The Guild System Win Incident -- Loot drama

[@Driftbye]

If you have crazy drama that your server has gone through, lets hear it!

[@sampel3660]

In my niche small server a famous RL mined arcane crystal in ZG pug, main tank demanded it was rolled, the RL kept the arcane crystal for himself and then main tank left and started spreading the word all around worldchat. This incident was highly remembered even years before. It's the drama that fuels the hype for a new fresh every time.

[@Hyehowareyou]

@Driftbye on rattlegore there was some dude who sold nikes, he did a bunch of rmt, crashed the arcane crystal market during aq event so he could get 5 scarab lord titles on 5 different chars.

[@empty_4L]

2020 whitemane, peak gaming

[@Driftbye]

o7

[@gogrrr]

Fun to see some old wow classic drama come up, I've seen some myself, but never bothered to make a video about it, just had a few in-guild memes about it. In my experience drama always lead to guild destruction.

[@Jas2davir]

Guild i was in was running a pug to fill, we downed Illidan and the trinket dropped, i know the pug warlock was playing his single main and he was top dps, when they called for rolls i refused to roll and guild officer in the raid who was not running it was sperging out at me, i refused to roll and the warlock pug won. Needless to say my alt was never invited back to any guild runs.

[@Driftbye]

@@Jas2davir a hero

[@fckihate69jokes]

in my guild, refusing an upgrade is penalty. you'd get deducted points equal to the value of the said piece. of course pugs are different. if they didnt want to have to pug and risk the said pug to get anything, they shouldnt have pug'd in the first place.

[@karkashan]

My SOD guild used MS/OS +1 for our raids, which kept down the drama. And watching these loot drama videos YT has rec'd me recently made me glad we used such a system.

[@Firesealb99]

Taking the free xfer to smolderweb was the best choice I made that year. Whitemane was so toxic, and the 8 hour server queues were soul crushing.

[@omfgupwnkenny]

A few weeks into Cata, about our 6th week of running all 3 raids and I’m still stuck with a shitty BOE 81 trinket as my last piece of gear before I’m in full purps. I’m one of my guilds only healers, and our second healer was out for the week. We pugged some random who was in a lot of blues and questing greens, which is fine. Since I don’t need any of the gear, we funneled the pug all the healer gear. Finally comes time for Cho’Gall. We down him, and the healing trinket (Fall of mortality) finally drops! I roll for it, the pug rolls for it. He wins by a landslide. Sucks, but fair is fair and he won the trinket. Dude ends up saying “actually, give to the priest, I got enough gear for the night” and I end up getting the trinket, that I’m still using to this day. Absolutely chill dude

[@kosherb8803]

This happened 2 weeks ago in a Kazzak pug with on WG. ED drops and my Saber Slash rogue had the highest roll. Uncomfortable pause and then the Muti rogue and feral Druid roll on it in quick succession. I’m sure there was a panic in /g. Went to the Rogue who already had epic daggers. That’s the pug life. In fairness the rogue just has to switch runes to have it be MS but I know he had no intention of rolling on it going in.

[@hazatheonly]

During classic I raided mc in a guild from release to naxx. Took till 3 weeks before tbc before I got my wild growth, I saw it go to so many paladins who quit the game. If I ever see molten core again it'll be too soon

[@Zaraena1618]

It’s the best part of server discords is to check the bans and reasons 🥰

[@GamingDualities]

Actually these ban list servers have are easy to abbuse and manipulate. If u pressure enough u cns get people banned from server. At the end lose lose for everyone. Many of these stories have 2 sides

[@loganjohnson9322]

I was in this guild, i was in this raid. This video only covers the tip of the iceberg, theres a lot of detail missing here, such as the pug warrior being arms in alliance raids, and wanted to claim the sword should automatically go to him when it dropped because it was MS>OS and he was the only warrior in the raid "maining" 2 handed weapons. Ask me anything if your curious.

[@WorldReeels]

it really sounds like youre trying to justify the act, which u literally cant

[@MomijiSour]

In retail a yearish ago, got into the season fairly late and joined my guild's alt raid night to get my feet wet. GM was on the phone for the first half of the entire raid and set their character to follow their spouse so they could still count for loot. That was already kind of stupid but after a boss clear, I got up to use the restroom during a trash pull and the raid leader lectured me for like 5 minutes about how we're all here to take this seriously and how it's disrespectful for me to just decide I get to get up and leave whenever i want when we have bathroom breaks planned (which wasn't true). The GM didnt hear this because they were on the phone and not actually playing. I finished the raid and left the guild immediately after. First and last time raiding with them.

[@KyosukeYexil]

Quit wotlk classic after a friend invited me to their guild, they needed a feral replacement because their last feral dipped after grabbing DBW, I told him I really just wanted DBW and I was down to raid with them (this was all on heroic). DBW dropped like 4+ times I think, the "loot council" always gave it to themselves and their friends, despite me being one of or the highest dps, and I was always told "don't worry, you'll get the next one." After they gave the last one to one of the lowest DK dps, I quit guild and left discord when everyone was offline, dude messaged me later saying "why'd you quit, you were getting the next one!"

[@Driftbye]

@@KyosukeYexil I feel for ya

[@TheWickermaN43]

Had something similar happen to me during Wrath, i was playing hunter pugging ICC25, DBW drops i win the roll and RL "accidently" gave it to a warlock ( who was his friend ), warlock refused to trade it to me saying " it's a bug i dont have it on my bags" and after we wiped on Festergut Raid disbanded, i spammed RL and he was like " Idk warlock has it " 2 hours later i stalk his Armory and he has it equipped and the next day he name changed ( He had an arena team with the warlock so i found him again) . I went back and forth with blizzard for 1 week, they deleted the item from the guy but when i asked if they're gonna give me the item they said " we cant do that sorry " which made me hate wow and every guild based game ever since. Heck i'm still mad at that guy fuck him

[@Driftbye]

@@TheWickermaN43 oof man that sucks

[@Zoux-ol3lf]

The guild falling apart is punishment enough. On one hand, it is a serious failure of character to pull an outright rugpull ninja like that. Even minor loot shenanigans never sat right with me. On the other, the pressure to secure loot for your guild is immense. Especially early in classic, when everyone was trying to earn legitimacy and build an effective raid team. Making his raiders happy at the expense of a pug could make the difference between having a full raid next week and having to pug yet another week in a row. Which means more lost loot and more time for your raiders to get offers from other guilds or just leave for greener pastures. Once that starts happening the raid team will typically not recover because it will hemorrhage players as fast as they can be recruited, and the most valuable players tend to be the ones to go early. It is a hard choice to make. He made the wrong call, he was punished for it. Permanently losing the ability to organize raids and having to live on as a server meme was the cost. That he chose to stay on the server instead of the usual server-hop-repeat of the chronic ninja makes me think he made a bad call for a bad reason, but an understandable one. Speaking of crazy drama, when are you going to do a deep dive video on our biggest mistake, the despicable and frankly just bald streamer known as HodeyTV?

[@Driftbye]

Coming up, Dark history of twitch streamers, HodeyTV, is it possible to be THAT bald

[@Spacez0]

@@Driftbye Corner of my eye, finding nemo

[@shoeby9273]

RIP Nostalrius.

[@koreyp360]

I pugged a Onyxia in P1 and Deathbringer dropped. I won the roll, and they almost took it from me. The excuse was because I was a undead warrior Vs a Orc warrior. I was a god with that wep P1.

[@LittlePounder]

Maximo the paladin ( Whitemane) was denied his Judgement Gloves (by those who will remain unnamed) despite having DKP prio because of backdoor deals. Imagine carrying raids as the top healer (efficiency GOAT) for months and being selfless by giving up numerous BIS healing gear to save up DKP and work towards the one thing you never got in WoW Vanilla. Paladin Judgement Tier 2. And so the gloves dropped, and excited as I was to finally spend the DKP I had long saved up for on an item that surely would be uncontested (because let's be real, it's just tier gloves after all), only to be dismissed and told that there were "better" healing gloves that came in cloth/leather (Min/Max Mentality killed WoW imo). REAL Paladins wear plate. Period. I never got my Judgement, and they tried to buy me off with Lok'amir il Romathis when it dropped shortly after, but the damage was already done. I remained the selfless paladin and passed on it to my shadowpriest buddy (because friendship/guildies/honour means something to me). I think the guild fell apart shortly after. A dastardly betrayal to say the least. I would never join another WoW guild. Fin. P.S. Kitha is a hoe xD

[@rukicar2260]

Good old days paladins looking badass wearing full judgement set. Now everyone wears same dress.

[@LittlePounder]

@@rukicar2260 If I wanted to wear a dress I would have rolled a priest.

[@chadnedin]

[@LittlePounder]

@@chadnedin I am now "drowning" with joy >;)

[@pound3r]

​@@chadnedinhoree shizzit! Face to the name!

[@billymiller6709]

I'd give it to the warrior too.Since it benefits the warrior more than it does, the hunter

[@GamingDualities]

If u need it u roll for it. Simply as that.

[@nikolaikalashnikov4253]

...in *_Vanilla_* you couldn't trade *_BoP_* items... ...but in a later expansion, they gave you a one-hour trade window on *_BoP_* items... ...so, i am curious if they gave you guys that feature in *_Classic_* ??? (or not)

[@Driftbye]

@@nikolaikalashnikov4253 they did add this to classic, not sure if it was during molten core, could have been

[@facehurter2394]

@@Driftbye it was, yes

[@sharky8442]

5:55 vanillashark time travel spotting

[@Driftbye]

true

[@valfader]

Shit like this is why I stopped raiding.

[@Driftbye]

Whats wow without loot drama

[@valfader]

@@Driftbye It's not so much about the loot as it is about the disrespect. If loot rules are clearly agreed upon in advance and people still ignore them just to ninja loot or give their own friends and guild mates an unfair advantage, that's something I refuse to be a part of. Others might disagree, but I have played this game for 20 years (Jesus..) and just don't have it in me anymore.

[@mattmckern3644]

lol on lonewolf sod does this shit 😂 to point they renamed to to do it more

[@Driftbye]

lmao

[@mattmckern3644]

@@Driftbye lol they even have hidden loot rules for pugs on their discord that’s behind a pay wall Theirs a 150+ post on lonewolfs blacklisted just for them

[@DeFeqtive]

This is why I don’t play Vanilla. A ton of geriatrics playing an overtuned game who turn everything into Of Mice and Men the second something drops they didn’t get twenty years ago when they were getting carried by someone else.

[@Despond]

Has nothing to do with age though. People are doing this any age, and only because of retails new system do you see less of it.

[@mikeclarke3990]

Now we just HR the rare awesome items so eh

[@PsDnK]

He should have been punished

[@klyxx8990]

5:13 "You're mentally unstable and your guild sucks" that is really funny to me I'm also mentally unstable

[@sampel3660]

Imagine signing up for guild pugs lmao this loot mafia happens every time. GDKP is The system

[@ericsilva7430]

The loot system is the biggest flaw on Wow; loot gear should be individual and not tradeable; being able to ninja loor or use master loot to reserve loot is retarded and should not exist. All this drama of Ninja Loot, GDKP, gold selling, etc. would be mostly fixed if the loot system where lock on individual and not tradeable. The max players would be able to do is buy a raid spot.

[@toffeelatte6042]

And that is why Master Loot was removed.

[@ericsilva7430]

@@toffeelatte6042 Classic need this, that what i'm saying... This stuff have no reason to exist other than allowed people to steal loot or explore the work of random players... leveling a hunter on Sod, but the ideia of having to deal with this make wana play retail...

[@nikolakpg]

I won off hand Glaive in a pug

[@Driftbye]

Like on a roll?

[@nikolakpg]

@@Driftbye yeah

[@Blundabus1337]

Bro that hunter's name alone makes me cringe.

[@johncenaa4479]

my resto druid won toep in a pug lol

[@cronosdimitri4584]

ayo dont diss retail's loot system, levels of ninjaing are the lowest by far there

[@redhatbanditt1181]

wait its good for hunter pvp

[@Hu1ud]

I saw this happen before lol

[@Rowick8]

Hey i was the one to go off and join one of the top guilds on the server. I was transparent with everything that happened to everyone =). And look at the meters on top as a dwarf.

[@mattk2308]

Lol, your guild needs a PUG to fill its raid. Why then is the main objective trying to screw the PUG out of loot instead of maybe I don't know, recruiting them to your guild?

[@wozyrd]

Wasn't expecting this one to come up again 😄good video ❤ Impact was full of great memories, and great friends. But wow, I was not cut out to be a GM. I made a lot of mistakes and handled the pressure poorly. Not an excuse, but the guy that we guild-system-won that BRE from was something else. We got a couple weeks of threats, IP grabbers, doxxing attempts, all that classic Whitemane fun. He bragged about his guild, so I let their GM see the DMs I was getting, and they kicked him on the spot. One thing led to another, and I joined that same guild, learned a lot from the awesome folks there, and stayed with em til the end of Wrath. Glad it all worked out, despite my failings as a GM.

[@Driftbye]

o7

[@Hyehowareyou]

Imagine doing something scummy, someone reacts negatively to the scummy thing you do, so you get the guy kicked from guild whie obsolving yourself of any responsibilty, and take his spot. What a scummy individual.

[@toffeelatte6042]

This much drama over loot on a private server? Good lord.

[@HungarianWarHorse]

Seems like pretty standard practice to me, get wrekt pug