The "Harsh Truth" About The Detroit Red Wings

[@mechanicalelizabeth]

As a big time Wings fan. I think this change to the head coach has already started to show improvement in the team. As a fan, with only a fans eye to the game. The Wings have become more aggressive and a little faster in their play. Something that they have been missing all year. DO I think this will make for a comeback to a playoff this season. No, they need a lot more work. But I am hopeful that the 25-26 season they will be far far more competitive then they have been in years.

[@jimmyhockey]

Yeah based on how competitive the league is this year, it will be challenging to make a playoff spot, however they should still compete this year to try and see what they can potentially improve on. MClellan should get the boys to play with more effort so we will have to wait and see

[@Geo272]

@@jimmyhockeywe are competing for a wild card again

[@youngdrowsy_]

Literally huge improvement. Anyone who has watched all the games this year knows this team looks completely different under McLellan. The last 4 games have been fun to watch. We’re 3-1 in the Todd McLellan era. That’s all that matters right now. Keep the momentum rolling

[@mysticone1798]

Always "next year" for the Wings. It's inconceivable how a GM takes a decent 2023 team, makes a bunch of trades and changes, then ends up with a 2024 team that's not as good. Why on earth did they trade Walman???? He was a good D man, worked well with Seider, and was a good goal scorer to boot. Just makes no sense to me, and it looks like I'm not the only one throwing shade on the "Yzerman Plan". Frankly, I don't think he has a plan.

[@Geo272]

@ walman was a cap dump and we were bad as a result of trying to run things like dump and chase with a offense that couldn’t play that style look what a change in coach has done also for a man who “doesn’t have a plan” we certainly have the best prospect pool in the NHL clearly a plan for a bright future and he has not brought in many free agents that are good but look at the owner for that it’s no coincidence that the tigers have the same problem and the good free agents get 1 year contracts so they don’t have to give much money yzerman was trying to bring in a guy who in hindsight was a dodged built in stamkos but the owner never got back to him

[@doglover5591]

as a die-hard wings fan, and a michigan resident, they've actually been doing better. they're almost 500 ever since they fired their coach LGRW :D

[@MGSDude01]

The season isn’t lost, and the relief factor is Stevie wasn’t giving up on the season. McLellan’s “Play Fooking Hockey” speech was the spark this team needed. Patty Kane’s heating up, the entire team looks totally different from whatever the hell Lalonde was preaching. They just won again tonight over the Jackets in a last minute thriller, with half a season remaining. They keep this up, spring time hockey will be back in HockeyTown. LGRW🐙

[@chevelle1]

Nobody talks about the one glaring problem with this team: Not one power forward. The top 6 wingers are all the same player: undersized, soft skill. Equally problematic is Yzerman’s (or the pro scouts) failure at filling the 2C position. He signed Copp for it after having an outlier offensive yr after being a career checking, 3C. Then after that failure became apparent to him, he does the exact same thing with Compher. A career checking 3C who had an outlier offensive yr. MAYBE if Wings had a McDavid as the 1C, that could work. But Larkin him self probably isn’t a 1C. Also, Having natural centers in your top 9 is a game changer. Look at the FL Panthers. Their top 3 lines, 7/9 of those players are natural centers. Barkov, Verhagee, Reinhart, Rodrigues, Bennett, Lundell, Luostereien. And 3 of them could play 1C and the rest of them could play 2C. And this list doesn’t include Jesper Boqvist, (center) who’s been playing 3rd line when Samsoskevic isn’t. Now look at Wings center depth. Kasper is the only hope after Larkin. You can take a center and move him to wing anytime, reverse doesn’t work. Kane, Debrincat, Raymond= all same player. Berggren developing to also be the same. Atleast Fabbri was a natural center. Then you have the endlessly frustrating player to watch in Rasmussen. Drafted to be a 1C, clearly not it, that’s ok, how about a power forward? That requires playing like a “junkyard dog” after a bone. He has the size for it. Skill too. But not the drive. It’s frustrating. And none of this addresses Stevie’s horrible management of building a d core. His decisions last offseason were atrocious. Doesn’t re-sign Ghost, ok that’s fine, but then ships Walman out WITH a pick for nothing?! !?. The guy played on your top pair for half the season. Still young enough to develop more and age fit with the rebuild. Need to trade a veteran d man? Ok. How about Petry, Holl, Chariot? Nope. Traded the best vet in Maatta. Who’s a cup winner and still young enough to fit the rebuild. Stevie should overpay to get Sam Bennett. As a Panthers fan also, that’s be bittersweet, but he’s the exact type of player wings need. Imagine Bennett instead of Copp for example? Just that one trade off moves the needle massively.

[@thebestwingsfan]

The irony with Lalonde taking the offense away is that the defense didn't improve a bit from last year. Also, him a great coach? Maybe in the minors he was but in the big league, he was worse than Blashill.

[@jimmyhockey]

Yes, he wasn't the best fit for Detroit but he is still a great coach. Yes it is ironic that his strategy never worked.

[@bozidarborojevic4131]

He did good last year he lost his way this season

[@paulwt9783]

@@jimmyhockey Derek Lalonde is not a great coach, no.

[@matthewguess74]

@@paulwt9783 How do you know? Have you been coached by him? Because a majority of players say he is a good coach. KZbinr keyboard warriors think they know everything. Derek Lalonde isn't the only coach that's been fired for poor team play. Derek will find another coaching job at some point.

[@paulwt9783]

@@matthewguess74 i know Derek Lalonde is not a great coach bc he just did literally the worst coaching job I've ever seen. he coached a middling roster into being the worst 5v5 team in the entire league. he shut Patrick Kane down for a career worst 9 games straight wo a point. he had Kane without Alex DeBrincat the majority of the year. and he was called out by multiple players this season, and since his firing multiple players have expressed happiness about the positive changes of the new coach. Kane has played for 8 NHL head coaches now, of those 8 he has only ever publicly criticized the strategy of one of them - it was Derek Lalonde. And he did it multiple times. He tried to save Derek from himself. But Lalonde didn't listen.

[@steveulinski98]

I've been a lifelong die hard fan of the Detroit Red Wings since i was born in 1998, i remember seeing the 2002 (more like a glimpse) 2008, 2009 Stanley Cup Finals on TV. When i joined the Navy out of high school in 2017, i still watched my wings wherever i was stationed in California and yes 2019 and 2020/2021 were excruciatingly painful seasons. When i restationed to Japan this past year (still there), watching the Wings was like waiting for miracle to happen until recently when Lalonde was fired. Now with Mclellan, I can see brighter with my hone team.

[@FirewagonHockey]

Mclellan was a great hire and with his experience I think the Wings are bound to get back on track. They had stretches like this last season which cost them a playoff spot but Yzerman hasn't rlly made any big mistakes yet.

[@jimmyhockey]

That is true, they had the whole jersey ad incident last year where they lost like 10+ in a row

[@mattl2642]

Paying the sharks a 2nd to take walman was a big mistake. Especially when more than 1 gm in the league has cone out and said they would have happily traded someone of value for him. Also, signing copp and compher to 5 years deals in back to back seasons was another mistake.

[@Joe-t3r9u]

​@@mattl2642 walman was too soft and got pushed around! There was a reason Walman was a healthy scratch for multiple games at the end of the season when the Wings were making their run for the playoffs.

[@moappleseider1699]

@@mattl2642 Not mad at the Compher contract at all. He does his job and we can trade him next season and eat a portion of his contract and it wont hurt us. I miss Walman but apparently there was some behind the scenes issued with him. Which GM's "in the league has cone out and said they would have happily traded someone of value for him." cause this is news to me. Show me a GM who said that and I'll show you a lying douche bag who's trying to stir up some BS with our team. Future considerations from the Sharks front office could come in handy in the future. They now owe Yzerman a favor. Especially since they seem to be pretty happy with Walman right now.

[@mattl2642]

@moappleseider1699 Barry trotz has stated publicly that he was curious as to why Yzerman didn't do his due diligence when trading walman. Stating that he would've possibly made a deal for him. Fact of the matter is Yzerman didn't do his job. And in what reality is it good business to sign a guy to a 5 year deal, then move him after 2 years and retain money on the remaining 3? That is absolutely stupid.

[@richierich398]

I don’t think drafting is the issue. We haven’t been able to get that star player through the draft because they have consistently lost the draft lottery every single year. And we’ve never once advanced in the lottery we’ve always either kept our pick or got pushed back 2 to 3 positions every time.

[@lbjmedia2151]

You're young and maybe don't remember it took Yzerman 14 years to win his first cup. Ken Holland put this team in such a hole. People got fired up about the Walman trade and then stuff comes out he play video games too much. Culture isn't going to be born overnight and they are not just looking to get into the playoffs. They're looking to get into the playoff for the next 25 years again and bring home 3-6 cups. There's also 32 teams now. So there's going to be 31 losers every year. Yzerman earned his right to build a team. Win or lose The Captain in the GM.

[@mysticone1798]

Walman was a good D man and a good scorer to boot. Also worked well with Seider. Who cares how much he plays video games???? It's his life off the ice. Bottom line, he was a talented player, and they let him go!

[@stevekendra8983]

Ok calm down on the fire Yzerman talk. It took him about a decade to get Tampa to a Stanley cup, and he even left before that happened! Much if what he put together g er though made it so Tampa could win. Also, we never had the luxury of a #1 overall pick unlike teams like Buffalo, NJ, and Edmonton who had multiple #1 overall picks. The closest Yzerman got was #4 in Lucas Raymond. Has it been perfect? Nope, but at this point, why burn it all to the ground after just a few years? Don't forget, it took Yzerman 14(ish) years in the league before his first of 3 cups. Stay calm and let him work.

[@ajmpatriot4899]

Well said, everything. 👍 Drafting a superstar is not easy, however. Even if you get the first pick. There are so many variables in putting together a championship team.

[@digitalUID]

They weren’t supposed to win a Cup, but they weren’t supposed to regress like this either. They were supposed to be a serious wildcard contender.

[@jimmyhockey]

This season based on potential this team could have been in the wild card race or at least reach the same potential as last year, being so low in the standings seems like a slight fall back

[@mysticone1798]

Bingo!! I don't think fans are asking too much to see steady progress with the team. Instead, it's 2 steps forward and 1 step back. I doubt that Yzerman is doing all that great a job.

[@tombarr949]

Sometimes a step back is not a step back. This year there are 4 players seeing ice time that were in GR last year: Edvinsson, Berggren, Johansson and Kasper. They did not replace guys there age, this was a necessary pruning of the line up to let some new, young growth happen. And go check in on the World Juniors and add Axel Sandin-Pelika and Tre Augustine into the discussion. In a couple years, another long playoff run will happen, for years. Oh, and by the way, Original Six doesn't mean much as the 6 have not won a Cup in 10 years and individually, they have a Cup drought of 10 to 58 years AND Canada has a 32 year blank sheet. And fun fact: 6 of the last 8 Cup finalist come from sun belt states with low or no taxes.

[@bstech2003]

Do you actually watch many Red Wings games? Like the last 4 games under Todd McLellan? This is a markedly different team. Under Lalonde, the Wings would play tight defensively and if they fell behind then they panicked and all hell would break loose. A typical Wings game would be to go into the 2nd period up 2-1. Give up a goal and suddenly they are tied so the panic would set in and before you know it they would be down 6-2. And it seemed like there were always 3 or 4 goals in 5 minutes. If there is something I am really frustrated with Yzerman, it is that he kept Blashill too long, 537 games. And let’s face facts the Wings quit on Lalonde. My take on the Yzerplan is I wish Stevie would stop the long contracts to average players, especially on defense. Chiarot has been a disaster. Ditto Petry. I strongly disagree about the draft picks. There are a few later-round picks like Mazur, Lombardi and Augustine. My bigger question for Yzerman is why they wait so long to bring players in? This year is an exception with 4 rookies on the team but in past years it has been 1 or 2. Are Mazur or Danielson ready for the NHL? I would like to see them try. And why did they let Axel Sandin-Pellika go to the SHL? He currently leads all defensemen in the SHL in scoring. Could he replace what we lost when we didn’t resign Shayne Gostisbehere? I don’t know but a creative defenseman that scores a ton would help a lot.

[@mysticone1798]

They got rid of Jake Walman too. Another good D man and decent goal scorer. Can't make this sh*t up.

[@guillaumeinjjuz1744]

As a habs fan I wanna see the wings succeed. A big franchise like that original 6 needs to be on top

[@guyfrommybox]

What's nuts is as of right this second. With the win against CBJ we are 4 points out of WC2... Of course with a logjam of mid in the way. So.. its possible. Will it happen? Meh probably not but personally id be happy with a 500 team thats fun to watch.

[@jimmyhockey]

Hey ya never know, teams go on hot streaks all the time. Happened with Nashville last year!

[@kr25552]

We need a top 5 pick. We lack prospects with elite scoring. Defense and goalies is set up for the future. Gonna be a really young team with cap space come 2027. It’s really not a bad situation just slow

[@jimmyhockey]

I think they just need to do a better job surrounding their core players. Raymond Larkin, Cat, and Seider are good players but when you have a subpar roster around them there is little they can do

[@Staticseven]

@@jimmyhockey They should have been bringing in the young players earlier and more. If they brought in the younger guys sooner they could see who they want to keep and trade. That way they could have gotten better veterans at the right times

[@AustinWestbro]

????? What team are you talking about? The wings have elite prospects and no defense

[@mattl2642]

​​@@AustinWestbro wings maybe have 1 elite prospect in asp. Their prospect cabinet is not elite by any means. I'm a fan of danielson. But he's never going to be elite in the nhl

[@doctorx3]

@@mattl2642 yep. Danielson is probably going to be a damned good 2C. Someone who can score you the occasional goal by making you think that they're going to pass, but also rack up a ton of assists and keep you out of trouble defensively. Think budget model Igor Larionov. I'm also really encouraged by Liam Dower Nilsson and Dmitri Buchelnikov, but there are still a ton of question marks.

[@paulwt9783]

Kane is a winning culture player. He is virtually unique in that locker room in this respect. If you want a thumbnail for this theme try Larkin.

[@Adjektivef]

Hell no

[@THECREEPER-69]

Yep love Larkin but Seider should be our captain

[@matthewguess74]

@@THECREEPER-69 Another example of Larkin underappreciation. Larkin is a great captain. Just because Seider is a great player and teammate doesn't mean he should be captain.

[@THECREEPER-69]

@matthewguess74 Larkin works hard. Larkin is empathetic. Larkin is talented. Larkin is soft. Larkin is injury prone. Larkin is emotional. Larkin is not an alpha male. He is not the guy who picks up a battle axe and leads the charge into an unwinnable battle while his men follow him without hesitation

[@matthewguess74]

@ lmfao “Larkin is not an alpha male” Bro gtfo of here with that none sense. You don’t know what you’re talking about. Are you in the locker room? Do you know Larkin personally ? Every teammate he’s had has nothing bad to say about Larkin as a captain But yeah THECREEPER-69 knows all about Larkin and being an “alpha male”. You sound like one of those Andrew Tate weirdos. No such thing as the “alpha” concept in the first place but insecure incel men like to continue to spout this nonsense. Anyone who’s done an ounce of research knows that. And I’m talking about actual research like sociologists and behaviorists not your favorite macho masculine KZbin channel lmfao

[@ajvaronos5916]

Give us 2 months we’ll be in the mix just wait baby!

[@jimmyhockey]

I’m here for it

[@Nathan_Whaley-g8m]

I have always thought Larkin and Eichel where at the same level.

[@jimmyhockey]

Hmm I think Eichel has the edge but Larkin is still a fantastic player

[@ColdToiletSeats]

Larkin gives it his all every night, when he's injured it shows big time.

[@Daguynumber1]

To your points about not drafting a star quality player and not doing a “tear-it-down” rebuild, I would actually argue the wings did completely tear it down. The only disclaimer is that Yzerman didn’t have much to “tear down” from as far as roster make up. The wings had the worst record by points percentage ever recorded in the NHL for the 2019-2020 season, and they got the 4th overall pick. They still picked the best player of that draft imo (Raymond) but my point is that the wings have been at the depths of the league and have yet to draft higher than 4th overall. They have had low success rates with picks past the first round, I give you that. But some recent later picks may become NHL regulars in due time.

[@talkingben4769]

We have some 3 games in a row, a great start with our new coach, I think the coach change was definitely the right decision and he is a very creative and his is a player coach, he will talk to someone if there is something wrong with how they play

[@bmantheawsome77]

There is no reason to criticize stevie at all not every guy takes a year or 2 to develop after they get drafted u are starting to see his later round steals develop nicely i mean a 7th round pick Emmitt finnie is on pace for over 100 points in the whl theres other guys as well stevie only took over in 2019 the guys from 2017 and 2018 he didnt draft that was holland stevie would of made better picks i promise you example imagine we got quin hughs instead of zadina stevie would of picked hughs these guys are still devloping once they are all on the team we will be a wagon especially in net and on defence asp i think can be a top 5 damn in the nhl and all the vets on the team wont be here when stevies drafted guy's are on the team and we are competing for cups these guys on the team right now are to fill in roster spost while the young guys develop for us everyone is so damn impatient now a days idc about making the playoffs and speeding up the rebuild to lose in round 1 every year like the leafs stevie is building this team up to contend for a decade plus not just make the playoffs to make the playoffs but to win cups look at augistine canada had what 40 shots on net he let in 1 goal cossa is unreal in the ahl jessie kisskinen who he traded for in the offseason looks very good in the liliga and has 5 points in the world juniors and 3 or 4 goals dimitri buchnikov in the khl is having a unreal season danielson has started to really pick it up in the ahl edvinsson looks unreal with seider like these guys are young still they need time to develop lombadri looks very good in the ahl too shai buiium looks good as well everyone needs to pump the breaks and guess what if we win the lottery this year and get a misa a mortone or hagins the rebuild is 100k percent done and we have our other star or superstar forward and raymond is going to get to that panarin level too i promise u hes above larkin in terms of star to superstar

[@dingdonglouie]

when you look at draft history, Holland picked Zadina over Hughes. then Cholowski, Svechnikov, and whoever else who never made it etc. so with Yzermans draft picks, yeah it set the wings back a bit just waiting for his actual picks to get older and ready. the Yzerplan is delayed because of poor management from previous. you have 1 Larkin from past 10 years of Holland who turned out fine. it sucks but time is a factor. many good prospects coming up. these shit signings of Copp, Erne, Sprong, Compher, Holl, etc are just to fill time. make the Wings not complete ass but we know we aren't gonna be good until our Yzerman picks are ready. and there are a ton coming.

[@j.jsamra]

I think Yzermans biggest flaw was his free agent signings. Outside of that. He's done as well as he could given the pure unlucky draft lottery spots we've gotten. Once the defensive and goalie prospects come into the NHL in 1-2 years. Those 2 spots are pretty set. Maybe some signings of left handed D's but thats about it. Offensively its the weakest part. But hoping that Buchelnikov being that superstar will be all we really have to hope hits. Nate Danielson will be solid, Carter Mazur looks good when hes healthy. Outside of superstar forward and a 1st line Center. The Yzerplan drafting has been quite good if not exceeding the poor draft luck. It just takes time for prospects to develop. A mix of waiting for the prospects and praying Yzerman gets better at free agent signings is the 2 biggest problems of the team.

[@jimmyhockey]

Yeah, once the young guys come up Yzerman can then be fully judged. Tough to criticize him when most of the picks are still rising through the ranks. I’m excited for the next 2-3 years for this team, that’s when you will get the full version of the Yzerplan. If things don’t start looking up over next season or the year after, that’s when people will really be frustrated with this whole rebuild from Stevie Y

[@j.jsamra]

@@jimmyhockey Fully agree. Kinda hoping Pelikka and Buchelnikov skip the AHL and go straight to NHL next year to speed it up a bit. Those 2 specifically are the biggest missing pieces long term and are definitely good enough for the NHL right now.

[@ethanparker7900]

@@j.jsamra its crazy cause he did so well in tampa drafting guys like kuch, palat, vasy, johnson, paquette, namestnikov, point, etc and kept guys like stamkos and hedman around prior to free agency and also made great trades like callahan and sergachev and signings like of filppula, stralman, girardi, gourde, etc. He was ofc a solid mentor for JBB when he was the GM and JBB was the AGM.

[@jessecoonce1363]

​@@j.jsamraBuchelnikov is under contract in the KHL next year as well

[@j.jsamra]

@@jessecoonce1363 I may be wrong but I believe he can end the contract early? But I can only imagine it if he goes straight to NHL if it can happen at all

[@iprey4surf]

Patience. Holland dragged out starting the rebuild by 3 seasons and the league somehow managed to give Detroit ZERO breaks in the drafts. Actually, we dropped the most spots of any team in the League. We have hit upon players in the draft that technically should have been higher up, so Stevie has picked well imo. Wait till ASP and Danielson make the team and Kasper moves into superstar status. I feel we have at least 2 drafted players who will surprise the shit out of people and rise to greatness as well. I will let u guess who they are...

[@jessecoonce1363]

It would be a real stretch to predict Raymond will get to superstar status, if you think Kasper is getting anywhere near where Raymond is now in his absolute prime, nevermind superstar territory, is absolute delusion.

[@zauberlichneo]

I think drafting has been a strength of the Yzerplan, not a weakness. The reason very few of those draft picks have played at the NHL level is because Yzerman keeps making questionable free agent signings that block the kids from moving up. There are quite a few prospects who could have been playing in the NHL by now except there isn't a spot in Detroit for them. Whether slow rolling them in the AHL is the right move or not is up for debate, but it's a deliberate choice, not a lack of good draft picks.

[@tomfilipiak3511]

They may have a chance to make the play offs but after that they are a pipe dream!Just the facts mam,Jack Webb,Sgt.Joe Friday,Dragnet TV,1954!

[@bassomatic6055]

3 main problems: 1. not committed to full rebuild when needed 2. Poor veteran signings - Copp, Teresenko, petry, chariot, etc. 3. Letting useful players go. Wahlmsn, ghost, etc

[@cheesemouse7774]

I believe Todd will hold them all accountable. That’s what is needed. When I heard Todd say, the team held their first practice that lasted longer than one hour when he showed up, I believe I heard the problem. Let’s see how it goes.

[@snipercz6093]

Buffalo had Eichel, Rainhart, Hall and where are they now?

[@jimmyhockey]

That is something completely different from what is happening here. Buffalo has had a hard time developing players Detroit has done a pretty solid job there

[@mikebarber12]

How long are the wings going to keep sebastian cossa in the ahl before he gets called up to the nhl permanently

[@pjpredhomme7699]

you have to be a complete idiot - to burn an ELC year on this team with 3 NHL caliber goalies - pretty hard to imagine how you people think - or don't.

[@timfronimos459]

Awesome video. Finally, somebody w the guts to tell it like it actually is. Hats off to Jimmy Hockey

[@jimmyhockey]

Thanks for watching glad you enjoyed the video!

[@duncan4260]

Similar to buffalo. The culture stops hating to loose and people dont play as hard. Opposite would be Calgary improving on last year despite selling near everyone and being Cap floor due to their new culture. Culture has a huge impact on players under/overpreforming. Hell NYR this yr shows that as well as went from presidents to everyone underpreformig.

[@jl3059]

You know how bad we were when Yzerman took over. We can wait another yr or 3. Purposely tank for Dupont😜

[@bassomatic6055]

Sorry you actually do need a harsh rebuild in order to compete for a cup. The reason is that you need to build an offensive and defensive core that matures and enters their prime at the same time.

[@jimmyhockey]

Yeah but going to the bottom doesn’t change players ages. You can draft a player 10th overall and 1st overall and they could still have the same timeline

[@ethanparker7900]

ofc no one wants to see anyone lost their job especially if it is mid season but sometimes it's needed no question at all

[@jimmyhockey]

Not saying it wasn’t necessary I think they needed a change. Things like this usually help teams so let’s see how Meclellan adapts to this new team

[@ethanparker7900]

@@jimmyhockey yah exactly i wasn't trying to put those words in your mouth at all i agree though that sometimes a new voice freshens it up.

[@Sir_Naps_A_Lot]

In my opinion yes Steve hasn't lived up to the billing BUT, I also think his hands are tied at the wrist. Ownership needs to let him do his job (not saying he gets a blank check but a few with amounts filled in would be nice). The pizza king seems to think he can take it with him (the money that is) when we all know that ain't so. Spend some freekin money Chris. Let Steve do his job. He's not going to bankrupt you believe me when I say that.

[@pjpredhomme7699]

Its not the Pizza king - he NEVER was a problem - he always gave his people whatever they needed . It is the dauphin - he clearly has little interest in these teams other than to turning a profit and seeing the value of the franchises grow = he really is tarnishing his dad's legacy as far as the sports teams go .

[@Sir_Naps_A_Lot]

@@pjpredhomme7699 Sure your not thinking about his father? Yes, Mr. I loved his team. I'm just not sure Chris loves it nearly as much.

[@dr.loomis4221]

Now they've won 7 straight

[@jimmyhockey]

LGRW!

[@dr.loomis4221]

@@jimmyhockey I really hope they can keep it going. It was just a given growing up that they'd be in the playoffs.

[@homer1268]

Lol we just won

[@homer1268]

And another

[@jok3r906]

I can give three reasons... Shaky defending from line 2 and 3, iffy goaltending, Lalonde was like Matt Patrica, and need to trade away a couple old guys to improve

[@jimmyhockey]

Trading those players will likely get you a few late picks but probably will be the route Stevie Y takes. MClellan should be able to give them a new coach boast at least so hopefully there are some improvements

[@paulwt9783]

Wings fans are the most shameless homers I've ever encountered in sports. You blame the veteran free agents for everything, never say a bad word or allow a bad word about Larkin Raymond or Seider. The entire current 2nd line is a plus at 5v5 this year. All 3 guys. JT Compher is a + at 5v5 this year. You know who are minuses at 5v5 this year? Larkin and Raymond. Top line. Their top line w DeBrincat got outscored 13-8 this season. The Kane Cat Larkin top line meanwhile is winning 17-7 together over 2 seasons. Kane as a Red Wing is +3 at 5v5. In that same time, Lucas Raymond is -13 at 5v5. "Shaky defending from line 2 and 3" haha ok.

[@Gkett883]

​@paulwt9783 fair weather fans that have never laced a pair up. Unfortunately with all the winning Detroit did in the late 90s/early 2000's it has left the state full of arm chair GMs. Clueless to how a real winner builds a foundation from ground up

[@arnaudfontaine7882]

"avoided a harsh rebuild"? theyve been mediocre for almost a decade, to me thats a long, painful and "harsh" rebuild

[@jimmyhockey]

Harsh is being at the bottom of the league, Detroit really hasn’t done that

[@arnaudfontaine7882]

@@jimmyhockey harsh is being out of the playoffs for 9 seasons and no hope in sight

[@azizshavershian2065]

Larkin is not captain material at all

[@andybaker4450]

They've fallen from the top of the bottom to the middle of the bottom. We call it "the Yzerplan".

[@jimmyhockey]

They have regressed a bit but I’m expecting a turnaround at some point, they are playing way below their potential