The HIDDEN GENIUS of Warhammer: The Old World

[@rrwholloway]

Simple, don't do live action Space Marines. Pick a 40K horror novel or short story and tell those stories. Keep them grounded, keep them human and have the Space Marines be what they should be to most of the Imperium, a sight they might see once in their short miserable life.

[@rrwholloway]

The Oubliette would make for a fantastic 4-5 episode run. Why be held to a single tv story arc when there are so many great short tales to tell? The Watcher in the Rain, The Way Out, The Deacon of Wounds are just a few great dark 40k horror stories to tell. I would use Black Mirror as a guide for the storytelling, it doesn’t have to have super duper planetary high stakes and my god, do not give in to fan service.

[@davidc8982]

I can see the point you are making. But the selling point for 40k is space marines. It would be easier to persuade a studio to make a film or series based around space marines despite being harder to make.

[@axel2741]

I would agree, since I think that holding back all of the massive battles and big characters would better show the scale of the setting. But since Henry Cavill is supposedly going to lead all the 40K fans to the promised land of warhammer tv shows, and he’s had the mindset of “why be an inquisitor when you can be a primarch”, I’m doubtful of not seeing any CGI primaris marines running about in every episode

[@rrwholloway]

@@davidc8982 sure, then it will fail. They might be awesome on the tabletop, but in narrative storytelling terms they take one-dimensional to a whole new level.

[@rrwholloway]

@@axel2741 sigh… I fear you are right.

[@solarus2120]

More Warhammer Fantasy? Yes please. 5th edition was "my edition" in the same way that 3rd was my edition of 40k.

[@Yurt_enthusiast7]

5th ed fantasy was awesome, probably the most iconic edition to me at least. Even though the ones after is good it's undeniable they slowly made warhammer less whacky and eclectic, ending in a boring slog of a cash grab that was 8th edition.

[@solarus2120]

I know, right? I'm a little disappointed that the army builder rules in TOW for chaos are the same as everyone else and not like they were in 5th where you picked a character and attached units, making little warbands

[@ObjectiveAnalysis]

5th edition fantasy and 3rd/4th 40K are the best tabletop war games ever made imo

[@martinjrgensen8234]

The reason for the legacy factions is quite corporate. The Old World and the AoS team each has their P&L sheets, so they are stuck in a fist fight over who gets to sell which miniature ranges. So the 6 legacy factions already have new AoS ranges, or are getting one soon.

[@zoso279]

Makes sense but I'm super bummed as a Skaven fan. Love a lot of the models for AoS and heard the rules are very fun but I absolutely hate the setting and lore so there's no way I'd ever play it unless someone dumped a fully built and painted army on my lap. I suppose it's a good thing that the High Elves and Empire are my other favorites so I can still use those.

[@Shaderaygun]

@@zoso279 What don't you like about the AoS setting and lore? I find usually a lot of people have a misconception of what the setting is actually like based off what haters have told them on the internet over how the setting actually is.

[@zoso279]

@@Shaderaygun I'll admit most of my knowledge is like you said simply second hand info from haters but I have seen some stuff that interested me a bit like the Idoneth Deep-kin. The biggest issue I have though is I'm not a fan of super high cosmic fantasy. Stuff like D&D and Pathfinder I dislike due to all these millions of realms and gods. Makes it feel like characters have less agency when there are infinite or near infinite realities and gods that can condone any type of behavior. Loved the Skaven because they are just completely rotten sob's skulking in the shadows and the Empire for being regular humans who don't have Sigmar and something like the Sigmarites next to them but still fight impossible odds with just faith, steel, and gunpowder. Bit rambly but besides the Idoneth another I liked the lore for were those ogers who are constantly perused by an endless frost. If I did get into AoS though it would definitely be Idoneth, Skaven, or Lumeneth. Got a friend who recently got into AoS when a friend gave him the Ork half of a starter set and he's only had positive things to say about the gameplay, painting and building the models, and the AoS community as a whole. Just feel torn since I'd like to try it out but it's just the lore holding me back and wanting to support Warhammer The Old World since I absolutely love the lore but missing my favorite faction.

[@matteotani1360]

​@@Shaderaygun AoS sucks

[@Vasily_Kotickovitch]

@@zoso279 If you look at Total War - that old fantasy is exceptionally high fantasy, where "ordinary people" are nothing under the feet of hordes of divine mammoths, snow bears and hordes of magical dinosaurs. And also “ordinary people” break into the Demon World to play all kinds of mini-games there.

[@ninjadan77]

I initially never got into fantasy because as a kid that got into the hobby through 40k there was only so much that my mum would buy for me. which is why it stung that on my return to the hobby as an adult i found out the fantasy army (tomb kings) that i always wanted was removed. So the fact that they are back and i no longer have to spend hundreds for a few units has made the child in me ecstatic

[@jlozano2615]

Building some Mantic Goblins as I watched this video. No way am I getting back into rank and flank at full GW prices.

[@Gaddafied23]

Mantic goblins are great!

[@bobachor]

Hell yea

[@keithsimpson2685]

Unless you wana do official tournies it is great to mix minis. Certain GW ones I love like the orc on drake and some of hte sigmar models based for TOW is great but also I got a ton of Ral Partha skeletons im using for vcounts.

[@PigeonCrash]

Haha! 3D printer goes BRRRR.

[@georgeratkowitz8023]

There are goofy and a bit beefy, fine warriors

[@frankkelly05]

I don’t mind the older minis for a mass combat game. I’ve painted hoard armies for AoS and it stops being fun with all the detail on newer models. Theres also a lot of old sculpts coming back that can get without paying eBay prices 😊

[@cristhianmlr]

* horde

[@Yurt_enthusiast7]

​@@cristhianmlrmaybe they're talking about a dragon army😆

[@cristhianmlr]

@@Yurt_enthusiast7 that's speciest

[@noblegalifreyan4551]

People are whining because they want something with newer detail but these people probably don't end up painting a lot of these high detailed models that ages sigmar has. If you look at all the chaff units in age of sigma they are pretty to look at but they are extremely detailed for what they would be. Having old peasant Bowman and a man at arms is great because they're still in plastic and they're not going to take 5hours to paint one model

[@gstellar96]

Never understood this point, just paint over the detail, no one is forcing you to get all the details a separate color, go heavy with the primer and you can wipe it all out if you want, and if it looks chunky well WHFB players will feel right at home

[@Archaeologyhat]

I feel, quite cynically, that the IP stuff is one of the reasons they're doing the Old World. Vermintide and Total Warhams have done very well compared to a lot of GW licensed games, even compared to 40k games and WFRP 4th Ed has done about as well as it is possible for a non-DnD TTRPG to do in the 2020s. By comparison Age of Sigmar has sort of struggled outside the arena of tabletop wargaming. I think, when they did the End Times there was a major underestimation of how it was the game of 8th Edition WHFB that people didn't like and not the IP of Warhammer Fantasy and the Old World is less a really serious attempt to make a 3rd mainline game and more a way to keep control and relevance on an IP that has proven that it is actually quite popular.

[@splat20]

It's crazy how well WFRP 4E has done considering its' dogshit corebook. They're already looking into a new edition and the 4E corebook came out in 2019.

[@Archaeologyhat]

@@splat20 book layout issues aside in my experience it's a fun system that is familiar feeling enough to sell to DnD players but different enough to be distinct.

[@OldenDemon]

I don't think it's necessarily cynical to want to profit off an IP you own. It certainly beats hording it and preventing anyone from using it. Of course you need to use it well, but that's another story.

[@andrewj1754]

By the looks of the new rules, I think they have final understood that 8th was the problem, by not having any horde units or steadfast units, and no crazy spells. At least that's what I could tell from the official Warhammer Battle Report on KZbin I watched a couple of days ago.

[@stephenjenkins7971]

Age of Sigmar is young, and it took WHFB some 30 years of failed games before Total War and Vermintide came out. Also 40k games have done relatively well for themselves. So I doubt that GW underestimated WHFB. After all, WHFB isn't really back; TOW is a side game like Horus Heresy and will not have the support that 40k or AoS has.

[@Grymbaldknight]

Honestly, it looks like it could be a solid win for GW. Fans old and new get to dive into the "glory days" of years gone by, and GW gets to flog old sculpts again with a 1000% profit margin. It may be a solid win-win. I think it really depends on how the initial sales figures are. I think that good sales will prompt more armies being brought out of retirement, which will mean more profits, and so on. However, once to profit train stalls, it probably won't get started again, especially early on. I have no interest in either Tomb Kings or Bretonnians, but I might pick up a box or two for conversion purposes just to give GW a pat on the back for bringing back a thing I like.

[@Mark-nh2hs]

I do love the old late 80s and 90s minis as that's was when I got into WHFB. The Empire (which I didn't collect) always looked good esp the Reiksguard heavy armoured foot knights - loved the look of those minis 😂. But one of my favs and I wish they do an updated version was the Original Keeper of Secrets with it's Bull head would love to see a updated version of thst classic miniature.

[@davidc8982]

I first got onto via sets of top trump style card sites they produced. Inside they had an advert pamphlet. Had all the models set up in battle scenes. Looked so amazing at the time.

[@Mark-nh2hs]

@@davidc8982 the Combat cards I remember those lol I had the Monster set. Yeah great times. Back at the start of 4th ed it was a fun time as you had the old miniatures and the new ones coming in. The armies were relatively small in size compared to the bloat it became and the competitive Meta players hadn't arrived to sap all the joy out of the game - they may of been a few but nothing like what happened through and post 6th edition.

[@davidc8982]

@@Mark-nh2hs I think I had monster set, an imperial 40k set i think. And then the red one whatever that was. I wonder how many people they got into the hobby

[@petercolson2990]

Wait, I don't remember writing this comment yesterday, and I don't remember being named @Mark-nh2hs for that matter!

[@madness9651]

You mean cow. The Bloodthirster was a bull. Because they constantly fuck with each other. The reason why Slaanesh is a cow is the same reason as to why Aaron built a golden calf. Because it has four nipples.

[@Mouseling216]

if you count Dogs of War - 18 factions in Warhammer

[@gitara2D]

Killing Warhammer and makeing everyone angry ... just to bring it back later. What a clever move from Games Workshop.

[@plaidpvcpipe3792]

8:40 I think that was actually one of the big problems with Warhammer Fantasy as a wargame. The setting was quite literally written for an RPG, not a wargame like AOS or 40k were.

[@EntropicEcho]

... Rogue Trader wa more an RPG than a wargame,.. the first edition of Warhammer was more a wargame with some RPG elements. ;)

[@DarthEnderX]

Sees thumbnail silhouette: "Oh hey! 4th edition Felix!"

[@ronitabick961]

More fantasy content please! I’d love to see some coverage of wfb 1-3

[@anvilofdoomminiatures]

More space marines!… wait, sorry… more Fantasy! Olden Demon is creeping up! Better start getting that hunk of metal ready.

[@TigersBlood23]

Dude. Your content is top tier. Keep it up, you are a giant in adolescence

[@eriksolie511]

More WFB coverage please! Love your vids, really takes me back to the days ofme yoof. Started playing at 3rd ed, but have 1st & 2nd as well (they were much cheaper to collect in 1989). I think GW has held back Dark Elves so that if TOW goes well, there's strong factions for "phase 2". Skaven as well. Remember, they're having production issues keeping up with all the new 40k, Epic, & Sigmarine stuff, so only so much production time can go to TOW.

[@AronFigaro]

Yeah I definitely think they have plans for a phase 2 rather than restricting the factions, given the overall popularity of Skaven and Vampire Counts.

[@paladinwiggles7896]

I'd love to see more WHFB stuff; I was not going to get into it, I was actually planning to maybe get into Kings of War this year (albeit at 10mm scale so I wouldn't even be helping mantic with their stock problem >.>) but then I found a great deal on The Old World core rules & Forces of Fantasy books (which give me rules for my own (dwarves) and all my friends armies (Bretonnia & High Elves... theres also a skaven player but they're getting a PDF). Along with seeing some rules previews and really liking what I was seeing I'm now getting back into TOW and starting an escalation league with my friend group in April.

[@juanf.o.4155]

5:53 Where can I find more information about this particular army?

[@markysgeeklab8783]

Funny, i find centerpiece models the most off-putting thing about AOS. Minis not macros

[@oitoitoi1]

There's an awfully long list of off-putting things about aos, the mostly awful centre piece sculpts (apart from the WFB remakes like Kroak and Bel'akor) are just one of them.

[@radiospace7071]

I’m my opinion the center pieces are the best models he has made

[@georgeratkowitz8023]

I think the centerpiece model concept is what they adopted from Warmahordes.

[@georgeratkowitz8023]

Also, there is a name for big miniatures coined by the WETA workshop while filming LOTR - Bigatures :)

[@dennismaddox3869]

So what was the genius part I feel like I watched the whole thing and didnt quite get what it was.

[@evangelosvasiliades1204]

Small note on a small part of the video, a Warhammer fantasy 'Baldurs Gate 3' *will* happen. We just got a (pretty darn good i might add) video game adaption of the 40k Rogue Trader system by Owlcat, the guys who had previously done the Pathfinder video games (wrath of the righteous also being a pretty good game.) I would be extremely surprised if they dont intend to next do a Warhammer fantasy roleplay video game.

[@Argroh]

makes me wonder if Owlcat might use the combat system and the like for Rogue Trader and make a sortof adaption of Warhammer Quest: Blackstone Fortress.

[@strabourne8064]

The pork pie stand at salute XD has me in stiches

[@mattgrandich3977]

I believe that GW can support about a dozen factions in TOW, they just don’t want sales split between races that have been ported over to AoS.

[@oitoitoi1]

it's the epic insecurity of the aos team, they know their game is garbage.

[@logiebear911]

@@oitoitoi1yeah sure okay dude

[@danspencer305]

Would love to see Warhammer Fantasy content - some battle reports from 4th/5th edition would be fantastic

[@windup13ird60]

Even as a new wargamer, Old World excites me, especially since I finally approached this hobby thanks to Vermintide 2. I think the biggest trouble that it has for me is that it is not only competing for my attention with a well received new edition of AoS, an excellent rank and flank already exists and it is Conquest: Last Argument of Kings. The sculpts there are pretty good, but more importantly seeing them do alternating activations instead of full turns has soured me on just about every GW ruleset. I worry Old World will exist in the middleground between these two other fantasy games, though I will likely find more players for it than Conquest.

[@nicholasdavis2129]

Never new how much I wanted a skaven assasins creed game until I watched this.

[@owenthomas5103]

I'd be supper hyped. If I didn't know I would be priced out from the start.

[@22bodach]

a lot of us dont want the massive centre pieces and stuff back most of us just want the fantasy world and all its characterful sculpts back. like i see younger generation a few complaining about skeletons and stuff. i actually want those daft skelly sculpts back. so i get that its dividing its fanbase a bit. i love fantasy but want it to remain more realistic and less far fetched like AoS.

[@oitoitoi1]

I think they got the message that what the community wanted was everything AoS is not; good storytelling, logical rules, a high skillcap wargame (not a videogame on the table like aos), a game that rewards tactics over stupid list building combos, a game that looks epic on the table, not a messy, disorganised mish mash of giant sculpts cluttering a tiny table. So far have to say I'm very happy with what they've delivered, although the "non supported factions" thing was very odd, and surprise surprise it's been forced by the talentless aos team.

[@BlackJackalGaming]

One of the best Warhammer channels around. This place needs more support!

[@Grits420]

Hit the nail on the head on so many points. Ill add one to center piece models. Making cannons less deadly and combining stats on monster mounts will help sell big models. Also with LotR running its coarse for various reasons and total war warhammer doing so well its time to switch there IP focus

[@anotherzingbo]

I am quite happy to leave rank and flank wargames as something I played in my youth, but I do have a fondness for the Warhammer world and it's interesting to watch the old-new game as it progresses from development and hype into reality.

[@ajsworkshop7986]

I was just pondering the other day how a lot of the Old World early promo stuff centered around Kislev and the it disappeared. It never dawned on me the scope of the game shrank as it developed!

[@Tzar-TZ]

i think GW have been taken a back by how popular WHTOW is. im all for it. as someone who still plays 8th, im ready to take up this new game

[@oitoitoi1]

Even a lot of aos players are saying "finally a real game is back"

[@chrism7395]

Felix and Gotrek, Drachenfels, Kal Jericho or Gaunt's Ghosts would all be far better for adaption to TV or film over Space Marines or Horus Heresy as they have characters that are easy to identify with if you're not familiar with the lore (the demographic that will determine if a new franchise is actually going to be successful and make money for the producers). IMO most people are going to find it an easier sell to empathise with a jobbing wannabe bard and disgraced human than an 8 foot tall brainwashed superhuman fanatic. Plus those franchises have far more scope for some much needed humour (albeit occasionally dark) to offset the grimdark which could turn a series into a slog if overdone.

[@brianwalsh1339]

As someone who only got into the fantasy setting around the time that the End Times was wrapping up (I think I found it around when End Times: Thanquol was released) and falling in love with the setting thanks to games like the Total War Warhammer series, I’m glad GW has brought it back. Now if only they’d support all the armies again…

[@chitzkoi]

(Leaning out of closet) Good video.

[@przemysawpietras8497]

😂

[@themilo1567]

I skipped out on Warhammer Old World, mostly due to being determined to get to my pile of shame this year, but between this and Epic I am curious how much GW's new approach to nostalgia is going to pay off. I also wonder how easy it's going to be to make a Warrior of Chaos army using exclusively age of Sigmar models and how much connection there is going to be between the two systems considering how hard they turned that off regarding 30k and 40k.

[@musicalcharge]

Very easy. I just rebased all my slaves to darkness as warriors of chaos. I tried to get into AoS, just couldn't. Really looking forward to some games of Warhammer. Not even gonna call it the old world.

[@m41282]

Considering a bunch of the AOS models like the marauders are ripped straight from the old warhammer with different bases I would assume it wouldnt be that hard. Also, you wouldn't need to really re-base from the circle bases if you used movement trays. There are a bunch of either 3rd party or 3d printed options available.

[@musicalcharge]

@@m41282 some models like chosen are on 40s in AoS and 30s in ToW, and the Knights are on 75 ovals vs 30x60. Plus I took a lot of the warcry bands and made them either mauraders or warriors depending.

[@themilo1567]

@@m41282 Yes, I was thinking about getting those. It seems like a decent solution. Might even do it for my Lizardmen.

[@ay2deet578]

I recently got into old world with some friends, I'm doing Dawi but all 3D prints from Highland Minatures, only official kit I've bought is the Gyros

[@freelancerblitz2579]

I have all my old fifth edition stuff stripped and in the middle of repair and yes, I’m painting them all multiple colours

[@noblegalifreyan4551]

As someone who didnt get a chance to play fantasy i am very much invested into olaying the old world. I hate the modern 40k rat race thats is full of cukt of the new people who only care about pretty bee plastics and are scared of metal. I dont mind the older kits because i never got a chance to have them and use them.

[@LSOP-]

Yes! Cover old fantasy battle reps from white dwarf!

[@lastakodo]

I love some old fantasy, I look forward to seeing more whilst I work on some bug hat chaos dwarfs

[@yrral720]

About a month ago I started playing total war warhammer 3. I was kind of sad that what I was learning of the world from that game was not the same of age of sigma, so finding out there semi reviving the old world makes me happy.

[@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t]

Honestly, while it's... different source material for a TV show than an existing book, the Enemy Within campaign from WHFRP has the potential to be a really good show outline.

[@Brickfrog427]

Thanks for the video! Nice! I think the most important thing to know about why certain armies and factions were relegated to, "Legacy," armies and not included in the core books is almost certainly because of the need to segregate product lines for corporate accounting reasons. How do you measure if a box is selling because of The Old World or Age of Sigmar? Do the different departments not want to step on each others toes? The logic might not make complete sense to us, but it's the most probable reason. This does mean that we can predict a few things. Out of the list of legacy factions, Vampires, Daemons and Lizardmen have corresponding Age of Sigmar factions that have refreshed their entire model range. Ogre Kingdoms and Skaven don't really have any refreshed models yet, but they have seen support in some Underworlds models, and the big rumour is that Skaven will be the big antagonist faction of the Age of Sigmar 4th edition launch box. But what about Dark Elves and Chaos Dwarfs? (Always Dwarfs, never Dwarves!) These two don't really have any corresponding AoS factions, with only a few lore and direct references in certain models. (Horns of HASHUT warband, Iron Golems warband has helmeted Chorf model, Hobgrot Slittaz are traders between Greenskins and Chorfs, so have Chorf currency on their banner and models, have sulphur grenades, yellow skin almost certainly because of sulphur exposure) So this is why a lot of people have predicted that Dark Elves and Chaos Dwarfs will get new factions in Age of Sigmar. The shadow realm of Ulgu and Dark Elves has been touched on very rarely, it feels super conspicuous in the way of real estate marked for future construction. My big question is whether they're going to keep the Malekith name, or stick with their new copyrightable name of Malerion. I hope the model looks great. Disney/Marvel also had their king of the Dark Elves named Malekith around the same time in the 80s, it mostly seems like a case of how we got two Dennis the Menace on two sides of the Atlantic ocean. But GW blinked first and backed down from the legal hit squad of the mouse, which is fair enough. Also it seems like GW may have had to inevitably make the decision of changing all their unit names to be Copyrightable unique spellings like Aelves and Duardin and Orruks. The Pathfinder RPG setting is also undergoing a similar gutting, they're paranoid about D&D going after them.

[@jonroads8281]

Oh I would love to see some of those old Warhammer battle reports played out again.

[@PigeonCrash]

I played during 8th Ed, and after having played other wargames I retroactively thought the game was shit. There were so many rules where I was frustrated with how they worked back in the day, and the factions were a complete unbalanced joke. Hearing that the rules-set was going to be based on "highlights" from the old system left me with no faith in ToW as a whole. I thought "sure, people will play it. But I won't be one of them". The result is that, well they completely nailed the rules I hated, and blew my expectations out of the water. And then on top of that they've made what I think is the best redition of the Dwarfs faction(my army) counting 4th to 8th Ed(I have all their armybooks). And even though Dwarfs have a trash win rate and the win rates are all over the place in general; The rules FEEL more fair than they did during 8th Ed. And the game being unbalanced but feeling fair is at the very least very FUN.

[@walmartian422]

1:58 behold the king of all roaches

[@bluemoonlunalla9747]

Thanks for the run through mate, good video and plenty to ponder on, and I think you nailed the points pretty well, and yes, it would be good to see you run through the Old World books

[@minihali]

2:20 You did not just call Lurpak for butter, THAT is the most controversial opinion in this video

[@cobaltowl4553]

I NEED a show where the focus is either gotrek and felix or they use them as relief episodes

[@ScruffyCrow]

I have old fantsy armies out the ears and If this means I might get some more games in with them im incrediably excited. If it fails, well at least I got the motivation to paint my old models for a few weeks.

[@fatrobin72]

For a tv film series... Gaunts Ghosts... it's just Sharpe in space.

[@giacomoromano8842]

I mean, Seraphons have Lord Kroak and various massive monsters, while Cities have Thalia, as well as Gryphons and dragons, i count those as centerpieces models.

[@WilhelmScreamer]

I am very interested in learning what GW is going to consider successful. They look to have been much more flexible on scale compared to the days of dreadfleet stock being destroyed in front of the employees that made it.

[@hogs0war]

More warhammer fantasy please. I am totally not biased on there being Dogs of War content either.

[@JJR_01]

It was great to see a more balanced / positive video on KZbin about Old World. Seems like there is a lot of negativity from some KZbinrs. I would love see more of you delving into Old World and the WHFB history.

[@oitoitoi1]

so many jumped on the aos bandwagon for easy views when it was new and now can feel the floor beneath them falling away.

[@aldaron1021]

I grew up reading Fantasy Books and a few years back I was looking to get into any Warhammer World but simply put I didn't find a single AoS army that I was like "YES, I want to start collecting and painting this army" and being a fantasy fan my brain cannot comprehend the word "Space" and orcs, elves or dwarves behind it so 40k was not for me as well. Anyway I was super excited about Old World because it is a classic fantasy setting that I am quite fond of. I believe there might be more people like me out there - those that don't have old miniatures but want to get into the hobby and when the two starter boxes were released it seemed like this product is not at all geared towards new people so you feel left out. I think it is quite obvious that they will release the armies in big boxes like "start collecting" box or the "combat patrol" box in 40k but as a new fan ( never bought a single GW mini) I am very much looking forward to getting the Orcs and Goblins box but if all there is in the box are old 20+ years old models GW will lose me as a client. It seems counter intuitive - you create such hype for the game, people expect Cities of Sigmar level of models and they get old and ugly models and the only reason behind this seems to milk nostalgia or so that older fans of the game can combine their older and new models together and have more coherent army?!? Maybe, I don't know. I believe the older fans of the game would also not mind new models. If all 9 armies are released with older models I think the discontent will be quite big and the game will flop which makes me very sad. I still have hope that at some point we might see Dark Elves and Chaos Dwarves. Anyway I am very much interested in the opinion of people who have the old models on the decisions of GW regarding Old World. Also I want to be clear that I have nothing against the older fans, I know nostalgia ( I am 38 myself) and I am sorry if this is unclear in my comment.

[@grahambandy6067]

I'm one of the "older" players here...only 17 still 😂....anyway, I have White Dwarf from issue 1 in some lovely original red folders. I played lots of games as a kid, and made loads of Airfix. Then, from the late 80s, I had the funds (same old story with GW!!) to purchase what I wanted from GW. I have 7 armies, and wish I'd got a few more!! A couple more have been lost sadly on a number of moves....😢 So...my wife plays Warhammer (using this word in its original form ie...the game of Warhammer IS fantasy), and she came late to the party. Over lockdown, I emptied the pile of shame (mostly the LOTR), and she started playing. She has now played from 4th to the 8th edition, and rotated all the armies, so she got a feel for each. Her thoughts? Well...I think this encapsulates the "nostalgia" for Oldhammer... She feels the "fun" and comedy has been gradually watered down, and looking at the new rules, she feels this continues. Daft punning names, fanatics, Doomwheels out of control, animosity, etc etc. That is her idea of fantasy. "Take animosity out and they just aren't Orcs and Gobbos" she said last night. She has decided that she wants to play 5/6th edition. I'll,probably introduce her to the Renaissance version. This she reckons is why she'll only have a few of the newer models and some made to order. She wants to play for fun, and have a laugh whilst playing. Me? Well... Hmmm...Ill support and learn the new game, but obviously we certainly ain't rebasing! Adapters will be the way forward.

[@Grimslath]

Hello! Always happy to give my opinion on Warhammer Fantasy. 😆 Games Workshop have actually been quite clever in their launch of Old World. We're getting some gloriously beautiful new character models but keeping the simple troops basic. I don't mind that they're older sculpts (tbh I would have preferred they re-release even older models! Haha). If you ever take the plunge and get an army for Old World you'll see what I mean when I say you definitely don't want to have to build and paint several full units worth of models as detailed as the Cities of Sigmar stuff. The older plastics they're releasing are really simple to build and pose, and quick to paint; exactly what you need for such a model intensive game as fantasy. The detail of each individual model is less important than the look of the unit as a whole. As I said above, the new characters are gorgeous and detailed enough to allow you to go the extra mile and give them the paint job they deserve. Rules wise, The Old World looks to me like the best version of fantasy we've ever had. Having said all that, I will admit that the old Orc sculpts are the one range I would have preferred they update... or even go back and release the older 3/4th Ed range that had so much more character. Anyway, I hope that as a new player you will give the game a go. I've seen a few KZbin videos where people have been really down on these "ugly, old, models", and then they've sat down and painted them, and seen why they work for TOW. 😊

[@matthewrbetts]

I just bashed out some fitted cupboards to make way for a micro hobby space at which I will assemble some fifteen year old sculpts at 2024 prices - the asbestos comment hit me right in the pleura. Brilliant content - please keep it up.

[@Highdog_Hobbies]

i feel one of the main reasons which u left out was the price of entry at the end of 8th needing such large blocks of units made the game extremely expensive to play for alot of people (especially here in aus).

[@markysgeeklab8783]

Bah, it's "cheap" on that side of the sea :)

[@Highdog_Hobbies]

@markysgeeklab8783 yea just your 1st born child and left leg 🦵 🤣

[@guillaumesoquet]

Great video mate, you earned a subscriber.

[@mikoajbielawny1661]

Great material! Anyway - buying starter set of greenskins in my local shop tomorrow :P Wish me luck!

[@jonathan2950]

😂 Loved the Mid-Winter Minis cameo 😂

[@blissfulbadger]

I agree with many of the things you said in this video. I was just disappointed not having Skaven in TOW. I already collect 3 of their games systems, so I'm okay not going to a 4th...

[@pavarottiaardvark3431]

If the first 40k TV series isn't a Inquisitorial Mystery or a Hive World Gang Fight, I dunno what they are doing...

[@richardharrison4762]

So I was rooting around my bits box to see if I had any old fantasy models… I have the Ice Queen and Karl Franz! I may build an army just to flex if she is out of print 😊

[@username12120]

Yes more WHFB, please!

[@DavidArcher_]

Selling out at launch doesn't really mean anything if you don't know how much stock there was to begin with. You could say the Yeomen sold out at launch despite their absurd price but if there were only 100 boxes of them available they're still not necessarily popular.

[@OldenDemon]

This is true

[@fabarbuck]

Im certain they made sure to not have overstock on this. It's a gamble and they can't afford overstock on something lile that. Now they have proven demand and can manufacture some more, with more understanding of how many will sell.

[@georgeratkowitz8023]

This is a really imortant fact most TOW influencers somehow forget to mention in their copium videos.

[@theylivewesleep.5139]

Your point about “well if you don’t wanna play in a tournament or doesn’t matter’ falls flat if any of the excluded factions get bad rules, because that’s all they’re getting.

[@bennconner1195]

I was hoping the orcs & goblins would get a multi part Center peace models like the tomb kinda & bretionians

[@NielsMulvad]

I got time this Saturday, so if you want to just spend a few hours or 20 then I am down to listening to ALL your ideas.

[@DecayedAndy]

im hoping for them to remake dogs of war stuff and i loved those mini's and my god the price on ebay for them is nuts

[@aaronbasham6554]

On the King's of War bit, the game store I go to gave away the rule books for Kings of War for free. And Vanguard. And Mars attacks. And the supplements for Kings of War. I was the only person who took any of them, and Vanguard was a signed hardcover copy.

[@martinjrgensen8234]

Mantics problem is that they look cheap, and was marketed as bargain basement warhammer. Their world is also cookie cutter boring.

[@aaronbasham6554]

@@martinjrgensen8234 I can conquer on look cheap. I have no idea how the hell they okayed having warped cannon barrels on the box art for the Dwarf Cannon, and then just...never got a different one.

[@Gaddafied23]

​@@martinjrgensen8234maybe 10 years ago, the new releases have been great

[@davidmckay335]

I really enjoy these videos 😊

[@euansmith3699]

I'm hooked! I want to find out what happens to Jane Doe?! Why is Jane's house so poorly maintained? Does she secretly live in my house? Am I the Ghost?! I wonder if Olden Hammer is planning on running a painting competition this year? If only Olden Hammer didn't play his cards so close to his chest. Thanks for another enjoyable video.

[@minimundus1712]

I love your vids man :)

[@OldenDemon]

Thanks

[@PreservationMage]

Yes, please do make more Warhammer Fantasy content 🙂

[@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber]

I have two sets of the galloper gun... I still need two

[@andrewj1754]

I have two, and 1 extra kitbashed one. I don't think I need any more.

[@CocoHutzpah]

I get the feeling that all the Old World stuff sold out fast on the GW site because they had 10 of each. Whether thats true or not doesn't matter much to me; I got my rulebook and most of my Lizardmen when they were slightly less expensive.

[@ToffeeDW]

More Warhammer Fantasy would be great. I really enjoy the system and the old models bring back a lot of nostalgia for me. Please if you could maybe create a video on the Gathering of Might large multiplayer battle in White Dwarf many years ago that would be even better. I'm really excited for Old World's release and I enjoyed this vid. Thanks!

[@catcadev]

I very much like the Old World. I'm a young guy and I'm buying in even though I don't have that nostalgia.

[@Arkygator]

6 months later, it is noticeably clear that they expected the Old World to not sell, since they prepared very little hype material for it. We had one novel and then not much more.

[@loweloking88]

Yes and everything is literally still out of stock. Within a few days, all the core sets were sold out. It’s August and half the Bretonnia models are still out of stock. They should’ve known it was going to sell being that Total Warhammer is a massively popular rts game and drew A TON of people to the series.

[@boneman-calciumenjoyer8290]

@@loweloking88 may I ask where you're from? I'm in central Europe and my local hobby stores are all rather well supplied with all you could need to build any of the available factions... except chaos trolls. No one has those.

[@m704kt733]

I would love to see more warhammer Fantasy content!

[@barneybeanus4007]

The age of sigmar novels help flesh out the world a lot some of them are really good

[@bigbloke2000]

(EDIT: twins(!) not child): Disappointed to see Midwinter Minis mentioned. Guy (the host of Midwinter Minis) abandoning his new born *twins* and then wife (and at the time co-presenter in Midwinter minis videos) for a new women -- and then bringing this new women into Midwinter mini videos -- seemed at the time, and still does, really quite shockingly poor behaviour.

[@jeancouscous]

did he ?

[@georgeratkowitz8023]

I need paparazzi to confirm this 😂😂😂

[@noodles2459]

I just want dark elf reprints

[@stonehorsegaming]

Evwn if it does failz we have the rules now, and they are very good rules. Talking of nostalgia, I was painting the last of my Space Hulk 2nd edition Genestealers while listening to this video. It is a very powerful drive.

[@christiansorensen7567]

As a fellow Historical Harry, I totallay share your fear of Warhammer getting the Amazon treatment and becoming drek.

[@mcole5780]

I’m shocked to hear bretonnia isn’t popular, I feel like they’re so cool.

[@PigeonCrash]

I think the idea of a cavalry faction of knights, where they strive to achieve true nobility and become superhuman, -is awesome. But I just can't get over how stupid I think their ornaments and heraldry looks.

[@johndethman3563]

I am excited for old world, that said I might not be that profitable. I will buy every book they print, but I will buy mostly from eBay. My army is 5th-7 metal HE. My OG are from all additions but the only thing I am planning is getting some more sqigs and perhaps a huge spider for gobo shaman gen.

[@3009534]

More superior-hammer please.

[@Mittens_Gaming]

I bought a bunch of warriors of chaos models, the new ones, and bases. I miss warhammer fantasy, but have no desire to buy 26 yearold models.

[@antigrav6004]

Still just going to say how happy i am to be able to buy tomb kings again. I wanted them when i was a teenager and 8th ed came out, but i couldn't afford it. Then they went oop

[@soddof7972]

Thats Felix that is

[@alastorcrowley69]

With everything out of stock, very little hype from GW, the 2 armies they focused on, it doesn’t feel like Games Workshop cares about this product. Which makes me really sad because I loved this game.

[@sackofpeas2470]

Yet the response has been massive across the board. GW's execs are definitely paying attention now, as the team working on and pushing for TOW have proven there is a demand for this.

[@Deliverygrot]

Im going to start a chaos army wish me luck

[@ChrisKCook]

It's not going to be Space Marines. It's going to be Eishorn.

[@SHDW-nf2ki]

As a mostly digital warhammer fan, I don't want more vermintides and WHTWs... Play the older Total War games, or L4D and you'll see immediately how short of the mark those GW tie in games actually are.

[@SorryAboutTheCarpet]

That porkpie comment got me...