The Hard Mike Tomlin Truth

[@FrankMichaelSmith]

I'll be responding to a bunch of comments here. If you want to play the free game I mentioned it's 5card.co/

[@rhdbmw9361]

Facts are facts. Can't argue with this video. Respect for making it 😎🤙

[@mpendulomdluli496]

You're entitled to feel that way as a fan and your argument is well reasoned and based on results. However context matters, and in a QB driven league, what realistic opportunities has he had? The draft system does not reward winning. Make a similar video about Greg Popovich, whom we all know is a great coach, but had to lose to get Wembanyama. If you bring up Shanahan as a successful Comp, a man on the brink of bottling one of the most talented rosters I've ever seen, then forgive me for saying there's something wrong with this picture.

[@pittsburghbob69]

I’m from Pittsburgh so I alway try to support your sh*t but the grass isn’t always greener man. Tomlin is by no means perfect or some wiz kid drawing up x/o in his bedroom but 95% of NFL fans would kill for coach Tomlin and consistency.

[@Ben-k6m]

Is it a scam?

[@jeshuahwillcox5303]

Why are you deleting all the comments that support Tomlin???

[@christopherharrison2987]

I was born and raised in WPA and am a lifelong Steelers fan, and the only thing this video gets wrong is in putting the bad drafts completely on Tomlin. Although I’m sure he has had a lot of input he’s never been the GM. The person ultimately responsible for that was Kevin Colbert until last season. But beyond that the piece is on the money. Tomlin hires mediocre to terrible assistants for the most part, and his player development history, frankly, is far below the line. He consistently says he refuses to “live in his fears” yet he consistently does that week in and week out. He may have been a good hire for a veteran team with its own established identity, but not for the current state of the franchise.

[@williamchristopherallen9327]

@@christopherharrison2987 Yeah just look at our drafts after Omar Khan came around. Last years rookies looked good, and so far, this years class looks good too. As a Tomlin believer though, these are extremely valid points, just a little overblown in the video.

[@geebee6010]

Kevin Colbert was the one who really set this team back over the past 10 years.

[@UserName-ts3sp]

He had his chance to forge his own identity, and failed miserably.

[@Orxbane]

@@williamchristopherallen9327 Why do you believe in Coach Mediocrity?

[@Orxbane]

@@geebee6010 The complete lack of foresight in dealing with an aging Ben and O-line helped make us what we are today.

[@cbgthekid]

I loved having coach Tomlin until 2019 and then I started noticing the mediocrity. He hasn't and will never change. We need to move on.

[@AsianFreshy]

Only so much you can do with Kenny Pickett

[@mohnjarx7801]

He stinks ​@@AsianFreshy

[@dancollins8296]

Now that he doesn't have Ben Roethlisberger you can really see how mediocre he is.

[@nav689]

​@@dancollins8296 BS. Show a coach who's won with a horrible QB

[@03Man11]

@@dancollins8296 almost like it’s hard to win without a franchise QB. You clowns are ridiculous.

[@TheSchism-y7p]

As a Patriots fan, I even saw Bill belichick change his philosophy while also keeping some of his nuance and detail / attention to the game. Bill belichick was truly on point

[@shinski8114]

right the same bill bellichek that had 4 wins last year?

[@TheSchism-y7p]

@@shinski8114 yes. Coaches all succumb to time. Tomlin should be next but Pitt won't do it

[@nicholastricarico2957]

​@@shinski8114I think they're talking more about the later part of the 2000's and 2010's when Bill realized that the NFL was shifting more towards a passing league, and decided to make Tom Brady more of the star of the show instead of the running game and defense.

[@shinski8114]

@@TheSchism-y7p HERE HOLD THIS L FOR ME

[@TheSchism-y7p]

@@shinski8114 ? Context? Bc you haven't said anything to refute the correct points I've been making

[@slicer7713]

I had a hockey coach like him in highschool. He knew all the parents of the highly talented club team players that went to our school and got them to join the hockey varsity team. 0 disciplinary actions, gave them all the playing time over kids that wanted to be there, let those kids egos ruin any kind of culture the team could have had, and they always lost the games that mattered.

[@shinski8114]

tomlin starts undrafted rookies over drafted guys all the time wtf u talking about

[@williamhermann6635]

Dude won a ring with Bill Cowher's guys and hes been the absolute definition of mediocrity since then. The only difference between Tomlin and Marvin Lewis was the super bowl caliber roster Tomlin inherited.

[@IBangedUrMom69420]

Steelers went from White Mike Tomlin to the ACTUAL Mike Tomlin. Cowher was just as bad, and his ring is about as legitimate as a ring pop I can buy from Walmart, seeing as Super Bowl 40 was incredibly fixed. Steelers fans don’t wanna hear that Tomlin and Cowher are one in the same.

[@z-bird9548]

You beat Tomlin by not giving a shit who he is. Shanahan and Sirianis coaching trees are a combined 9-0 and the closest games were concussion Tua and Zach Wilson. Tomlin also has a worse record against non division AFC teams than the Jets since 2021.

[@geebee6010]

Shanahan can't win a super bowl

[@03Man11]

Shanahan can’t win a SB. As far asking coaching tree, DeMeco Ryans lucked out by walking into a team that had a lottery pick and drafted CJ Stroud. Robert Saleh just got fired. Mike McDaniel is a clown of a coach, who cannot win without Tua. FYI, Mike Tomlin has a 57% win rate without Ben Roethlisberger since 2007.

[@geebee6010]

@@03Man11 and Nick Sirrani’s days are numbered as well. He’s too busy going back and forth with fans in the stand instead of coaching a winning team.

[@jmighty33zero]

TJ Watt was a 1st rounder and is the best defender in the NFL

[@Galilelo_Telescope]

I am so confused why he included James Conner and juju when going over that draft but left tj out.

[@GiannisGOAT34.]

He did

[@CarrieAnn77]

What is your point? Tomlin is not solely responsible for the draft. And TJ Watt and his own work ethic and just physicality is what makes him great it has absolutely nothing to do with Mike tomlin. If you put TJ Watt on the Chiefs he'd have 4 Super Bowl rings. Because they would not have lost the one.

[@CarrieAnn77]

​@@Galilelo_Telescopeit honestly doesn't matter. Because Mike Tomlin is not solely responsible for who we draft. He's only a third of the say. Right now it's between Mike tomlin, Omar Khan and the rooneys. And a few other people whose opinions matter. But Mike Tomlin can't just draft whoever the hell he wants.

[@slammingsam4565]

Absurd that this video ignored that when explicitly going through those picks. Unbelievably poor research (or much more likely, blatantly poisoning the well).

[@karstendinsmore5888]

Using a KZbin short to promote a video is an idea that more should implement

[@andrewgordon9318]

Stopped listening @1:52 In what world is McCarthy better than Tomlin? Or Peyton? Path to greatness? There is no evidence either Shanahan or McVey will last that long.

[@andrewgordon9318]

If no losing seasons in 17 years in easy, how come none of the coaches you listed have done it?

[@jakejones895]

Steelers have never fired their head coach and they never will

[@Orxbane]

But we didn't need to extend Tomlin.

[@nuttinfancy]

I’m 53 years old. Born and raised in Western Pa. (Steelers country) Excellent video. Couldn’t agree more. As you said, it gives me no pleasure in saying it, but facts are facts.

[@UnkownSoldier100]

Tomlin has done a great job this year, including coaching hires (Arthur Smith).

[@choiyatlam2552]

Him and John Harbaugh are long past their exploration dates. Steelers need to change while Harbaugh is holding the Ravens back through his poor game decisions at times.

[@alexanderanderson6605]

Fella drank the whole bottle of hatorade on this one 😂😂😂

[@billsclintonsmafia5966]

Or just spoke the truth. Has done nothing in 15 years. 3 playoffs against backup qbs. Mediocre isn't good enough.

[@natebuiltit5158]

Hatorade? Name one thing he said that wasn’t a fact.

[@AbleAnderson]

Very dishonest to call this video hate. He's complimentary of Tomlin throughout, but just makes a fact based case that he's not as good as perceived, and backs it up with data and argument. To call that hate is to say we aren't allowed to honestly criticize anyone, and that's dishonest and unreasonable

[@cole590]

Looks like you drunk the media Kool Aid on this one. Steelers fans know what he's saying is facts. Tomlin is overrated.

[@Lockdown_23]

He’s not just a coach, he’s a tractor but instead of dragging fertilizer, he’s dragging his team to a winning record

[@HereWeGoShow]

A benchmark of just 9 wins year after year is effing depressing

[@dandruff3069]

@@HereWeGoShow less depressing then going below .500

[@TheSchism-y7p]

​@@dandruff3069and then fire him and hire Jeff Fisher by that logic

[@Jackson54321]

@@dandruff3069by that logic, you’d rather be ok and not great than elite and bottom? that’s pure mediocrity, probably sums up a good amount of Steelers fans

[@christopherharrison2987]

@@dandruff3069 not if going below .500 results in actual player development (instead of trotting out the same mediocre veterans every week) and a decent draft position once in a while. Remember that the worst record of the last 25 years (6-10 in 2003) resulted in drafting Big Ben.

[@pnwsp21stcentury81]

Days of our Steelers/urinating tree brought me here. LOL 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@JamelCrumblin]

And still has a better record than Bill Belichek, who got fired by the way after no Brady, whenever you get thru.

[@titan2540]

bill belichick's patriots fell apart once brady left, but tomlin's steelers are still putting together decent seasons post-roethlisberger. that's not to say belichick isn't a great coach or that tomlin is better than him (he isn't), but being a super bowl contender just a few years after losing a hof qb seems like an unreasonable expectation for any coach. if the steelers are no better when the end of tomlins extension rolls around maybe there's a conversation to be had, but until then i think tomlin absolutely deserves his spot.

[@samuelcecil1660]

yep he hasnt had a qb. if he can be criticized fairly for anything its his coordinator decisions. but he's a fantastic motivator

[@Ebidle]

that is almost entirely because of TJ watt. JJ did the same thing on the texans when they were trash too. TJ CARRIES this team and it’s actually unreal. 1-11 without him. i love my steelers. and i love TJ and all the great players we have, but we HAVE to get the defense out of a base 3-4 look (cause it fucking sucks) and get the offense humming again. if that happens we could be contenders again one day soon. not playoff contenders, super bowl contenders

[@jesseruiz5680]

yeah the fact that Bill is the GOAT coach made me lose interest in this video LOL

[@chuckyjamesamartin1968]

@@jesseruiz5680 Who is? Other than Lombardi and Brown, nobody else is in the discussion.

[@cammalkemus1137]

The Tampa bay buccaneers went from Brady to baker and won a playoff game that year now they look like Super Bowl contenders in bakers second year there and people hate Todd Bowles there’s no reason Mike Tomlin should be getting this amount of love for being mid year in and year out

[@paul8080]

Having a winning record and getting destroyed in the 1st round of the playoffs year after year is worse than tanking a couple of seasons and actually rebuilding your team. We won't win another playoff game until tomlin is gone and definitely not a Super Bowl.

[@rockymountainhomestead]

Exactly

[@Orxbane]

I don't remember making this post, are you me?

[@HolymanChurch]

I’ve always wondered why people were so high on Mike. I get his past achievements but I felt like he run his course with the team a few years ago. Sometimes you gotta take 1 step back to go 2 steps forward however the Stealers are walking on a treadmill, constantly walking but going nowhere and that’s the issue.

[@Bigchet1223]

@HolymanChurch have only been back to the afc championship game once since 2010. No playoff wins since 2016.

[@smallben7744]

Because the media props him up for obvious reasons

[@Bigchet1223]

@HolymanChurch he won a super bowl with cowhers players. Once cowhers players were all gone the team stopped winning big games. Since the Steelers lost sb 45 they really haven't done much. Alot of mediocrity. Yes they make the playoffs sometimes. Nothing but post season failure since.

[@sirhatman5062]

@@Bigchet1223cause we were either facing the patriots or had no qb. People really don’t know ball fr

[@shinski8114]

9-3

[@mixesdaily7591]

Man this NEEDED to be said!!! I feel like you looked inside my head and made an amazing video. Don’t sweat the haters…they’ll say that Steelers fans are just “ungrateful” and “don’t know how good they have it.” If the “standard” is 9-8 and a first round exit/not making the playoffs, as a Steelers fan I want no part of that. You hit it right on the nail with the clock management and the lack of coaching tree. Phenomenal video

[@macthedude9457]

If Tomlin was on any other team, he’d have been fired by now, or at least on a blazing hot seat. But because of the Steelers strong defensive culture and their head coach culture, he’s got one of the safest jobs in the league. Steelers fans don’t want to hear it, but going 8-8, 9-7, and 9-8 every season, is praised mediocrity.

[@Madoldman60]

The Standard is Substandard.

[@Orxbane]

Some Steelers fans don't want to hear it. Some of us have been saying this for years.

[@eronmiller9900]

Regarding Tomlin's coaching tree, Bruce Arians was Tomlin's OC and went on to be a superbowl winning head coach. Todd haley was Tomlin's OC and went on to be an OC for the Browns. Brian Flores was Tomlin's lbs coach and went on to be the current DC of the vikings. The current OC and DC of the Steelers are former head coaches. Tomlin has had 5 OCs (one future HOFer) and 3 DCs (one HOFer). You can critique Tomlin's playoff record without lying about his staff.

[@Cyanide300]

Arians was hired by Cowher in 2003, and then promoted to OC in 2007 (the same year Tomlin arrived) after Ken Whisenhunt left. Todd Haley lasted 1 season with the Browns and then couldn't get a job anywhere else in the NFL. Brian Flores was the HC of the Dolphins before he was the LB coach with the Steelers for 1 year. He was with the Patriots from 2004 to 2018. He is part of Belichick's tree, not Tomlin's. The current DC of the Steelers (Teryl Austin) has never been a head coach. You can critique this video without lying about Tomlin's staff.

[@Orxbane]

He didn't hire Arians or LeBeau

[@montanamanculich1834]

It’s honestly crazy because as a Steelers fan, I’m trying to think of one thing Tomlin does well in game, and I can’t think of a single thing. He rode Cowher’s team to 3 Super Bowls. He rode Roethlisberger’s prime to consistent mediocrity. & now he’s riding TJ Watt’s insane ability to impact a game defensively, keeping games close for a consistent bottom 5 offense to win close games. That’s all it is to his career. He’s a great man, a big hype guy, great with the media and has a hell of a personality. He understands Steelers culture but it has really fallen off because he can’t implement it in the whole team. It’s unbelievable he still has an NFL job. Steelers should of fired him and went after Jim Harbaugh. He would of been a great fit in Pittsburgh, outside of the fact that his brother coaches in the division

[@Bigchet1223]

@@montanamanculich1834 he knows how to say cliches.

[@UserName-ts3sp]

He's a stand-up person at least. Problem is, that doesn't matter much when you can't win playoff games.

[@montanamanculich1834]

@@Bigchet1223 the older i get, the more i realize that people who repeatedly say cliches, like it’s there identity, are con artists full of shit. They just understand human nature, and articulate it in a confident way that motivates people

[@Bigchet1223]

@@montanamanculich1834 he's a good cheerleader?

[@dytrus8203]

​@UserName-ts3sp is he even that with guys like women respecter Big Ben, beat my wife James Harrison, and now Cam Sutton. Like all these guys have received deals after their crimes. Hell worse off for Harrison and Sutton who had career worsts on the Bengals and Lions respectively and still brought back after their crimes. He also called raiding and vandalizing Lev bells locker "a team building excerise" in 2018. Dudes a sleez who let's cancer control the locker room.

[@caikedelivery3736]

Harsh, but true. I love Tomlin, been coach literally my whole life. But Pittsburgh is stuck in the past, and until that changes I think their limit is a Divisional Round exit at most. I think we as Steeler fans need to expect more and better. TJ Watt should not be a player with zero playoff wins

[@FrankMichaelSmith]

I feel bad for TJ and Cam

[@goHasher]

Wild card*

[@Orxbane]

Why do you love our mediocre coach?

[@rockymountainhomestead]

​@@Orxbanebecause he's not white

[@shinski8114]

i love how you people are just so certain that the steelers are destined to lose lemme tell you something bud you cannot predict the future i know i know SHOCKER but i hate when people are just like ''yeah steelers will NEVER win anything until they fire tomlin'' like anything can happen maybe this is why the nfl feels so rigged cause constantly i see people shooting down any prospect of a lesser team beating a better team like its impossible and hasnt happened before

[@natebuiltit5158]

Before this video started after watching the short I almost commented that it really just sounds like Tomlin is the locker rooms hype man. Funny af to hear Bradshaw say the same shit 🤣

[@Bruh-yy3zb]

As a fellow Steelers fan we are lucky to have Tomlin. Without him we wouldn’t even be close to relevant we are spoiled to have a coach who even gets us to where we go. We should’ve rebuilt years ago but he keeps winning with subpar roster and some of the worst QB play in the league. He’s not just a good coach he is a great motivator and the players are behind him. He knows how to lead a team without Tomlin the Steelers look like fools. Also I’ve been a 5card draw regular for a while and it’s been great really good stuff with Solo Survivor as well!

[@myplatinumlife]

He let Matt Canada stay around way too long. The first game he was gone and for the rest of the season the offense became much more productive despite not installing a new offense. That’s on Tomlin

[@Bigchet1223]

@Bruh-yy3zb hardly relevant now.

[@christopherharrison2987]

@@Bruh-yy3zb sneaking into the playoffs as the 7 seed and getting blown out in the first round every other year is hardly remaining relevant.

[@michaelmendicino1713]

You can’t say Tomlin has had a significant hand in building every team on that field for the last decade and a half/he keeps us relevant but then doesn’t harbor any of the lack of playoff success or underachievement for the last decade. You can’t have it both ways. Tomlin has helped assemble these rosters. He selected these QBs. He kept Canada. He’s the one who neglected the Oline for years, thus neutering the running game. He’s the guy who allowed Bill Belichick to run circles around him in every meaningful game for years, costing us multiple trips to the SB. It amazes me how blindly loyal people are to this guy. As a Steelers fan, I want more than “non-losing seasons”. If we have to lose for a bit to get back on top - so be it. Every team does it. Sick and tired of treading water and accepting mediocrity.

[@chuckyjamesamartin1968]

Lucky? Let him go somewhere else and see if his streak continues.

[@Metaphorically7]

It is insanely suspect and bizarre that a guy (who many consider to be a top coach) who’s been coaching the same squad for 18 years has a nonexistent coaching tree. Im pretty sure there’s not a single other example of a long tenured successful coach with no coaching tree. And only 3 playoff wins in the last 13 years is wild as hell too. Especially when a majority of it was with prime Ben. And we had arguably the best WR and RB in football for a few years with AB and Le’Veon. I do give Mike credit for no losing seasons. Winning games isn’t easy in the NFL. But I think Mike’s a slightly above average coach. To quote him, it’s a results based league. And he pretty much is exactly what he’s most known for. Being slightly better than average and leading 9-8 teams to first round playoff exits against better coaches. I genuinely would love to see him prove me wrong this year. I really hope we aren’t a 12-5 team with a first round exit. But I gotta see it to believe it.

[@hueyhoopin]

It’s no we you’re not the team

[@Metaphorically7]

@ Im actually TJ Watt. So.

[@hamptonbrooks7623]

He spent more time looking up at the jumbo screen to posed for pictures than coaching. Was handed a great rosters after cowers retirement and the only thing he's can do just like Harbaugh is win a bunch of regular seasons games and be entertaining behind the mice. Mark my word his team again will be 1 and done in the playoffs.

[@Dewski34]

Couldn’t have said it better. I have respect for Tomlin, but the way the media has overblown his status as a coach is mind boggling. We haven’t won anything is so long, and I still don’t think we will get any closer this year. I was optimistic in the summer about this season, but since then that excitement has faded. If Tomlin is going to have a losing season, this is the season. We are going to see what he is truly made of that second half of the schedule. It also sucks seeing all this defensive talent go to waste as well, I mean TJ not having a single playoff win is depressing. Either try to win a Super Bowl, or reset. Steeler Nation is tired of mediocrity 😤

[@FrankMichaelSmith]

The saddest part is he’s going nowhere. He’ll probably get extended again

[@Dewski34]

@@FrankMichaelSmith yeah, probably. If we start having some post season success, I could see things get a little better in the eyes of the fans though (myself included). Also, I can’t remember if you touched on this in the vid, but do you think the “he won with Cowher’s team” claim is also a valid point?

[@unstoppable3peat]

@@Dewski34he did talk about that. As part of the player development issue

[@stoneylonesome5826]

@@Dewski34 I never agreed with that because Cowher himself had trouble getting to a SB with “Cowher’s players.”

[@ks-ok1oc]

​@@FrankMichaelSmithI agree. Mark my words Steelers ain't winning superbowl till 2030.

[@tdrdronesebikesandscooters8377]

In America, your not allowed to state the obvious but that don't mean people don't know the obvious. Everybody in the world knows whats going on here.

[@rockymountainhomestead]

Bingo. He's riding on his race

[@Orxbane]

Especially on the organization that pushed through the Rooney Rule.

[@STEEL4122]

You hit all the nails on the head. I’ve been saying literally all of this for quite a few years now

[@HALEIWA7]

Nail on the head. Tomlin is no hall of famer. He won a Super Bowl and went to another with another mans team, and in the 13 years has gone absolutely nowhere. This is the Steelers. Not the Browns or Lions. We aren't shooting for "Winning Seasons." We're shooting for Super Bowls or at least deep playoff runs. He is Mediocre Mike.

[@kolepellerito1986]

Cant wait to see this! you always have unique perspectives man talking about things in-depth that many others aren’t

[@BCHOODS]

TJ Watt just turned 30 and hasn't sniffed a playoff victory, let alone a Super Bowl.

[@BCHOODS]

Belicheck recently said on a podcast that he loved playing the Tomlin Steelers cause he knew what to expect. Nothing ever changed. And then he chuckled.

[@bestcoastfootball6094]

Agreed. Been saying he was mid for a while now. And something felt very off about that Pivot interview

[@danielinsogna2437]

He won with cowhers team. The bar is set high in Pittsburgh, and 8 seasons without a playoff win is not gonna cut it.

[@kel9591]

19/22 Steeler players in the superbowl win against the Cardinals were drafted by Cowher including Roethlisberger.

[@UserName-ts3sp]

The national media doesn't watch Tomlin continue to make the same mistakes game after game, year after year. I want to like Tomlin, but he should've been fired years ago.

[@LowkeyMG1]

As someone who grew up in a Pittsburgh Steelers supporting household in the 2000s, I've always loved em, especially the late 2000s/early 2010s, mainly because of their defense. In recent years with so many of my favorite players coming and going from the steelers roster, along with me growing up and not being blind to the mediocrity that Tomlin causes, I now know that me nor my parents(well at least me and my dad) like Tomlin and never did. We liked the team of the Pittsburgh Steelers snd the joy they brought us every year. The Rooney's need to learn that Tomlin is the issue and always was. Whenever times got tough, if Tomlin let Big Ben call his own plays, it almost ALWAYS worked out. Like you said Frank. The championship in 08' wasn't Tomlin's team. It was Cowher's team. 2010 was also a good amount of Cowher's team too. But in 2010, it was also the test to see if Tomlin could use the weapons that he had that year, in which he failed. I've always been a die-hard Steelers fan, and I've said it before and I'm gonna say it again. Let. Tomlin. Go.

[@NB-ski]

I’ve been saying this for years! Thank you for calling this bum out!

[@deathcheater9303]

If Tomlin only made it to those two super bowls because that was Bill Cowher’s team/players, then why didn’t Cowher make the playoffs at least in his last season as head coach?!?! 🧐🤔🤨

[@adam_sports1983]

I honestly dont know why people say he is such a good coach. Done nothing in the past 13yr.

[@bppaughb]

I love this video. Me and my family who are all die hard Steelers fans have been non stop ranting about our Tomlin for years. I never understood why he’s loved. He’s mediocre all the time and rode a bill cowher golden team that a toddler could take to the Super Bowl. After Cowhers guys left he’s been barely even winning. Most of our games are won by 7 points or less. If we slapped his record for the last 10 years onto any other coaches they’d be fired multiple times over.

[@DerricsRevenge]

The worst part is that the offense only looked good the last few years when Ben went no huddle

[@TheAllAmericanSocialistMTR1000]

1 Super Bowl 2 AFC Championships 7 Division Titles No losing seasons. Pretty damn good.(I see you crybabies in the comments keep it going ya whiners)

[@coreyc8446]

Joe Montana was pretty good too. Doesn't mean he should still be playing qb

[@phrog4323]

Focus on the now and not the past. The last playoff win for the Steelers was in 2016. That’s not good enough. Belichek had 4x the accomplishments and still got booted because he was underperforming. Face reality, tomlin has been overrated as of late. “No losing seasons” isn’t that great when you are just perpetually mediocre instead of winning.

[@kingmari6739]

⁠the difference is bill didn’t have winning seasons after Brady left not saying Tomlin is one of greatest

[@alekbeaver4088]

Yall haven’t done anything since when? If you’re comfortable with what is, at 9-8 and sometimes being good enough first round loss in the wildcard, then sure, absolutely. Just know as a browns fan I’m glad that yall have Tomlin too! He’s cheeks

[@pierceferraro5610]

Won that Super Bowl with cowers players/OC&DC, currently has a 8-10 (losing) playoff record, hasn’t won a playoff game in 7 years, and has only recorded a playoff win in only 4 different season despite being HC for 18 years. How could you possibly defend this???

[@morrissmith6956]

The Steelers owns the Browns.

[@dagebis]

Something that almost never gets brought up that has always been one of the major points of criticism for every other coach is how their players behave on and off the field. Diontae Johnson doesnt try, AB only did what he wanted to, George Pickens doesnt care to block, on the field his players look like they couldnt care less and off the field their even worse. Everyone know about AB and his antics but are we gonna ignore Le'Veon Bell and his weed addiction Big Ben and his rape charges Anthony Chickillo assulting and choking his girlfriend only to be brought back less than a month later. All of these player were not only allowed to play for the steelers but make millions and millions of dollars. The steelers culture under Tomlin has allowed for criminals to do as the please simply because they can play ball. Matt Arizia was dropped after rape charges were brought against him Darren Waller was dropped by the ravens after he tested postive for weed, Cameron Sutton was released after domestic violence charges were brought against him. With a few frustrating exceptions (mostly qb related) every team releases players when they are charged with a crime. Not the Steelers though, that would jepordize Tomlin's winning record.

[@jetsettech8804]

So......what is it that you want to happen?

[@FrankMichaelSmith]

It’s poisonous. He’s allowed it to infect the locker room year after year

[@pittsburgh4steelers]

we even signed cam sutton 🤦

[@Gixsir]

I thought the rooneys used to be known for the opposite in decades past I do believe I could be wrong tho

[@Mc-ln3gr]

Let’s stop beating around thebush here. The Rooney’s are woke liberals and tomlin is black.

[@zachdayton4199]

I’m a born and raised Steelers fan. Been watching Tomlin since we hired him in 07’. I commend him for being a vocal coach and he’s usually okay with the media too. The good things pretty much end there for me. Obviously we don’t know completely what happens behind closed doors but Tomlin has an abhorrent track record with player management. The amount of stupid reasons we’ve lost players over the years is just crazy. Not to mention he’s always been awful with clock management. My biggest personal complaint would have to be when we almost never change our defensive look coming out into the second half of games. That’s why we can never sustain a lead or comeback

[@bigpl412]

It took Andy Reid 20 years before he won his first Superbowl...

[@Orxbane]

And Tomlin will never see another one.

[@shinski8114]

@@Orxbane again you do not know that unless the nfl is rigged you just dont know its so hard to get to a superbowl or even the playoffs people truley do not understand this. Tomlin made the playoffs like 15 out of his 18 years in the league thats just something you do not give up

[@Orxbane]

@@shinski8114 I do know that, because Tomlin isn't capable of it. He should have been let go, years ago.

[@MatthewErnst7]

steeler fan here. you nailed it

[@quigonpatrick]

I have thought these same things for the last decade. It's nice that you put it all together like that.

[@barryross89]

It baffles me the number of people in the comments praising Tomlin after watching this. Tomlin is a smooth and charismatic leader, but that doesn’t mean he’s a great football coach. I’ve been a Steelers fan my whole life and I think it’s time for a breakup with Tomlin. He’s reached his ceiling as a HC, but the floor is pretty high as well. As long as he’s the HC Pittsburgh will be good, just never good enough.

[@shinski8114]

ur gunna regret that i promiss you.

[@barryross89]

@@shinski8114​​⁠ hit me up when they make a Super Bowl, because it’s not gonna happen as long as Tomlin is the HC.

[@Orxbane]

He's smooth and charismatic, like a con man, not a leader.

[@beenstork]

Man..... As a die hard Steelers fan, this was hard to hear. I have heard the grumblings of other Steelers fans hating on Tomlin and I must say at first I didn't give it much credit. I just kept justifying mediocre seasons and playoff loses as one off years or the results of a couple aspects of the team not doing well. But I am firmly off the Tomlin bandwagon now. Even when they won 11 straight games to start the season a few years ago, they didn't look good. I really hope this year is different, I hope they get a decent offense put together (we know most likely the defense will be decent). I really hope they play consistently good football. Thats been the most frustrating thing to watch is just how inconsistent they play from week to week. Some weeks they look absolutely terrible, some weeks they look "OKAY", and every once in a while they look good

[@bauhausera]

Could not agree more, Tomlin has become the new Jason Garrett

[@Mad-UpperCuts]

This video might age poorly. As of today i think Mike Tomlins STEELERS are 5 - 2. About to play the 2 -5 GIANTS

[@epetrie9459]

Tomlin must win a playoff game

[@rockymountainhomestead]

The just lost to the 2-8 browns

[@Cyanide300]

Nah. All this stuff will still be true no matter what they do this season.

[@Orxbane]

And yet no matter what happens, we'll still los the first game we play in the playoffs.

[@dytrus8203]

Let's not mentioned how many players brought in from Free Agency that played worse under him Joe Haden Larry Ogynjobi Myles Jack Patrick Queen Levi Wallace Patrick Peterson Donte Monkrief Eric Ebron Mitch Trubisky Keanu Neal Kwon Alexander Allen Robinson Van Jefferson Or the list of the guys who broke out after leaving Pittsburgh James Conner Nate Washington Kevin Dotson Emmanuel Sanders Mike Hilton Javon Hargrave Josh Dobbs Robert Spillane

[@Orxbane]

This comment needs way more upvotes.

[@TheGalacticNerd19]

Amazing video and I can tell a lot of research went into this

[@TheAllAmericanSocialistMTR1000]

1:45 Kyle Shanahan is on the path to greatness? Buddy, he's on the path to infamy. When peddling in terminology, make sure to use the words correctly.

[@alekbeaver4088]

So here we go. As A browns fan that lived less than 2 hours from Pittsburgh for 20+ years I have seen my fair share of the Steelers. What is being said and shown here is true. Steeler fans buy into the man Tomlin claims he is. They love his perceived no nonsense demeanor. He gives you the idea he is 100% the guy to motivate the right guys to go back to a superbowl. He’s never had a meltdown, he’s been consistent. The problem for the Steelers is consistency. Everyone goes crazy about him not losing a season, but he really ain’t winning em either! I haven’t heard of any coach that says”8-7-1 sounds quite alright to me!” The next video recommended is about hue Jackson, who was fired after 1 8-8 season. How many equivalent season has Tomlin had? The claim is that Tomlin this great of men. But what about Antonio brown, Bell, exactly what’s stated in this video. When these issues come up, he shuts down and gives some generic answer. Fact of the matter is, when you give Tomlin a loaded roster, he can motivate those guys far. But it’s hard to get a solid roster when you’re picking in the middle because you haven’t had a good season in almost 10 years. When the browns were somewhat good(in spite of themselves) I didn’t worry about the Steelers, because they’ve been what they’ve been for years now. It seems steeler fans are completely comfortable being average, and if by some miracle the browns pull their heads out of their butts and turn themselves around, I sure do hope Tomlin is there when it happens, cause I won’t be sweating them Steelers

[@Bigchet1223]

@alekbeaver4088 not all of us are content with being mediocre. The national media pumps this guy up. The woke Rich Eisens. I always get weird looks when I tell fans of other teams that I don't like Tomlin. I get "we'll take him!". I say you can have him. Or they say I like the way he talks! That's the only thing he knows how to do. Guy has been a head coach 17 years and still can't manage the clock or when to and when not to challenge. What got me was last week he didn't blitz 39 year old Flacco. A guy he's faced 22 times..He's clueless.

[@shinski8114]

coming from a browns fan lmao thats insane dont ever talk about the steelers like you are above them ever again xD

[@shinski8114]

half the forums online are calling for tomlin's head after every loss wtf u mean the fanbase is content with being average? You kidding? Steeler fans like defense. Thats why we love the steelers. True you cannot win it all with only defense anymore and tomlin knows this but not everyone has a top 5 pick for a QB every year now do we? Yall have had a top 10 pick for what 20 years and still cant do nothing im content with not being the browns

[@TheWeaselBrain]

One thing I have to disagree with is at the 13:07 mark. This previous AFC and NFC championship games were filled with teams with a great defense and a great run offense. The only one who wasn't was the Lions who are still not bad on defense. The Chiefs won a Superbowl the "old fashion" way and no one talks about it. They ran the ball and played great defense. Yes Mahommes is Mahommes and turned it on come playoff time but still it was the defense and running game that got them the ring.

[@jl3303]

I had a coach like that in college at University of Wisconsin (swimming not football). He eventually got fired from lack of results. He recruited very well but no one ever got significantly better and a ton of people quit or transferred (I transferred out luckily). This dude has all the red flags.

[@gambee_]

Aged like milk!

[@shinski8114]

yup we are 9-3 and tomlin is 2nd in COTY voting

[@DATGUYKY]

Only because of Russell Wilson. A proven Super Bowl winning qb. Saved the season.

[@99tjpro]

as a pats fan, i will be content with the steelers holding on mike tomlin forever

[@Hezfree]

Great video. Took guts to say what many fans believe. As a lifelong Steelers fan, it's so agonizing to hear people say "but he has winning seasons". Listen to the man who won 4 Super Bowls. Terry never should've apologized for telling the truth.

[@brianadigwe8732]

Great video 🙏🏾

[@jakepeters1404]

Very well put together. I enjoyed that keep it up. You’re doing great buddy.

[@sjday_]

I feel like some of these stats used are pretty purposefully misleading: -saying Defensive head coaches are a thing of the past because new rules make it harder is simply false. Every rule listed was implemented before 2019, when the Pats won solely off of their defense. -11 of the 12 head coaches to make it to the superbowl were offensive minded. That’s misleading, because half of them didn’t win, 6 offensive head coaches didn’t even win super bowls (not to mention most of them are the same head coach just in different years). And as per this video, records don’t matter, only winning a Super Bowl does, so really the stat should say 5/6 of the last coaches to win a Super Bowl were offensive minded. Also what a weird choice to do the last 6 super bowls? If you go back to say the last 10 super bowls, it’s 5/10, the other 4 years were all defensive head coaches (again, after most of the defensive rule changes you listed). -tomlin’s way of coaching leads to players who are less regimented and knowledgeable: Yeah, if you compare them to the patriots, because they are the MOST regimented team, to a point where it’s factually been proven to be a bad thing. -tomlin’s strategy of not running away from more problematic players is bad: factually, it’s a pretty good strategy and has proven results. I’m an educator, and what he said in that interviews about not wanting to teach people who don’t fit into your comfortability being a sign that your teaching is bad is so true. It’s your job to teach, that’s literally what he’s there to do. And if he can get such awful selfish players like AB to be studs for multiple years, that’s a sign his teaching is good (AB was a diva in Pittsburg but look how drastically worse it got when he left). -Tomlin’s coaching tree being bad: coaching trees are stupid and a horrible metric. Bill Belicheck, per your own words, is the greatest coach ever. His coaching tree SUCKS, sure many got hc positions but they’ve all been so resoundingly awful that they aren’t even wanted as oc or dc’s anymore. And here’s the thing: I don’t like Mike tomlin! I think his ability to get a not-losing record is genuinely commendable, and proves he’s reliable to do exactly that, which many teams would KILL for. But he’s also not won in a long time, and that’s a fact and it shows how he certainly has flaws and is in my opinion, simply an alright HC until he goes deep in the playoffs. He’s like Matt Stafford pre-rams Super Bowl win: a guy with stunning stats and nothing to show for it, and people don’t know how to feel. This is all to say, you can not like tomlin, there are things to not like, but don’t use such misleading stats and talking points. It’s cringe and makes the story less impactful when half of the things you said are either false or wildly misleading. Tl/dr: bad facts, very misleading

[@egwgsdgwegfqweqwrfqwef9877]

Crazy how nobody liked this take but as the season goes on, you are proven correct. The standard is mediocrity in Pittsburgh, and we will all waive our terrible towels and rejoice another 9-8 season.

[@juancervantes4085]

Wow, I didn't know the information that you presented about Mike Tomlin! Good research,!

[@nonamedoe9264]

“Didn’t end well for Matt”. 😂😂😂

[@themindseyecmh]

I always thought of Tomlin as a better Rex Ryan. He's good enough to "not have a losing season", but not good enough to win anything either. True he has two sb appearances early in his career with Cowher's roster... but I can't get past the fact that for a handful of seasons, he had Ben (arguably a top 5 qb in the league), Bell (arguably the best running back in the league), and Brown (arguably the best receiver in the league) and really doesn't have much to show for it. He seems like a likable guy, but he clearly doesn't have much control over that locker room.

[@Dayton412flyers]

Local media is constantly echoing your sentiment. Don’t know where you got the idea that they are scared… they say your exact argument all the time

[@StlrJimbo83]

The fact of the matter is that Tomlin should have been fired after the Jacksonville loss. Not making the Super Bowl with that team because you couldn’t get your players focused was an absolute joke. He is unwilling to adapt and thinks we are still in the 2009 NFL. One of the most mediocre coaches ever escaping being fired due to high end talent

[@jdt1981]

The standard is the standard and that standard is winning at least half the games in the regular season. That's all the standard will be as long as coach T is the Steelers coach... Great video and I totally agree with most of it.

[@Orxbane]

The Steelers standard is playing for Lombardis, Tomlin's standard is mediocrity.

[@matthewmooradian2837]

How is Belichick the greatest coach of all time? He just had the greatest qb of all time and as soon as he was gone Belichick couldn’t do anything.

[@WVU.STEELERS.CELTICS]

Yeah everyone crowns Andy Reid as the best coach of all time now, even though he was kicked outta Philly and never really did shit with the eagles. Patrick Mahomes has made his career.

[@geebee6010]

and lets not forget his record with Cleveland.

[@geeskin5750]

✳️ next to "best coach of all time"

[@brycelayn4439]

I’m a die heart Steelers fan. You are 10000% right

[@BMoney913]

the king of 9-9

[@Bread-Loaf-VR]

So real

[@Baldinosalvador]

You act like going .500 after facing Burrow and Lamar twice, with lousy quarterback play is ordinary.

[@Bread-Loaf-VR]

@@Baldinosalvador no its a good feat but that alone shouldn't give you the level of glaze this man has

[@mazz22]

9-9 is impossible it's a 17 game +1 bye season

[@BMoney913]

@@mazz22 9-8 in regular season and then 1st rounded lmao

[@shudderbutter4540]

The Jags game wasn't really close either, Steelers scored a meaningless TD at the very end otherwise it would've been another two score loss. It is bizarre to see how the media treats Tomlin vs someone like Mike McCarthy, they both have 1 SB win and nearly identical regular season records.

[@myplatinumlife]

Keeping Matt Canada around as long as he did is on Mike Tomlin. He knew it wasn’t working but was too stubborn to do anything about it. He and his counterpart in Pittsburgh, Pat Narduzzi, have that in common. As soon as they finally got rid of Canada the offense picked up. For the first time Pickett and Rudolph looked like serviceable QBs. Literally the first game he was gone was the first time they went over 400 yards in forever. He’s way too stubborn, and that’s why he has the people around him that he does

[@FrankMichaelSmith]

The Canada piece of this is the most egregious

[@acasas33]

In all this video you fail to mention the division we play in and its effects. That to me is an egregious omission and almost seems deliberate.

[@Orxbane]

The division where the Browns and Bengals sucked for ages?

[@Ethan_Aycock]

I respect the take and you make valid points on every area of his coaching career… on the other hand, if he can win and make playoffs without calling his own plays, with drafting poorly, and without a strong offense, and is basically a “cheerleader”, I think that is an amazing coach to do all that as an outdated overpaid and overhyped coach. Go Pack Go!

[@jeffvillapiano541]

Yes, if you're going to have a coach manage a trash roster then Mike Tomlin is the best in the business to make them competitive. But the problem is that his brand of football involves a trash roster, especially offensively.

[@tweedle_g]

Exactly…Roster turnover, what will get him in Canton is what he does from here on out, I don’t think the ‘08 ring is solid enough for the resume, look at the Mike McCarthy and Doug Petersons of the world…idk if they get in either

[@bradtournoux3487]

Well done, I felt like I’ve been saying this for years, upon deaf ears. It’s all laid out right there. It speaks for itself. It’s not something that we’re happy about, but this is what it is, eight years since a playoff win, but that’s not enough proof for most of these fans, it feels political.

[@jimstevenson424]

National not local media protects him, although his is a good coach. Wiki even says the front office fired Arians, when it was Tomlin, who may have been threatened (not so much Ben getting beat up). Like the Patriots success debate, it is hard to figure out who gets credit. How much goes to Cowher, Dan Rooney, Big Ben and even Ron Erhardt (Bill's original OC).

[@michaeldaniels9080]

The Franchise is making money with less. He saving them money. Money is always the root.

[@lucianferguson4839]

Do you not want to point out that the two players that had the biggest impact on Tomlin Super Bowl win was santonio Holmes and James Harrison neither of which were on 2005 team

[@dytrus8203]

Yes but brought in 2006 you know Cowhers last season

[@jdestiny777]

Saints fan here, hearing Sean Payton is very good hurt.....bad.....then I remembered the pain of him leaving us and that was worse. So with that, Sean Payton can stay at very good that's fine with me

[@spenserdeniro7265]

I am a die hard Steeler fan I totally agree. I think he’s a hall of famer but he is ruining his legacy. Now he is ruining the steelers.

[@AbleAnderson]

I’m a lifelong Steelers fan; please spread this video far and wide and get this true message out there. Many of us have been saying this for years. I hate to say this but I think part of the reason the media is hesitant to criticize him is bc they don’t wanna bury a black coach and all the baggage that comes with that. For awhile there the NFL got down to one or two black head coaches, and the liberal media couldn’t dare rip the last one left; he was the great beacon for what black coaches could be. Nobody had the guts to stand up and say that this beacon isn’t even that good

[@Orxbane]

Black beacons are never very good.

[@jakegoldberg6700]

It’s so easy to say he has never had a losing season and that’s his credibility, but ur right he really hasn’t done anything else and that’s not worthy of keeping ur head coaching job in the NFL

[@AnonymousYouTubR]

I personally think the physical style of football doesn’t go well in playoffs… your players will be all beaten up from the season getting dissected by the smart players. Ravens, Pittsburg, raiders, Cowboys… not really playoff teams

[@wagarts157]

In the last 12 years the Steelers have only had four seasons where they were better than the last team into the playoffs. They've been an average team with above average talent

[@Ebidle]

as a steeler fan that kinda likes tomlin still. all of these critiques are spot on really. but what confuses me is how he manages to get away with it? like is it literally because he’s never had a record below .500 and he’s won a super bowl and two lamar hunt trophies? that’s it? i agree with the beginning that if you get rid of the two super bowl berths entirely he’d probably be on the hot seat but how tf is he STILL getting away with it? EDIT: after week 5 of the 2024 season Loss to the cowgirls: yeah fucking fire tomlin

[@Orxbane]

Because the Steelers don't fire head coaches, and they certainly don't fire black head coaches they hired after pushing through the Rooney Rule.

[@UnkownSoldier100]

Tomlin has done a great job this year.

[@drallialberts]

Personally really enjoyed this video and how well researched and thought out it was.

[@NeweraGolf]

BAHAHAHAH tomlin is the goat

[@Silverlynx35]

Stopped watching when you put Payton on the list as Very Good. Rode Brees to a SB 15 years ago, never returned, riddled with the scandal of Bounty Gate. Just no.

[@chuckyjamesamartin1968]

He also was 1 referee cuck away from making Super Bowl 53. He extended Brees' career by simplifying the offense for him and making it more run heavy.

[@UserName-ts3sp]

We will see how great he is with Denver and developing Bo Nix tbh.