The Haters Guide to the 2023/24 NHL Season: Western Conference All-Star Edition

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In the Western Conference of the NHL, it's full of surprises. Mostly Vancouver. Where the hell did that come from? Winnipeg's surge is a close second, but the Canucks? Good god...
With the increasing feistiness and dazzling displays of talent throughout the league, there will be plenty of drama to go around in the final months before a champion can be crowned. From the highs of title defenses to the doldrums of despair to sudden panics after long-range skids to everything in between, this video has it all... mostly.
Yes, I am still very, very late. Super late.

[@conner4277]

Pekke Rinne is too good right now

[@adamthespinygiant]

*THE FUCKING PENGUINS 🐧 *

[@broadstreetbullies849]

Dumpster fire

[@samtinkle9076]

*is, and always will be... for better or for worse

[@UHOH_415]

Too good right now, too good right now, too good right now...

[@motivationallizard6644]

As a predators fan I can confirm he’s still too good right now.

[@adamthespinygiant]

This Thursday marks 4 years since the Maple Leafs lost to a 42 year old zamboni driver *WHO WORKS FOR THEM*

[@BondandBourne]

Ah that episode of LFR with Steve Dangle where he went even more ballistic than usual, good times! I’m gonna rewatch that episode now, thanks!

[@mattrosoff1117]

“They lost to a 42 year old Zamboni driver who works for them”-Steve Dangle

[@picklenik9658]

How the time flies, can’t wait for the 5th anniversary next year

[@agent45625]

@@picklenik9658 Steve Dangle already went ballistic this year, with the 9-3 loss to the Sabres in Buffalo. With an arena dominated by visiting Leaf fans.

[@boogerbreath1]

All time hurricanes moment.

[@gibberingmouther710]

Please do a "Greatest Game" of the MN Wild vs Vancouver Canucks game from the February, 19th 2024. It was absolutely nuts.

[@Mute14_]

of course this comes out when Vancouver loses 10-7 just waiting for that '08 slide repeat

[@mason.11]

Greatest Game: NHL Edition?

[@floridaman6281]

3 separate hat tricks, two players with 6 points…what a game

[@zacharycline8340]

lets be honest the refs gave them that win

[@agent45625]

Rumor has it that Phil Kessel was doing a workout session with the Abbotsford Canucks. Would he end up suiting up for Vancouver?

[@gregcub3d]

15:15 he even called it today (although maybe that's a last minute edit)

[@wifishark8]

0:00 Sponsor 1:48 Duck and Cover (Anaheim Ducks) 2:38 Hockey Purgatory? (Arizona Coyotes) 3:27 Self-Immolation (Calgary Flames) 4:38 Enter the Crematorium (Chicago Blackhawks) 5:17 Colorado Avalanche 6:19 Dallas Stars 7:09 Rubberbanding AI (Edmonton Oilers) 8:21 A Nefarious Plot (Los Angeles Kings) 9:39 A Very Bloody Coup (Minnesota Wild) 10:51 Nashville Predators 11:49 Where Are You, 2019? (St. Louis Blues) 12:53 Shark Bait (San Jose Sharks) 13:39 Seattle Kraken 14:26 Reverse Jinx? (Vancouver Canucks) 15:29 Hoping for Sevens (Vegas Golden Knights) 16:21 Perfetti and The Jets (Winnipeg Jets)

[@akilh340]

Thank you 🙏🏾

[@ozma6918]

Rubberbanding AI 😂😂😂😂😂

[@ElderStatesman]

Calgary & "Self-Immolation." Guess that's why they call themselves a "C" of Red. Lol.

[@matthewmiller7293]

AC4 music? I knew you were a man of culture, but damn Tree that takes me back!

[@benjaminokonski9186]

He was playing AC3 in one of his last NFL videos, too. I discovered the series during the pandemic, but it's grown into one of my favorite niche franchises. It's also fueled my love for fighter planes/jets. (And I think that's MGS2 through the end of the Anaheim segment?)

[@Harmonmj13]

Time stamp. Now.

[@matthewmiller7293]

@@Harmonmj13 0:00 Gateway, AC4 OST

[@NeSeeger]

@@Harmonmj13 During the ad

[@Harmonmj13]

Wow absolutely bad time for me to skip the ad then lol

[@NQProductions]

The xtra wait was worth it, I always love it when Tree covers the NHL. Makes hockey way more fun to watch and analyse.

[@sportsmaster1364]

As an Oilers fan, thank you for bringing up the near-acquisition of Corey Perry told in lore. Yes, we finally got Perry, and didn't have to give up Mike Comrie for him. It's beautiful.

[@DiehardMechWarrior]

>Tree: (trying to sell me yet another VPN service that I don’t want) >my nerdy ass: “Wait…is that…is that Ace Combat 04’s Gateway I’m hearing? Holy shit! Nice choice, Tree!”

[@moonjelly5]

Tree's music choices are always fantastic.

[@JoeVideoed]

@@moonjelly5 Speaking of which, the background music for when Chicago shows up (4:40) is the same as what FOX uses during injury timeouts for football. Any1 know who actually performed it? I like it a lot.

[@moonjelly5]

@@JoeVideoed I don't know. My favorite music cues of Tree are the Sonic 3 Bonus game used for incompetent hockey management screwups and the Hotline Miami music for any Miami team.

[@choosecarefully408]

VPNs be damned, I'm a regular blood donor: due to regulations still in place due to the bogus (paPYRUS) scare, I have to book my appointments in advance on-line. I can't donate blood without them being able to detect my location. I *can't give blood* if a VPN is active on my PC. Without having to make a phone call anyway.

[@shoeshiner9314]

Im a fan of the sonic spinball music inclusions

[@IamKingSleezy]

My dad called the Wild during the 2015 playoffs the “Minnesota Mild” and I’ve never found a more fitting name since.

[@a17yearoldonyoutubeluigi]

Going from the season they had last year to this year, I think it's clear to say that Vancouver is living in a god damn miracle.

[@saku9177]

As a fan I can confirm it doesn't feel real

[@Nathanielhiggerson66]

10-7 ouch

[@dominickangelo4319]

1st round exit waiting to happen.

[@saku9177]

@@dominickangelo4319 good point however I will gladly inhale the hopium

[@dominickangelo4319]

@@saku9177 the problem with Vancouver is their shooting percentages and GF above expected + GA below expected are at unrealistic levels. Law of averages states these will level out eventually and they’ll come back down to earth.

[@caesaraugustus784]

AC4 music…….tree your a real one. Heavily underrated game.

[@justinlast2lastharder749]

Best of the series. I loved StarFox 64 and Metal Gear Solid 2...but the "Mobius 1? Hello?. Mobius 1 is down" was the best dying voice line.

[@masterknight5058]

For real

[@spartan4196]

Tree talking positively about the canucks was not on my season bingo card

[@MazeDaGr8]

Stranger things have happened

[@LateNightTableCo]

Just be lucky he made this video before today. Still can’t believe the Wild beat them 10-7

[@jameswatson8387]

although he did put "unless they randomly choke to Minnesota@@LateNightTableCo Treestradamous

[@idawg7332]

@@LateNightTableCo As a panthers fan i was hoping the canucks would keep winning in the regular season because I really don't want the presidents trophy

[@LateNightTableCo]

@@jameswatson8387 I’m guessing that was a reference to the Wild’s ‘03 playoff run, so the fact this game landed on the day Tree released his video is further proof of his ability to curse teams

[@BuckingBadger]

Do i hear Ace Combat 4 menu music at the beginning? Jesus I feel old

[@ackbarfan5556]

Yep, that's Gateway.

[@UHOH_415]

Good game right there.

[@samnuell864]

My people!

[@xaviersaavedra7442]

"jesus" ;)

[@BarrinJer]

Cant wait for the Haters Guide to the Playoffs....Tree does more for hockey than ESPN, keep up the top tier work man!

[@higherground9888]

That's... Pathetic

[@TheFusionmix]

I was literally listening to the AC4 soundtrack earlier today haha

[@girthquakr]

Ace Combat 04 music goes hard, another reason to like your content

[@conorcahill5422]

@UrinatingTree 'Unless they choke against Minnesota'. Now I know EXACTLY who to blame for the result today. Thanks Tree. Thanks a lot. For putting yourself forward. 😂

[@UrinatingTree]

I changed that the moment that it was happening lol.

[@error404usernamenotfound2]

I didn't know you were an Ace Combat 04 fan! That game was my childhood

[@fleshwoundNPG]

The good news for the Avs is that MacKinnon/Rantanen/Makar makes every game look like hockey from 1986. The bad news for the Avs is that their goaltending makes every game look like hockey from 1986.

[@Nathanielhiggerson66]

Georgiev has been overplayed this season. Bednar needs to trust annunen, we need someone else to share the net w G in the postseason tho

[@auraofazure]

The 2023-24 Sharks season, in a nutshell: "I expected nothing. And I'm STILL let down."

[@Pokemonmaster150b]

Hey, if it lands us a top pick, I'll be alright with it. Pessimism is for weaklings.

[@TheGprinziv]

Tbh it's better than I expected us to be.

[@justinlast2lastharder749]

​@@Pokemonmaster150band Optimism is for Fans of better Franchises... I grew up in San Jose during the Vinny Damp/Owen Nolan/Marleau/Mike Vernon/Shields Era.

[@manzac112]

It's honestly nice that the Stars humming like a car. Please don't break my heart and let the goalie out to die, Dallas.....Please?

[@minihulk4563]

The defense core isn't that strong. Outside of Miro and Lindell, everybody else is suspect. Perhaps an upgrade is in order?

[@manzac112]

@@minihulk4563 Don't make me cry because I miss Jamie Oleksiak........I'm gonna cry now...

[@Archangel1994]

@@minihulk4563you’re forgetting Harley, he’s been a rising star in our D corps. And honestly? Lundqist has been improving quite a bit which is why it really sucked when he got hurt recently.

[@minihulk4563]

​@Archangel1994 its more of Suter and hakanpää

[@minihulk4563]

​@manzac112 I do too. Been pulling for you guys since Pavelski joined the Stars.

[@Ironwolf_Legacy]

STARTING THE VIDEO WITH ACE COMBAT 4 MUSIC. YOU ARE AMAZING, TREE

[@fen1xdown]

That Air Combat opening, brought back memories!

[@uhhhmaeve]

The Preds being the Honda Accord of teams... god that's too accurate Fingers crossed they catch fire but I'm fully expecting some more middle-of-the-roadness before they fully become good again

[@captaincortez4917]

Behold, a sudden (albeit, modest) winning streak to put us right back up. Actually, scratch that, the Preds are on a 11-0-2 heater right now.

[@ActiveFire533]

@@captaincortez4917how about a 16-0-4 run in the end?

[@ackbarfan5556]

HOLY SHIT! TREE! YOU'RE USING ACE COMBAT 04 MUSIC AT THE START!!!!

[@Lukeee91]

As a HUGE Ace Combat fan, hearing "Gateway" from AC04 as the background music for the commercial literally had my eyes watering up. Oh and great video as always!

[@MrWaifuTaker]

As an Oilers fan, this season has been turbo bipolar.

[@thestarlightalchemist7333]

As a fellow Oilers fan, agreed.

[@razgriz1923]

Ace Combat 4 ost lets gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! 0:01

[@legndery1909]

Gotta love the Ace Combat music at the start.

[@wynonasbigbrownbeaver6757]

I feel like the kings and oilers seasons are intertwined somehow. Both have had horrible stretches, and both are among the best teams in the NHL. Another playoff rematch would go hard

[@seanragsdale5636]

Leave it to Arizona to face relocation to finally become mid Also less said about the Perry rumor the better

[@LordLowe]

The San Jose Sharks are the hockey equivalent of tonight’s Daytona 500 finish messy as all hell

[@kymakongus]

It's absolutely crazy that despite the two 10 game loss streaks, back to back 10 goal losses, mass injuries to star players, and bad contracts, we somehow don't have a massive lead in the lottery race.

[@rayanomar4832]

2 Urinatingtree NHL videos within a couple days? Must be a dream come true

[@marco4103]

1:48 Duck & Cover (Anaheim Ducks) 2:39 Hockey’s Purgatory? (Arizona Coyotes) 3:28 Self-Immolation (Calgary Flames) 4:28 Enter the Crematorium( Chicago Blackhawks) 5:18 Colorado Avalanche 6:20 Dallas Stars 7:09 Rubberbanding AI (Edmonton Oilers) 8:22 A nefarious plot (LA Kings) 9:40 A very bloody coup (Minnesota Wild) 10:51 Nashville Predators 11:50 Where are you 2019? (St. Louis Blues) 12:53 Shark bait (San Jose Sharks) 13:39 Seattle Kraken 14:27 Reverse jinx? (Vancouver Canucks) 15:30 Hoping for sevens (Vegas Golden Knights) 16:21 Perfetti and the Jets (Winnipeg Jets)

[@maxwelljohnson8972]

FYI: Tree the Kings are kind of back (At least in a small sample size after the all star break) Ridditch is our new starting goalie Talbot is looking better and PLD is actually playing hard. We've won 5/6 against tough competition.

[@justinnzamora5366]

This Jekyll-and-Hyde hockey from Seattle is really holding them back from competing in the West especially with the sharp decline in goal production. I miss those days when the Kraken won 9 in a row including that Winter Classic shutout from Joey Daccord.

[@ajc-ff5cm]

It’s just the endless mediocrity that is Seattle sports. They give you hope and expectations and they blow it.

[@J.C.130]

About time that both videos are now uploaded

[@Dibby0156]

15:14 Hey guess who choked and let 7 goals in Minnesota.

[@SoundFX09]

Tree, Your Music Selection with these Haters Guide to the NHL Season have been absolutely ON POINT! Appreciate the Coverage as I'm likely one of the few numbskulls who forgets to follow up on Hockey Because my butt is tired of Football and Can't wait for Baseball to come here soon enough. Keep Up the Amazing Work! Greetings from Braves and Former Thrashers Country!

[@leifopstad2972]

14:11 hey I was at that game!

[@samnuell864]

I hear that Ace Combat music at the beginning

[@SportsFan2001]

10:33 BALD BALD BALD BALD MY EYESSSS

[@tehbeernerd]

Whenever I see John Hynes I become like Susie from Curb Your Enthusiasm: angry and screaming loudly about that bald fuck. Yes, I remember his time in NJ, why do you ask

[@ChiefBlue4298]

Weirdly enough, the Blues caught fire since firing Craig Berube

[@johnnyroberts3761]

I find it kind of ironic, especially since he became the interim coach after they fired Mike Yeo- which led to them winning their first Stanley Cup.

[@tthomaselli2]

UrinatingTree- Great commentary around 12:27-12:31.

[@TheOverdriveGamer]

For Vancouver, I always assumed get the core a proper bottom 6 and 4 and they do good (not potential President trophy mind you) but they finally have a real 3rd line and bottom 4 in D. Miller, Petty and Hughes have always been good, especially Hughes who was second in points for D last year, it just finally took them to start winning for people to notice them.

[@LodestarLogado]

That last line had my stomach in knots Tree - you just had to say it 😂

[@MauriceBear]

For the Jets this year it has been a surprise, as for the attendance scare I’m glad it was a minor factor however they do need to not expensify the process for games. They do need to adapt like figure out what to do going forward to not make the same mistake twice.

[@BiafraRepublic]

Props to you Tree for showing my longtime VPN provider some love!

[@HarbingerOfBattle]

I like the Jets, but let's see if they can carry this into the playoffs.

[@wyattdrexler]

Canucks: look like one of the best teams in hockey Also Canucks: get TEN goals dropped on them the day this vid comes out (Wild scored 7 in the 3rd period alone).

[@oksharks358]

Can’t wait for the sharks segment 😐

[@UKenn78]

I was waiting for UTree to really eviscerate them, but he’s already telling us stuff that we already knew.

[@MultiZombine]

I love it how when Tree gets to the Sharks, he doesn't spend a minute on them

[@ppt9016]

Tree doing his usual excellent work, specifically NHL content, with Ace Combat Music? Triple Win!

[@iAmCyberwaste]

Can that discount in the opening ad be added to Matt Duchene's extension in Dallas?

[@slayermcrx7519]

I feel like Dallas is gonna extend Duchene after the season. he seems to be thriving in Dallas with the Seguin and Marchment line

[@iAmCyberwaste]

​@@slayermcrx7519 Long live the Himbo Line.

[@slayermcrx7519]

@@iAmCyberwaste i call them the Mustache Menaces

[@raineob4996]

Tree pretty much summed up Vancouver perfectly.

[@ajbolt7]

I've been looking forward to this Canucks segement for months. What an incredible season it's been

[@danielnuttall6964]

I just noticed he used the NFL on Fox piano injury music for the Blackhawks section. Nice touch

[@thebanty1531]

Utree using ace combat 4 music. A yinzer after my own heart

[@tthomaselli2]

Is that a variation of the 'NFL On FOX' playing around 4:38-5:18?... I can't tell.

[@NQProductions]

Man I've been trying my hardest to find that banger of a background music/track when you talk about Colorado, Dallas, and Edmonton. What is it?

[@showtimex31]

Love your hockey vids man

[@robertparker6280]

As a Yotes fan, hated the month of February, but other than that, they have been doing great! You can tell the team is getting better, and specially when we got a new Doan on the team. Now its all about the arena. 😓

[@regen21x14]

as a knights and jets fan, this year has been amazing lmao. sucks that they can't meet in the finals but hopefully they'll meet in the semi's

[@Sleeper_productions]

Finally someone talks about Dallas. Haven’t heard them mentioned on any podcast or show this year at all. Such a sleeper team in the west along with Winnipeg

[@yerroblige23]

I like the use of the Weapons Factory track from the Mario RPG soundtrack during the Predators segment.

[@matteoironborn7644]

You don’t know how long I’ve been waiting for this video to hear you praise Vancouver

[@LateNightTableCo]

HOLY SHIT WILD!!! Where was that this whole season?!? You mean you beat Vancouver 10-7 after the season you’ve had? And the season THEY’VE had? What is this league?!?

[@johnshields6852]

Great commentary and insight🇺🇸🏒🇨🇦

[@fraziermichaelj]

Mark Stone’s lacerated spleen sends its regards. Helloooo, LTIR!

[@ticcitobi4789]

Man I really need to start paying attention to Hockey

[@firepa498]

God I love the Ace Combat 04 music

[@MisfortuneDark]

As an Avalanche I feel like with how the team has been playing this season we’ll see 1 of 2 scenarios play out We’re either gonna be first round exits cause we’re injured to hell and back, Georgiev just isn’t the guy and we just don’t have the same depth as we did back in 2022, or Mackinnon and Rantanen are going to drag this team kicking and screaming to our 4th Stanley Cup in franchise history because those two are just THAT FUCKING GOOD Interested to see how this play out for sure

[@jimc7445]

I am leaning towards a first round exit for the AVS even with Mackinnon putting this team on his back. I am hoping they trade for a goalie by the deadline but I think it is unlikely. They really have no one they can offer and afford to lose. Georgiev will not win a cup for this team.

[@Joe_Ma99]

Could see them lose in the 2nd round as well. No matter how great Mackinnon and Rantanen are, it takes depth to win a cup. Especially in the net.

[@Joe_Ma99]

Not saying once you get to playoffs you can’t ride one goaltender all the way but if you play them into the ground before you get there, they won’t have the stamina to get thru a cup run.

[@Cha0sSkills]

The Ace Combat 4 music perked me up right away

[@ccamp26]

How does the 10-7 Canucks-Wild finish today affect your thoughts about both teams Tree?

[@jordannewman177]

It shouldn’t affect it at all. The wild are garbage and the only way they could beat the Canucks was with the refs doing all of the work for them in one of the single worst officiated games in nhl history.

[@ajbolt7]

Probably not much tbh, 8-7 is batshit insane but it ain’t like losing 9-1

[@mackielunkey2205]

⁠@@jordannewman177That and the Canucks admittedly took some bad penalties, but yeah, and it’s nothing you can’t bounce back from. And besides, it’s not like losing 9-3 to the goddamn Sabres.

[@Tr3ntsGames]

I will only remember pre all star break Av’s, post all star breaks Av’s, I don’t know them

[@minihulk4563]

Macklin Celebrini would look amazing in Teal, but I wont be surpsied if the Sharks tank their tank. They had a chance for the top pick last year, but decided that EK65's 100 pt season and going on a winning streak was more important. Happy to have Will Smith tho

[@timothyhills20]

I'm blaming you for the Coyotes 14 game collapse lmao

[@Lcngopher]

15:15 🤣🤣🤣😭😂

[@dw4867]

Could see the script writers giving San Jose Celebrini.

[@groundedfalcon]

Come back to Atlanta, Jets! We have a new arena waiting to be built!

[@merksmovies25]

As a vegas fan, happy to see brossoit doing well in Wpg. He did well for us in the playoffs up until he got injured.

[@AJwiththeAK]

God that AC4 Hangar music. Just took me waaaayyy back

[@personM4N]

Yes, I noticed the Ace Combat music during the ad, Tree.

[@marcus813]

The Jets' attendance dive was likely inevitable. Winnipeg's economy fell off and all but 15% of the Jets' season ticket base consists of personal accounts, which isn't sustainable. The other 6 Canadian franchises enjoy much stronger corporate support. I hope the modern iteration of the Jets won't have to relocate like the old Jets did.

[@digitalrailroader]

11:37 and Catch fire THEY DID with an 8 game winning streak (sadly Montreal broke that streak) and we are currently the sole owner of the Western Conference WC1 spot!

[@jeremyhubbard2908]

I like how UrinatingTree releases this video and praise about the Canucks on the same day the Canucks get gobsmacked by Minnesota 10 to 7. Hahahahahahaha

[@a17yearoldonyoutubeluigi]

The Oilers now have a new dilemma in front of them, they've won 16 straight and are back in a playoff spot after all but being the biggest disappointment of the year, now do they run with this momentum or quiver and die.

[@thestarlightalchemist7333]

So far they could be doing either-or. They're my home team, so of course I root for them, but it seems their biggest flaws from before the streak have come back even worse. It's gotten to the point that I'm half convinced Draisaitl has remained one of our top players by sheer luck.

[@slipperynodd578]

how long ago were these recorded? Cause Arizona is 0-9-1 in their last 10 and there is no mention of it, even last video I noticed some inconsitancies, he said Slafkovsky was struggling while Lafrienere was realising his potential, when they were only 1 point apart when it was uploaded. Stuff like that

[@neroameealucard945]

*watches part about the Wild* Wait a second... is that music from 1080 on N64?! Jeez dude

[@ZachAdams926]

MARIO RPG FACTORY MUSIC!!! WELL DONE TREE!!! And now back to the video.

[@MegaAce042]

Ace Combat 4 music in the beginning. Been a while since I've heard that before

[@Imsorryman]

Can you start including lists of music used?

[@InigoMontoya3]

Tree you should make a video of Minnesota Sports Misery. Spare us.

[@Midwestmo]

Fuck it start Gloria we need it. We're hot and playing good but to win it all we will need that passion.

[@shiixsu]

the west being so much better than the east this year makes me sad, I just want an easy route to a cup for my stars :(

[@FlitzSpitz]

My favorite thing about this video is that when you show a team in a free fall and show there WL games….. they are all like lost 12 of 14 and the Blackhawks are the 2 wins

[@cmac3530]

Man, Francouz can't catch a god damn break. Not many goalies have been in the league for 5 seasons, own a .919 lifetime sv% but, have only managed to play 73 games in those 5 seasons.

[@Johnnywiseify]

It would be nice if Tree did a video about court storming.

[@Jalreal]

@UrinatingTree ... What is the video game music during the Canucks segment? It is driving me crazy! It's a Genesis game (I think), just can't remember which!!

[@UrinatingTree]

X-Men 2 - Sentinel Complex

[@OpticLOLJKS16]

Damn, Tree was way nicer to the yotes than I thought he would be..

[@moonjelly5]

He tends to go easier on teams that are actively trying to rebuild. Rebuilds take time and are given the benefit of the doubt for a bit. He only really goes after these types of teams if they are catastrophically bad.

[@OpticLOLJKS16]

@@moonjelly5 i mean the yotes have been catastrophically bad as of late so I kinda thought he'd go in on them.

[@moonjelly5]

@@OpticLOLJKS16 I also think Tree feels genuinely bad for the fan base with the lack of any permanent home. Some teams are fun mock and some are just too sad to pick on.

[@OpticLOLJKS16]

@@moonjelly5 fair, I'm definitely in the boat of sad coyotes fans.

[@moonjelly5]

@@OpticLOLJKS16 I'm sorry and I hope it gets better. My Red Wings have been in that pit for a while, but are starting to finally see the light, though the dynasty did help ease rock bottom a bit. It looks like the Coyotes are progressing and starting to gain competence, which is all you can hope for.