The hidden cost of cheap meat exposed by Peter Singer

[@chinookvalley]

I'm old. When I was about 10 my dad took me to a slaughterhouse to see how the food we eat is "processed". Every child, and adult, should be mandated to see how ALL food is grown. Fields are poisoned with chemicals, animals are poisoned intentionally with pesticides and with the food they eat. If all people saw how our foods are grown and harvested MOST would want to see a change. "Nature is cruel, but we don't have to be". Temple Grandin Agribiz sucks.

[@Jacob-ed1bl]

I'm calling BS on this story, I grew up farming and ranching, and we weren't poisoning the fields or cattle. That being said, I don't agree with the way the animals are treated at the giant farm corporations. It is cruel.

[@felipeReisfelipereis]

I love meat

[@tomholroyd7519]

Person A: "You wouldn't eat meat if you had to kill it yourself!!" Person B: "You don't know me."

[@francescooppedisano2598]

We are curel, nature is fair

[@EazyE11]

Yet we somehow have doubled the lifespans of earlier humans who only ate organic food and less meat.

[@0ptimal]

One problem is overconsumption. Everything is excess. Greed has become the norm, we feel entitled to all the food/meat we want and it has dark consequences for the life that provides it. We have to move towards balance, moderation, expanded respect for life. To ignore therfore perpetuate the cultivation of suffering is fundamentally wrong, a dark hypocritical stain on societys character. Regardless how you feel about that the reality is that nature makes the rules, and greed fueled devastation comes w consequences. Constructs like compassion, empathy, good, they exist for a reason and represent a pull towards harmony, balance, ignoring that is like ignoring any law of nature, eventually it'll bite you in the azz.

[@kelkarpranav]

Indefensible position

[@Lickymaballs]

are you going to argue the same argument of plants such as vegetables or fruit or for grains such a wheat or rye. the greed is not so much on the person eating the food but on the rich who profit and end up throwing out the food at the grocery store because they charge too much.

[@TheSuperbadkneegrow]

@@Lickymaballspoo people are just as wasteful if not worse

[@blaqbastion1501]

@@TheSuperbadkneegrow how when wealth people consume more material and produce the squalor conditions of the poorest people and animals for profit

[@Loktoris]

​@@blaqbastion1501I think you'll find most people on YTube won't have this much comprehension of the world.

[@hooligansharma]

Just to be clear, Peter Singer argues for welfarism, that is the better treatment of animals, in this video and often in his work. He is not arguing for abolition of animal use, and that any form of speciecism is wrong. The latter is the clearer and logical moral argument.

[@NicoKupfer]

well put

[@ehudshapira2745]

Saying that any speciecism is wrong is an untenable position, isn't it? Where do you draw the line? Or do you mean that we should measure the degree of suffering, regardless of species, and if a certain species does not feel any suffering it is "fair game", so to speak?

[@NicoKupfer]

​@@ehudshapira2745 Saying it's wrong is not a stance or position, just a moral goal, like to not commit sins, or to always eat healthy. He's not saying "We are all equal, we are the same as a chicken". This is obviously false: we can read, talk, write, watch TikTok, etc. And between saving a human and saving a chicken, my opinion is clear. But saying "Because a chicken is a dumb animal, I don't have any consideration to their suffering" is morally wrong; to say "The taste of good bacon is more important than the suffering of such pig" is morally wrong; Singer of course argues for the opposite: "Because a chicken can suffer, we should do all we can to reduce that suffering"

[@LogicSpeaks]

Yes but it’s about hats possible at any given point in time. And it’s what’s realistic. This will change as time goes on. When lab grown meat is more available, it becomes easier to stop eating meat. I find that at the end of the day it will be technology and not human morals that will necessarily stop this cruel enterprise.

[@professorsilva9388]

Just to be clearer: he says in this video that you could "in theory" be "a conscientious meat eater", but in practice, that is used as an illusion you're doing nothing wrong. You can't know for sure whether animals are treated right, and they often aren't. He also emphasizes: "YOU DON`T NEED TO EAT MEAT." And if you think, there is no rational way to justify that. Humans have enough intelligence to search for alternatives and stop exploiting animals.

[@LeaD2000]

Congratulations for inviting Peter Singer to talk about such an important issue.

[@jackalbright4599]

Important issue? Bahahahaha!!! 😂🤣

[@joshchild]

This is more important than crime, racism, foreign wars, economic policies, woke poison, and more. Man I’m hungry just writing this comment. I’m gonna eat some cheap chicken from chipotle.

[@someguy2135]

@@jackalbright4599 Even if you ignore the cruelty of animal agriculture, the fact that it is the single biggest cause of deforestation, habitat loss, and biodiversity loss makes this an important issue. Not to mention the effect on climate change, water pollution, ocean dead zones, wasted natural resources like fresh water, increased antibiotic resistance, and zoonotic diseases, epidemics and pandemics. High meat consumption has led to an epidemic of obesity, increases of the most common chronic and deadly diseases, and shortened lifespans. That also happens to decrease productivity and inceases your health insurance. Ending animal ag would give us 30 years to phase out fossil fuels.

[@lunchbucket2494]

Clown 🤡 ​@@jackalbright4599

[@syntax_errot]

@someguy2135 it seems more like it's about your eco-anxiety, OCD, and missed psychiatrist appointment rather than an issue with @jackalbright4599

[@diyaeroastro]

Legendary Peter Singer talking about important issue thanks BI for inviting him. 🇮🇳

[@gnocchidokie]

As someone who has decided to follow a plant based diet for going on 5 years now, it's challenging to express my reasoning without being met with immediate defensiveness, so it's always been a challenge to express the full nuance. But for me I'm not against the eating of animal products at all, but I abhor the methods that are used to harvest it. We have such a disconnect with how our food is produced, because as kids food just magically appeared in front of us ready to eat - to my kid brain, food didn't come from plants and animals, it came from the grocery store or just appeared in the fridge one day. And I think for most adults they have a general understanding of food production, but have settled on it being a necessary evil to feed a planet full of people, and since the only alternative that ever gets any air time is "give up all the food you like," who would want to get on board with that? When in reality all it would take is for more people to eat a wider variety of foods and to find some more things they like that is satisfying, filling, and uses fewer animal products to lower demand and cool down the methods that are currently necessary to meet current demand. That's all. I found that going plant based introduced me to more options, rather than feeling restrictive. But I know it's not possible for everyone, nor is that my goal to accomplish. Whether or not you think chickens have sentience or feelings or a soul or whatever, it's still hard to watch a conveyor belt of them going endlessly by while their heads are cut off by a machine without thinking, hmm, maybe there could be a better way? And it's ok to feel that way. I hope that by me personally avoiding those foods it helps make up for someone who doesn't feel like they have a choice or can afford to do so. (And before I get any criticism, yes I take supplements and I probably have more vitamin B in my system than you do right now, don't worry about me)

[@SoulVision1111]

13 years Vegan for the Animals

[@SolaceEasy]

With plants the horrors increase. We've modified their genes so they can't live without us. Slave plants.

[@eifelitorn]

@@SoulVision1111 stop eating my food's food. Have a heart, eat a rock

[@SolaceEasy]

Please get off your overly high moral horse. Every time you bathe you kill millions of animals. There are components you need to consider such as necessity to survive and intention.

[@ianbryant]

I always found meat and the preparation of meat disgusting, and frightening considering the risk of food poisoning (tape worms, salmonella, etc). But I put up with it because I thought humans needed meat to be healthy. When I found out meat is actually killing us with saturated fat and isn't necessary for health my whole world changed.

[@asifchoudhuryca]

I am a lifelong meat-eater, and this video made the case for animal cruelty, so prevalent in the food industry, that it made me think twice about the meat and dairy I am consuming everyday.

[@gopackgo4036]

Just try only buying local chicken as your only meat, that’s what I do. Delicious too.

[@dystopiaeatsmoney]

⁠. Per day? Per week? Per month? How about never? Tasty is not relevant. Justifying our actions because it brings us pleasure is profoundly cynical.

[@desi-musk]

I go to my local chicken farm and see chickens in cages with barely any place to move. Also the shopkeeper gives them chemical foods and injections to grow faster. No wonder they never taste good anymore.

[@gopackgo4036]

@@dystopiaeatsmoney I agree, but I rarely eat local chicken and I know for a fact the chickens have lived a long and excellent life.First step in shutting down the factory farms is switching people to local raised,properly local raised.

[@gopackgo4036]

@@desi-musk well u arnt buying from the right person then, if the chickens arnt free to roam the field and eat bugs they dare doing something wrong.

[@fredericoamigo]

I’ve only read some of Singers papers, but never heard him speak. He truly is a great philosopher that expanded my horizon a great deal.

[@jonathanbailey1597]

The issue on meat is a good one, but Singer is not a good philosopher. His utilitarianism is profoundly misguided and frankly perverse on other matters.

[@tnatstrat7495]

​@jonathanbailey1597 I think the utilitarian approach is a useful angle on any issue even if only to provide an additional very clear perspective. You don't have to go with its conclusions, but following the like of thinking is useful. He is an excellent philosopher. Even more so that some of his positions make people uncomfortable.

[@jonathanbailey1597]

@@tnatstrat7495 Clarity is not a sufficiently helpful evaluative standard for a moral theory. Utilitarianism is a dangerous perspective. Bernard Williams was spot on.

[@jonathanbailey1597]

@@tnatstrat7495 No, Singer is not an excellent philosopher. He's just a well known philosopher. Actually, he's a really bad philosopher as it goes.

[@sweetmask2744]

He is just a vegan

[@karolkode]

I went Vegan 4 years ago. I've spend time educating myslef on nutrition, i've never been happier. healthier and stronger! Education is the key.

[@robertko5425]

Smart Move !!! Maybe have the fortune cookie before you eat ----> That wasn't chicken !!!

[@RanmaSyaoranSaotome]

Listen to how calmly and eloquently he delivers his message. That's likely why you've listened to what he had to say.

[@lupita3689]

As a big meat eater, I can see my mindset shift a little. Much more convincing messaging compared to the yelling and screaming types.

[@SpectralFire]

@@lupita3689 Yeah I love that about Singer. He's not judgmental, he's just explaining his own perspective and his logic.

[@tuckerbugeater]

You don't think some of his friends are creating bioweapons to kill animals and burning down slaughter houses? Open your eyes! SWINE FEVER!@@lupita3689

[@edmondott3748]

I have recently started questioning my meat consumption mainly due to the treatment of these animals. It is inhumane to force a being into such a tortured existence.

[@kennykuhns9843]

Better to run free and be chased by coyotes.

[@Silverspy97]

Thanks for opening my mind to a new perspective.

[@pc_814]

I am going to remember ‘Peter Singer‘. Loved the video, i hope we make policies so that animal don’t suffer

[@kariannecrysler640]

A whole lot of mass production & not much localized production. It’s like humans who live in similar conditions (over crowded, removed from nature, supplicated with created nourishment, etc)… are what they eat. Imagine that!

[@2HEX]

A true protector of those that can’t defend themselves ❤ thank you

[@EarthSTMichealFolks]

I'm from Ethiopia, my whole family fully vegan. We even own vegetarian restaurant. Come on guys, you can do it!!

[@mubizz80]

You can't explain this any better. I'm one person who cannot stand looking at how human beings torture animals and birds they pretend to love while they imprison them in terms of insufficient accomodations for the sake of ripping high revenue out of their miserable lives imposed on them by human greed.

[@robotplant5260]

Thank you for making this video. This topic deserves so much for attention 🙏

[@MaxSchity]

A real philosopher... I was starting to think they were all gone.

[@Jakeassimilate]

I've always cared about animals and believed they deserve basic respect. Yet for over 20 years, because of how I was raised and social conditioning, I bought and consumed products that cause horrendous suffering to animals and thought nothing of it. All while laughing and making fun of vegans for being different... Thankfully, when I was 22, I actually removed the blindfold and learned about the horrors of animal agriculture and made the decision to go vegan and it was the best decision I have ever made. If we don't need to harm animals to survive and be healthy, then we shouldn't be harming them at all. I strongly recommend that any meat-eaters watching this video ask themselves the following question: If you don't need to pay for animal cruelty, and animal cruelty is wrong, then why continue to pay for it?

[@Zar2244]

Great comment. I love being in line with my values against animal cruelty, and it's actually easy to cook plant based after you look into it, i stick to how I ate before, replacing meat with tofu or beans, legumes etc

[@pancakedrama]

Factory farming is really despicable. And the people in the future will surely look back on this as one of the most immoral behaviors we ever did.

[@sweetmask2744]

Not really. You speak from your perspective.

[@Chex_Mex]

​@@sweetmask2744what would you suggest then? Considering 70 billion chickens die each year, if there is ever a time where most people care about the suffering of animals, they'll see that and realize that this is 1000x Holocausts performed every year. We don't murder humans at nearly that rate, so I don't know how anything compares.

[@aboutjulian]

Strong, concise, perfect way to talk about the issue.

[@UCzDwella201]

Making things cheap is also morally indefensible. Mass production in all areas is what led to an increase in population, prosperity, longer life expectancy etc, all for the longevity of our brothers, sisters, sons, daughters mothers and fathers and our species as a whole.

[@inairby4freedom]

Thank You Mr. Singer

[@kraftemesser586]

I'm grateful Peter Singer is here to talk about this. I hope we will find ways to stop the suffering

[@SpencerBRandall]

I'd be interested to learn more about contemporary treatments of animals. I feel information is hidden as they are largely inaccessible. Why is there a lack of transparency? Could there be documentaries and studies of current farming? How has it changed and how could it be improved? Love all!

[@LeaD2000]

You can watch the documentary DOMINION for free here on youtube 😊

[@GizzyDillespee]

The industry doesn't want transparency because it's fairly harsh, to the animals and to the workers. However, you can find lots of investigative reports, documentaries, and more, if you're interested.

[@daanjmd4578]

Hey farmer here just look on the internet there’s plenty of reports and videos from people that work at farms most farmers treat their animals well, but the thing here is a citizen might want something to change but a consumer won’t they still go cheap and the farmers that went biological or tried higher welfare standards go bankrupt just search for some articles from the Netherlands “first 3 star welfare pig farm”

[@justynap5411]

I'm currently doing a course with Micheal Pollan called "Intentional Eating" on Masterclass which covers the exact topic and should be able to answer your questions but keep in mind it is behind pay wall and you have to buy a yearly Masterclass subscription first. I think you can do just this course for free in two weeks if someone you know has Masterclass and invites you for a trial two week period. I don't know a lot about this topic but I've learned a lot of things there so far.

[@thomasjohnson308]

@@LeaD2000 +1 for Dominion!

[@blakehelgoth5247]

You mean having a deep respect for nature rather than exploiting everything into oblivion? They're totally different world views. One works view thinks creation exists to benefit man the other thinks man exists to care for and cultivate creation. Unfortunately, those that hold to the first view also, or consequently, see no problem in steam rollering over the second group and forcing those that remain into servitude.

[@episode6691]

Both groups are stupid.

[@insekta1701]

When I turned 18, my first time voting was for an amendment to my state’s constitution for an animal welfare law that was to force pig farmers to provide stalls for every pig in which they could freely turn around and readjust themselves. I know that doesn’t end their suffering and slaughter. I was just trying to help the poor pigs alive then and the next generations to be able to have a more room. The amendment did pass and is still in force to this day, 30 years later.

[@GadgetsGearCoffee]

I'm nowhere near hippie dippie but as I got more spiritual in my life, beyond the chemical hormonal stuff, I am realizing how we're all connected, basically like Avatar (the blue people) movie and a lot of native cultures see the world. We understand how energy is more and more of a thing, like energy between 2 people, even the most rational person can understand how with some people you just get a good or bad vibe off. And with food, all the energy that is stored in that animal, the suffering, the emotions, it goes in their body, and then we eat that meat. And that can't be good for us. So even on a selfish level, it's something to think about. I don't want to stop eating meat but I am trying to reduce it, and consuming meat from markets where I talk to the butcher, get meat ethically grown and killed and pay for more, I have the financial means for it and I'm choosing to spend my money that way.

[@sweetmask2744]

I have reached higher plane of spirituality and the end point is, animal suffering will only bother you if you focus on it. It's psychological karma. A person who is oblivious to animal suffering but eats it face no karma. A person with strong psyche face no negatives. A baby has weak psyche and hence why we cover their eyes from horror. Make yourself strong or don't focus on it and ignore it. You will be good

[@jsblastoff]

🤣🤣 “not hippy dippy but everything is connected like avatar” I may never forget this comment. May the movie Avatar guide you to self realization 🙏👍🤣😎

[@GadgetsGearCoffee]

@@jsblastoff I mean it wasn't the one to guide me to that but it was a Hollywood representation that made sense. To remove ourselves from the equation of nature is silly

[@suzanne4174]

@@sweetmask2744 Choosing to ignore suffering is wrong, as is actively contributing to it with your money. So if you believe in karma you should make a change.

[@sweetmask2744]

@@suzanne4174 Its also wrong that you ignore suffering of plants and bugs? Its insignificant to you right?

[@RandyLahey22]

Thank you for posting this. It is one of the most important issues of our time

[@miracleugwuogo6833]

It's actually not

[@speckonaspeck]

Excellent video from a true thinker who walks the walk and stands up for his beliefs even if that requires more from himself.

[@SkyHighMelody]

Singer is the pragmatic vegan we need to represent us. We dont want to have crazed absolutist justice warriors representing us. We want Singer to sing our song for a better world

[@ReAn3x]

Good subject. Thanks for bringing it up!

[@JetsDuck]

Thanks for having Peter Singer on your channel--he's influenced me (and many others) tremendously.

[@UlkemHancar]

Well, I mean if you are a meat eater because you don’t know what is going on in slaughter houses, you have to be ashamed. However, if you are a meat eater and believe that animal experience is not worthy of attention, you have to be proud of yourself because that means you are consistent.

[@kaffir76]

1:00 “can they suffer”? I Loved this! ❤❤

[@ronen6283]

Amazing video. Thank you Peter singer

[@channel08]

This only applies to “developed” countries, and to some brands. I live in the country side of a Central American country, and I have been eating locally sourced foods my entire life. I highly doubt myself or other people in a similar situation have to worry the same way this guy does. Damn the last chicken I ate was called Lola

[@beyamoth]

I disagree. It doesn't matter where animals live, they all have a self preservation interest. No animal anywhere has an instinct to go towards pain and death.

[@angeronal]

I agree. In less developed countries, we are much closer to our food sources. I am accountable for eating one cow every 16 months that free-ranges in the mountains about seven kilometers from my house, and I fish for bonito, snapper, pargo, etc. My eggs come from my hens (no rooster) who are outside all day and voluntarily tuck into their coop at night to stay safe from predators. If I'm late coming out to close the coop, they get annoyed and start calling me 🤣.

[@kennykuhns9843]

Was that your last chicken?

[@channel08]

@@beyamoth mine is stronger

[@beyamoth]

@@channel08 that is irrelevant unless you have no other options.

[@sonnystop]

I agree with his overall point of better welfare for animals. It is cruel and wrong. The industry is only part of the problem, the culture of people is gluttony as well as a huge economic downfall. Without people knowing how food is processed to the fact 90% can’t afford higher prices shows this is more complex issue. What about partitioning land, mandatory classes taught in education about growing food.

[@thehardwareguy]

Eye opening and important. I will never go plant based but I do what I can. I recently moved to the countryside and have been eating meat sourced from local butchers who source their animals from local highly respect farmers. The quality of the meat and eggs are night and day when compared to what you can pick up at the supermarket. It costs me more money but ultimately it is higher quality and is better for my body. I always try to avoid supermarket food now. Everything I eat now grows in the ground or lived a high-quality life. I also quit dairy completely. My problem with plant based burgers and all these other alternatives is that they are Ultra-processed foods. To sell it, they need it to taste good... so what do they add? sugar. This solves one problem and causes another. Diabetes is the biggest epidepic ever in human history.

[@johnchesterfield9726]

Based on what you’ve said, if I am to take you at your word, you’re one of the rare individuals who might actually consume animal products who were reared in a much better way than industrially farmed animals. Most people who say they consume high-welfare animal products from local farms is often bull. A lot of them are from towns and cities, shop for their animal products at the supermarket, base these claims on the label, and the animal product often isn’t much more expensive than conventional animal products, if at all. So I’m actually more inclined to believe you, plus you don’t consume dairy. Dairy is pretty next to impossible to produce in a way that isn’t contrary to the welfare of cows, though I don’t know if your avoidance of dairy is for this reason or due to other personal reasons. I do commend you for this. With that being said, even if some local farms are better than industrial farms, I’d still be questioning whether there are welfare concerns. You can find footage here on KZbin uploaded by small local farmers themselves who demonstrate the practice of castrating and tail-docking pigs. They even had to wear ear muffs because their screams were so loud when they did it. So shopping at small local farms, although possibly better than industrial, is still not foolproof for guaranteeing no welfare issues. If you only visit such farms when they are open during visiting hours, you’re only seeing a small fraction of the farming process, and farmers will most likely clean up for visitors. How can you be sure they are upholding good standards at all times, including during closed hours? And do you know whether those animals are bought from sellers or bred on the farm? Are they being killed on the farm, or are they transported to slaughterhouses? I think these are important questions to ask.

[@johnchesterfield9726]

Also, I agree with your health claims about plant-based meats. However, these products weren’t really manufactured for the purpose of being healthy. They were manufactured to be a more ethical alternative to their meat counter-parts, which was often not healthy to begin with either, such as burgers and hotdogs. They were also manufactured to help aspiring vegetarians and vegans to transition. So it’s just an unhealthy but more ethical imitation of another unhealthy product that consumers were never consuming for health to begin with. A good burger and hotdog is just an occasional and tasty treat to have every now and then. Lastly, even though we can both agree that it is ethically better to treat animals better before killing them rather than to not, do you think it would be ethically better to not kill an animal and let them live rather than killing them at a fraction of their natural lifespan? If you consider it wrong to prematurely take life away from a human, what do you think would be the morally significant difference between a human and an animal that can justify killing one but not the other?

[@lauratanln]

I'm sure you will not get an answer to your questions from the ignorant or delusional lol.@@johnchesterfield9726

[@jsblastoff]

I’m whole food plant based for 8 years and never Have eaten an impossible burger. I don’t eat any of those processed foods. It’s really not that hard, but it does take some adjusting. 🙏☀️🌱

[@pathfinderwellcare]

Excellent video! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 I will share this with my students. We are discussing food systems and sustainablity.

[@fimanu]

We are ranchers in the big plains of South America, we herd cows on about 1200 acres of land. We have to ride horses to find the cows as they can move around looking for shade and water. On the day of slaughter they are shipped away, but until then, they eat grass, live in peace and roam around the plains. This is the case in many parts of the world, maybe not Europe...

[@jamesbond36969]

You destroy the Amazon to make space for your ranches. Then you kill the animals at the end. So don’t think for a second you are doing any good to these animals.

[@teeniequeenie8369]

No one should be eating tortured souls….dont eat any beings that you wouldn’t wanna take on their karma…GOD BLESS YOU SIR.

[@Functional_fitness_eltham]

So no plants either?

[@earthane]

Huh?

[@Functional_fitness_eltham]

Plants are alive.@@earthane

[@kennykuhns9843]

I don't eat the soul, just the meat.

[@jigme1221]

Thank you for the video. A comment just to support the channel

[@phumlanindlovu5653]

I’ve always wondered in recent years of the ethical ways of producing food and realise I’m in South Africa, nobody care about that except fill up their stomach because the inequality has become so distinct. But great points though, on the behind the scenes of the food we eat👌🏾💯

[@neanderthal40k]

Wonderful. I admire and appreciate BT for inviting such great minds who expose the veiled black backgrounds to us.....Kudos to you Prof. Singer...🥰😍🤩

[@versatile3373]

In my experience, ethically sourced products would cost me 4 times more. I am hoping to find a farm with better prices soon

[@tnatstrat7495]

Could just eat a lot less meat.

[@lauratanln]

How do you verify if animals are "ethically sourced" as they advertise? Animals are not products because humans are also animals.

[@BryanBeckford-b8j]

I love this video very educational. But don’t see this happening anytime soon in America

[@vichu000]

Beautiful thank you. I cannot imagine... Me standing in a cage all my life... Without being able to trunk around. Only one day to be freed.. So I could be killed. My heart breaks for these animals.. Even lions kill only when hungry and they can only eat meat. God pls give is more wisdom and a kinder heart.

[@DigitalEngine]

When AI becomes more intelligent than us, should it have no consideration for our suffering? At the very least, we need public votes on banning the worst factory farming practices in the states that still allow it. Does anyone know the best way to help make this happen?

[@rory5780]

Laws wont be put into measure until the majority abstain to it

[@NaveenKumar-xs5ie]

It's good to see Peter Singer

[@chelseashurmantine8153]

Been veg since I was 12, I have only felt my convictions grow.

[@ronen6283]

16 strong

[@kennykuhns9843]

All that land where your veggies grow used to be wild animals homes. They all died so you can feel better about not hurting animals.

[@villetakoo]

​@@kennykuhns9843 not true. Animal agriculture requires way more land compared to plant based foods. For example, animal ag is the leading cause of deforestation in Amazon. So now go and crawl back to your echo chambers and leave the real world for us the fix.

[@capybaraponque611]

nobody asked, bet you love to smell your own farts

[@ronen6283]

@@kennykuhns9843 dude. Do you know that 10x the amount of vegetation is needed to feed animals? Think about it this way. A cow eats 1000 meals of grain and provides us with 3 or 4 meals. If we just ate the grain, we would have way less of a need for the growing of that grain.

[@Manulajes]

I totally agree with everything he said, I've been thinking the same too! Thanks Big Think!

[@oeckstei]

100% grassfeed, antibiotic free, no gmo, free range and Pasteur raised are the ways to go.

[@lauratanln]

Please refer to the answer by @johnchesterfield9726

[@theclowninghasbegun3442]

Instead of large factory farms, there should be decentralized local farms like the old days

[@feliciavale4279]

This is the answer. Sustainable local farms are what I believe is best. Commercial factory farming is indeed horrible and not only that, the nutritional content of the food produced is horrible as well.

[@theclowninghasbegun3442]

@feliciavale4279 yes its such an easy solution, but it will harm the centralized entities, so they look for complicated solutions

[@surajpoudel3215]

can't feed with that model to the large population. We have to drastically reduce consumption of meat for that to happen.

[@Jahguaar]

Knowledge supports growth.

[@madhuridubey8723]

If someone is looking for vegan food , in India we have variety of options There is many people who are vegetarian in India

[@vladimirpopovic8136]

I raise heritage breeds of chickens and ducks, they all live freerange. Very happy birds and no health issues. Hybrid animals have health issues by default

[@diogo0b]

Reality is that meat consumption and need for cheaper meat is on the rise and will be for a long time. How to deal with that is the million dollar question.

[@sonkeschmidt2027]

That is something everyone can only answer for themselves. The future of humanity isn't decided by some people but rather all it us...

[@lauratanln]

There are over 80,000 edible plants to create healthier plant based foods to provide all nutrients required except vitamin B12 (which is supplemented to farmed animals by farmers). The variety of phytonutrients and fibre are very beneficial to our good gut bacteria which affects our immunity and mental health in many ways.

[@diogo0b]

@@sonkeschmidt2027 no it is not individually decide. In fact it is already decided. Industry decided it and all nations getting richer consume more meat, just look at data. We can look for evidence and think how to cope with it or be vegan and happy while the world around us burn.

[@diogo0b]

@@lauratanln good but no one - except a handful of people - care. All data sugests that meat products consumption will be on the rise for a long time still. How to deal with the pressure on ecosystems AND a growing population eager for meat should be a bigger concern.

[@lauratanln]

@@diogo0b 1. Just stop meat milk and egg advertising like tobacco companies are forced to, to cut down on brainwashing. 2. Most importantly, just allow activists to show the Truth of animal farming to the public with all the details to start reducing addictions.

[@seanneric]

“It’s difficult to get a person to understand something if their income depends on them not understanding” - So true and probably explains why a lot of people still choose to eat animal products.

[@kennykuhns9843]

Not really. We evolved to eat meat.

[@andjelabozic2317]

I eat it because it's delicious and fulfilling. Regardless of how much veggies you eat, you still need animal products.

[@jment34]

Lab grown meat is the answer an exact replica of the best grass feed free range animal. As we evolve we create better methods. It will eliminate animal cruelty and also less resources for feeding them and transporting. Eventually we will automate and make the labs on a large scale wich will bring down the price.

[@legi0naire]

That would eliminate the need for cows and chickens, making them zoo animals. Don't think we are anywhere near that.

[@IncreasedIQ]

Na lil bro

[@agullo997]

the issue is lab grown meat can be over processed that it will be dangerous for us to consume

[@BeachDrifter44]

Lab grown meat is not the answer. Free ranging animals is the answer and more people having chickens in their backyard. Look up Joel Salatin.

[@fossilfishleg9188]

Just eat plants.

[@tyul]

You can talk about it all day as long as society functions the way it does this will continue

[@herewegoagain6734]

My state started mandating this year that all chickens and eggs have to free range. If indoor farmed they require at least twice the current room to roam. Prices hiked up right away but have slowly started to come down.

[@jamesstrom6991]

have been buying only pastured eggs and beef for many years, and occasional rare pastured chicken. it costs about 10-30% more. pastured beef can be steep, but cheaper cuts are quite manageable if you know how to cook them. it’s criminal, though, the amount of animal suffering for such marginal difference in profit. like many other public policy issues in the US, big biz buys the laws and regs that maximize profit. and yes, in some places it’s almost impossible to get humane animal products.

[@James-ow4ms]

I don’t think eating ultra processed food is ever going to be a viable solution. If you can farm your own livestock, food quality is likely to be better and your family is getting nutrition dense food that supports health. It’s concerning seeing large corporations buy up farmlands it takes the ability for individuals to support themselves and their own communities. Laboratory grown meat is ever going to work from an economics standpoint.

[@Andrew_EvsW]

I am from Europe and I can agree that in some countries animals are still treated very badly without enough space feed too much , no sun, pain etc... just for the profit $

[@kennykuhns9843]

A lot of people are treated that way too.

[@lauratanln]

So go vegan. Do not support these multi billion dollar industries. Not being vegan means being an animal abuser through paying for it.

[@solids1451]

How do you expect animals to be treated without harm when Palestinian humans from babies to adults are being subjected to genocide by the same governments who treat animals this way?

[@UnrealSickness]

Eventhough I hate how animals are treated, I will never go back to being a vegan....such a miserable life, I was so weak! I'm strong ang scary and tough now, I like the respect I get and wouldn't trade it for anything

[@Zar2244]

​@@UnrealSicknessThat's just you, lots of us vegans are doing just fine lol

[@MLopezVoice]

You don’t have to be a vegetarian to agree that factory farming isn’t it. I hope this video gets more views

[@SheIsPotential]

I definitely do want to lean towards being vegan I’m gonna try to do some research and make this change ❤ I know it’s so sad for these animals just because we want to eat good.

[@teeniequeenie8369]

You don’t need to be as drastic as going vegan…simply vegetarian either ovo or lacto or ovo-lacto or just plant based but the more plants and the less meats the better…

[@rickvs222]

@@teeniequeenie8369 It is not drastic to make that change in light of what you could see in this video. While it looks a bit challenging, it soon becomes very easy. The hardest part that could be is if people around you are very unsupportive, social pressure.

[@lauratanln]

We are all fed animals because everyone went by "traditions" so we think of some animals as food while others are not. If we had vegan food from young, we wouldn't even stand the sight and smell of raw meat.

[@SheIsPotential]

@@lauratanln I know that’s right

[@SheIsPotential]

@@teeniequeenie8369 I’ll have a lot of research to do .

[@SoulVision1111]

13 years Vegan for the Animals My only regret , not going Vegan sooner

[@DonnMckeeCreations]

My food poops on your food, and I don’t need supplements to survive 😜

[@eliotness100]

Literally, this is food for thought. I never really looked at it. That way I mean it’s always been in the back of my mind that these animals are being treated in an inhumane way. It really makes me dig down deep inside of myself and think about should I begin to, turn away from eating meat products and become a vegetarian and only eat plant based meat products. This is something that’s gonna stick in my head and I have to make that decision because it is wrong for animals to be treated in this way. I love animals. I have two cats and a dog, and I love them and I would not want them to ever be mistreated.

[@suzanne4174]

Agreed. We gotta stick to your morals and not contribute to their suffering

[@kjerbusaig]

I'm happy to pay more for better quality meat, find a farm where I can buy it. But I'm not giving up meat for some 'plant-based' mysteriously produced alternatives with dozens ingredients produced in someone's lab.... sorry !

[@jessicahay9305]

I would be happy to pay more if I could afford to do so. But I can rarely afford meat at all the last couple years so I'm not likely making much of a dent.

[@Sohnoob]

then dont buy the plant-based meat alternatives. simple solution

[@awakenacres]

I went vegan 33 years ago after reading Animal Liberation.

[@kennykuhns9843]

You have eaten a lot of bug particles in your life.

[@Andykunjj]

If you think vegan food is not tasty then you don't know Indian food.

[@Oceansta]

Its not that we should eat animals. Its that we shoudl eat in moderation and that those animals need to live in decent conditions.

[@andrewnguyen5556]

Sound, logical, calm and concise points. This is how you convince people

[@who2u333]

Define 'cheap food'. Grocery prices in the US have increased 23.5% in that last 3 yrs. That is 23.7% higher than inflation during the same period. So, are the animals suffering for low cost food for the masses, or at the altar of corporate profit?

[@HAL-zl1lg]

Meat requires far more crops to produce than if we just ate the crops directly. The real cost is hidden with subsidies. Despite that, a plant-based diet with grains, lentils, beans and nuts is still cheaper. People only say it's more expensive because they compare whole foods to processed meat alternatives. If they were intellectually honest, they would compare whole food to whole food.

[@satnamo]

He who is noble will not kill living beings because every thing that lives is holy.

[@SolaceEasy]

You kill millions of animals every time you bathe. There are components of intention and necessity of survival to consider.

[@TheKingWhoWins]

Plants are alive

[@tuckerbugeater]

it's cool bro i'm hungry @@TheKingWhoWins

[@OrdinaryPersonah]

​@@TheKingWhoWinsplants are not sensitive to pain, suffering or trauma, animals are.

[@roisanggung951]

Learn biology kid ​@@OrdinaryPersonah

[@scoutwithoutclout]

If you want to solve this problem, you will not do it by appealing to emotion (such as from them perspective of the animals' suffering). Rather, you might accomplish that goal if you could paint it in terms of how it's not optimal for human consumption. I mean in the most basic sense, it seems possible or even intuitive that a healthy animal might produce healthier meat. The other aspect is generating cost-effective solutions. How do we have the healthiest meat possible, but at the lowest cost possible?

[@quidquopro1185]

Good and well informed take on the subject. I have reduced my meat consumption with about 80% after I tried lentils, they are amazing and literally work in anything! But still want to eat meat because it taste good and all the dishes from my childhood contain some kind of meat, looking forward for them to be able to grow real meat, because impossible meat in my opinion really taste awful!

[@JuneBugginTrucking]

I'm a Truck Driver, and I live in West Texas, Amarillo, in the Panhandle section of the country. I say this because where I live at is the beef capital of America. 9 times out of 10 if you like Ribeye steaks or Chuck Roast, more than likely, it came from this part of the country. With that being said, I can tell you from first hand experience, the thousands of cows that I see on a daily basis is out in the country. Walking freely, with open ponds for them to bath in and an abundance of hay. I’m just going to leave it at that.

[@wicomms]

But guess what even though you said that..... "They" are not going say we need companies to follow good farming practices. They are going to end up making the decision for us that we can't eat meat. Only the ones "they make".

[@_RezaTaheri]

Thank you!

[@Materia-Hunter]

Excellent video. More people need to watch and learn. Personally I stopped eating meat regularly, and chicken all together because of the cruelty to animal and humans.

[@kallolpaul8764]

Love animals. Love life...! Get rich...!

[@LogicSpeaks]

I think we should always evaluate the Morality of our actions but I believe that technology will save us and not personal human actions directly. It’s biodegradable packaging not recycling that will change our impact on the planet. It’s not human behavior because humans are incredibly flawed.

[@Creepzza]

I love this guy, may he be around long.

[@kennykuhns9843]

I would love to sit down with him over a steak dinner.

[@crowstar9069]

Consuming and nourishing oneself are not the same.

[@shannonpincombe8485]

Clever man making many good points. I wish that we, in Australia, had better animal welfare legislation. Unfortunately we essentialky have a suoermarket duopoly and these companies DO NOT CARE ABOUT ANYTHING BUT SHAREHOLDER PROFITS. Damn all else. PROFIT AT ANY COST!!

[@kennykuhns9843]

I understand you have kangaroo meat in your stores. I have never tried it. Is it good? I get lamb from Australia here in the United States but no kangaroo. I would like the try it sometime.

[@sandasoru6754]

We want to justify our actions so bad that we don’t even call the animals flesh/body parts by the true name. We call it “meat”, “hotdogs”, “burgers”, “steak” etc…aggressively eating carcass everyday has become an addiction.

[@Eric1396]

One of the most important topics of our time

[@JB-he1jt]

This should be shown in all schools. Animal Ag. class skipped all the horrible things that these animals go through...I wonder why?? 👈🤔🌱💚💪✌️

[@tonnykimutai4377]

As a vet in Kenya what is your take in the way we keep our animals considering you've talked of the rest of the world

[@JamesZaraza-wv3gt]

It’s nice to see a humanitarian argument that has been well researched. This is a fine adjunct to the spiritual argument. Beyond that is the world’s religions, which taken as a whole, paint kindness to animals as the highest good of the options available. And in some religions, this becomes a way of talking about God’s mercy..

[@TessA-es3if]

If i can't buy it from a local farm (meat and most vegetables/fruits), I don't eat it. Another thing we do is not eat meat every day. It might get served with dinner once a week. I know that local farms aren't an option for everyone, but for those who are able, it's worth the little bit extra. Also, not eating meat at every meal and every day will drop your grocery bill by 40% or more. It dropped ours significantly.

[@martinm.1528]

These conflicts of interest (income vs moral aspects of the business) can be applied to basically every industrie in modern capitalistic society and it's a very big problem and destroying many people's health and it's a syptom of a sick society. Humanity has to suffer because the CEOs of every company only care about maximizing proft before anything else. And if pafts of society find out about the unmoral and toxic aspects of an industrie they still won't change unless enough consumers (us) wake up and choose to change our way of thinking and consuming. They will even try to hide the damage their industrie has on our health (antibiotics in meat, mental health problems and addictive micro habits from social media use, cancer and many bad diseases from too much sugar (which is more addicting than some hard drugs btw.). I think a famous example is the tabacco industry that has hidden all the studies that showed how addicting their product is... Capitalism brings out the worst in people in certain industries. And aslong as the government does not care about the health of future generations an people don't wake up and adapt, things will stay the same. The conflict of interest (profit vs morals) can be applied to so many industries: -gaming industrie -big pharma -(animal) farming industries -> we have to buy expensive high quality meat or go vegan. -tabacco / drug industrie - Big Tech (social media designed to make us addicted and bad for our mental health) - Fashion Industrie (production in third world countries made by kids...) Ofcourse not everything is black and white. But thinking in extremes helps see the patters in this world. And my conclusion is: the system is the problem. And sadly only we the people can change it by changing our behaviour. Governments won't do nothing. Sorry for the rant...

[@Jacob-ed1bl]

You make valid arguments, but the fact is humans are living their best lives over all since humans exist worldwide. We're literally the safest, most prosperous time in human history. That doesn't mean things can't be better or your criticism isn't warranted.

[@martinm.1528]

@@Jacob-ed1bl Thanks for reminding me. I tend to only focus on the problems and the negative in the world, sometimes forgetting about all the accomplishments of humanity. But i still prefer to criticize what isn't good and point out what needs to change so maybe some readers will gain new insights / a different perspective leading to changes in a good direction.

[@Jacob-ed1bl]

@martinm.1528 I've been fortunate enough to travel to many countries and many places, so I'm very aware that suffering still exists for many, it's not lost on me but I do feel that people that are doing okay should really be appreciative. There's nothing wrong with wanting more or a better life, but I also think it's important to appreciate how good some of you have it compared to others. I really appreciate your response and pretty much agree with you.

[@val_solooo]

8:12 "it costs a bit more" 9:05 "a 100% percent more expensive" it is not "a bit more", and people should be aware of it when making decisions.

[@bxhfud-47844-fgbxgbxgfd]

thank you for inviting him! my purpose is going vegan as soon as possible and i hope I'll come back soon and update you 🙏🏻

[@BeergrYT]

I was with everything he said UNTIL he said we should eat the Impossible burger and cultured meat. The impossible burger is full of awful stuff that destroys your gut microbiome, the absolute WORST oils that no one should ever consume and what on Earth makes him think that the PEOPLE that would make cultured meat would do that ethically and not use the cheapest methods and "ingredients" possible. Nope nope nope, not a solution. I'd absolutely rather go back to the time where a steak was a special occasion treat and I am big steak person!

[@monopolimanufacturing]

cant ring the bell on this enough🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@pathfinderwellcare]

We really need to think about addressing overconsumption. Imagine people only eating meat once a week and how much would be shifted based upon that.