THE GREATEST TITLE RACE IN PREMIER LEAGUE HISTORY? | Full Debate

[@GeorgeJ-2023]

Lewis could say the sky is blue and the lads would disagree.

[@scenes4418]

Lewis actually cooked this episode😭

[@mybigmouth97]

Lewis is actually making sense, I don't get how they don't understand it.

[@Fkn_yeyseman]

Initially predicting Arsenal to win the league and now 'Bournemouth is a hard place to go' says it all really

[@elliot_____7538]

it’s a hard place for any team away, seen the same thing for city…

[@Fkn_yeyseman]

@ The same city who all the media are saying is ‘in crisis’? Yet above the arsenal ‘title contenders’ and aren’t making excuses about who they’ve lost to. Not saying it can’t be a hard fixture they completely outclassed us when we played them (Newcastle fan) but if Arsenal want to appear as true title contenders then you kinda waive your right to make those excuses.

[@rudymccann5893]

@@Fkn_yeysemanbravo 👏

[@jiahaogoh2822]

And this is the most vulnerable city has been in like 10 years literally lost 4 games in a row and arsenal are somehow still below them

[@nathangovender771]

Wait, Lewis is spitting facts? Did I wake up in the wrong universe?

[@EA.....]

Yeah, mine's is talking shite today. Give him back.

[@iispezza1792]

Agreed. Don't understand what the others are confused about. If you want to win the prem, you need to be beating on average top 2/3rds, maybe more, of the league. If you don't beat one, you need to make that up somewhere else. Arsenal have dropped points to teams they shouldn't have, now they need to make that back up with big wins in big games

[@BeJaminYeh]

@@iispezza1792 its because theo interrupts him constantly so he starts stuttering and making little mistakes even though his overall point is valid. Theo's annoying in how he treats lewis at points for content.

[@MS-do8ht]

ikr

[@YFOC_Beast]

Agreed for the most part but at the same time the fact that arsenal have played 11/12 of the top 12 realisticly they should get a better point per game average over the next 12 games And on top of that about halfway through the vid now and theo isn't actually overly bias

[@ethankinsler4411]

I actually agree with what Lewis is trying to say with arsenal should be expected to beat teams 8th and down, they are a team before the season started many thought would win the league or at very least challenge again, they should now be held to a higher standard and arsenal fans don’t help themselves lauding these players and coach as ‘world class’ yet trying to hold this underdog gimmick Liverpool have been guilty of before too

[@resellex5091]

Tbf it’s a long way to go still, we’ve also had some really tough fixtures with those dumb red cards. Bournemouth though is unacceptable and have a funny feeling we’ll end up in the same situation where if we’d won that we’d win the league. We don’t look great though honestly

[@IA-qs9mi]

@@resellex5091Bournemouth and brighton

[@yukonadventurexc]

Lewis is spot on! Drop points against teams you expect to win then you have to make some points up against a team you would usually be happy with a draw. Lewis actually cooked all 3 of you. Chef Lew.

[@benkoj6581]

So fed up of arsenal fans using the 10 men argument when its their own stupidity

[@mikibv8007]

irritating as hell. Lewis was 100% percent right. Their own fault

[@harleywaghorne]

tbf to lewis when klopp ten hag howe etc done it theo and reev were saying the same thing but thsts arsenal fans for ya

[@flow6014]

This video is a great testament to the fact I would not watch any of your content if Tom & Reev weren't part of Pitch Side

[@rLxJake]

Tom and reev actually watch football. That’s why we like them. Theo is a walking meme, and Lewis would rather play golf when Newcastle play.

[@fitzfitzchivalry4538]

They don't care you cringey simp.

[@kenzieclark3714]

tbf you can't deny lewis and theo do make it way more entertaining tho

[@fitzfitzchivalry4538]

@kenzieclark3714 yeah, if it was just tom and reeve these donkeys wouldn't watch. They just parrot what they see everyone else saying.

[@kkenairsoft]

Same as always: Tom moving the goalposts. Arsenal dropped points, now everyone is a tough game yet they've said Liverpool haven't played anyone tough yet. Get out of here with this shit. You have so many teams within 2 point of Arsenal, that is not contending for the title. That is contending for top of four.

[@harrisonwatts4857]

I don’t usually agree with Lewis but it was dropped points. That Chelsea team were there for the taking and both Liverpool and city win those

[@matty8814]

Common Theo L

[@fitzfitzchivalry4538]

Hilarious.

[@rLxJake]

Hahahahaha Debating “the greatest premier league title race” in November is such a pitchside thing.

[@dreed-ot5nc]

ikr i dont get why people always jump on the title race idea so early. tbh i dont think a title race can ever be fully established until at the very earliest second half of the season

[@bm0775]

No way theo was talking abt cole palmer not doing anything when saka got pocketed by cucurella the whole game a

[@48hoursfootball]

Maresca puts Palmer on a leash beacuse of his knock and Saka can do whatever he wants beacuse Arteta cant manage him properly. Yet Palmer makes chances and Saka gets marked out the game.

[@bugofcake]

This episode was so hard to watch. Lewis was making very good points and all 3 of the numskulls failed to understand what he was saying despite him explaining it what feels like a million times. Yes Chelsea is a hard place to win but you need to make up the points you lost to Bournemouth by getting 3 points at a fixture you don't expect to get it from

[@BeJaminYeh]

Because Theo interrupts him smarmily so he makes little wording mistakes. Glad it’s getting called out

[@ideliverls5397]

Me personally Lewis is spitting facts. The team winning the league this season will probably get minimum of 85pts. Max pts arsenal can get now is 100pts that means they can only drop max 15pts in their next 27 games.

[@adam-z9e2j]

tbf they went on 15 game win streak last season

[@ideliverls5397]

@ True but this season league is a lot more competitive n their players r being hit hard with injuries which barely happened before n these injuries don’t just go away. Only way they win the league for me is if they make massive signings in Jan to do that game win run. All it takes is 2 losses n 4 draws n the title is gone mathematically for me

[@themanwithnothingtolose]

🤣

[@BeJaminYeh]

Arsenal bias on this channel is getting annoying. Any other team it's "Bottle jobs. Slipped up. They're crap. No excuses" but with Arsenal they were never expected to beat bournemouth away? Even though they were predicted to win the league by some? I get it's funny to bash on Lewis but he's been nothing but spot on about Arsenal in his predictions and this season overall. Ten Hag, Klopp and Pep get mocked when they made excuses but Arteta it's just "A manager doing what manager's do."

[@juanhurtado3496]

You’re watching 50% arsenal fans what’d you expect?

[@BeJaminYeh]

@@juanhurtado3496 Even Tom though who's usually opinionated bends over for Arsenal these days

[@jomigs17]

Man city have lost 4 games in a row and you haven’t heard anything about it

[@IA-qs9mi]

@@jomigs17duh, because they have credit in the bank. They lost 3 on the trot last year too, still won the league 🤦‍♂️ dont be stupid

[@jomigs17]

@ arsenal lost form last December and brought it to the last day in the league last year. Yes they didn’t win but it’s not like this team cannot bounce back

[@maccamorrice3054]

This “easy run for Arsenal” isn’t easy. You’ve got forest who are playing well, palace away, Brighton away , you’ve got United under a new manager with a point to prove , you’ve got spurs and Villa in those aswell 😂 Arsenal haven’t shown anything that considers they get straight wins

[@jackhinks6287]

for the first time ever lewis is actually making sense and the other 3 are just not getting his point

[@48hoursfootball]

Lewis was spot on about Arsenal expectations. They predicted them to win the league. If they’re gonna win the league they have to be beating Bournemouth away from home.

[@alexrobert9609]

Lewis only spitting facts

[@anguswatson9720]

lewis is actually right about the manager comparison between ten hag and arteta, even though ten hag didnt have a clear philosophy at least he won 2 trophies whereas arteta hasnt.

[@maddoxpohlar4797]

Lewis is finally right on something. You all picked arsenal to win the league and be favorites, you have to expect to get 3 points from every team 8th and below, or else you’re expecting 3-4th

[@jamesgrannum3736]

Also, they say that they have played 10 out of the top 12 or what ever, but when they played alot of them, they werent. Like when they played Villa, they were 12th, when they played spurs, they were 13th, I think bournemouth was 11th, newcastle was also 12th when they played them. Tom was kinda right by saying the teams are higher now because they beat arsenal

[@Crohnzy8.]

Everyone has an injury crisis but when Liverpool lost all their cbs in a season and when they lost half their team for a large portion of last season it was always “stop making excuses”

[@scottp4357]

Yep, literally 3/4 of the first team out for half the season and still in the title race until April....compared to Arsenal who seemingly can't function without one player lol.

[@theohowe3106]

I hate how Arsenal fans tried to act like they would win the league and they’re one of the best teams itw and now they’re downplaying their expectations. Don’t act like u don’t want the league now

[@thejayofalltrades]

Lewis forgetting the camera is on him every video now is hilarious

[@tibinification]

I get lewis's point. To be a title winner, you have to be able to beat or not lose against teams below 7th/8th. That gives you a cushion to drop points against the top 7 teams.even if you draw in those 14 games, that's 28 points dropped, but if you then drop more points against the teams below 7th, then you would be dropping more than 30 points and that won't even get you 2nd. when you drop points against bournemouth and Newcastle, you can't then see a draw at stamford bridge as a good result. I understand stamford bridge is a tough place to go, but if you drop points elsewhere you have to get some points against the big teams. If arsenal draw against all the other teams in the top 8, that's still 86 points as long as you win every other games. That's enough to win the title this year probably. However, arsenal lost to bournemouth and Newcastle, that's an extra 6 points lost. They have 4 points from the 5 games they played against the top 8 teams, which means they've already dropped 11 points in those games . They have 9 games against the top 8 remaining, and they can drop like maximum of 10 points those games, while beating every other team below 8th. That's tough.

[@asagough5445]

Why is Lewis actually talking sense in this video

[@King-yc6pn]

City’s squad has been very thin for years now and the fans have been calling for strengthening the squad but they’ve been very smart with the transfers and we have got through quite luckily without major injuries. Now it’s very clear we need to bring in lots of players in the January window

[@SB20001]

WHY CAN'T WE WATCH THE FULL POD ON SPOTIFY 😢😢😢

[@lordmcjeffrie5776]

Difference between arteta and slot is slot will say when we were poor. Arteta "it's a disgrace"

[@fhydgjskudhdbdjdnn]

Big difference from klopp making non stop excuses tbf

[@DJR05]

24 minute video about the title race and the team in 4th are the majority of the convo, sounds about right

[@nickburnify]

2.50-3.10, what a delightful audio experience, cheers lads

[@tools_1805]

12:15 Liverpool never had a 14 point gap 😂

[@adam-z9e2j]

it was 'only' 11 😂😂😂 dont dismiss the biggest bottlejob of all time by your team you mong 😂

[@ibrahimali4869]

Some of the crap these lot talk is diabolical 😂

[@nathangovender771]

1 point separating 3rd and 9th is crazy

[@frzerj8962]

Lewis is completely right. If Arsenal drop points when it’s meant to be a 3 point game and get 1 let’s say u need to go on and get those 2 points back from a team ur happy with a point before hand as with the same logic if u drop the 2 points but get the rest when ur meant too ur still down points without picking it back up he just got over ruled on it and didn’t overly convey his point with what he meant for it but fully makes sense from how they seem to be viewing it

[@alphazero5421]

A rare Lewis W. It doesn't happen much but he was right Arsenal should be beating teams 8th and below, it's why Man City and Liverpool are consistently so good.

[@Takanekoandele]

Reev and Theo is the embodiment of Arsenal fans, disgusting

[@scottp4357]

Yep, it's like watching 2x Ty from AFTV. Absolutely deluded and treats any criticism of Arsenal as a personal attack. Exhausting to watch.

[@48hoursfootball]

They pick out certain words being said and only hear the negatives. If its worded to sound positive they would all agree with it.

[@iestyn3676]

Reev and Theo’s only argument is “we had to play top half teams away from home” as if you could ever hope to win the league without doing that 🤦‍♂️

[@Johnnyalanwrench]

Granted lewis talks a lot of bollocks but I feel like because of it the rest of the boys just disregard everything he says even on the rare occasions he’s making sense. Arsenal haven’t performed like a team challenging for the league so far and should be criticised for it considering winning the league should be their target this season.

[@tombroadbent204]

Bielsa’s Leeds didn’t get found out in his second season. They had the worst injury crisis I’ve ever seen and didn’t have the squad depth to deal with it

[@jamesgrannum3736]

they say that they have played 10 out of the top 12 or what ever, but when they played alot of them, they werent. Like when they played Villa, they were 12th, when they played spurs, they were 13th, I think bournemouth was 11th, newcastle was also 12th when they played them. Tom was kinda right by saying the teams are higher now because they beat arsenal

[@billyegan4215]

Reev said a whole lot of nothing 5:39

[@gowanjai6704]

3:40 lewis seeing hes on cam😂

[@JamieLeach-ce1cv]

More like 3:43

[@steakpuddingable]

Lewis was so right the entire of this video 😂

[@countingcards1208]

Lewis is right. These are games that Arsenal SHOULD win based on the last 2 seasons. This was really their chance to win the league with Rodri injury and they’ve fucked it up.

[@k1wiz790]

Lewis is 100% correct. Stop ignoring his point.

[@imraancoovadia9087]

How are they disagreeing with Lewis ? He’s spot on

[@keirpage8233]

Lewis is absolutely spot on

[@itsjordsuk]

Liverpool may now drop points? Last 6 games was apparently solid games we made it look easy next 6 we will do the same

[@Lukqru]

gotta love lewis' arsenal agenda

[@JoshKEditz]

Why is Lewis right this time WHATT😭😭

[@sansomsspecialistcars8162]

I’m siding with Lewis on this one. If Arsenal want to win the league they HAVE to be picking up 3 points against the top teams that’s how you win the leagues. If you’re being lenient and saying “ahhh yeah but Chelsea are good, they’re 3rd and Liverpool are so so good right now I’ll take a draw” that isn’t the mindset of a title winning team. You NEED 3 points against the big boys

[@kieronconstantine7306]

I kind of agree with Lewis. I’m a Liverpool fan and in 18-19, 19-20, 21-22 every game except for City away in our minds was a guarantee 3 points and that’s the attitude you need to have to win the league. Especially in this era with City raising the level in terms of points.

[@ASOLF_FC]

i like it when they put in the title of the video greatest title race in the pl and then talking about fucking arsenal for 90% of the video

[@lewisbeadling779]

Lewis is right here, to be winning the league you’ve got to be hitting 90 min point and dropping points like they, through there own mistakes. Arsenal haven’t clicked like they have last few seasons and they won’t be there end of the season. The standard city have set last few seasons arsenal can’t compete and haven’t this season

[@Ace-cc2wl]

The logic of arsenal fans “I don’t think city can win at Anfield.” Reev says “which is exactly why they could do it.” The logic is not there

[@JAMGAM-pb9rf]

As someone that doesn’t usually watch this podcast the main guys seem to have an animosity towards Lewis. Not in a deep way, just that a lot of his points are reasonable but are either shut down or undermined by the others. Just an observation idk if it’s just their general dynamic

[@herncabret]

Struggling to see how a draw isn't dropping points regardless of who you play

[@scotttocs]

Lewis is right. A team 'challenging' for the title should expect 3 points from a team that isn't a title rival. I good point away against an in form team is good but Arsenal should expect to win. Their mentality is not one of champions.

[@antran0696]

another day, another video of lewis rattling delulu arsenal fans

[@JamesElliott-y8f]

When arsenal going understand after this start your not in title race anymore

[@calebmellor9717]

To be winning the league which is what their goal is as we’ve heard over and over from Arsenal fans you’re looking at 90 points or more, having not won 6 games already mounts that pressure massively. You can’t afford to draw some of these games after dropping points to others!

[@olyZyeH]

I’m ngl, Lewis is right for once

[@henrikwalters2409]

Gotta say, Lewis is genuinely correct in what he’s saying here. I don’t know how anyone else on the panel isn’t getting what he’s talking about.

[@Nick-rt9tx]

I’m sorry but this show is better without Theo. Any bad comment about Arsenal and he loses it. Think he is the one who needs to be level headed, rather than just plain rude when someone isn’t agreeing with his comment

[@BeJaminYeh]

I don’t like genuinely how he smarmy interrupts Lewis when he tries to talk make Lewis stutter and make simple mistakes when his overall point is valid. It ain’t funny either

[@7hazza]

Want to talk about stats Theo. Only 1 team has been top of the table at Christmas and not won the league… arsenal… 3 times

[@mattiemather4040]

This isn’t Lewis first time Lewis makes sense. Boys need to listen with less ego

[@Mr4thQTR]

Lewis is on here! Arsenal set their own standard, and they should absolutely be beating any team 8th and below home or away. You can't have title winning expectations but also make excuses for dropping points or losing to mid table teams.

[@OMEGASZN]

I find it funny how toms the only one on that side of the table acting like he's got the plague

[@vedhatriks30]

Theo and Reev can't be apart for too long

[@cfcwestbrook5366]

I’m 10 mins in and Lewis is spitting facts how is what he’s saying confusing, I think the boys don’t even listen to him because of his past takes but absolutely nothing wrong with what he’s saying, factually he’s correct tbh

[@JackEllis151]

Will be sticking bets on everything Tom said in this based on the fact he’s literally holding a crystal ball

[@douglasjharding]

Brighton switched from a double pivot in build up in the first half to a single pivot in build up in the second half. So, they tested Man City defense much more in the second half, and that is the main reason they won the match. Not nearly as simple as City just “switching off” in the second half.

[@HJKS230]

Reev tell Tom to address the allegations

[@matth3wrey989]

What ones

[@SASMADBRUV7]

There's new allegations. What's happened now

[@angus0000]

You mean about the old tweet? You realise he’s talking about Adam Johnson

[@EA-hz9mg]

@@angus0000definitely not that is it

[@Eddie-ec8co]

If Liverpool drew with Chelsea it would rightly be considered as “dropped points” Arsenal drawing with Chelsea being considered as a “gained point” proves they are out of this title race.

[@bodyconcept2054]

In Januray, Arsenal fans will say they are 5th. Because theyve had to play 19 of the top 20 teams in the premier league.

[@jackjohnson156]

Lewis , the guy with the most ball knowledge on this pod

[@mikibv8007]

Lewis was 100% right, if you claim that Arsenal are title contenders, you need to hold them at a higher standard (they keep comparing Ars to New). That is what both Reev and Theo get wrong season after season, they are ok with the excuses, and thing is, if you want to be champions, there are no excuses, if a mistake is made, if points are dropped, champions are not content and fix it. For once I thought that Theo was less biased than Reev, and that-s saying something, Theo still does not know how to argue/debate, he gets defensive and extreme, but the concerns he was bringing up are correct.

[@IA-qs9mi]

Lewis is 100% right, Tom , reev and theo are horribly wrong. In this standard of league where the winner has reached 90+ points 6/8 times in the pep era (once 89), its absolutely expected that arsenal should be beating 2/3s of the league to win it. Essentially 13 teams. 8th-20th. That would be 26 wins right there, which in most seasons would have you almost guaranteed to win the league. Having Obviously no team is perfect but the expectation should at least be there in order to have a decent chance of winning the league. These idiots dont understand the value of 3 points as opposed to 1/0 in a city title race. He’s completely right, Arsenal will either have to beat both city/liverpool to have a chance of winning the league. Its exactly the reason why a draw at the etihad last season was insignificant for arsenal. Because they dropped points elsewhere they HAD to make it up vs city. They didnt.

[@dylanc9498]

It’s just getting a bit repetitive now having the same conversations about Newcastle/Arsenal every pod

[@BlazD-he5cn]

I love how Tom is mentioning city’s injury list while Brighton ALSO have one of the worst injury lists in the league and still beat City anyway.

[@48hoursfootball]

Different levels tho to be fair. Brighton don’t rely on individual world class players. City do and 2 of them are missing. Brighton can rotate there squad easier then city can. But with that being said its still an upset and Brighton played really well.

[@garethparry6673]

This show reminds me of the TV show Rainbow😂😂😂😂

[@TheSultanRi]

Arsenal are slowly becoming like totenham lmao

[@BigP_23]

Bielsa didn’t get figured out. We failed to make any significant signings in the summer after our first season in the Prem and suffered an injury crisis. The found out narrative is lazy assumptions from those who didn’t follow the situation at the club closely enough.

[@josecunha9664]

I see what Lewis is saying, but I think he doesn't express himself the right way. If go in the beginning of every game and say your expected result for arsenal vs bournemouth you'd probably say it's an hard fought win. Losing those points makes it so when you play games where you expect to draw you have to make it up and go and win, like chelsea. Especially considering you are gaining points on direct rivals. Those game are virtually a 6 point battle, plus 3 for you and not plus 3 for them.

[@BeJaminYeh]

It’s because Theo interrupts him the moment he tries talking it’s the worst kind of trait

[@JG-dg6ty]

Channel should be called BOWDENSIDE. Lewis speaking facts as always

[@finleygoulding4342]

Arsenal should be winning every game that’s the standard a title winning team should have. But their fans just excuse results when they drop points. City is weakened and Liverpool are playing a completely new system, Arsenal should be top of the table with the experience and quality they have, that’s all Lewis is saying.

[@TheSultanRi]

lewis cooking?? lmao what is happening

[@carsonwalch47]

No team has ever came back from a 9 point deficit. Arsenal are out of the race

[@adityachithrasen820]

First lewis W take

[@khabibsson7122]

I know a lot of people don’t, but I appreciate you Theo❤

[@Theo_Bakers_hairline]

Anybody notice Theo just copying what Tom said on sunday watching the game. Theo said sunday palmers been bad, tom said hes been involved just didnt produce anything. Theo today 'he was involved in a lot of things just didnt finish anything' 😂😂

[@A.0G.]

The fact is arsenal so far have only picked up maximum points in 5/11 of their games… that’s nowhere title winning form. I completely agree with Lewis, the others just keep saying “that’s harsh” but it’s just the reality of if you want to win the league you have to find a way to get 3 points more often.

[@vedhatriks30]

Even if Arsenal win the next 5, the only game I see Liverpool dropping points is Newcastle away. 6 point gap still minimum

[@nickchivers9029]

Nah never sleep on City they could definitely turn up in December and beat us.

[@dylanculshaw6977]

Lewis is spot on here. Just look at arsenal, just before they played liverpool at the emarites, they were behind in the table after back to back losses to west ham and fullham. They made those points back by beating liverpool and they got back in the race. Drawing to chelsea can only be seen as dropped points considering the position they're in.

[@frazerbeauchamp]

Mate Lewis is talking sense if your gonna win the league you should 100% be beating teams like Brighton and Bournemouth and the teams around you that is the standard to win the league which is what all these Arsenal fans have been saying they would this year

[@nonofyourbuisness8373]

14:30 their mainstays in the team over the last however many years are mentally and probably also physically burnout especially after completing football by winning the treble. And unlike recent years where they’ve spent less money but spent it smartly, the likes of donuts and Matheus nunes are starters and that’s really not that impressive. Of course injuries is a massive factor but I just think people are overlooking players like de Bruyne being burnt out

[@EannaFallon]

Theo and Reev going against their own logic. At the start of last season, Lewis was saying the same thing but they told him "everyone plays the same teams". Lewis spitting facts today

[@jiahaogoh2822]

How can arsenal win the league if they are justifying losing to bournemouth and not getting the points back from harder teams

[@ryanwood7254]

First time I’ve agreed with Lewis. 4 points off 2nd but also 4 points off 13th