The Half Transphobia of Two and a Half Men

[@Ludraman_]

Two and a half men reboot where it's two trans men and an enby

[@madeliner1682]

based lmao (demiboy go brrrrrr)

[@giordanodsouza9563]

I'd love that!

[@markus1086]

That'd be boring as fuck.

[@PhoenixHinds]

In what way would it be boring? It is merely a premise.​@@markus1086

[@rt_goblin_hours]

OMG based

[@evlynm]

Yeah I doubt a lot of trans women would "come out" by deadnaming herself and saying she was a man before.

[@Aryasvitkona]

Older trans folk probably would, so it kinda fits in with her age. It's more our generation that is much less willing to do that, we're more a "we were always a woman", they're more "I was a man, now I am not" Just cultural and generational differences imo

[@katyungodly]

It depends on your generation and age when you learned you were trans. I learned at age 13, so I've never once felt like a man and it feels ridiculous to think of myself that way 💀

[@AllisonRutherford-vs4dt]

Exactly, i was like 5 when i knew personally that id wanted to be a girl like my sister, so to say i ever felt like a guy is just inaccurate, but my younger cousin didnt know till late teens and did used to identify as masc and so she does say she used to be a boy, etc. ​@katyungodly

[@CorwinFound]

49 year old trans guy who's egg cracked at 40 and came out at 45. I don't often say, "When I was a woman/girl," and rather, "When I presented as," or " When I lived life as." But pretty close. It's not really possible for me to write off those 40-45 years because for most of it I really thought of myself as a woman. I had two kids, had a career in a male dominated industry where my apparent gender did have a huge impact on my experiences, and all sorts of things that go along with being AFAB and seemingly cis for four decades. In no way would I ever deny that many trans folk really did think of themselves as their true gender before coming out. But many of us didn't have the "I always knew I was x" narrative. Especially growing up in the 80's or earlier, we may not have been really aware that trans people existed beyond Jerry Springer shows. All that said, I'd be surprised to see the, "When I was a man" line used these days and moving forward. As all us old fogeys finally come out and the younger generations grow up knowing and generally accepting the idea of transness as a possibility, it's only fitting. I'll be telling my grandkids about my experience and they'll say, "But grandpa, how could you not know about being trans? That's like not knowing about TV. Wait... was TV even invented when you were a kid?!?"

[@LunaJones-sn6bo]

@@katyungodlyomg i figured it out when I was 10 and even without hrt it made it so much easier for me to not see myself as a man because i knew what i was going through

[@CorwinFound]

A comment about Paula describing herself as having once been a man. For context, I'm a 49 year old trans guy who's egg cracked at 40 and came out at 45. I don't often say, "When I was a woman/girl," and rather, "When I presented as," or " When I lived life as." But pretty close. It's not really possible for me to write off those 40-45 years because for most of it I really thought of myself as a woman. I had two kids, had a career in a male dominated industry where my apparent gender did have a huge impact on my experiences, and all sorts of things that go along with being AFAB and seemingly cis for four decades. In no way would I ever deny that many trans folk really did think of themselves as their true gender before coming out. But many of us didn't have the "I always knew I was x" narrative. Especially growing up in the 80's or earlier, we may not have been really aware that trans people existed beyond Jerry Springer shows. All that said, I'd be surprised to see the, "When I was a man" line used these days and moving forward. As all us old fogeys finally come out and the younger generations grow up knowing and generally accepting the idea of transness as a possibility, it's only fitting. I'll be telling my grandkids about my experience and they'll say, "But grandpa, how could you not know about being trans? That's like not knowing about TV. Wait... was TV even invented when you were a kid?!?"

[@aesop1451]

Except Paula is being played by cis woman Paula Marshall. Imagine if she was being played by Alexandra Billings or Jen Richards. And I don't know why Lily's surprised that a show that ended in 2015 could be considered problematic.

[@SuperDuckyWho]

I find it extremely hopeful actually that GenZ can take things for granted. Just watched something from the 90s with a younger millenial friends and even they were like "why didn't they just (insert thing gay people let along trans people would be murdered for... I think it was confessing how they feel or something)" and I just had to remind them it was the 90s where their very existence could get them killed.

[@EmpireGamingWynter]

I think it's ok to say "when i was..." because you did identify as that thing for that long. Even though you WERE your gender back then you just weren't aware of it, you did identify as the other gender. I came out at 33. I personally refuse to say "when I was a guy" because in hindsight I never was. I say "before I came out" but that's personal choice

[@2nd3rd1st]

This is an interesting point. As a 37 year old gay cis man I can only equate your experience with me accepting my sexual truth at 24 and coming out at 26, and I would never say "When I was straight" about my first 24 years, because even though I lived 24 years as a passing straight man I know for a fact now that I was gay the whole time.

[@CaptainUltimaFTW]

Im shocked that the two examplss of trans representation in TWO AND A HALF MEN of all shows were actually pretty alright! Wild as hell

[@t221000]

Right? It's so amazing. It makes you wonder which writers came up with those ideas and why the Big bang was so transphobic

[@nicholasfarrell5981]

It's even more shocking when you remember that there was reoccurring reference to Charlie bailing on/being traumatized by a woman with a penis (who actually appeared as a hallucination during the aggressively misinformed pot episode) as a joke.

[@t221000]

@@nicholasfarrell5981 I did not know that

[@dinosaysrawr]

I only have vague memories of Two-and-a-Half Men at this point, but it makes me wonder if Chuck Lorre's shows might be more misandrist than misogynistic at some level, or if trans people throw Lorre off balance in a good way.

[@t221000]

@@dinosaysrawr That is a fascinating comment

[@AlexandraBryngelsson]

TBF as a post-op trans women I don't want to hear the details of my bottom surgery ether

[@AllisonRutherford-vs4dt]

Yeah only thing i don't like about lily is how much she paints us all with her brush, not all of us have the same feelings on everything, for example, like others have pointed out, the issues she has with the episodes are things that mostly would be accurate for the ages of these characters, most trans women her age would in fact call their past self he and by their dead name, etc.

[@alexjewett7455]

I think the same thing applies to most surgeries.

[@rainbowpixel_4145]

For real

[@AllisonRutherford-vs4dt]

@AlexandraBryngelsson also its fair to not have the best reaction to hearing about the same genitalia you have being sliced in half and stitching going on and stretching and needing to recover from surgery, etc., it actually in fact shows a large sign/indication that they are actually empathizing and trying to understand and put themselves in your shoes and try to relate to your experiences, and if you're a cis guy doing that with mtf sex change, yeah that would understandably sound horrifically painful and disturbing to picture undergoing, even as a trans woman who fully intends to get sex change myself it makes me cringe to imagine that part, lol, but the gender euphoria it will bring, which is next to impossible for them to fully understand and imagine getting from that, makes that pain nothing for us comparatively lol, so I get that part honestly, and they don't need to know how your vag became a vag, as long as they accept that you have one and treat you as the woman you are, no matter how puberty happened for you

[@TinyTurtleDuck]

LOVE the haircut omg, that length is lethal on you. It's giving Siobhan Thompson if that means anything to you, but I promise it's high praise

[@j0rd33]

omg yessss

[@mauri-mattiaslaanesaar5305]

So true

[@devyndday]

I totally agree with you

[@literaterose6731]

👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽

[@henrik_xiii]

Right?? It looks so good on her.

[@88tree88]

"I'm not Lily Orchard, she sucks!" made me absolutely burst out laughing. When someone first told me that there was serious accusations against a KZbinr who's named Lily, talks about tv shows, and is trans, I was very very relived to learn it was not the Lily that I watch

[@Sh12pen]

I know right

[@Tareltonlives]

I used to watch, and she had some good videos (especially on Steven Universe), but the hostile pompous tone, the innumerable hypocrisies, and using video games as the best example of a franchise made me just give up.

[@Amelodics]

I was scared for a second because I follow another trans Lily who does commentary too, and was like "no, not horrible allegations." Luckily, the other Lily I follow is Lily Alexandre, not Lily Orchard.

[@Sh12pen]

@@Amelodics lillys that do commentary and are trans huh... That's a whole genre now lol

[@ChrissieBear]

What did Lily Orchard do? I don't know who she is.

[@nickneal3955]

Shade on Big Bang Theory. THANK YOU. My mother once seriously asked me 'is this what you and your friends do?' in regards to D&D. I responded that none of my friends were rich scientists.

[@DylanKanna]

tbh my main reason for disclosing im trans before engaging in anything romantic/sexual with a person i just met is to make sure im not sleeping with a disgusting transphobe, i have standarts. Edit: but plz like lilly said only do so if its save to do so🙏if theres any strange vibes before that just leave and stay save its not worth the risk.

[@Aryasvitkona]

I also feel it's only polite, but yeah also transwoman please be careful. If you feel on edge bringing it up, probably don't. Also like Lily alluded to, never ever do it in a private place. Do it in daylight in public, like at a coffee shop. If they have a negative reaction you want people around you to be able to intervene

[@Anghellik9]

​@Aryasvitkona admittedly coming at this as a cis guy, but it being the internet age, you'd probably be best to disclose if you're interested beforehand, rather than risk him figuring it out. There are far too many horror stories out there.

[@markus1086]

Others have standards too and maybe don't want to sleep with someone who had a sex change.

[@DylanKanna]

Correct and thats totally fine. My comment was aimed to mock Transphobes only. Specifically because transphobes often think we are so desperate we would just take anyone and should be thankful if someone has the grace to lower themselfes to be with a trans person, when in reality we too have standards like everyone else does. We are not lesser then others we are worthy of being loved or appreciated and want to be treated with the same respect as other human beings. Its to show that preferences go both ways equally and to throw the ball back at them with their own words. Hope this explains the purpose of the intentional agressive wording in my OC more clearly :) have a nice day^^

[@TheCatsWhiskers76]

@@Anghellik9 sadly and disgustingly, even trans women that do tell future sexual partners that they're trans are still at a higher risk of being assaulted. And these men who assault these women then plead the 'trans scare' card. It's so vile. 💔

[@VivBrodock]

As a girly who does do one-night stands, but doesnt have bottom surgery i always inform at the bar about my status, In a place surrounded by other queer people. Thats really more out of interest for my own time, i dont want to get to someones place and then have to leave cause i dont have the right equipment. Saying it after the hook up is wild. Especially to a cishet

[@DasOmen02]

33:20 i like my dating life how i like my alcohol WITHOUT CHASERS

[@XlittleXdrummerXgirl]

Was not expecting a Lily/Chapel Roan crossover but yeah, I'll take it, happy Friday

[@dirt8036]

Oh boy, this is actually going well- "Not as weird as me dating a MAN." God damn it

[@HyperplanetX128]

Usually I don't comment on youtube, but I just wanna say you should definitely do a video on Zombieland Saga. There is an exiplicitly trans episode with said trans character being part of the main cast. Also a meme of said character holding a gun with the text 'Shut the fuck up TERF' got shown off in UK parliment, which is more than reason enough to check it out.

[@nicholasfarrell5981]

I've suggested that one as well, really hoping that Lily covers Zombieland Saga and . . . Lily. Though hopefully she looks up some of the Japanese used in that episode, Crunchyroll kinda slow-pitched a few things when they translated it (and probably would've done worse, like refused to acknowledge that there's a trans character at all, if the Japanese studio hadn't supervised them because of decades of queer erasure in dubs).

[@artifalse]

@@nicholasfarrell5981staring with evil intent at Alluka (iykyk)

[@Sugarman96]

@@nicholasfarrell5981 has she even done any anime? Because if she's willing to go into that territory, the new Ranma 1/2 remake is an incredibly obvious series to discuss when it's done.

[@molluscumlore]

@@nicholasfarrell5981 Yeah the translation of trans characters in anime is always interesting. Half of it is understandable since gendered pronouns are very different in japanese than in english. Like you can go forever without having to use an explicitly gendered pronoun for yourself or someone else if you don't want to so it can be confusing to translate in english where pronouns are almost always gendered and always used. But the other half is transphobia unfortunately. I know Mizuki from Project Sekai is another well-written trans girl in an anime adjacent story, and I've heard that translation also had a few questionable decisions. But the russian translation in particular is very bad from what i've heard, so it's interesting to see how much that effects the perception of her (most of the sekai fans misgendering her are russian)

[@velaethia6]

Fun fact: trans women get phantom limb syndrom a lot less then other context of losing a limb. It does and can happen. But in many cases it never does.

[@LucyTheBox]

It does bother me a bit that Paula immediately drops her own deadname as the first piece of information when revealing she's trans. It kinda sets up this expectation that people are owed this information from a trans person. Okay, sure, she overshares a lot of stuff after, but it makes more sense to me for a trans person to describe the details of their surgery, than to share their deadname. The surgery is a wonderful procedure that allowed them to live closer to how they wanted to live, while their deadname is a remnant of their past that they'd rather leave behind.

[@Aryasvitkona]

Keep in mind her age. A boomer trans woman would probably be more comfortable with it than most of us nowadays. The bigotry was so much worse that deadnaming yourself as an explanation was comparatively acceptable

[@sofijamarkovic6856]

I hate that too. I mean I'm trans and before i used to be way less secretive about my dead name (and i overshare in general) but i would still only tell people i felt close with and that i absolutely trusted not to share it. But now i don't do it that much cos like why would somebody need that information? I don't even like knowing other teans people's dead names because it just gives me an opportunity to hurt them i don't need that

[@sofijamarkovic6856]

​@@Aryasvitkonayou have a point. However would like to point out that even modern media with trans representation i think has a problem of revealing a dead name so fast, like i "Wndal and wild" for example. Like they really think we have to know it but we don't always

[@margaretmadole]

It sure is wild to start watching this video and then ten minutes in go "OH I'VE SEEN THIS EPISODE." It was on TV in one of my patients' rooms once, and i remember internally going "oh God, time for transphobia" when she revealed herself to be trans and being pleasantly surprised by how decent it was.

[@ArninoStorm]

I feel like the joke answer should have been about how she doesn't look 40 at all.

[@christopherb501]

I know, right?? It's RIGHT there!

[@marocat4749]

yes

[@TheProxy066]

Truuuueee. When she said that, I was like, "When she was 40? How old is she now?", bc she didn't look that much older.

[@sisterthesister4870]

I always feel so called out when you start talking about how you hope your video was "a good distraction while doing other stuff". I indeed changed the battery of one of my motion sensors, tested the batteries of a keyfob, fed my cats and checked the weather because I have to get some groceries quickly, and that almost feels like a confession now 🤔 On the other hand, I truly AM amazed at how many of those episodes you manage to find. It's a pity most of them aren't better representation, but hey.. at least now they make you some money 😉

[@paulscott1792]

Yeah the most traditionally manly men (weight lifting, football etc.) guys in my friend circle are the gay dudes.

[@Shamazya]

I somewhat appreciate the perspective of Paula kind of settling for Alan because he doesn't make her feel as othered because of how it can make the point that you shouldn't have to tolerate or settle for the bare minimum even if you're a minority more blatantly visible

[@LucyTheBox]

Dang, that second episode could have been a setup for a Polygamous relationship. Would have been pretty interesting twist that's even less explored in popular media than transgander people.

[@AllisonRutherford-vs4dt]

Right!?!

[@ArDeeMee]

*polyamory

[@marocat4749]

Yes . I mean they could at least try, i get that not wanting to be ongoing but they could try and alan just having issues, and its on him. Which could be funny?

[@AllisonRutherford-vs4dt]

@ArDeeMee polygamous would also be accurate, and would be more accurate if it went the way the commenter is describing, with a closed, 3 person relationship

[@ohsarcasm]

​​@@AllisonRutherford-vs4dt That's polyamory, polygamy is multiple women with one man. (haven't gotten to that point in the episode so maybe it is just polygamy) Edit: just got to that part, it would be a polyamorous relationship if it wasn't closed. if it was closed, it would still be polyamorous in the case where paula and her ex wife get interested in each other again. there's no term for a closed polyamorous relationship other than just closed poly. polygamy is a whole different concept.

[@t221000]

I was just feeling sad about the lack of Lily Simpson on my youtube feed and there you are. I stopped watching 2 and a half men in 2012 so I didn't see any of these episodes with the lesbian character or the trans character. I have seen Paula Marshall in many comedies such as Spin City and Californication and she is excellent. It's amazing how Chuck Lorre produced so many sitcoms and some were complete poo like BBT and 2 half men yet 2 and a half men had positive trans story lines and MOM had excellent story lines around drug addiction and domestic abuse.

[@ArDeeMee]

It really depends on the composition of the writers‘ board, and how much creative freedom they are granted.

[@nu3kat]

19:45 trying to search up lily orchard was literally how i discovered you (searched something like 'lily trans my little pony" based off my recollection of one video I watched about her) 😭 i'm so sorry to you but also so glad i got introduced to your great videos

[@victorhplus]

I'm surprised how good that show handled trans characters especially when compared to other sitcoms. PS: I love your new haircut

[@hartthorn]

Okay, I'm at the break point between the end of the first episode, and there's also an element that I find kind of find fascinating: it keeps being a bunch of "anti-jokes" where the punch line is the LACK of a punchline (even the actual punch). Because not only is Alan chill, but the conga line of setups of him being treated like the "girl" in relationship and him just genuinely APPRECIATING it is also interesting from an angle of toxic masculinity. Sort of in the "kiss your homies goodnight" kind of vein. Now lets unpause and see how this ends. I do fear a crash and burn, but must remain hopeful.

[@hartthorn]

So it seems like a rocky road, but overall managed to not COMPLETELY shit the bed and pull out a win. Fascinating.

[@UNSCMarine117]

3:51 "Like that's ever gonna happen... What a load of..." *Toilet flushes and all star starts to play*

[@apocrypha5363]

If you have a big problem with sleeping with a trans woman... You need to ask the woman you sleep with if she's trans. It's not the woman's fault for not answering a question that you didn't ask. If she has no reason to believe that you'll care, why blame her for not telling you?

[@RM-xr8lq]

it is like a blind racist getting upset when they find out their date is not just a woman but a "black" woman

[@seraphonica]

"the writers are not really trying that hard" sadly this is the most common thread I've found between this writer's works. Lorre seems to spend more time perfecting the "pause or you'll miss it" screeds in the end credits than any other part of an episode.

[@wafflethyeah]

A trans deep dive into a show I've never heard of? Hell yeah I know how I'm spending my Friday night

[@emdove]

I'm guessing this is because you are quite young, and now feel old 🥹

[@bisboptheclown]

u have such powerful vibes of like a snarky kids edutainment host and i mean that in the best way

[@JR_Donofrio]

Oh no not the Walden era! Thank you so much for doing this, Lily!

[@thomasb7347]

"You can kiss a 100 boys in bars" :D reallllly?

[@Mr.MossyTeacup]

You have to ask all those boys nicely first You might need to be persistent, and by that, I mean ask different boys if the boys say no ;)

[@allisonroth]

I got on the Chappel Roan bandwagon late, but early enough to catch Lily's lyrical reference in this video.

[@JoelTheParrot]

so there's like, two and a half good trans rep episodes in two and a half men?

[@FishGup]

Your hair is looking so good!

[@the_beholding259]

Transphobia this Transphobia that - can we please talk about how lily is saying that bob look???

[@ryanfliegelman3166]

In the defense of them not wanting to hear details of a surgery. That stuff is disgusting to some people no matter what the operation is on. My dad gets nauseous if he sees a wigly tooth lol. One time he got a shot and almost fainted. If he ever bother me I can just bring up a surgery video and ruin his day.

[@sofie4216]

20:45 jumpscare warning: the CW's Supernatural

[@sunrise.system]

ty this was very needed

[@auburnt_amaranth]

uncalled for

[@KSubsforBenk]

Thanks for Warning about that TRASH show. Just my Opinion tho.

[@violetheise4717]

I don't *just* want to see trans actors in trans character roles, I want to see trans actors in just... Roles. Main roles. Love interest roles. Important roles. Well-written villain roles (just not exclusively!). Make their gender identity as much and as little of a "thing" as is the case for cis characters in media.

[@alexakaa.charlesross8919]

Agreed, I think some shows try too hard and it just takes you out of the story

[@tlblitz42]

Another thing about trans disclosure and hookups is your medical status. If you haven’t had the op (though Paula evidently has, because Alan didn’t find out until after) it makes infinitely more sense to disclose that BEFORE you’re naked and alone with somebody. You’re right that Paula’s case doesn’t make that much sense to disclose herself, though, so I guess chalk that up to post-nut clarity/regret

[@marocat4749]

Maybe after that she was really interested??? or she just really is too confronting for her own good? Ok its weird

[@SweetWitchNerd]

Ngl i just watched both of your Two and a Half Men videos back to back and that was certainly an experience. One straight hour of waiting for that Chekhov's gun to be fired and the rampant transphobia to come out of the woods but it was all fairly sweet all things considered, i was so expecting the transfem episodes to be awful and i was pleasantly surprised, always nice to see positive trans representation in media, love your content Lily ❤

[@JetblackJay]

5:11 ive known people who get drunk so thst yes your more accepting of things because some sailors aren't drunk and some want to be not to feel guilty

[@joshmoore28]

Love the hair it looks great on you Lily

[@Demonreached]

Agree!

[@turtle4llama]

Obviously, if you have original equipment, there needs to be a pre-hookup conversation. If only about accomodation. If you've already remodeled your downstairs, that's no one's business.

[@UwUImTheo]

What if you use prosthetics?

[@Chameleon_Cat]

​@@UwUImTheo​ I do, But it's definitely of personal preference for trans people in my opinion if they want to or not. I (trans man) have personally told people who want to have intercourse with me that I'll be using a prosthetic, and live in a liberal part of my country so peoples acceptance and safeness can vary for different people. Its what i do because it makes me more comfortable to be on the same page that I would be using a prosthetic. TRIGGER WARNING talk of trans sex w prosthetic pp (From my partner's perspective) not much is different Is with prosthetic pp and flesh and blood pp. Texture, firmness, and no ejaculation of semen if you don't have a fancy prosthetic that does that, and the warmth of prosthetics is the main differences, but not that dramatic. But I did once do the mistake of not warming up my prosthetic to my body temp TwT. For 《female》 prosthetics I don't know much about them apart that they exist, and I also don't have a natal/phallo/meta pp to compare them from those perspectives so I don't have any two cents to say about them lol.

[@AbsolXGuardian]

Percisely. You do need to bring up a lot of private stuff: like what you like in the bedroom and certain medical history; because they're relevant to the hookup itself. All you have to disclouse is what your current set up is

[@nicholasfarrell5981]

​@AbsolXGuardian oh, I can think of one particularly unpleasant trans webcomic artist who would strongly disagree with you on that. The whole disclosing your equipment thing, at least; wouldn't know about the other stuff, I stopped following them when they went "not even if your partner wants kids, you shouldn't even have to say anything then".

[@AbsolXGuardian]

@@nicholasfarrell5981 Not disclosing your infertility to your partner is bad period. Also their emphasis on being completely stealth gives me trans med vibes. Generally people like that aren't the kindest towards nonbinary people

[@Bunni89]

I also find it so insidious that 100% of the damn jokes are OOOO even if she tries to act feminine she's really masculine. Like sports fandom is stored in the chromosomes? Man I got my hopes up when it showed him being into it, but its still annoying it exists at all. And having the laugh track play every time he goes "hell yeah this is good actually" really fuckin undercuts it. It feels the joke is meant to be at his expense that he has wrong opinions? No bruh you just wrote a normal polite man. And then made him a cheating asshole all of a sudden 😩 Dude I would have ADORED if their relationship became a whole series thing! They were cute together!!!! He doesn't deserve eternal praise for being nice to a trans girl but god damn it's still rare as fuck. I dont even know any live action products that have a trans love interest as an actual main cast member. (Thankfully there's a few cartoons, anime and videogames.)

[@literaterose6731]

There are some limited live action examples I can think of (though they’re mostly short-lived)-and of course there are probably others here and there outside of my wheelhouse-but these came to mind from the relatively recent past: Laverne Cox played a trans woman main character on a legal show called Doubt in 2017. It didn’t last long, but I really liked it. She’s a lawyer, and one of the main storylines is her romance with another lawyer, a cis guy. Pretty well handled as I recall, and I remember being surprised by that. And then there’s trans actress Jesse James Keitel who played a trans character in Big Sky (a crime thriller series), including a lengthy storyline about her character’s fraught but generally positive relationship with another character (again, cis man) dealing with their attraction to one another. And there was a pretty long arc on Grey’s Anatomy in which one of the lead characters (cis woman) has a significant relationship with an enby character who has a frequent recurring role. It’s far from the only queer/trans storylines that Grey’s has done, but definitely one of the biggest. But yeah, I really should be able to come up with more examples than that without trying so hard…

[@Bunni89]

@@literaterose6731 Thank you so much, I hadn't heard of these! This recommendation is so helpful! When there's so few scattered examples we really gotta cling to what we can find.

[@Idran]

"And having the laugh track play every time he goes "hell yeah this is good actually" really fuckin undercuts it." does it make it better or worse that two and a half men was filmed in front of a live audience and the reactions are from actual people watching the filming in real time (though probably jazzed up with recorded laughter, yeah)

[@Bunni89]

@@Idran That Is profoundly worse and I've lost faith in humanity.

[@clairedeng7868]

Hate you for the random Supernatural clip in the middle that catapulted me out of my seat

[@rainye.2875]

WOOOOO NEW LILY UPLOAD

[@SnyderQueen]

Pokemon next?? Let's goo!! Also, love your hair Lily you look great ☺

[@silentmax9]

37:33 "I taught grammar," he says in a run-on sentence.

[@ancientbaltoy8769]

Just about to comment that myself

[@victormirandakoepke8352]

"i don't think I like Alan much" You just summed up my feelings about 2 1/2 men exactly. He's the creepy weird, unpleasant guy to Charlie's smoothness most of the time He usually just straight up sucks as a whole and hardly ever redeems himself

[@Kid_Majora]

This is so niche but i HATE the “preferred name being the gender swapped version of the deadname” trope. Of COURSE that does happen, but Paul -> Paula seems sooooooo unrealistic to me 😭 and the fact its basically EVERY SINGLE TRANS CHARACTER EVER is annoying imo

[@ah-sh9dw]

27:39 this is a personal preference thing, I've known trans people who refer to their past selves either way

[@mattiesavannahpahl9934]

Lily, I don't know if you read the comments, but I hope you do cause I've got a hell of a recommendation. Years ago, my wife brought the MTV comedy puppet show Wonder Showzen into my life, and it's just absolutely unhinged in the most 2000s way. We watched the season 1 episode "Nature" the other day and the entirety of nature starts falling apart cause Mother Nature undergoes a sex change. The friends we were hanging out with that night picked the episode blindly based on the title, and we all ended up uncomfortable.

[@JetblackJay]

7:25 no being honest with anyone you meet up with shoud have a level of honesty especially if its leading to the bedroom or more etc sometimes things are deal breakers that have to be said upfront

[@voidyvoid11]

No, cuz it’s dangerous. Literally just told why.

[@sockman.]

Yeah no I don't want to get hate crimed

[@Aryasvitkona]

17:40 The thing is that the "joke" is usually that the transwoman is a "man", that's the subversion of expectations, that the woman isn't a woman, and as such it's super bigoted. What this episode has done is taken that expectation and subverted THAT. Our expectations for trans characters are for those bigoted jokes and by not making them... It's a subversion. It's similar to how anti-jokes work. You're set up for a predictable outcome and then it is violated. "A man walks into a bar. You think he'd have seen it" We set the tone and expectations with a conventional joke opening about a bar, then take a hard left and subvert it by using the other meaning of the term. That's all this episode did. Jokes also have a tension and release cycle, and I feel that the parts where she's engaged in the masculine stereotypes like offering her jacket is falling into that tension area, and the laughter expected of you isn't the laughter of a joke, but the tense laughter of waiting for the other shoe to drop. Only for there not to be anothet shoe. Anyway my topics about joke theory and philosophy over, time to hit play and get my heart broken by the second episode, probably.

[@artastic_friend]

Your haircut looks so pretty!!!

[@seraphonica]

the line "if I became a woman... a REAL woman" is better than expected, but I wish it was presented as more of a subjective thing she wanted for herself. as presented, it's rather transmedicalist. eg, "if I don't get the surgeries to change me anatomically, I'm not a REAL woman"

[@stormRed]

I recently discovered that Sabrina The Teenage Witch has a genderbending episode (S2E6), featuring all three main characters "turning into boys", and I immediately thought of you.

[@JohnReviews]

Believe it or not, Chuck Lorre is actually incredibly based (he wasn't always but he is now).

[@Fleeting_Thoughts]

I’m sorry but I don’t care if they had unresolved feelings for one another, Paula getting back with the person who threatened physical violence against her because of her gender…nah that shit is HORRIFIC

[@rafaela00002]

It's truly impressive that both trans episodes of this show are kinda fine, I really wasn't expecting it

[@mistygraves6033]

hahaha, i wasn’t expecting the song that’s been stuck in my head to pop up in this video! 🤭

[@katiekittleson4308]

You should check out Grey's Anatomy! There are a ton of trans and intersex episodes

[@Ashli99999]

I really don't think the part about him reacting to the sex reassignment surgery is transphobic. Surgeries are gross, and nobody wants to imagine their dick being cut in any way.

[@brady5006]

Amazing, I've been so excited for the part 2! Thanks Lily!

[@egretious]

Your haircut is so pretty!!!

[@SynthMusicWorld]

Lilly, as a cishet ally, I find your videos incredibly informative, so thank you for all of the time and effort you put into them. I was curious if you ever were going to tackle Jonathan Demme's Oscar-winning 1991 film "The Silence of The Lambs." The book it's based on was written by Thomas Harris and published in 1988. Of course this film has the standard "trans person is nuts and kills people" trope in it. Harris has Dr. Lecter say some lines of dialog in the book that, I think, he meant to quell the sort of criticism that the film received: in the book, Lecter says that Buffallo Bill isn't actually trans, he's just trying it out and has tried to be many different things in his life. But that seems like a copout to me. I'd love to know what you think, and hopefully we'll get to know in video form!

[@alligatortears5344]

to be fair i don’t think they are uncomfortable about the surgery because they think the procedure is bad or something, but because it hurts to imagine something happening to their own junk, like how it hurts to just see another man get kicked in the gems

[@tinfoilslacks3750]

It reminds me of the Modern Family episode where Phil is going to get a vasectomy. "I know you're scared a lot of people won't think you're a real man after this operation" "People are going to think I'm not a real man!? I'm scared it's gonna hurt! A lot!"

[@tmmaster6904]

I've never heard of Lily Orchard until just now so i went and looked her up and... yeah, just from her channel description alone i think i know enough

[@ChristyAbbey]

FTR: I transitioned in 2018, an still live with my ex-wife. Slept with her fiance long before she knew him, too.

[@sunsetsherbert]

the haircut omg 😍😍 also ty for blessing yt again with your words lily 🥰

[@rhettbaldwin8320]

If sleeping with a transwoman is upsetting to you perhaps you shouldn't be sleeping with people you barely know.

[@TrazzyStar]

Hmm... I think you should roll the sock on your mic down over your hand so it looks like you have a sock microphone for a hand

[@tylersmith7752]

Your videos are my favorite to have on while I take care of chores. Please don’t stop making videos. Your voice motivates me to be a better person and get work done around the house

[@noahkirschtein8169]

holy shit my recommended was faster than the notif lmao

[@waffles8364]

Just wanna let you know that your ad for your patreon in this video did actually convince at least one person to sub to your patreon.

[@auburnt_amaranth]

btw still would love if u ever cover Supergirl. sure, an actual trans character, but there are episodes focussed on her too "win for the trans lesbians and a lose for Alan" - so win-win

[@koolaidman_]

19:24 that's how Two and a Half Men ends?!?! (I'm assuming it ended there. Hoping it did)

[@Idran]

no that's how it ends, yep the entire finale was about charlie coming to kill them all and them freaking out about it, and then the pair of piano drops was the final scene of the show

[@koffinrott]

Lily Orchard jump scare! Seems like everywhere I go her name follows. I'm just trying to enjoy a nice, well written video essay. Great video though! Love your work!❤

[@margaridaamaral3370]

it'd be cool if u talked abt the trans rep in RWBY

[@nomisnomovie]

Two and a half men FTW, I guess...

[@dontpickonme]

Well well well, here we are again, with me enjoying your videos and also asking you to do season 3 of prime suspect.

[@BlueBeetle1939]

Hey not to pile on your workload but once you do supergirl and talk about Dreamer you should cover Ultra Humanite's adaptation in the Stargirl show and in general such an interesting and classic trans character from the beginnings of superman

[@MovieFanatic4500]

Keep up the great work, Lily!! I dont know, and I can't experience what all you've gone through in your life. I came to your channel because i enjoy the hell out of movies and television as well. Finding your channel with your specific point of view has helped me to understand the transgender community better. I appreciate all you do. Im just a cis dude who enjoys seeing others' points of view so that i can learn and grow as a person myself. I hope that through finding common interest, maybe, as a society, we will get better. It's gonna be a slow grind, but i do hope it all progresses forward as if should. I'll stop ranting, though. i just have one request. Maybe do a video comparison of both Rocky Horror Picture Shows. I would really like to hear your perspective on the differences of Dr. Frank N Furter. What are your thoughts on Tim Curry & Laverne Cox? How did they do potraying their characters? Did the other actors seem better or worse between the movies? I am sorry, i'll stop. Again, Keep up the great work! Your always a fantastic person to listen to!!

[@bellecass]

6:00AM and I am HERE

[@ST4RSH4PED]

girl i’d love you to talk about rockos modern life

[@wendys_lemonade2459]

YES I LOVE STATIC CLING

[@4anky]

The good lily in youtube omg

[@2nd3rd1st]

Will you do The Transphobia of Scary Movie down the line?

[@katies3733]

Love the haircut! Also, you are my default lily youtuber that does media analysis. And therefore each time that i've heard lily orchard just referred to as lily the media analyst/youtuber my brain goes SECOND NAMES MATTER HERE. #NotAllLilyKZbinMediaAnalystsSuck

[@Jakeyisdead]

13:14 i only can accept that joke if the intention was not wanting to hear about it because imagining that happen to your own stuff is difficult just like whenever i see someone get hit below the belt i cringe because i know what that feels like. Otherwise its just an immature joke that isnt really funny at all

[@Kai13216]

I feel like part of the disclosure take isn't that great. The "while preference plays a role" line minimizes the role preferences play in a hookup, and Conflating someone's personal preferences to bigotry isn't great, because if you extend that logic to other sexual preferences it falls apart. Great vid

[@kardonis8937]

Have you thought about doing some really short videos? On stuff like having trans side characters that might not get a full episode's worth of coverage. RWBY has a great trans character in the later volumes, but she's a pretty minor character overall so you probably couldn't make a full length video on it. Just a thought

[@Idran]

i _love_ lily and her work, but (and i say this with all love) i'm not sure she's able to make a really short video. it would end up with a 20 minute tangent about something or another, no question. :P

[@fubytv731]

I personally think that we are not obligated to tell anybody that we're trans. On that note though, don't hook up with a bigot still.

[@mariawesley7583]

I like your bob. I've found that the bob is the perfect style to go with hats.

[@elliottstein5955]

There is part of me that just really doesn't like calling this representation a "win" when it should be the bare minimum standard, but then the other half of me still has to appreciate that at least the show is (arguably...) respectful toward trans people. I'm not mad about it, in any case, and I really never thought that Two and a Half Men would be a show where I'd say "I'm not mad about it" toward in this context. On an unrelated note, I'm sure this has been recommended before by other viewers, but you should do a video on Kaos and how they did Caeneus because (as a trans man) I appreciated that SO MUCH and I think we should take some time to appreciate that win.

[@CybahWulfie3409]

I just wanna say that i both love and appreciate your videos and that they do something for me that's hard to put into words. Plz keep them coming 🙏

[@HeidiSprite]

BABE WAKE UP NEW LILY SIMPSON UPLOAD

[@yarro1965]

I was shockingly pleased by this! I gotta say, I wasn't expecting that from this show.

[@Cdr2002]

You crossed one and a half of them out! That’s just one men!!!