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[@MrMat322]

The info hack is so much more useful than the evade one, you can play as jungler every game and invade the other guy knowing his camp's HP, his smite and flash CD and also QWER CD. Perfect information is way more frustrating than dodging something or cleansing Ashe R on the spot, something like that.

[@Sammysapphira]

That requires you to have a brain though

[@TheJocadasa]

There is no info hack, at least not in the literal sense. The JG camp timers, for example, are integrated into the Chinese client. The enemy JG's timers are only known if you can see them being taken; the same goes for summoner spell/ability cooldowns. Anything that isn't "visible data" is pure guesswork/approximation since that data isn't shared with the client. Funnily enough, every info that the script gives is legal, according to Riot. This is why some apps are starting to incorporate summoner spell cooldowns. Crazy that you can have such an edge playing "legally".

[@brianjuice]

@@TheJocadasa So uh.... what kind of apps we talking about? Asking for a friend

[@onixtheone]

@@TheJocadasa porofessor will track enemy cooldowns but yi still have to manually click on then to activate the timer and you also have to click on it in game id tu want your team to know

[@asathyaa]

@@TheJocadasa the script will tell you when what camp was taken. despite of fog of war

[@josephb5989]

As someone who also plays Apex and CS:GO, can confirm that Riot is by far the best at minimalizing the number of cheaters I regularly run into in-game. It's been months since I played against someone in League who I legitimately felt like was scripting

[@minartson]

Cheating in League without getting caught is a lot harder than in any other game, cheating is also completely pointless, you can just buy a boosted account.

[@sieg8036]

MOBA cheats are less common than shooters obviously but they did decent with VALO cheats compared to other fps games for sure

[@hermanoguimaraes6343]

Its not about riot itself, but how the game is made and the amount of decision that a machine can never make, only humans. Its a commom problem in automation that i work

[@eri1526]

Yeaa, I mean I only reached mid-high diamond on my peak days but I never ran into cheaters, like EVER.

[@DerSuperoldie]

I've played the game for 8 years and only ran into 3 or 4 cheaters. Last one was like 4 years ago

[@GeekProdigyGuy]

as other comments noted - Xerath ult, Jhin ult, Galio ult, etc. all manipulate the camera perspective, so it would be very easy to reverse engineer that after loading up practice mode. also it's basically impossible to prevent such a cheat because client side you have all info available, and even if the game had completely fixed camera perspective you would be able to change it since you can change anything in memory. (client side info has to exist otherwise your visuals would lag by full ping time every time you moved camera)

[@johngham7062]

Really good point

[@lodgin]

The fact that the client knows everything is extremely silly imho.

[@ELYESSS]

@@lodgin It doesn't know everything, It only knows what happens in your vision.

[@lodgin]

@@ELYESSS Meh, close enough

[@GeekProdigyGuy]

@@lodgin it's not silly really. as I said it's an inherent design limitation because (1) you're allowed to move your camera anywhere to see what's going on elsewhere on the map and (2) you don't want there to be extremely noticeable lag every time the camera is moved.

[@redgiant970]

I think the Draven walking under turret is because the script prioritized catching the axe

[@yurilopes420]

well, first the script has to prioritize having the axe land there.. 2 big mistakes either from the script Dev or the player options. either way, shit scripts

[@m3zuss]

@@yurilopes420 nah these scripts are perfect, but the user doesnt rly know how to use them.

[@geraltofnivea1434]

Just like the average draven player

[@Alan-mv5ki]

Of course the script doesn't know to use S while kiting with Draven, it's not a challenger machine like a chess bot

[@DatMilu2K]

I think the issue was minion block.

[@thothrax5621]

Man I want to see him watch this with a developer so bad, it would be so fascinating to hear their thoughts on this. Please make it happen

[@Jothaxify]

Yeah they're not gonna do that lol

[@Jothaxify]

@@bray7299 It's not so much the people who design the scripts. I know some of those people personally. The comment above is I believe referring to a Rito developer joining DL and talking about scripts. They're not gonna do that. That would be just the worst PR move.

[@noobgoestrapping5084]

It would be a VERY boring video. The number of things they would not be able to comment on would be way too high. Brings too much attention and is a bad look as well. But for the most part, any explaining of how or why these scripts are able to be made and what's getting pulled and scraped, would literally just be a roadmap for people looking to develop these hacks. Someone that might have had no intentions of exploring that avenue might be encouraged to do so once they hear hackers are exploiting X and Y systems, if they happen to know how to utilize those styles of exploits. And they may have never been encouraged to try because they assumed it wasn't available and had no incentive. Less info and less press is best case scenario.

[@Tetrathegod]

Actually league devs work with all those guys who exploit league . They let certain stuff so they can keep having a good relationship. For example they let all those skin programs unbannable and league profile program and few others . And even tell when script ban waves will happen. Etc etc and this script is really really expensive Chinese script.

[@noobgoestrapping5084]

@@Tetrathegod they 100% do not work with script writers. Zero chance. League makes way too much money for that. A single solitary dev might be trying to make extra scratch on the side but I'm prettt doubtful of even that. Fact is that there are priorities. They're not going to waste resources and time on things that aren't majorly impacting the game. They're also not going to be allowing people to blatantly use scripts for whatever reason. What are you on?

[@stefananeshka]

would love to see an inhouse 5v5 where everyone has scripts

[@louislopez4780]

its like league pro match in steroids

[@monocleduck1115]

@@louislopez4780 except the macro would be horrible

[@louislopez4780]

@@monocleduck1115 how so?

[@full-timepog6844]

@@louislopez4780 wouldn't they know where everyone else was?

[@velvetvices]

Players with great mechanics but no game sense? My man, it would just be watching a D5 game.

[@matthewcao4993]

6:46 looks like the script prioritized picking up the axe over avoiding turret aggro

[@colin0516]

ooooooooh that makes so much more sense now

[@adrianbyg5553]

Makes sense considering the Draven personality xD

[@ProvideR3301]

Do you know that axes landing is not random? Script or player decided to axe fall under the turret

[@luxaly9510]

@@ProvideR3301 yep he uses an orbwalker means if he presses space bar he goes where mouse is between attacks ha had mouse to the tower so he moved to it^^

[@HappyBeeGaming]

To be honest, I would have preferred a longer video (even with a mid-roll ad) that let us see some of the things Doublelift was reacting to. Felt like I was missing out on a lot

[@passerby4507]

I've played against scripters before, and the funny thing is they "stun" themselves when casting, so you cast at the same time they do and you'll hit them. Since the scripter has to cast manually, and they make horrible decisions, this makes them somewhat beatable.

[@LevelForge]

I think u never played against twitch lulu/ kog lulu scripters then

[@YehNahYehAyy]

They don't have to cast manually at all.

[@full-timepog6844]

I think that it may be a problem with the scripter, most of the times, they aren't the best players.

[@nothingreallyrhymeswithora9377]

@@full-timepog6844 Well, yeah. If they're that desperate to script, chances are they are shit.

[@Benjilovescats]

@@nothingreallyrhymeswithora9377 No a lot of players cheat because they are good but being the best is out of reach so they cheat in hope of getting a higher rank

[@ArcticWolfOfficial]

2:47 Thats one of the things that i feel makes league such a good game fundamentally. It genuinely takes actual skill and game knowledge to play the game. No amount of cheating will make you insta win, unlike cheats in other games. You can’t just skip to diamond with cheats, which i think truly is a testament to how well the game is built.

[@Th1sUsernameIsNotTaken]

There was a dude who was hardstuck silver, who used a script to make it to like masters or some shit. Depending on the script AND champion, you can 100% climb where you shouldn't have

[@ricksprenkels3057]

rocket league is also a good example. never any cheaters

[@Zed_eS]

@@Th1sUsernameIsNotTaken I haven't heard that story before, but even if it's true, it's completely anecdotal evidence. I don't disagree that you can't climb higher with cheats, but Silver to Master is definitely an outlier.

[@Th1sUsernameIsNotTaken]

@@Zed_eS, And saying it's an outlier with no evidence isn't much better. It also depends on the script. Some basically full play the game for you. Some are harder to detect than others. Some get instant banned. You can probably find videos or threads of the extremely good ones that ended up getting taken down after Riot went after them, just to get an example of how crazy some were.

[@themasterseye]

I would consider buying an account a cheat, and that is absolutely RAMPANT in league. I would also consider bug exploiting a cheat, which happens rather frequently as well. Maybe there isnt a lot of this specific type of cheating going on, but there is plenty of against the rules elo boosting actions that occur pretty frequently. Plus when Riot releases LP cheats in the form of new champs every couple of months, you dont need scripts.

[@Nightmare-fe9hr]

League is a multiplayer game with a fixed map. This means that at all times, the entire map is, to some degree, loaded (this also helps with things like jungle monsters, global abilities, client-server sync, etc.). Because of this, it's fairly easy for external programs to zoom out your game. All the information is already loaded and visually rendered, you just need your screen to show more of it.

[@isaacturner197]

I'm now kind of curious as to what a match between 10 pro players, all using this kind of script, would look like. Would be interesting to see how they all react to knowing their lane opponents ability, ulti, and summoner cooldowns.

[@yGKeKe]

The thing about pro play is that they all have a fairly close idea of those things anyway. They may not know with 100% accuracy, but they have a good enough estimate.

[@soydansogukcesme470]

they have all a sense an inner clock that tells them spell so and so is up.. and all other stuff you can learn it too ..

[@mamacrow2759]

the obvious problem i find are: the client is receiving recall positions, and jungle camps being taken down. Riot needs to update the game to not let clients have this information. It should only be shared in vision. The other problem is the map zoom out. Since this isn't fixable, (also widescreen is already unfair) players should just be allowed to zoom out more, I'd suggest even letting players have a button to "hold" to toggle to zoom out twice as much.

[@capisenior]

Well, it might look like unnecessary data, but then we get into the realm of online games and latency. The recall, for example: there is a channeling time, and a specific visual cue to show its progress. Now let's say your ping is 100ms and your client only receives that information once you got vision on the enemy. Then: 100ms client>server to request vision, 100ms + processing time server>client to deliver vision, and the server would also need to tell the client how much of the channeling has already happened so the client can offset the animation to start from the correct frame. That could result in around 1/4 second delay to show the recall animation, so during that time you wouldn't even know the enemy is recalling, possibly losing the chance to stun him and cancel it. The same applies to jungle creeps, but more in regards to esthetics than gameplay, you would have a 200ms window in which either the creeps wouldn't be there and then suddenly appear, or they would initially be there and after 200ms disappear or become corpses. Also, as a last factor, League is designed to run even in low end PCs, and having the clients constantly calculating animation offsets and requesting updated 'vision' to the server every 5 or 10 ms would be unfeasible both client and server side. Pre-rendering and preemptively giving clients data they don't yet need facilitates cheating, but is pretty much unavoidable in an online, fast-paced game in which every millisecond counts... Sorry for the big text, btw, as a Software Engineer I couldn't keep myself from thinking about it to understand why they would deliver unnecessary information like that.

[@winstonsux]

@@capisenior ​ The client doesn’t “request vision” from the server; the server runs the simulation and the client is just interpolating between snapshots of the simulation. The server knows what vision somebody has when it sends out these snapshots because the simulation is run on their end.

[@capisenior]

@@winstonsux yep, that's how it works. My reply was about how it *would be* if the client only received the information it needed at the moment, and how unfeasible that is.

[@winstonsux]

@@capisenior Except you don’t need to do that to make that happen. The server can choose what to send in each snapshot based on that snapshot’s vision.

[@winstonsux]

@@capiseniorI think you might be misunderstanding that the client is not changing what your Fog of War looks like itself. The server controls the game sim. You can download a tool like clumsy to simulate having 1000 ping in the practice tool if you don’t know what I mean. If you press Q on 1000 ping, it will take at least 1000ms for your Q to be cast on your screen.

[@mastercheif878]

I find the whole "cheating" at video game to be super interesting from a purely tech and AI standpoint. There's this literal physical aimbot someone developed for R6 that lets you aim perfectly by having AI analyze footage captured from a camera where it would then process it into a physical mechanism that controls the mouth. This script definitely needs some work and maybe with some addition, you can literally make an AI that'll play league perfectly.

[@Fraustyy]

Actually if I’m not mistaken Elon Musk already did that with DOTA. He made an AI that defeated some pro players.

[@jyashin]

Playing league perfectly is trivial for machines. League is a mechanics based game. Plat level players running scripts can beat challengers with fair consistent results. The mechanics are able to overcome horrible decision making. Machines beating humans at precision is trivial. It is developing strategies that actually are worth the news.

[@HappyBeeGaming]

@@Fraustyy In a very very simplified version of the game with certain items disabled (like those that give stealth) and I want to say only around 15 characters available. Essentially the AI only learned to play ball-comps and win with micro. Not to say it isn't impressive, but when you add in exponentially more diversity (150 champions) and more hidden information it's very dubious that the AI would have been able to reach pro levels.

[@jackalFN]

@@jyashin a team of 5 challenger scripters would lose to T1 10/10 times

[@zealous404]

@@Fraustyy It defeated OG who was reigning TI winner at the time but it's undoable in league considering they fed the neural network with thousands of games to learn the game's macro decisions and strategies League just doesn't have the capacity for them to mass test huge sample games I believe - unless Riot personally helped them on it

[@andrewkandasamy]

For those interested about the screen zoomed out thing, you don't even need to download additional software to do so. There's an exploit where you can trick the program on your computer client side so it appears that way for you.

[@Mine4dayzz]

It was recently talked about in Leaguecast, but it's crazy how much information you can get from a script or overlay that is also just game knowledge. Where is the line before it is cheating? Technically if you look at their runes and stats, you could memorise or otherwise calculate every cd in the game. If you make that information easy to access, it removes more of the game knowledge requirement and turns it into game sense requirement. How much can you actually use the information you have? We can clearly see here all the info being processed for this player and still their lack of game sense gets them killed several times and they make several bad plays.

[@paftaq526]

there's also the fact that league would be very hard to script on since the game is less about skill in micro but more on macro (even tho both are important) in other games like cs:go, CoD or r6s you only really need an aimbot to completely ruin a game while in league yes you can dodge abilities and yes you can do a bunch of crazy shit but you're also just 1 guy in a heavily team based game and you cant dodge auto attacks and other point and click abilities. but its still impressive how good riots anti-cheat is even in valorant

[@richardcoelho]

0:43 the fact that he tried to trim the wave but the script did't allowed him... so funny lol

[@zan6585]

Seeing where the enemy clicks is op because you can see exact movement and track their mouse before visible output, it’s partially the way the skillshots can hit so accurately

[@HadesCannotBeBothered]

Anyone with a moderate amount of game sense and actual talent would be damn near impossible with these things.6 years and these fuckers can still do it but as dl said to find a scripter is a rare thing so to riots credit they are on it

[@james3003]

Especially when you compare every other game. Most FPS games have such an overwhelming amount of scripters it's astonishing to me that riot is able to prevent it as well as they do.

[@ChubbyChoncc]

@@usr21882 I have always wanted to ask this to a cheater, so I hope you won't get offended: Why do you guys want to cheat in the first place? How do you guys have fun with game with scripts? They almost do everything and what you do is mostly click 50 times a game randomly. Is it because you guys want to rank up fast and feed your ego? To me the game's meaning is sucked dry if you use scripts, there are no challenges in it and you absolutely gain nothing from doing so, even lose money to rent the script, I can't even imagine why would a player want to use cheat THAT long and not out of curiousity.

[@PhoenixLP99]

@@ChubbyChoncc i guess for fun? why do people smoke? for fun. everything we do is for fun some people might think something is fun that istn fun for others you know.

[@ChubbyChoncc]

@@PhoenixLP99 Make sense enough for me I guess. Maybe they kinda look over the punishing part and focus on what satisfy them the first place to have fun.

[@Grechaj]

@@usr21882 Losing a game where i was playing well is so much more fun than winning a game where i did nothing. It's boring/tilting getting carried by another player. The most fun is to carry the game totally by myself. My most fun games is where we were losing every lane, every objective but i carry the game all by myself. For me playing with cheats gets boring very fast. Last time it was for SAMP-RP and i deleted the cheats after 3 weeks just because i lost all the fun from the game from this cheats.

[@cawabangaLoL]

Here in Brazil we had like a wave of ppl getting banned cause a lot of scripters were getting into GM/Challenger elo and nothing was happening... You said Riot does a good job... it can be true on NA, but here it took a long ass time for that to happen. It even happened cause we have a challenger rioter and he started getting scripters in his queue, so he banned them himself... otherwise I dont know if they would get banned that quickly LOL. Nice video though :D

[@shaderunner7.0]

They do bans in waves so it's harder to come up with countermeasures for detection, since it's harder to figure out what triggered the flag. If you just ban immediately, all you have to do is see what you had changed to get banned and then work on hiding it so it won't get detected again

[@AcesPrune]

To answer the camera question, my assumption is that the birds-eye-view cam used in LCS is in the main games program somewhere

[@nitram.9621]

4:00 I had this happen when i was younger, i used a xray resource pack on minecraft to find diamonds. The example is silly but It's information overload really. He has so much info that he is disconnected from the game itself, like seeing yourself play in third person. So he loses sense of time and movespeed etc, prompting him to do a move because he "knows" where the jungler is, but he stops thinking further because his senses are overloaded, and fails to realise that the jungler can actually cut him off and kill him. I don't know if people understand that feeling of seeing yourself playing in third person, feeling disconnected from your actions, you actually put yourself in a haze to block off the excess info but you can't chose which one goes through, so gamesense stops at a base level, like say "oh the jungler is botside doing his camps, i know he is there" is stopped from branching into "he can actually walk from his wolves to the blue and prevent me from going away if i try to go behind the bot tower.

[@rwndae]

It's like league of legends with world of warcraft addons

[@freshdumbhd239]

7:26 If someone wants to know what the scripter wrote with "slowdctim" in the dm. ( its just casual talking) they wrote: slowdctim: at the moment he/it is cold (maybe food, maybe a person, could be anything. I dont know the context). scripter: ok good. he: yes, i hope it stays like that. I am playing in a moment. going to go get groceries now scripter: ok he: see you later, tell me when u are finished (finished with the stream/games i suppose)

[@NotOffensiveJustCorrect]

why would anyone wanna know wtf

[@freshdumbhd239]

@@NotOffensiveJustCorrect for example if it has sth to do with the cheat... if u dont wanna know then just keep on scrolling.

[@Squidmoto3]

For those wondering, these programs are checked for when you're loading into the game - so it doesn't matter if you just want to use it in the training room, you'll still get banned for it if it's detected.

[@zan6585]

Honestly whoever programmed all of this is a genius, it’s the most impressive multi I’ve seen from any game

[@Blaze482Gaming]

To shortly explain the spectator cam thing. So long as these scripts are running something that is allowed within the parameters of the game, the game doesn't necessarily detect it instantly. That's how a lot of scripts/cheats in Rainbow Six work as well. They basically allow a player to have a game mechanic that wouldn't otherwise be possible be running. Like, cheaters used to use aimbot in combination with where the spectator would spawn during a custom match to become superman, get basically against the skybox, and use their aimbot to kill all players on your team off rip

[@Shadowl]

Scripting in league is huge. You don't notice it as much as in other games because you need game sense as well. You just can't install a script and instantly get to challenger without any game knowledge. In a fps game for example is different because even if you don't know anything about the game, the map, types of weapons, etc., you just need to right click on people and shoot.

[@ravercorum20]

The information scraping is fairly easy - the script calculates XP range by going off of public information, and within that range if a minion dies then the XP is tracked for those within range. It's pretty simple really, as a human you could do this too if you had eyes on mid all game and did the calculations yourself. The script just does this for you so you can focus on your own lane like a human would.

[@_papasparta_-txc-4730]

honestly a full scripting custom game could be fun to watch

[@edwinpaz5397]

Is like 10 Fakers but with Iron decisitions actually true.

[@Avatarbee]

It is weird to see how much effort went into that script. I mean, giving you the abillity to change everyone their skins (only to the user of course) mid game is this crazy feature you only put in if you have some passion about what you are doing.

[@lljgeometrydash2]

Someone else from germany heard "Neymar" by Capital Bra xD. Nostalgic song but weird to hear it in an US league stream

[@dee6215]

The thing with scripters is that they don't care that their macro and game understanding is bad. Just the "mechanics" they get from scripts can get them to like Dimond which is enough so they can sell the account

[@apa5749]

League has way less cheaters compared to other games especially CSGO or PUBG because you don't actually need an anti-cheat system to prevent cheating. in FPS games like CSGO or CoD they don't just have one simple type of hack, it can be wallhack, aimbot, recoil, and enemy locations on the minimap. each of these cheats have its own usefulness. meanwhile in league, the only cheat that is "worth" using is scripting to dodge enemy skillshots and predict enemy movements. you don't need things like enemy jungler location on the map, just watch your map and use common sense. when someone is scripting in your game, it will be too obvious to the 9 other players and they can report. if you turn off auto-dodge then what's the point of using cheat software in league in the first place? that's why cheating in League vs cheating in FPS games are different.

[@daikikaminari6360]

There is a lot of info you can have on a client that can possibly be broken : where ennemies have vision (if the placed wards are seen by the team the cheat can make you see circles of vision), the camps timings, the ults and summoners cd, the estimated amount of gold on someone, the range of ennemies, le cd des runes...

[@checkyourfax]

zoom is completely client side so the game stays smooth without having to re-render everything on screen over and over again. It also allows spells to be visible even if cast off-screen. To make everything off-screen invisible server-side would cause immense lag and would be incredibly hard to pull off.

[@breather1986]

These informations are not availabe to a normal user, they are usually stored in your RAM, in files that are not readable by a normal user. Of course its not that hard to get these informations because there are a lot of scanners that can read those files. Second way some of the functions could be done, is by just scanning the pixels on your monitor, but this is normally slow and not used in competitive games. So normally creating hacks is not about just programing the hacks, but mainly trying to hide the hacks) but someone here was i guess really bored, and created this overloaded sh*t

[@Rin8Kin]

"how is it possible to have camera zoomed out" Xerath and Jhin ULTs =_=

[@Rastendhos]

You can still see how much dmg enemy ability is doing, so the script can count it and probably predict what skills person have taken

[@simsom4343]

I imagine the zoomed out thing might come around by the way some ultimates work, like Jhin and Xerath ult as an example

[@judgedbytime]

No, they just use the api calls for the 3d library (DirectX/OpenGL).

[@Salvo78106]

"Lol ha no cheaters" Meanwhile, all the plat/diamond smurfing soloque in bronze for money: hold my elo

[@jinx.love.you.]

It is pretty easy from an access perspective. The information is not hidden because it can be calculated. So, for example, if you track - HP minions, you add the condition if the hp is > than the auto-attack -print object in red. So you are notified when the auto will automatically kill the minions. It is a huge advantage, but you can also add other conditions like if an attack from other minions, for example, is cast, you can display the HP after the attack land before it lands. Certain things cannot be changed. Otherwise, you change the core of the code, and it will be detected, or it is unscriptable like the Range of the autos, items, and stuff. If you check the bot game, you have turret range, for example, or if you press the "attack button" you see your range these are in-game features, and you can always see it. regarding the auto-dodge is the same process you have the info you can let it calculate and input an auto order to move sideways when some vicinity procs.

[@MistahUnknown]

DL being intrigued by this is like Joe Rogan looking at videos of UFO's recorded by the US Navy.

[@nestycb6702]

The maxed out camera must be emulating a huge screen. The higher the resolution, the wider the view on LoL

[@skipp3252]

There is actually so many ways to use scripts that are completely unnoticable. Like just using a cs cheat. Or just one that tracks flash. You could do so much with just a tiny bit of extra info that would never be noticed by anyone

[@Leavnok]

honestly seeing cds and stuff right above the champions in the team fights just made seeing anything kinda hard...

[@albusseveruspotter9531]

The Mouse click is actually for the script to detect the distance of mouse from sidestepping depending on the distance of the mouse location while walking and sidestepping distance

[@garrettord3304]

If I were to ever use something like that, I'd want the zoom option, the auto-attack and tower range indicators, and the ability/summoner CD icons. Everything else is just in the way. wouldn't want the script to control aiming or movement. Although I've seen scripts that can time Ezreal/Jinx/Ashe ults to execute low-hp targets the instant they recall, which is pretty hilarious.

[@Luper1billion]

The funny thing is even csgo pros who play legit used to mess with cheats just to learn the game. Some coach even said he used to usewall hacks in custom games to learn wall bangs and stuff

[@StephenASmith-jp6rz]

Riot is probably going to create a champion so overloaded that it actually has built in scripts like this

[@W.M.1]

I have faced 2 scripters years ago, a xerath and draven one. Both in ARAM back when I was spamming that shit. The draven was nearly impossible to hit with any skillshots from our team due to pixel-perfect movement. The xerath was perfectly tracking me with his skillshots on my katarina while i was shunpoing to team mates in the brush, which should be impossible in ARAM as there are no wards. In both cases my team did not believe me when i told the xerath/draven was hacking, saying league had no hacks lol

[@adrianbozdog9702]

to be fair the script is just a bot that isn't intentionally limited. Every bot that the devs made for custom games or Co-op is just a script with limitations on reaction speed so they aren't insanely good, I kinda wish LoL devs would make as good a bot as possible (mechanically) and then get some help to make them understand grouping/splitpush etc then run that on random ladders

[@themasterseye]

@@adrianbozdog9702 They did do that when the learning dota ai was popular, it didnt gain traction though. Also dont forget DOOM BOTS (yes I am memeing)

[@adrianbozdog9702]

@@themasterseye even doom bots were limited, I mean yeah they had other advantages but a proper bot would dodge almost 100% of skillshots and land close 100% of their own, for example Xerath is almost undodgeable if he lands his skillshots pixel perfect on your position when he casts just players can't get that kind of skill bots can. A bot will also be able to calculate lethal ranges perfectly almost like having a Pyke execute bar for your combos since you know enemy HP and armor/MR rating you know the exact damage you will do, they just purposefully don't let the bots take full advantage of all that information because a player wouldn't or couldn't, it would also require some insane connection and processing power to be able to play that bot but if you could make and use the bot it would be unbeatable in 1v1 the only thing you can't code are team decisions those are a lot harder to make.

[@ragegaze3482]

@@adrianbozdog9702 not if your champ uses point and click abilties, that's why zilean is one of the biggest counters to any scripts. He can run at you faster than you can get away from, and slow you to the point you can't dodge anything even if you tried.

[@Diatain]

I would love to see a pro level player play with these scripts. They'd do so much more for a better player and I would love to see how that played out.

[@Mr.Patchy]

A 5v5 of scripting pros would be super interesting.

[@okay6343]

@vergil vaughn Wait. Is it available to watch on KZbin or sites?

[@BojanKordic]

It is ridiculous to think that scripters can actually easily be beaten because they dont have any game sense. Bro if you play a bad matchup and he lands every single skill you can literally ALT F4 straight away. You are not winning that. Like imagine playing cassio into a scripting xerath, imaaagine. 🤦‍♂️

[@stevenarvizu3602]

I think the reason league has so few hacks is because of how little mechanics actually plays a role in the game. The main reason I still play league is because it’s one of the few fighting games that is hardly based on mechanics. Every fps game relies on being accurate with a gun to be good, which can easily be scripted. But there is no hack to tell you that stacking dragons is more beneficial to your team than ganking top, there is no hack to stop your team from feeding, there is no hack that can tell you to freeze the wave to punish your lane opponents, or hacks that tell you to push when they roam or to match their roam, all of it is based on game knowledge and it’s one of the few things that I think makes league so addictive. If you become a boomer and lose your mechanical skills, you’re by no means a bad player, if anything you evolve into a more well rounded player

[@jv4598]

Hacks in LoL also can't instant kill you with 0 counterplay, like in CSGO or Apex. Xerath Q, W, E still has a cast time/animation, ADCs/Point and Click Skills still exist. Yet in CSGO, you can get a cheater that insta kills you with 5 bullets in sub-zero second reaction time.

[@judgedbytime]

It doesn't have so few hacks.

[@owndbySora]

THE RARITY of SCRIPTERS in League is no more in this Season. in Smurf Q every secound game AT LEAST there are 1-3 scripters. Any high elo player can tell that, myself detect scripters by movement in literlly 3secounds. ALSO i know for a fact that before recent Banwave, 2/5 or AT LEAST 1/5 of Master - Challenger on EUW were scripting. A couple did it OBVIOUSLY the most just used the info they got from it. Because scripts are kinda far developed, as far as i know is that they ONLY get BANNED manually. So if a rioter looks into the account and CANT detect ANYTHING The account remains EVEN if everyone knows that guy is scripting by his Gameplay.

[@randokaratajev2617]

The info is not unavailable. It comes in raw format and gets modified by your client according to your team an location. (fog of war and all that ). Scripts just feed you the raw info and draws it on the screen. 1 thing I noticed a few seasons back when I got constant disconnects were moments where I had +900 ping spikes and could see enemies shuffle out of fog of far. As if my client already had info on them coming out of there eventho my internet was obviously unstable and the attempting to reconnect had appeared

[@mifigor1935]

It's probably why there aren't so many cheaters in league 1)skillshots are only one acpect of the skill 2)you can't cheat gamesense 3)cheats tend to overdodge

[@alexsyn2531]

1:10 nunu w, xerath r, jhin r all zoom out ingame. So they just put that state permanently. It’s not a spectator thing (well also, but prolly not here) but basic abilities already in the game that do this

[@Unearthlysoap]

added on, it's harder to cheat in league because you have to build items. You don't do enough damage at the beginning so you have to rely heavily on game sense if you want to get fed. Most trades in lane is being hyper aware of your enemy, your positioning, and how much you can do without them killing you. So it's only reliable if you have good game sense as well, and not as simple as cheaters in other games.

[@0ater]

I saw the part about being able to change skins and almost went to try and find this thing for download. I've been wanting Riot to add a clientside feature where you can make everybody default skin for years now, simply because on alot of the newer skins its so hard to tell whats going on. So many inconsistencies with hitboxes, shit that doesn't look like the ability its supposed to be, stuff with wacky colors and particle effects that in a teamfight turns into a seizure on your monitor. CLEARLY it can be done LOL. Riot games stays the worst company in gaming.

[@ridunkulous]

I think it'd be funny to see another Pro vs. series but this time it's doublelift scripting in a 1v5

[@HappyBeeGaming]

He would get smashed and it wouldn't even be close. Just pick champs with point and click CC like Nautilus ult and Wukong E-Ult (he can only flash one, and then it's a CC chain).

[@Ultimatelocke]

Why scripts suck in League is simple. 1. Script isn't going to place position you correctly in team fights. 2. It's not going to tell you to group or go bot for dragons. 3. League 24/7 is being updated every 2 weeks, a minor update could completely crash the script or make it detectable. What's worse than Scripts? Plat 4 players who afk / Grief over 1 death.

[@DBHobbs]

It's like giving a normal person a nascar, they'd just slam it into a wall.

[@_lime.]

The reason there are fewer cheaters in league is because it doesn't really help. If you're playing games like PUBG or CS:GO then aimbots can basically win you the game, add in wallhacks and constant vision/outlines of the enemy players and it's just freelo. In league you can aimbot with characters like Xerath and gain a ton of extra knowledge with the timers and stuff but you as the player still have to make the correct decisions based on that knowledge. The other thing that is completely being missed here is the amount of wintrading, which just skips the need for cheating or even the need to play well.

[@eksdee196]

damn to hear doublelift say'' there are no cheaters in league'' its so hilarious,. cuz hes playing on challenger level, if he wasnt he would prolly change his opinion RQ. 2 days in scripters Q and you will lose it.

[@Delimon007]

I am not surprised. I noticed some people doing some weird shit in ARAM and basically playing perfectly with perfect predictions on everything to include on invisible enemies. Happened in more than one game so now I know why.

[@Molonari]

lol this didn't age well if we're going by Riot's numbers

[@ThetaXeno]

one year later and the "no cheaters in league" line doesnt hold up. riot is cashing out ggs

[@josephnolan6323]

we need a league match where its league's version of open ai team vs teams like edg and etc and see just how much it shit stomps them like it did the dota 2 champs

[@brandonhackney795]

Here he is saying the camera is way too zoomed out. Here I am on the daily complaining about how I can't zoom my camera out enough.

[@therobberpanda]

Honestly the zoomed out camera should already be in game so you get no disadvantage when playing top side.

[@LuxuryBall13]

The weird movements its because of the "Evade", scripts does that but sometimes its better to take a soraka q before walking into turret, so the scritp kinda made it so he was getting funneled into a melee range fight

[@X33Ultras0und]

Yes. Scripts try to evade everything. While a human like us know that a Soraka Q is okay to get hit by if you're full HP when a fight has just started.

[@dramorian4486]

@@X33Ultras0und they will evade everything only if all abilities are enabled or "Dodge Dangerous only" is disabled. Not that simple.

[@judetoutounchian7917]

The point and click line is to tell you if some1 is coming to your lane from fog of war, I learnt against scripters if i want to gank them you have to click wayyyyyyy behind them and they will get confused

[@judgedbytime]

You are completely right. Definitely be wary of your waypoints if playing versus a scripter.

[@fredxu99]

This is like the age-old argument about WoW addons. There's stuff that, in theory, should just be visible to the player, like exact cooldowns on teammate's ults/summs or jungle buff respawn timers for camps your team has killed, since these timers are spam pinged repeatedly anyway. The flipside is that there is some "skill" to communicating and memorizing that would be removed, although let's be honest most people /mute all and don't communicate due to the toxicity.

[@enzzz]

Yeah, it's a very complex subject...

[@ryancrail2145]

his game view is probably like that cause thats how it looks when xeraph ults probably

[@enzzz]

I mean you technically do have all the info constantly available, because you can move minimap and immediately see other places. If it was server-side it would probably be more laggy to move minimap, but also even then you could kind of make a script to very quickly move minimap to capture information server-side. Not sure how that would look like. But anyway point being, that you have all the info to zoom out constantly available.

[@YamzieMoyo]

True. Riot deserve credit for the lack of hackers in-game.

[@Timeforspas12]

We can thank blitz and other third parties being allowed. These scripts apparently work on the same loophole that these programs work, it isn't a cheat infused in the game, it's almost an overlay.

[@PsychoFreedom]

1:17 in most of game u can zoom out with just graphic engine, devs just lock in in `1optimal` fov

[@lanthiandokenhennes1805]

This only confirms my belief that the creators of this game also create cheats for it and sell them. So much work has been put into these programs, they are so easy to find, and yet no one even tries to do anything about it or punish those who use such things. Even the appearance can be changed during the game AND NO ONE CAN SEE ANYTHING! You report a player that the robot plays for, your application is considered by a robot, and the low ranks are filled with robots playing for humans. Nothing suspicious is happening there.

[@yGKeKe]

The zoomed out camera is the spectator camera. It's in the game because of pro-play. Some people are referencing the zoom out for certain abilities, but...even without those abilities, this function would still be in the game. It's just not normally accessible to players. At the end of the day, Camera zoom is just another variable that can be manipulated when you directly modify memory, it's not hard-coded. Also, you're wrong DL. There are a lot more scripters in league than you think there are...they just aren't in the higher ELOs. The sheer number of people who play in Bronze and Silver ELO and can land every single abillity at maximum distance because they use these drawing scripts is insane. Also, to answer the question...Yes, all of this information is available to the game client. If it wasn't, none of your abilities would ever hit anything. All this script really is, is a GUI for client information, and in some cases, useful interpretations of that information. If it makes it any clearer, you can think of these scripts like the GUI riot implemented for execute abilities. The graphic that lets you know that your cho`gath ult will kill someone, that your pike ult will kill someone, etc. Those graphics work identically do how these scripts work.

[@doublevision84]

Him saying scripters are rare is actually super false there is way more scripters in this game than people admit to, i know people who use them , they troll low elo on 5$ unranked boosted accounts all the time.

[@chaelee7025]

very true, very hard for people that don't script to tell the difference. Some people have orb walker off and just use the basic like the info hack

[@nowayhedidthat]

The script is basically code added to the current game code, in the code they can have assumptions, for example, the tracking in 3:37, we know that LB W range is 600 (from the league fandom page), the code assumes where the landing of that w will be (600px towards the cursor, for example) the moment LB presses w. Really it's simple, just some code :D

[@Kit-uj3mw]

I think he walked under turret to get draven's spinning axe. And then the long flash was probably because of the change in delay. I think it could be much stronger with he right settings.

[@3THREEIII]

I think they should just make a game mode like this, imagine the gameplay

[@SquerraOSRS]

A friend of mine uses this script on hacked accounts. This script needs a monthly subscription and they even have champion specific scripts. Sad part is, the only way to get detected, is if someone submits a ticket on riot support page. Reports in the client DO NOT work.

[@ShortRound29]

@2:15 “there’s basically no cheating” that aged well lol

[@swoodc]

6:12 its called reading the Memory, in RAM thats what any game bot usually does. thats what cheat engine is, a ram manipulator

[@codelinx]

The bots in low elo that are either boosting or trolling to int ranked games is so high.

[@informadiga691]

Camera zoom is just a variable that can be changed by a pointer...

[@karlikovatovarna1]

This really makes me wonder if it was worth it for the person who made this because seeing how advanced this shit is it must've taken shit ton of time.

[@donaj3673]

Of course, isnt free. You must pay for that "service"

[@judgedbytime]

It is not one person. It is not even one team. All of this knowledge and technology has been developed over ten years by over half a dozen scripting platforms. What you see here is less original effort than you expect. Scripting platforms can and have made millions and have done so for almost a decade.

[@karlikovatovarna1]

@@judgedbytime ok thanks

[@taviddurley7502]

You haven't seen this before? I'm sure if he holds spacebar he has auto csing. Classic hacks and they look better but haven't changed much. Insane that people still do this.

[@ParabolaTool]

I'm 99% sure I was playing against a scripting Xerath earlier today. He was extremely bad but the way he was snapping on the most insane Q's over and over. He was also hitting people in bushes with no wards, etc. But his macro was horrible and had absolutely no sense for the game so he got shit on.

[@nakedpotato9894]

A rough estimate version of this would be Fakers FOV

[@fitnesswithchris7185]

A FRIEND OF A RANDOM SCRIPTER HERE: My friend uses the same script so I thought I would make a comment. This script can be set up in many different ways, I won't give away the name of it for obvious reasons but you there is so many settings it takes like the first 1min 30 seconds to optimally set it up. I don't think this guy did it correctly in the draven clip. It went under tower just to pick up that axe. I know a few people who use it (one of them is currently master tier) and none of them were banned even a single time no matter how obvious they were. Maybe the guy in the clip got manually banned because so many people saw it but its almost impossible to get banned for this script in a regular way as far as im aware. Master players don't even notice the scripts most of the time and just think player is good mechanically. It is crazy, you can zoom out like 5 times more than this guy already did in this clip, you can see top lane from botlane. You can make dodging obvious or not that obvious, you can see enemy vision, you know when enemies are backing base, you have auto spells. Auto farming, auto wave freeze. Sion ultimate and Q exploit letting sion change Q direction after starting the cast and letting sion control his ultimate as if he is just walking around. It can show you enemy auto range, show you when enemies and minions will get killed with next auto, it can even auto cast spells for you like for example jinx rocket you will be playing bot lane and not looking anywhere and suddenly your script will fire a rocket across the map and you have a kill lol. You can even choose an option to RUN IT DOWN for you. The script will just run it down mid while typing bannable slurs in chat. Also you have korean pings where if enemy team uses summmoner spells your script will type in chat the timer and another option you can also spam ping your team automatically when enemy team appears on vision anywhere. There is so many more options I don't want to bore you guys with a long comment but there is pretty much any league script to ever exist in one script client that doesn't even cost that much with a monthly subscription to use it. But like doublelift said you can't cheat game sense, my friends still lose games even on scripts just because their game sense is not good enough and they get stunned for the entire game. I am really tempted to just give away the name of the script but I don't want more people to start using it so I will just keep that to myself. You can find it yourself if you look hard enough.

[@fitmotheyap]

Tbh CD timers and zoom should be in thr game by default, does riot just expect everyone to remember all ability CDs and ability haste?

[@fitnesswithchris7185]

​@@fitmotheyap no that would be horrible it helps the most. Zoom sure thats pretty cool and would be useful for everyone. But ability cooldown you can see exactly when someone gets their spell back so you can predict when they throw it and I think not knowing what your enemy has available is a big part of any competitive game. That would be the same as getting info in cs their guy on mid mirage has an AWP dont peak mid. it would be super broken and unfun even if everyone could see it.

[@fitmotheyap]

@@fitnesswithchris7185 sorry, meant for teammates Right now we can maybe see R cd if it doesn't *break* due to some random thing like morde R QWE and passive are never seen, there has been many times my teammates went in thinking I have an ability or in some cases I have no mana

[@DanielClear2]

*TL;DR:* It's not that Riot is good at anti-cheat (they are not). MOBAs just don't need anti-cheat like other genres do. Cheating in League is hard because it's nearly completely server-sided. That's why your movement is always delayed, it waits for the server to acknowledge. You can't expect an FPS shooter to wait for server acknowledgement to move, that would be nauseating and impossible to play. Try playing with 25 MS delay on your mouse or keyboard inputs. Shooters also do ping compensation. Who shot who first? You technically can't know that because people have different pings. Technically they might have shot each other both first, but according to the server, the one with the better connection wins. League doesn't have this disadvantage, because it doesn't have to deal with ping. There is no interpolation between client and the server.

[@CommentaryNice]

The zoom out seems like the most useful part to me

[@joexplainz2708]

Tell me your lock screen player without telling me your lock screen player 🔒 🔒 🔒 💀

[@HonorViego]

I think scripts are a lot more prevalent than people realize, I play in GM NA, these people will do anything to get the slightest advantage, if you buy scripts you don't have to go ham with it and make it obvious to get banned, many will just turn them on in dire situations when, dodging that extra 2-3 skillshots could win you the game and will never get caught.

[@itlogo0o]

so easy to spot tho, you can see them jitter while dodging specially in team fights when there's like 10skill shots flying around

[@GeekProdigyGuy]

that's def true but at that point it (1) makes a tiny difference that won't compensate for losing lane hard or w/e and (2) is completely unrealistic to catch them and prove they were cheating. seeing as all you get from soloq is bragging rights, the stakes are low. for champion's queue and pro play obviously there needs to be strict, full-game monitoring.

[@judgedbytime]

You are right. Scripts ARE a lot more prevalent than people realize. That is why I made this account originally.

[@LeonardoTx1000]

About the camera thing... They probably found an exploit to activate the Xerath Ult camera at all times. The code for the camera is most likely always there in the game (even when there's no Xerath in the game itself) so they found a way to activate it most likely editing the games RAM, setting it to True or some shit like that. Or they just found a way to unlock the camera max zoom, again, most likely editing the games RAM. Most of Client values can be changed like that cus its inefficient/would introduce lag for players if they where synced with the Server. I remember something called LeagueSharp a few years ago that made an C# API for League Scripts and it was very very easy to use as a programmer, I tried it to understand a little bit more about how it works (btw, I think this one specifically doesn't exist anymore cus Riot won against them in court, I believe around 11 million dollars at the time). This tool was basically a way to inject any C# script made with their API into the game client. I don't play the game and I tried coding a script with it and tested it vs bots. Don't come @ me. I don't even like or play the game... was more interested in the tech behind it. If anyone in here have ever watched "RATIRL", when he talks about "Spacegliding" he is referring to a very famous script for adcs where you just need to hold SPACE bar and it plays for you... It will farm creeps automatically, it will dodge skills (it can dodge even skills like Lucian Q which is almost impossible to dodge manually) and it will kite towards your cursor with perfect timing between autos.

[@LeonardoTx1000]

DL is impressed that "someone put a lot of effort into developing this cheat"... of course, that shit makes money, a fucking ton of money if its well designed lol.

[@icarusunited]

In regards to the screen. you see it globally, on a client level. The game artificially adds in fow on a server level. It's just the special client building a database based on the client. Add this in with prior movement & client side movement predictions math it can calculate movement to an extent. Leblanc on a client level has indicators that she's a clone or not. For example, ignite. Cheating wise, anything available to clients is not really cheating. It's why a lot of "cheaters" don't get caught.

[@luxaly9510]

nowaydays scripts get banned really fast... back in the days u could script for years and dont get banned^^