The Harsh Reality of League Hacking

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[@oSchaufelmann]

NO

[@oSchaufelmann]

There are way more games out there using kernel level anti-cheat if thats what you are concerned about. You very very likely have already installed such on your PC at least once@NeonDH10

[@ellaryrion6317]

If you haven't seen Unity Reaserch's video on vanguard and kernel level anticheat, it's well worth it. Even with vanguard, scripting can and will be performed on raspberry pis and arduinos. kzbin.info/www/bejne/iKjdeqRmaduXZq8feature=shared

[@sandycultofthesun]

It's s an emotional rollercoaster watching your videos. On one hand you are imo the best, or one of the best league content creators. On the other hand it's 2024 and you're using an ewok furry vtuber avatar. I nearly turn the video off every single time I have to look at it. I don't though.

[@brynjo12]

get that bag ryscu

[@Levi_Ackerman_005]

I don't know why, but I fully expect vanguard to detect the league client as a possible threat and terminate it immediately, basically making it impossible to play.

[@EmiTerasu_]

But, like, is that a bad thing though? 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@MangaGamified]

It detecting threats to your social life, vanguard would be a chad.

[@AcediaRulerOfSloth]

Thats basically valorant's vanguard except they don't even let you use your PC :P

[@louisrobitaille5810]

Sounds like you don't understand how any of it work then 🧐.

[@TheGodOfHentai]

Hey lets just hope it doesn't end up Being like VRChats Easy Anti Cheat which my friend of mine made it detect itself as a cheat/hack and then permanently banned over 1000-10k players instantly with a perma ban.

[@AzabeReviewsEN]

Unreal , how many hackers and bots popup in the last 2-3 years.

[@xy2447]

its crazy how i haven't seen a single case he presented since 2019, hundreds of games, and the only thing that would be suspicious is someone hitting everything, but that could just be a skill issue on my part. My region is EUW, I wouldn't be surprised if it's the least hacked region.

[@Zorban13]

@@xy2447 I also play on EUW and I've had 2 lobby crashes this year but I haven't seen a game drophacked since like 2016 or whatever year it was when drophacking was an epidemic and was a lot more popular. Scripters are the most common "cheats" in my experience but they're still pretty rare. I think the NA server is much worse for all these things.

[@0xf444]

That's because "hacker" tools are now available everywhere and anyone can potentially use them given basic knowledge. Creating these tools is the real challenge imo and is what sets a REAL hacker apart from just a tools user.

[@xy2447]

yeah it has to be korea and NA, sucks that everyone has to use vanguard@@Zorban13

[@SkinShowcase-zm3rs]

@@xy2447 U need glasses then or u have high EGO. There are so many scripters out there and s oeasy to spot. Only this year i saw like 100 scripters. But i think they got banned becouse after my report they don't play any more games.

[@TZAR_POTATO]

I lost count of how many League players have shown up in the Dota 2 reddit saying "want to learn Dota because I hate vanguard and the Tencent" ... It's a real scare, whether you agree or disagree with it.

[@migueltlg]

Yes sir

[@werstef8681]

same with starcraft it seems :))

[@Vennele]

Oh, you're the one that teaches Dota2! I love your videos, I'm not too sure if the laptop I use for league would run Dota tho, sad. 😂

[@TZAR_POTATO]

@@VenneleI am :) And why not, it's a very well optimized game...even if kind of buggy sometimes.

[@Vennele]

@@TZAR_POTATO , I'll see what can be done! :D After all, I don't need the graphics to be set on high to enjoy the game, hahaha

[@javiergarrote5048]

No joke, you need to use a different kind of thumbnail for this “higher effort” videos. It kinda throws you off.

[@user-zd3iz3xx6k]

its actually great, i kinda dig it, because bro would just turn into a SunnyV2 of league and well, this makes him kinda unique!

[@EternalNexxxx]

I feel this

[@therealicyqueen]

Apparently it works since he has high viewer count

[@Cxyphre]

hmm i like the thumbnail tho

[@PhyrexianHex]

Hilarious. A guy with literally zero subscribers telling a guy w/ 250k+ how to do his job. Please just like have a modicum of self-awareness going forward. Lmfao

[@FrontierGamers]

Are we really supposed to trust a company with kernel-level software to not brick our PCs when they cant even fix 10 year old bugs in their flagship game?

[@djklaudin9924]

Yea I’ve had vanguard since Valorant was in beta and my pc is fine

[@davo4074]

​​​​@@djklaudin9924it essentially bricked my brothers it took up 1.23 terabytes and wouldn't allow him to uninstall it. He had to get new SSD and fresh windows. He also signed into his modem and get into his traffic, even when it was exited it was sending data back to a host server with scrambled credentials. This guy isn't far from off.

[@bedoof1]

xD Yea because the company benefits so much from destroying your PC. Seriously, how dumb are you for spouting such nonsense?

[@interpoles3295]

most anti-cheat is kernel level

[@FrontierGamers]

@@interpoles3295 and most foods are shit for us. Its because we just accept it, not because it's better for us.

[@Jacknzyeah]

Linux players are fully iced out while mac users can continue without using Vanguard.... Plus these Kernel lvl anticheats have been beaten already...

[@velocity960]

kvm cheats is why Linux is blocked. that shit ran val for like 6 months. iirc, there is actually still a way to use kvm passthrough to get past vanguard and the Linux block.

[@Jacknzyeah]

@@velocity960afaik they use video capture cards with ai frame processing tools to bypass the ram readout where normal cheats get their info from... Some monitors already have ai functionality like giving warning when enemy is on screen... I get that closing off the more easy and affordable ways to hack. for me its way to intrusive to use on my main pc. Thats my ick and I don't fault anyone who is not concerned about it. From my point it feels like there wasn't even an effort to solve this problem and I, as Linux neckbeard, don't take kindly to it

[@MangaGamified]

It's a 'lose-win' lose cause there are still cheaters who bypassed them, even if it's an arms-race they still have to shell out personnel and resources, and the other unrelated players who sees it's a never ending arms-race would lose trust and consistency. Win in the context of players are saved from this abomination of a esports-only optimized game, and they can be way more productive in life.

[@WasabiCannon]

@@Jacknzyeah Its very minor but there was a monitor that was being advertised like right when Riot announced Vanguard for LoL. The monitor had alerts built into it for when you were about to get ganked. Ya just look at the mini map but it is still an advantage over other people. Less time looking at the mini map means you can focus 100% on your lane.

[@TehNoobiness]

There's also Direct Memory Access, which happens at the hardware level--basically, instead of trying to get at the RAM via the kernel, you get at the RAM via a PCIe card that just reads from RAM like any other component would On FPSes you can also often abuse QoL/accessibility features like crosshair highlighting by having a device read the pixels at the center of your screen and emit a LMB input when something turns red. What are you gonna do, ban people for left clicking? (You can do statistical analysis on the inputs, but...Vanguard ain't statistical analysis. It's a thug with a crowbar telling you he'll stand in your living room and bonk any suspicious processes.)

[@ui8087]

As someone who played on the Chinese server, it is nothing like any of the other servers. The main distinction would be China’s flat out size as a country. There is no way you can have a singular server host that many players across such a large and wide country. What did they do? They split China into roughly 30 separate regional based servers for players to select ones that have the most comfortable ping. This means that each and EVERY server was segregated and individual from one another and required a purchase of a region transfer to be moved to and from once accounts were made. This also means that each and every server had its own distinct player base as well as ranked ladder. Demacia’s ranked ladder would be completely separate from Noxus’s ranked ladder much like how NA’s ranked ladder has nothing to do with EU West or EU North’s respectively. Examples: Players playing from Taiwan typically selected a server named Black Rose, while I played on both Ionia and Zuan from Shanghai because the pings were both below 20. That being said, it baffles me that the NA server decided to completely fuck over their pro scene and west coast players by moving their SINGULAR server to Chicago rather than add a Midwest server as well as an East Coast server instead.

[@xiaoliu7071]

Riot could care less. That's really the bottom line.

[@bigdoof5715]

Think they were concerned with the player base being too small but its been a long time so I dont remember well, all i know is i went from 80 ping to 20s :)

[@MangaGamified]

@@xiaoliu7071 I think most are just watching and reminiscing the old times like yours truly. Is it just me who hoped someone would buy them out and kick everyone out that's not a developer role. I'm pretty sure there's no changing for this game now, atleast for the better. Everyone is trying to be the spark for someone to make a change.

[@srensen3081]

i dont think theres enough people playing league to fill out multiple servers in na

[@hhbddjstar]

I didn't realize that Riot decided to move their server. No wonder as of recent the game has been...a bit clunky to me. And maybe it was just my imagination, but some of the players I was playing with...start dodging a bit...too good. I'm E1/D4, and yes, there's always at least 2-3 smurfs in every game (which Riot refuses to do anything about since it boosts their player base), but a lot of them dodge at angle you wouldn't think they can or the player behavior is just strange. It's to the point nowadays in order to ensure a skillshot hit, I would just point-blank things at times just to be safe.

[@texo456]

Banning someone from playing any Riot game under threat of LEGAL PROSECUTION sounds both dystopian AND like the best way to finally kick this fucking addiction.

[@Mempler]

True, but that's literally how its done nowadays. if you're a Dev of a cheat; you got 2 options. Work for the FBI (or the company you cheated at as anti cheat developer) or get jailtime. however, people who cheat usually only get their accounts banned. Pretty scary imo

[@ОрестЕфремов]

@@Mempler since when cheats are THAT illegal?

[@MIKAEL212345]

Yeah, its true it sounds crazy, but if we analogize this to something in real life, it isn't so crazy. Imagine instead of a video game, Riot ran a pick up basketball league. They matched people based on skill. Every once in a while, you get a crazy dude who stabs the basketball with a knife to cancel the match so they don't have to lose. The player keeps showing up using fake names and IDs and keeps ruining games. After a while, you will call the police on them and them that they aren't allowed to be part of the league, and that they will be sued if they continue. This sounds pretty normal and fine imo.

[@Mempler]

@user-ir6pg9iy2k since the very beginning. It's usually pretty hidden news, though, but i know a few people who got prosecuted, thanks to developing a cheat. If you develop a cheat, you have 3 unspoken rules: 1) Dont sell it (due to tax evasion) 2) Dont try to access other peoples computers (obviously federal crime) 3) Dont try to access servers directly (same reason as 2)

[@IceMoon]

You don't own the game, and the terms & service that someone clicks on does go over reasons they can ban access to it.

[@kogmawgaming]

What I dislike the most is that Vanguard is still bypassable, just take a look at the direction modern day CS2 cheats are going, if you think stuff like that isn't available for League you're just not in the right circles

[@velocity960]

yep. this stuff doesn't happen on Reddit, it happens on a locked cs.rin type forum that only 10 people can see

[@MangaGamified]

Imagine if League has a skin market like CS, cheat vendors would have an incentive to take League seriously. If cheaters keep winning, they get more crates than on average, thus sell more than the average player, thus longer subscription to cheats. It's a symbiotic relationship.

[@peacepham7838]

What are you talking about? EVERYTHING is bypassable if you're the admin and you WANT it.

[@didyoubringthemilk]

you dont have to be the admin xdd ​@@peacepham7838

[@chasedavis36]

I'm still shocked they just haven't created a new client for league yet....it's so buggy 😂 multi billion dollar company doesn't wanna spend the $$ for a new launcher on their most successful game... meanwhile fortnite overhauled their entire game into UE5

[@jessquid]

they actually did in like 2016. the old client was less buggy than the new one

[@chasedavis36]

@@jessquid how is this not shocking 😂

[@predossoderp]

@@jessquid the old client was a lot simpler, but waaaaaay more functional

[@narhwallord6985]

​@@jessquid No it wasn't. The old client was just as buggy with 1/10th features. There is obviously something inherent about the design of league that inhibits any sort of strides into changing the lobby and client systems.

[@milandjukic738]

@@narhwallord6985 ofc launcher is buggy when its running as fucking web launcher.

[@strahinja9513]

There is no speculation to be made about any form of sending requests to riot's API to be blocked by Riot Vanguard. It's literally how their client works. Lobby crasher and all the other exploits in the client just abuse POST and GET requests which Riot doesn't care to check. From what I know in the last 4 years the only thing they cared about enough to add a check for literally ddosing clients by spamming game invites and some lobby crashers.. Which they fixed by limiting it to 50. There are ways to Q lvl 1 accounts in ranked and to force dodge an enemy player or teammate which they of course don't give a shit about.

[@kogmawgaming]

Shoutout to that dude on twitter that reverse engineered the entire client and made one from scratch

[@strahinja9513]

@@kogmawgaming If we are thinking of the same guy he got a cease and desist from Riot and handed over the source code to them which ofc they didn't use to fix their buggy asf client.

[@scoper7897]

@@strahinja9513 lobby crasher is actually very simply put. Its basically when you queue to ranked and lobby reveal to see everyones match history. If i see any bad players or inters in my team i crash it. its basically connecting to custom game lobby at the same time while ur in ranked and then leaving the custom game. That makes you leave the ranked match and everyone else just gets stuck in it unless they close league because league client gets confused when its missing 1 players and none dodged

[@scoper7897]

@@strahinja9513 speed exploit is most fun still tho. you can almost infinitely scale movement speed still and its undetected after so many years of it not being fixed. it only gets you banned if someone tickets you

[@strahinja9513]

@@scoper7897 I understand how it works. That's still using the API. The fix for that is not Vanguard. They just need to add a check if you're already in game/champ select to create a lobby. They're too lazy tho.

[@7vultur]

The main issue is that you are forced to install something on Kernel level, wich will have more power in your computer than all the things that a normal user is allowed to even on administrator mode. People that have more knowledge with computing and pc in general, know that having that shit wich makes tencent be breached in your computer is lowkey fucked up. And it's also running all the time, it doesn't just turn on the moment you are playing.

[@GrugGaming]

And considering the source code for LoL was leaked, whose to say there isn't a backdoor for the exact moment vanguard is implemented? That or scripts/cheats already able to bypass it easily when it's forced.. poor insight I guess

[@7vultur]

@@GrugGaming unless the implementation is incredibly shitty, there shouldn't be place for a backdoor from the league client since they operate at different levels. But being an outsider idk how they are doing it, hopefully they being indie developers, know some cybersecurity.

[@Karavusk]

Kernel level anti cheat is nothing new and surprisingly common. The big difference with Vanguard is that it runs at startup before pretty much anything else and if you close it you have to restart your PC in order to play again. All the other kernel level anti cheats are only active while you are playing the game.

[@MrMango331]

​@Karavusk The big thing with Vanguard is it's in control of CCP. I already see the headlines once the proxy war begins

[@michaeljeferson9118]

@@Karavuskthe problem though is that kernel level anti-cheat is literally made redundant by having a effective ‘security’ team which deals with things like botting and cheaters. It’s not necessary in any meaningful way and just presents a major security risk in the long term. League is already a basically fully automated system which doesn’t work half the time so having more automation won’t do anything

[@jonahriola3325]

The Raid Shadow Legends "Oh I have to keep talking about it?" 😂😂😂

[@andrewgalarza6]

Dude that killed me

[@AidanWR]

You can't play Zed with Aftershock. It automatically changes it to Grasp since Zed has no way to trigger Aftershock

[@elia0162]

So I'll tell you how scripting work on valorant it is basically an external computer that see video signal of the main computer, read the pixels and send input to the main pc accordingly and there isn't a single way to detect this

[@nataoliveira2247]

at this point it's G_G

[@kambyznn149]

i dont know about other servers, in EUW this season was the first season i almost reached diamond rank and it was the worst experience i had ever. the amount of full lobbies of Chinese named players playing weird strategies and making weird moves is unbelievable, lee sins that always dodge everything even from fog of war or Ezreals sniping you across the map in a dark area. and worst of all, team wide disconnects that only happen at convenient times like when a team fight is about to happen or a 3v3 tower dive or...

[@MangaGamified]

**Some enemies died** **Someone temporarily disconnects the game, and connects it when his team has revived** 🤣

[@zeronothinghere9334]

Ezreal sniping you from fog of war is very unlikely to be because of a cheat. Any computer is only receiving their team's information and things that are close to the fog of war so that the client can load it. They are NOT receiving the information of you recalling in the dark. For the Ezreal to be cheating, the server itself must be compromised. At which point a drophack would seem way better than just allowing Ezreal to hit 1! (one) R

[@adriendm]

Just had a cybersecurity lecture today talking about social engineering and network vulnerabilities. This video comes out at the perfect time! So interesting. Thank you.

[@MangaGamified]

You may not learn much cause their security is pre-dated if not at the basic level.

[@hawolt]

your videos and editing just keep getting better, please make more of these documentaries!

[@TheMCmace]

a local champions match like in the LCK shouldn't even be online on their servers tbh

[@Mr_Jhin]

1 like = 1 skip for every raid shadow add on every video

[@exerosis5758]

As a developer, I will say many of the issues with the league client are not really technological but the result of lazy developers/bad prioreties or poor dev management. In theory (just like the game) the client should just be a user interface that allows you to request that actions be performed on the server, for example 'queue me up', 'edit my runes', etc. Just because you have a client that doesn't use web technology doesn't mean you are immune to primitive exploits like the ones shown here. In my personal opinion, serverside anticheat and correct serverside access control could be used to make it nearly impossible to tell the difference between a cheating player and a good one. That is to say that cheats can only take advantage of artifically increased latency to make moves based on the state of the game in the future. (and ofc scripts which will always be an issue in every game no matter what in my opinion) If you want an example of this take a look at the most advanced minecraft anticheats, the developers of these anticheats don't even get to control what data the game sends between client and server and even with this incredibly sigificant handicap they can still bring cheating to almost zero without installing anything on a players computer.

[@peacepham7838]

I think you wrong when trying to compare game like LoL or Val netcode to Minercraft. There's no way what work on Minercraft server will work on LoL/Val. A competitive game with lot of server check like that will feel like shit, for real. Like it's not that Valve have been doing that for yrs on CSGO and now CS2, right? Right?

[@exerosis5758]

@@peacepham7838 I think you can do it, it doesn't have to be synchronous checks.

[@igntwentty7045]

The client is made with CEF (Chrome Embedded Framework) so..

[@FaeridaeCrawford]

Everyone knows cheaters are bad but everyone also fears that vanguard might fuck up your system...

[@47slogra]

Don't care, same way nobody that plays Valorant cares

[@dissidius13]

​​@@47slogra ok cvck. Valorant still has cheaters, what now? Vanguard is practically useless and just a parasite then.

[@Whietie]

​@@47slogra what if there are ppl like me and don't play Valorant cause of Vanguard? Thousands of hours in LoL but I'll drop it if Vanguard comes. And I'm not the only gamer who thinks the same

[@TheSquirrelbeast]

@@Whietie That's your right. Lol and Valorant will continue to exist though. There's plenty of other games you can have fun with.

[@Whietie]

@@TheSquirrelbeast yeah, I know. It's just i see lots of comments in same words: noone cares, it's only bunch of crazy weirdos etc. It's just i want higher standards in gaming industry so i'm vocal about things i dislike. Lots of shit happening in LoL could be fixed without Vanguard and Vanguard many of them won't fix. I don't like whole kernel lvl AC which is going more and more popular but it won't fix cheating problem. Ofc it restricts it by some margin but create new problems which happens from time to time and to which i'll never agree unless i have to (ie drivers to GPU, mouse)

[@crimsonhawk52]

Looking forward to seeing that vanguard video. All the news around it, especially the stuff about "if you play any of these other games on your PC, you already have something like vanguard" basically made me do a big sigh of relief that I'm 99.99% a console gamer. All I have to do is drop league

[@TheDendran]

I mean anti-cheat is all god and things but: The main issue here is that it is supposed to work on _Root/Kernel level_ of your machine, which something like (for perspective) a small program for a small online game should *_NEVER_* have. The community is not afraid of Vanguard itself, we even encourage Riot to develop and ship it out. What we dread is: When it gets compromised, any infection nests directly at the base of your machine, which from a cyber security standpoint is equivalent to a doomsday scenario Also, having this all under chinese houserules (Tencent) leaves a moldy aftertaste in your mouth...

[@sozetsukokai]

isn't it also that Vanguard will be running at all times, even when not playing the game? that's what makes it lucrative to breach it because you can then access millions of PCs cuz it's always on.

[@hownoble6404]

I had a hacker in my game that I still remember, he was sion and legitimitely did a 180 on his ult in the jg by red buff. He went from going 1 direction to complete opposite instantly, in the space of a jg with numerous walls.

[@ThievingDuo]

There he is, the cat, the boi, Ryscu, jumping outta the bush with another banger video on a super interesting topic

[@officebear4637]

Cringe ahh

[@DeadMar0z]

@@officebear4637 What's cringe about it?

[@tassiodrigues]

@@DeadMar0z OfficeBear is just jealous

[@Night_Hawk_475]

On the topic of LCK games not using a "true lan" because they still connect to an online server even though everyone is together -- riot actually does self-host local servers on premises for Worlds specifically because of networking problems that they've had in the past for tournaments. So they definitely know about the concept and have experience with it. I'm surprised they haven't done this for the regional season matches like you're pointing out, since those tend to always be at one location for the entire season, it'd probably be much easier to setup than worlds, since that moves between several locations during the tournament even.

[@AngellicRuby]

One of the reasons people dont want vanguard for league is because vanguard tends to require a full pc restart when the game updates, and for a game like league where there's subweekly patches this will create a lot of frustration

[@nathanielbass771]

i'd be more concerned about the huge drop in resources it's known to have and the fact that it can also disable your hardware via false positives, notably fans and cooling systems. There is then the problem that this software can be running multiple times on your system and is nearly impossible to remove.

[@peacepham7838]

@@nathanielbass771 "can also disable your hardware via false positives, notably fans and cooling systems", that had been issue long ago and no more. At the time factory software was full holes of exploit, but with Vanguard release and Microsoft push on security boot TPM, more and more factory update their driver, which is a good thing. As long as your new MotherBoard date 2021 onward, it's guccy.

[@quantumhawk806]

I have never had this happen. Only when vanguard has an update am i forced to restart.

[@D.Bartholomeo]

PC restart Takes 15 secs lol....

[@nathanielbass771]

@@D.Bartholomeo depends upon your hardware. I've seen restarts take 5 minutes just due to how badly windows is optimized.

[@nickkossmann1422]

I encountered my first hacker like 2 weeks ago. He had something super similar to what you were saying with the lobby crasher, but he was able to crash every single persons actual game on our team only, including himself. We were all super confused but his own team even outed him and said he was hacking

[@Taycatte]

Your editing and video quality has improved sooo much lately. Nice work.

[@AshenThorne]

Now I have to wonder how many random "attempting to reconnect" screens could have been drop hacking over the years.. would make sense of that happening with seemingly no reason or visible connection difficulty, at really specific moments in a match.

[@unknown20005]

i ain’t surprised at all that league has hackers i think every big pvp game has hackers for some reason everyone tells me that there are no hackers in fortnite but that’s literally the biggest piece of bull i have ever heard

[@thekingofawesomeness9173]

Everything i know about vangard tells me it only works with blatent hacking so valorant is still actually pleged with cheaters and they just dont notice it in game

[@Mello675]

plagued

[@aabrightlove]

*blatant

[@Blueprint4Murder]

The boosters/booster pawns don't even need hacks with lane que. They just run botted accounts in there opposing lane and feed themself 6 early. With the riot AI improvements, and actual AI they even chat when you call them out to create static.

[@Neru619]

It baffles me to this day how Riot, a multibillion dollar company, cannot just host their tournaments on remote servers.

[@DIDeusIratus]

Tl;dr riot's trash spaghetti code client is still a root for most problems of these kinds in the game. I genuinely don't understand why they don't shift to a one-client style like Valorant which they literally have the functional code for and they could probably transform to league in maybe a month of work behind the scenes? This would solve so much more issues, make it a more modern client and not cuck people with random google chrome pop-ups that interrupt their games (I have a couple friends that claim they keep getting randomly stuck in chrome lmao). They have all the means to improve the client once and for all but they just refuse to do it

[@quanghieulee238]

If I am not wrong, PBE client is one-client style.

[@47slogra]

Would take too much work and resources to just make the exact same thing. Not a single investor or CEO actually aproves work that will take a long time for 0 profit

[@Maydnight]

Meanwhile Dota 2, a very old mobba like league has a one client style -w-

[@worldeater3242]

If removing the forgotten scorpion champion took them three years because of his game interactions, removing the client might actually open a portal to hell irl

[@velocity960]

maybe... a month... of work... for a new client.......... bruh. I'll take a wild guess that you've never designed software before

[@maryrose001]

I just had a game were everyone disconnected despite 2 enemys and they didnt have any problems while we disconnected for 10 - 15 mins just unfair that must be a hack for sure, they turned of vanguard.

[@Avgsharkenjoyer]

your production value has gone up to rather impressive standards from what I remember of this channel even just a few months ago, well done.

[@Veienn]

Keep in mind that vanguard has been hacked in valorant and it will be hacked in league. Just a matter of time.

[@onechippyboi]

Honestly I dont know how I feel about vanguard because its kernel level software. Everyone says that its just meaningless paranoia, but its important to understand that when you give any software kernel access like that they bypass all security protocols in place on your computer. Software never asks for this sort of thing because its not ever necessary to except for this one situation for cheat detection. This includes both the security of not having crappy code brick your computer and not giving away access to all the data currently running on your machine. I had a lot of issues with games/software not running properly when I last had vanguard installed for Valorant and it was very irritating that I was closing out of vanguard to play other games and then restarting my computer to be able to play Valorant. I just absolutely do not have faith in Riot to not write and push out dangerous spaghetti code. I dont want to rely on their amazing track record of cybersecurity and believe that they arent just giving other hackers a really easy backdoor into installing ransomware on my system. Not worth, rather just deal with cheaters occasionally.

[@formaltaliti]

13:18 - it's not always due to lack of training. The company I work for has yearly training on these topics - people still fall for it.

[@macarrony123]

Just started watching the video while in champ select and thought never seen a lobby crasher... And then it just happen crazy at 0 second crash

[@unknown20005]

also vanguard was actually originally created for valorant but lately more games have been adopting it for anti cheat software and while hackers and cheaters do still get through it i think vanguard has had some of the highest amount of cheaters caught and banned over any other anti cheat even exposing some of the trickiest streamers that were hacking and forcing some of them to either shut down their channel for good or have to make drastic changes and many apologies and promises to never cheat again while losing fans in droves

[@honkSchumacher]

You'd have to be ignorant to believe that there is no hacking, cheating or scripting in league. But it is not even remotely as problematic as in most other online games.

[@the_armada5579]

Once in a norms years ago I saw an enemy who had 666 ad, 666 ap, 69 armor and 69 mr level 1. It was pretty funny tbh

[@wudookid]

Online gaming is so plagued right now. I remember cheaters being a problem for every game as long as I've played games, but currently the amount of people who hack has grown soooooo much more. I believe it simply comes to 3 core factors: 1) Many popular games actually have been developed quite some time ago and with lack of constant technical upgrades they just won't be able to protect it's players from new hacks 2) People who design and develop hacks are learning and adopting to existing systems that are supposed to prevent hacking + we have AI now that also powers the hacks (fairly enough this can also be used against hacks too) 3) Online games are getting a little bit out of hand in terms of accessibility and every game tries to be mechanically WAAAY too advanced for average gamer, so the last resort for many of them is just to purchase / download hacks. PERSONAL SIDE NOTE: Remember when we had so many click and point abilities? Remember stunning/snaring GP with point and click and NOT being mad about the fact he has Orange to cleanse the CC, because it was NOT hard to land CC at first place. Now you have to try hard to land abilities and in case of mistake from GP side - he can always cleanse that mistake. Do you feel the same as you did when we had those simple abilities? And this is just one example of how frustrating game design leads towards a popularization of hacks in games.

[@Trevan2412]

I'm not too worried about Vanguard. Let's be real, if Riot wanted my personnal info, they wouldn't need a kernel level program to get it. The client is more than enough.

[@draculemihawk10]

The problem is that if Riot gets hacked again then the hacker will have access to Vanguard which runs on kernel level aka that hacker can literally have full control over a PC with Vanguard on it

[@peacepham7838]

@@draculemihawk10 First, you DON'T need a kernel level access to read information (all your app can do this) or hack a PC, ALL of it just can happen with a click on a link. Second, if you want to hack, you find a backdoor or exploit in poor security, NOT try to hack a well guarded anti-cheat, you try to find a hole, NOT slam your head on the wall, so just sleep well.

[@kyrax9462]

@@draculemihawk10 no. that's not how it works lmao.

[@overpoweredjelly3513]

Not sure if Lobby crashers are bad when the matchmaking is rigged in order to make you play more just so you are more likely to spend money. All that while the game is advertised as a "competitive team moba"

[@balazsfoldes4700]

I literally never encountered a hacker in 10+ years of playing league. Conpared to other games, where certain maps are literally unplayable because of them, it's amazing how little cheating there is.

[@ronnyrdr6553]

2:20 that is crazy. I already had suspicions people where doing it on purpose. But at the click of a button o.0

[@lool270]

One of the first league of legends hacks I remember was an urgot that used cheat engine to put more points in his masteries/runes so that he didn't have any flash or smite cool downs. Very fun to look that up

[@lauralunar8340]

I had an ARAM game years ago, probably would have been around 2016. I was stuck in loading screen; I left my pc on to see what would happen. About an hour later I checked, it had loaded, and I was the only one in the game, I decided to play it and win.

[@Elessar_Telcontar]

Part of why pro matches are usually not on LAN is because RIOT will have 24-7 security on the server. 24-7 security is expensive. In Korea they play right next to the servers. Normally, this means they don’t need lan.

[@Dyna1One]

I like how at 7:30, "if we notice the same people repeatedly displaying extreme toxicity or antisocial behaviour" meanwhile in 2018 they even let Tyler play alongside Phreak in the for-fun MDT v TMG game on the LCS broadcast and is a partner with the game I love Riot

[@Zero]

Riot seems too focused on growing and new IPs and the Chinese market that they are forgetting their core (League of Legends players). We need League 2.0 bad, and I think Riot has a great answer in wild rift. Wildrift feels like lol 2.0 in a good way but needs to be scaled up to match PC experience but I'm not sure if Riot can meet this large of a move. So many pain points in the current lol game and most of them could be fixed with a new coded lol 2.0 but seeing how the client updates worked out I know it will never happen. The only hope I have for league in the future is wild rift, once it gets ported to console maybe we could see a pc port as well with mouse and keyboard support.

[@47slogra]

Well since you made evident you know absolutly nothing of coding let me explain this to you: a theoric LoL 2.0 or LoL2 would require the team to literaly buoild the entire game from the ground up once again with a new engine all while still updating old version and making the new content taking into account BOTH of those games. That would take years of work, even without taking into account the fact that they would have to code new champs items and all for both games at the same time. Overwatch and Overwatch 2 are an example of what they had to do to remake Overwatch in a new engine: stop working compleatly for a long period of time in the old game to make the new one. If Riot did the same the game would just die for not having new content for months or years. You bring wild rift as an example, but we do not know if they could reuse the code for a PC version

[@Zero]

@@47slogra what did I say that was wrong? I stated that Wildrift could be used as the new engine going forward. We all know it would be a long project that would take some time to finish. Wildrift is a different engine that was built up from the ground, devs in wildrift can do som really cool stuff map/ item wise that pc league cant because of the limitations of the current engine. They could 100% reuse the code from wildrift on PC its built in Unity so translates well. The only thing that would need attention would be the models, since wildrift has lower res models for mobile. I'm not saying port WR to pc but to use the engine they made for it going forward for league 2.0. Just doesn't make sense to keep using more resources outside of it.

[@dissidius13]

​@@47slograidi0t they already have wildrift. they just stingy and lazy to rewrite the codes for PC LoL and instead put all resources in skin making. vanguard won't even stop scripters and botters because they already bypassed that even in Valorant. Vanguard is just a parasite application at this point.

[@hehexd5317]

@@47slogra you sound like a redditor lmao. "it would take time, the game would just die because no content" as opposed to them releasing huge patches every 2 weeks, where they adjust a given number for a given champ by 1, doing so for like 10 champs out of 200? or them releasing new skins? there is barely any content in the game anyway, aside for the new champs, which most people would be happier if they stopped releasing abomination after abomination anyway. all in all, i doubt we'll see a decrease in "content realeased" that would hinder the game in any way, it could actually help the game a bit even. they aren't doing it, because there's no incentive for them to do so, not like the game not being utter dogshit, barely chugging on and being a playground for all sorts of messes and hackers, would increase the money the game makes monthly, it would probably improve the game's longevity, but big wigs don't care about long term gains, just short term ones, so when the game is at death's door, is when we'll start hearing about "lol 2", like blizzard did with ow

[@davo4074]

When vanguard comes to league my 13 years of playing league will come to and end.

[@SeanIsAFatty]

One thing to note is that with the leak of the source, that could entirely be tied to the DDoSing of servers and gameclients by malicious actors, as the source could possibly include the encryption method used to hide Riot IDs. The source itself must include the functions used to encrypt information, and if the people who got a hold of the source have the knowhow, they can reverse these functions and make a tool that would let them ping and decrypt information from an account. With the Chinese client being vastly different (This could also be the case fo GArena as well), this means that the encryption method they use locally is different to those used on the global client. This is a significant point that I think should be made, since it was only AFTER the source was stolen that these things began to happen, and since then, actions have only escalated. Otherwise, great video. A note I'd like to add: Please lower the glow effect of white elements on dark background. I thought my eyes were having issues at 13:02.

[@stamdar1]

It's kinda embarrassing that LCK doesn't use a locally hosted game server.

[@fritztraubeneiche3395]

I love this game and i hate cheating...people who are cheating in this game has no selfhonor ! This vanguard is too much for me as an IT-system electrician, I will not install a anticheatsystem on kernel-level, this game is not so important to make your system unstable. Those who are master or above can buy an pc only for this game okay, but I will not do so. If riot only made something like steam got as an anticheatsystem, which only starts when you start the game and is not a rootkit and I hade never problems with this anticheat programm

[@psychcave691]

Bro my room went dark so i hit my tiny toe and all that for a RAID SHADOW LEGENDS AD....

[@Zoey--]

So basically what I'm hearing is that the source code sale is why we're getting Vanguard and why I'm quitting league, already have in fact.

[@Sanji1337]

Internal Driver hook can easily bypass vanguard AC

[@wnsjimbo2863]

playing since season 1 (500+ games per year on average) from bronze to gm , hackers in league are rare af, last 5 years i noticed like 5

[@hikari1690]

There was a time in season 8 or 9 (when shyvanna came out iirc) where I can't win a game cause when I start popping off I get DC-ed. It sucked how they can ddos you from just your username at the time.

[@DIDeusIratus]

You've had genuine luck lmao. I've been through the same elo's and I've spotted quite a few more. I'm mostly talking about scripters / botters which still falls under 'hacking' or cheating though, not as much as these lobby crashers or drophacks. As you start approach diamond there's a lot more scripters around, more common in streamer lobbies and being caught in 4K with riot taking no action lmao. On the other end, you have people botting in ranked to force demote accounts to iron to sell them afterward, which is still being done very much so today. Seen a lot of them, I have shit luck

[@GaSevilha]

I just played versus an obvious scripting kog maw... low lvl acc god lvl mechanics in grandmasters queue. Dont come to brazil then cause here its been infested with scripts since the last 3~4 years

[@wnsjimbo2863]

​​@@DIDeusIratus i consider scripters as hackers in this context and they are rare (even in master). Not only this but its obvious they are cheating, they play 2 champs (xerath casi ) 90% of them, the other 10% just adc players. And at the end its fine , they still lose most if their games because scripts are not powerful enough of you are not already good player and most of them they are not Ps: the funny thing is i am otp noc which makes their scripts 100% useless, they can't dodge point and click cc 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@AngelOfDeathBG]

Amazing video, Ryscu! Glad to see you back!

[@Daymare_]

About the sion ult exploit, I used before and it was a exploit that took riot 6 years to fix. But the exploit has been fixed in patch 12.14

[@layneco9545]

I was in a game years ago, and someone on my team said, nice IP address to me and posted my IP address. It wasn't exactly my address but it was very close. It freaked me out.

[@skyisthela]

I play on the vietnam server, scripts are kinda common here. I even picked up slang and phrases that specifically mean hacks or scripts. surprisingly aram is free of it while normals and even urf and ofa have scripters

[@ariathgames6068]

Damn if that sponsorship wasnt the biggest "you know Im only doing this for the money and I know that you know" and im bere for it

[@DScapo0]

This is the best quality I’ve seen from you. Keep it up brother.

[@LeagueofArchery]

Probably two years ago or so I got a scion in my game who legitimately could keep ulting constantly as well as change the direction of his old middle. We were in the jungle one time and he literally did a 180 with his old and an area that’s about a fourth wide as a lane.

[@greuju]

That was a reproducible but bannable bug/exploit. Plenty normal players got banned for that one. Easier with scripts of course.

[@IonicSuperNova]

Great video! I love the breakdown of each term and examples used!

[@leagueskinmusic1426]

It's important to note that if Hacking has worsened since the Source code of League of Legends was released , it's in part Riot's Fault, since they chose to openly not pay the ransom, and after months underestimating and gaslighting the situation, the way to clean up that fuck up was by adding Vanguard. So once again by poorly chosen and greedy decisions, Riot screwed their player base once again.

[@47slogra]

Oh so you should always pay ransoms so criminals keep stealing and demanding ransoms. Also there is 0 way to even assure they don't get the ransom then sell the code anyways since it is nt a physical thing they can take back

[@leagueskinmusic1426]

@@47slogra True to the second point, but regardless my point stands, because of Riots Incompetence the source code got out in the first place, so they are still corresponsible for the situation overall... Besides what are you? A Rioter hiding amongst the crowd to defend your fuck ups?

[@Tory-JJ]

League had a ddos issue for 3 years unsolved. Uninstalled. Never touching anything the lazy company does or makes again.

[@fauxtool952]

League wasn't limited by the tech at the time. It was way outdated when it launched

[@MangaGamified]

11:51 a game not being "online-only" or cloud or live-service as western companies calls it, spells a chance for private servers.

[@yowsky0]

Windows has extensible firmware inerface mapping, which allows you to load drivers that disguise your cheat's client hooks as system calls (and much more) before the kernel itself is even loaded. Vanguard can still observe and compare your system's performace to anomalous in-game behavior, but it isn't a silver bullet. Cheating is just a little harder, and you'll likely have to replace hardware when you or someone else using your cheat is caught. The likely result of implementing Vanguard is that selling cheats becomes less lucrative, and the number of BLATANT scripters in high elo games decreases. The people cheating quietly will continue to cheat quietly, as they do in Valorant.

[@tandava-089]

I could be wrong but Im like 98% sure I seen like 3 scripters today

[@brox2098]

Simple solution, make dodging a part of the game. Some of us only have time to play 2 games a day at most. Give me one or two free dodges a day. It could also vary depending on elo or how much you play. Like high elo where matches take forever to find don't get a dodge. But if you play more than 6 games a day you get a bonus dodge. Also T swift is for men too

[@beecee793]

ffs plz no more shittily-animated characters representing youtubers as they speak, I just can't handle it anymore, this has got to be the worst trend that youtubers started doing ever

[@7deathshadow]

Hey Ryscu, great video, but I have a small suggestion. If possible, could you avoid using the glow effect as used at around ~7:00, ~9:00, and 13:10? As someone with astigmatism and generally sensitive eyes, it's very uncomfortable to look at. Thanks!

[@Kikrafis]

League hacks like valorant hacks are just used more subtly than the blatant ones of other games, and thats the only reason people hard cope that riot has less hackers.

[@MazeFrame]

When quality of software and security (such as basic Input Validation) are an afterthought, shitty "security" bolted on in the most invasive manner possible are the "solution".

[@UninstalledLeague]

Ryscu, THANK YOU for speaking about these issues. Its for reasons like these (and more) that I uninstalled league over a year ago. The best way I could protest was by opening many official tickets and then simply not playing or giving Riot any of my money. I dream that one day League's ranked integrity is honorable and held in high esteem. However, i've got much more awesome stuff to do then rot away giving my soul and life energy to these vampires, and you don't hear me complaining about the SUNSHINE and fresh air outside. 🌞🌞🌞🐕🐕😃🌴🌻🌻🌻

[@Asgero]

In wildrift we've been dealing with map hax, and people aren't even hiding it. I've been accused of it because I'm good at swain lol. Pretty much everyone in challenger uses it

[@mzn8008]

It's insane also on social media, youtube, insta, twitter, etc. I looked up about the hacks and now algorithm actually recommends me channels with people casually uploading full gameplay with cheats on where you can buy it. And reports apparently don't work as there is no even a category for like "selling cheats for games" or similar.

[@keldor8302]

They haven't fixed the fact that blocking someone doesn't work. And it hasn't worked for YEARS! I don't have faith that they'll fix these vulnerabilities.

[@imbirb]

WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN MAN? WE MISSED YOU! NEW PATCH NOTES DROPPED

[@ednat666]

fuck vanguard, blocking me from playin league on linux

[@skeley6776]

TLDR Riot doesnt care u can cheat as much as u want and Vanguard will potentially release but who knows originally it was planned to be released with S14 now we are in 14.6 and no server has it.

[@TheSayk]

League really needs a complete revamp. They need to make League 2. Because of how old the game is and how much spaghetti code there is, the game is vulnerable to cleating and many other problems such as what is happening currently on the Korean server. No matter who much duct tape they put in, it will never be enough to fix all the problems. Regarding Vanguard. Vanguard is a back door to your system and i don't trust Riot, because they are incompetent and i don't trust Tencent, because they have given away the personal information of its WeChat users on multiple occasions to the Chinese government (like during protests so the Chinese government could arrest the people that organize them etc), as there, it is required by law to give any information to the Chinese government if asked. So who could guarantee that the Chinese government won't have a backdoor to your system? Btw, I'm one of the people that will stop (/have stopped) playing League because Vanguard will be (/has been) implemented (in case it wasn't obvious).

[@MrMango331]

Based.

[@matheusviniciusdemoraes9420]

That is so well edited, that dropped out of nowhere.

[@YonaSoundcloud]

Could the Korean DDOS situation not be linked to the fact that korean accounts require a korean ID number to be linked?

[@GoishTheGoat]

Everyone was excited for vanguard to come out but it just started bricking PCs of many people and if it is not fixed soon it will probably get deleted.

[@AlryFireBlade]

3:00 Interesting little info here. This is also the reason, why you get to see (animated) pictures of your champs no 3D Models. because the Client don't have access to them.

[@rozukk]

And that's not even getting into the account stealing lol you can't even send player report tickets now cause of it.

[@rightwingsafetysquad9872]

This is all because Rito is a small indie company. They don't have hundreds of years of experience like Bethesda.

[@genesis4317]

Someone hacked my account and deleted all my friends in my list and I lost all the friends I made over the years I feel like I lost a part of me if I'm being honest, I tried to get help but with no results, it ruined the game for me for ever

[@derbestimmer1148]

Smurfing is the way bigger problem and need a to be solved.

[@TehNoobiness]

Frankly, a lot of UI hacks reveal things that really ought to just be part of the standard UI. Tower range? Auto range? Hell, ward timers are a feature now! As a rule, if the "cheat" is a way of not having to memorize something, it should just be something the game tells you.

[@TehNoobiness]

...holy shit lmao, why do they think Vanguard will stop DDOS

[@Shonnairn]

Wow this is insane. First apex and now league. 2024 has been quite eventful for the esports scene. Wonder what's the next esports game to be cancelled off.

[@lohpex7784]

i think tyler was like „okay“