analogy - I've always thought the Fighter Mafia's 'Blitzfighter' concept was basically a TIE in real life, and the whole idea was them basically j*^*ing themselves off over what awesome manly pilots they imagined themselves to be (or in the case of Sprey wished they were). An Admiral promoting the Vesper-class as a fantasy to let him relieve his imagined glory days (of a successful raid where he got lucky against incompetent opposition, a la Battle of Lissa), is a good parallel for Star Trek.

[@barrybend7189]

I'd honestly like to see a second part of the Admiralty looking at the Vespa and changing just about everything internally and turning it into a support ship to go alongside Excelsior and Ambassador classes as the California class equivalent.

[@maddlarkin]

TIE fighters drive me nutes because they just don't make sense in setting, there are never enough to fully swarm an opponent, I cannot believe that maintaining an over sized training and manufacturing pipeline is cheaper than just bolting a shield generator on and it with leave you front line warships either tied to logistics bases as they swing back to resupply with TIE's every engagment or dangerously lacking on fighter cover. Then in every bit of media they try and solve a problem they made (since shielded starfighters were the norm in the clone wars) with a bunch of heavier, upgunned and shielded TIE variants when anyone whose ever played X-Wing Balance of power can tell you the solution was to bolt a shield generator onto a TIE interceptor which instantly made it the most dangerous fighter in spade. (This has been bugging me a while 😊)

[@starhound45]

I like the fact that the tellarite is still in a motion picture uniform. Lovely touch.

[@JohnNathanShopper]

Captain Pierre Sprey! 😂 I really hate that I am EXACTLY the target demographic for VenomGeek Media.

[@stephenconroy5908]

Four Years War Battlespace series? OH MY GOD YES give this man a lifetime supply of Earl Grey!

[@user-xf2oz6gr2o]

You should not use the Lord's name in vain.

[@friday6448]

The fact that they railed against the Connie until it was successful, then they railed against the Excelsior until it was successful, is the perfect parody of the fighterplane mafia

[@direnightfury2038]

Don't worry, Constitution Mafia, you eventually win with the Constitution III, which took the name Enterprise from an massive unreliable gimmick called the Odyssey Class. No officer, I don't plan on using this phaser rifle for deletion purposes. Not at all.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

the connie mafia strikes again.

[@Traven158]

I always thought the Connie 3 was a peacetime replacement for the Luna Class. As a side note, I would like to hear Venom's take on the history of the Odyssey class. Is it a 24th-century design? A 25th-century design? An early 25th century design made in the 24th Century but not fully realized until the 25th century? And how many variant designs does it actually have?

[@Shinyspddmn]

The Connie III should've been an Exeter class

[@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 Don't really think in this case as the Conni III is essentially the Shangra La class just bigger and meaner, Think what happened is someone knew the Conni-Mafia was likely going to push eventually another attempt of shoving that pathetic design again and basically got to starfleet first proposing a updated version of the Shangra-La class bigger meaner, and capable, then slapped Conni III title on it to basically humiliate the Conni-Mafia. At least in Picards timeline its the case. In STO that little gremlin did make it into service only cause the Federation was in a conflict with the Klingons and everything else that happened prior to that, that the conni-mafia got what they wanted and had the vespa built and in numbers too. The only saving grace is that by the time your character enters the game and goes up rank these embarrassments apparently were at the cusp of being phased out as the Federation started introducing newer ship designs. I say this given that almost anyone and everyone that plays that game automatically gets rid of the Vespa at the first opportunity.

[@schiefer1103]

Connie III is really just a shangri-la after lots of botox

[@occultatumquaestio5226]

That old guard duo of an Andorian admiral and Tellarite admiral each had the interesting dynamic. I'm sure a few of these ended up being built, being a "post-scarcity" society means a very big classified black budget. Quite the take of the Vesper class. Lots of lasers involved. I wonder if you'll do videos of the mafias on 22nd century designs.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

which 22nd century designs the Rockwell mafia?

[@NotQuiteSteele]

@@venomgeekmedia9886NOOOOO

[@NotQuiteSteele]

@@venomgeekmedia9886NOOOOOO

[@the79]

​@@venomgeekmedia9886 I doubt anyone loved the Rockwell Class that served on one. It's a death trap. A widow maker.

[@occultatumquaestio5226]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 ; Daedalus mafia, T'varo mafia, D'kyr mafia, D-5 mafia, etc..

[@roberthilton5328]

I hope after that skewering of Starfleet design culture, there will be a video of the other Alpha Quadrant powers and their pet technologies pushed by their military dinosaurs - maybe something on the Romulan cult of the Plasma Torpedo and their designs trying to recycle past glories?

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

the romulans are very much affected by having a diametric design system. while the klingons are dicated by house rivalries

[@quentinking4351]

I have a headcanon that the Constitution class was accompanied by a massive infrastructure build out, and that everything was designed around a certain maximum size. The Excelsiors would be the maximum. Eventually the Federation would leap past that, and with ships like the Galaxy providing their own maintenance the need for "drydocks" was lessened. But every so often they'd make a smaller ship, something like Constitution, Excelsior, or Intrepid, that was meant for short durations and maxed out those old facilities. And I think the Vesper fits that idea perfectly. Also, maybe the Vesper was meant for export to Federation allies. No sensitive technologies, but still a big stick should the Klingons/Romulans try something sneaky.

[@SuperGamefreak18]

ok I Love this video for the Vespa, this is a hilarious story, the snark of this video was so priceless

[@bunit1701]

Never thought I would ever hear the phrase 'Huffing their own farts' on this channel! Huzza sir!

[@BrianAiken-xw3ih]

Love how the vesper looks like a half-step between excelsior class 1 and andromeda class

[@GuardianSaint1995]

i like to think that STO's Columbia class was the result of NX Mafia lead by the Vulcan's copy of Pierre Sprey from when they was in service in the Earth Romulan war.....we need a PhaserTarg of it too

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

@@GuardianSaint1995 I'm able to ignore the Similarities between the two. But it is poetic since both fought romulans in their day.

[@winkles2314]

I’m the only member of the Oberth Mafia.

[@Revkor]

because you got the name wrong. its the War Canoe Mafia

[@Ty-yt3lj]

Ok but unironically with how the Oberth wholesale replaced 3 different science ship designs that it probably shouldn’t have…

[@Euripides_Panz]

​@@RevkorThe internal Oberth mafia designation

[@Euripides_Panz]

Better than the go along get along Miranda mafiosos.

[@farshnuke]

I like this so much innovative and exciting lore from so little

[@Sp33ddialz]

Starships don’t need sensors! They don’t need torpedoes! Now have me speak endlessly about it on the Federation History channel

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Or get paid appearances for Kronos today.

[@reecewestmoreland6137]

"The Excelsior program cost the federation tax payer 2 Zillion credits"

[@turkur4738]

"literally no one had any interest in it" Not true! The Nyberrite Alliance and the Xindi Council expressed some interest in the Vesper-class design, but that fell through when President Gan Laikan eased export restrictions on Excelsior core technologies and Northrop - err, the Constitution Mafia were forced to definitively abandon the project.

[@gorillazzilla]

I always thought that the Vesper was a small batch ship design during the 2300s that was attempting to keep the Constitution line going while the new hull type, the Excelsior became the poster ship of the fleet.

[@JammyONE]

I don't know, the vice admiral sold me on the idea.

[@thomaszinser8714]

I'm pretty sure the segment with the Vice-Admiral is an insult to every single Tellarite in existence. Good stuff, though, love the video.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

@@thomaszinser8714 don't forget they enjoy it.

[@sonofeyeabovealleffoff5462]

Pierre Sprey IIIIIINNNNN SPPAAAAACCCEE... Lazerpig would be proud.

[@tylerbain8873]

Thank you for filling the Star Trek shaped, Lazerpig sized hole in my life I didn't even know existed with such incredibly in-depth, realistic and fun lore. :)

[@MSR-1701]

1:48 Hello, Ingram Class Schematic😎

[@Keryaken133]

I think this guy is the Lazerpig of Star Trek

[@QseftJohn]

So the problem with the Vesper Class was that it didn't have plasma cannons. You see, the Romulans use plasma weaponry and they deal with the Klingons quite well, so if we go back to plasma, the Klingons won't know what hit them.

[@EmonWBKstudios]

As soon as i realized what you were doing, I smiled for a good 30 mins.

[@ycplum7062]

Fyi, the torpedo-ram wasn't born from Battle of Lissa. They were semi-experimental (as was most ships during this transitional period) before the the battle. What the battle did was "proof" the concept. However, the battle was so chaotic and full of extenuating circumstances that it was just luck that ramming actually generated results.

[@willgillies5670]

Thing I love about the vesper is you can Juuust see the curves of the Ambassador class coming into formation.

[@GeofftheIronwolf]

Hope you also do the Excalibur class.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

@@GeofftheIronwolf "it's the biggest ship. The best ship..."

[@phoboskittym8500]

The Cony Mafia won out in the end, in Picard s03

[@raytrekker]

your voice is so good.i love to listen. i love it when you say the mafia :-)

[@oldtimefarmboy617]

Lasers as well as phasers. Think about it. You can easily see ships through their shields which means light easily passes into and out of shields. A good high powered laser (which is only light) could be used to damage a ships shield grid and then follow up with phasers (which are charged nadion particles) through the weakened or eliminated shield area to start carving up the hull of the enemy ship.

[@wise_guy4230]

You get extra cool points for the weightily implied nature of whom in current day is "huffing their own farts". Well done sir.

[@IAmTheAce5]

I “love” how saving money/resources always involves spilling the blood of personnel with primitive “reliable” tech with these “mafia”-types

[@BernddasBrotB7]

In a very cynical way, blood is just another currency from the strategic standpoint. It's just one which usually has a very poor conversion rate versus others and thus is seldom preferred by the wise if one can pay in any other. Add morality into the mix and yeah... Got to question what goes through their heads.

[@IAmTheAce5]

@@BernddasBrotB7 A false sense of machismo?

[@y_knot_tri]

Most of what starfleet does isn't combat related and frankly they always seem shorthanded so I don't think it would be bad to field some cheap ships just to get their numbers up. Though it would have been a mistake to base the whole fleet around the idea.

[@eddierudolph8702]

That mission would be called a present mission, this smaller ship sails around an area and reminds the locals that if you mess with us or our friends we are watching you.

[@mateo_sid]

love the behind the scenes play xD

[@dabluflcn]

I loved the STO Vesper and was kind of bummed out when I first played the game and realized it was just a starter ship to be abandoned in the cruiser line. I would have liked it to be an Excelsior variant.

[@Hartzilla2007]

Well unless you get one of the T6 Connies running around.

[@dabluflcn]

@@Hartzilla2007 Really? I fell out of the game a long time ago

[@khidorahian]

@@dabluflcn yep, you can get two, the temporal light cruiser, or the legendary miracle worker light cruiser. Both cost a pretty penny however...

[@Hartzilla2007]

@@dabluflcn Yeah, but one is a promo box and the other is in a over $100 ship pack though you can get the lockbox one free as a reward for a big mega event they've been doing the last few years.

[@lynngreen7978]

It looks like JJ Abrams Ambassador-Class. Which makes it about 1200m long, with 90 decks, and a crew of 10,000.

[@TheDogGeneral]

@@lynngreen7978 Andrew probert's original design for the Enterprise NCC 1701 - c looks way more elegant

[@illegalclown]

I'm telling you, the Starfleet reformers would have lost us the Dominion war.

[@BernddasBrotB7]

You know, I never imagined an Andorian wearing tweed for some reason. Also, I wonder if Kirk was a member of the Constitution Mafia? Or was he just nostalgic for HIS ship?

[@madkabal]

. Maybe if "Coni Mafia" said ''But Vesper Class goes BBBBBBRRRRRRRRRRTTT!!!!!!" they would have succeeded in getting an obsolete simple ship into service :)

[@spencerjones841]

Why build a Vesper when you can build a Miranda instead.

[@entropy11]

given the prominent phaser strips, this would put the Vesper solidly in late lost era at the earliest, would it not? It definitely feels a younger design than the Ambassador.

[@nitehawk86]

"Ships they are already qualified to operate." Was that an MCAS reference? nice.

[@Jay-ln1co]

One thing that I got to thinking, what is the ratio of classic starfleet ships (with the single hull, saucer, and nacelles on upswept pylons) to every other design? For every Constitution, Excelsior, Galaxy and Sovereign, there's plethora of designs without a hull, with more or fewer than two nacelles, nacelles mounted in different arrangements, etc. It almost feels like the classic ships design is very purpose built and outside of the Excelsior aren't that long lasting in service.

[@johnn9977]

Good information

[@michaeldelaney1058]

Whenever I look up Vesper class images, I can't tell if it even has a shuttlebay. I actually kind of like the design in a retro kind of way, but it also seems very simple like it has nothing new and better to offer and therefore does not warrant its own construction.

[@HomerSimpson-gr1uj]

Love how in the UFP there is basically unlimited this and that but they can't manage to find enough time and resources or inclination to standardize and properly upgrade ships.

[@vincentmottern-personal6372]

Is the split hull design what allowed Asia and constitution class to do the Super cruising?

[@carlosbot01]

Where the Hell is security 🤣

[@granttheprice]

Was that laser pig 🐖 lmao I love it

[@kipkipper-lg9vl]

this is legitimately very funny

[@short72hp1]

Do you ever use Eric Kristiansen Jackill's Blues? Jackill's Manuals ?

[@ionamoebam5931]

In the Vespa Class its easy to see the transition between Excelsior and Ambassador .

[@gridlock7425]

A hideous ship. Gangly limbs, fat front, it looks like a teenage excelsior

[@protox07]

Have a happy new year Venom Geek Media 98

[@ssjtruncks90]

when it comes to making ships on mass I'd figure that would be what classes like the Maranda and Nebula classes were in response to. a simple saucer and nacelle versions of their heaver cruiser counterparts.

[@patrick_j_lee]

15:00 Nice to see Hunter G's TOS Crossfield here!

[@baystated]

The best skill to have in the Federation ISN'T the ability to collaborate with folks from various cultures, it is the ability to say NO to various culture, in their unique way of saying no. With all the contrasting cultures of the member worlds, they can't get their way every time, and the diplomacy has to be strong in its ability to deftly deny each culture's wants, when they inevitably have to hear it.

[@SpockBorg5]

When you say four years war do you mean the fasa version or the axanar version?

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Closer to axanar. Through there's no reason there can't be another conflict in the 2250s

[@SpockBorg5]

Talking about the swift war

[@katsarelas1947]

This was…real? I thought it was just a conie idea for STO

[@yelwinmoisesacostaduarte8915]

yes it is, he is just fanfictioning

[@khidorahian]

Of course it was real! If it wasn't, he wouldn't be sitting around talking about it now, would he?

[@barrybend7189]

Honestly I feel the Vespa is the California class of the late lost era. Definitely not the best but built on good bones and did better than most would think instead of a unused design. Still mar it with the Andorian Sprey but it should be a fine recycled parts vessel to flesh out the fleet.

[@stevengreenland8492]

Why did Starfleet's ship designs take the "body" (under the saucer section) of the ship like the Jovia class and progressively thin out the rear to a bladelike structure like that of the Galaxy class?

[@ZafyrArt]

Oh you -know- a video about a Starship's gonna be good when it busts out the ol Pentagon Wars music.

[@Ty-yt3lj]

Didn’t expect to see the Asia come up as a precursor to the Constitution Mafia but here we are I guess

[@shanenolan5625]

Cheers

[@TerrenceChilds-xz3xu]

How long until we're talking about the Miranda class?

[@QseftJohn]

If its good enough to fight the Cardi then, its good enough to fight the Cardi now. The last word of a Miranda captain right before his ship got blasted by a Galor built with Dominion tech.

[@Euripides_Panz]

Miranda mafia

[@Traven158]

I mean, we did get a second Miranda in the Reliant class. (I know the Shi'Kahr...exists... but honestly, given the amount of Miranda's we see on screen during the TNG/DS9/Dominion War and afterwards, I doubt it was ever successful as a replacement.)

[@Mythteller]

The Vesper Class is the Section 31 starship class😉 As for the ship class, I see in my head canon as a federation star base long range patrol thank to the new Federation shipyard conglomerate formed in the TOS era in 2269 and saw exemplary service in the Cardassian War and then stricken from frontline service in 2398.

[@Hartzilla2007]

I just figure the Vesper was Starfleet seeing if they could get at least one more upgrade out of the Connie becuase they are loath to scrap a design unless they have to. It basically looks like trying to make a Constitution-class with Excelsior tech.

[@ZontarDow]

They love to tell upstart officers to fly under the radar sweep, which is a fancy way of saying they should push their ideas at Starfleet Command without mentioning them (and the credits you paid for their lectures)

[@yelwinmoisesacostaduarte8915]

18:10 was that rusia?

[@kommandantgalileo]

We now have a Constitution Mafia?!

[@lynngreen7978]

The Talarian Republic takes notes

[@chrisgurney2467]

Bulk out the secondary hull and it could be used as an intermediate transport type, basically a colony shuttle

[@patrickradcliffe3837]

8:36 I would think he have been railing against the ugly but capable Lancaster's. I would think he would have been proud of the Valley Forge's being the succesor to the Asia's. 9:14 not the Jovia class, but the Valley Forge's while capable left much on the table in evolution over the Lancaster's 9:52 I wouldn't call it elegant. Spindly and still blocky comes to mind when looking at it. Laser's interesting choice even a pointy stick can hurt I guess. The Asia was a unique technology demonstrator that had a convergence of luck and timing. Maybe I'm just part of that Pytor Velikiy mafia.

[@girlgarde]

While I imagine Kirk and Scotty being part of the Constitution mafia given his reaction to the Excelsior in Star Trek 3, even they would see the Vesper class as stupid and would simply want the Constitution class to be refitted and then later, larger versions of the Constitution class get made.

[@rueceless7580]

I think it was a mistake for Venom to got that route at all, the Vesper doesn't even look like its trying to fill the same niche in fleet doctrine it looks like a science or survey ship, I would have gone it was an attempt to replace the terrible Oberth class vessels with something that can actually take a hit.

[@MercShame]

If i didnt know i had clicked on this. I would think this is a lazerpig video about the f35. Same music and everything.

[@revenvrake7412]

You must be annoyed with how many different styles STO has for various ships all for the ship barbie stuff if you intend to treat each 'class' to its own video...

[@trevynlane8094]

Spar torpedoes did have one "successful" use that I've heard of. One was used in the first "successful" submarine attack, near the end of the American Civil War. The shock wave of the blast killed the subs' 8 man crew.

[@yf9856]

both please 8:00

[@intrepidgamer7942]

I agree

[@wedgeantillies66]

Madness, sheer madness and stupidity is best way to describe the vesper and its creators. Particularly when it came to their mistaken belief that it could ever be a viable or workable starship design.

[@UniversalChallenge4454]

I always rekconed that excelsior was what star fleet really wanted at the time the Lexington was what star fleet would go with for a while as Excelsior was very expensive initially and the development process was hell and the Shangri-La was starfleet first planned constitution replacement and was the next planned flag ship class and the legacy program was first conceived then the federation council saw the bill for shangri-la and the constitution refit come out and someone realised that the new vertical warp core worked best with a taller core as the refited the enterprise to test all the toys and she worked so well and the constitution refit were much cheaper and the Shangri-La was built would see service

[@TheFogeyGoth]

Someone's been watching Lazerpig! 🤣❤

[@hyocheolchoi6783]

Do you know about N. Korea? Just asking....

[@larrylambert1220]

The Vesper class. The unsung hero of Starfleet.

[@Sol-mr1lv]

I'm suddenly reminded of General Melchett from Blackadder

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Baah!

[@Doomrider47]

"Pfft "Multi Role Starships" are just a fad. Gimme a Connie thats Cheap as Shit Fast as Hell and Enough armor a stray comet'll tear her open." -Admiral P'Spreyy on the first and only outing of the AeroGavin class

[@eddierudolph8702]

A ship of that type could have useful compliment to Excelsior, in the presence mission and numbers also called the high low mix like the F15 and F16 in the US Air Force. Wouldn't the Shangri La class be more comparable to the Andor class than Connie?

[@Voltaic_Fire]

I hear the Vesper class remains popular in space Italy.