The hidden meanings of Alice in Wonderland

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[@leighfoulkes7297]

My take from the books was that it was saying that kids are far more rational than adults are and adults live in obscene absurdities.

[@azsunburns]

Boom!❤

[@Hy-Brasil]

i got the same message. especially when you get to the "speak when spoken to" portion. Alice reasons that if everyone lived by that logic we would never speak to anyone ever again.

[@irishamerican4558]

The moral is you must overcome your fears if you want to live. Free that is.

[@Hy-Brasil]

it's time for everyone to reread this classic treasure. there are valuable life lessons to be learned - not to mention some humor that we could all appreciate. forget the movies and retellings, reimaginings and analyzations. just get a copy of both stories (get the audio if you're that lazy) just read it. read it with your kids. hell, read it to your cat and dog. they're sure to appreciate it too.

[@mrunning10]

Spot On.

[@davidjuson5608]

To understand the Alice books one just has to spend an academic year in Oxford. Back in the mid-1990s it took me four or five weeks to suspect I was living in Carol's head and a few hours re-reading Alice in Wonderland and Through The Looking Glass to confirm it. The Mad Hatter's tea party was unwittingly enacted on most evenings in the Oxford Union bar and ... so on. Charming place, but weird, very weird.

[@katherineg9396]

I tried to read "Alice" when I was 10 but it didn't make much sense and was actually kind of frightening. My Dad got me a copy of THE ANNOTATED ALICE by Martin Gardener. It explains the references in the book; 19th Century England is much different from modern America. That book opened the world of Alice to me, and it will to you too. I'm a huge Alice fan now and have memorized much of the poetry.

[@eldesgraciado6690]

Very helpful, thanks.

[@TheAlex8675309]

The long life of Alice’s story is due to her adventures and the characters she encountered being exact representations of daily life. The world is both nuts and nothing but a deck of cards in the end. When we awaken, we get it. May we all gyre and gimbel in the wabe !

[@amaliaantonopoulou2644]

very good explanation. Since I read that book when I was young I was impressed by the secret meanings mostly of science and the distorted space and time. Now that I have delved into the theory of relativity, I'm more astonished at how Caroll conceived this idea. There is also a scene in the book, where Alice meets the mad Hatter at the tea party. I think the rabbit offers her some tea placing it in a cup that has No bottom and the tea is lost to an unknown place after the liquid has passed through this hole that the cap has (instead of a bottom) that seems to me like a black hole. If you can identify the hidden meaning the story becomes more astonishing for the adults. Also, the twin couple reminds me of the twin paradox in special and general relativity.

[@thomasmcmullen4523]

Grin like a cheshire cat is the grin of someone that knows the secret of life and knows that most is so far cold that 9:53 they will never know true peace and or true love. All you can do is smile !😂

[@Transterra55]

Kafka’s novels were similar to Lewis Carroll’s novels not the other way around… Alice in Wonderland predates the Metamorphosis by 50 years .

[@elliottgussow9555]

In the picture of the queen holding a baby, that is not the queen. It's the duchess.

[@LairdKenneth]

I have seen the Cheshire Cat, and you can too, if you keep a careful out for him. I have to confess it has only been in winter. But there was that big Cheshire grin there in a tree. Maybe it was the lack of leaves that helped, but winter is fast approaching and I hope to see him again, soon.

[@tanshihus1]

You might want to get that checked. There is an optical hallucination that does resemble the Cheshire Cat's grin. It is called a scintillating scotoma.

[@danielle_0824]

@@tanshihus1Wait really? The human mind is fascinating.

[@tanshihus1]

@@danielle_0824 Sure is. There is one person who claims that Lewis Carroll suffered with migraines. The Aura which accompanies these might have been the basis for the Alice in Wonderland stories.

[@pablomagister1644]

Very captivating explanation, so different from the Spanish literature, I would say Spanish literature generally speaking has a nore critical approach. Thanks artforintrovert 🙏

[@lisaheimbigner5481]

Absolutely fantastic story & reader' voice is clear, articulate and warm same time, easy on ear,i listen to ever worx😊very interesting 🤔 & thought stirring,more people need to find this 👍

[@judewarner1536]

As a lifetime reader of all things scientific and an avid reader of Fantasy and SF from the age of nine, I am unconvinced by the supposed future science parallels in this video. Most of the characters and their personalities are firmly grounded in historical and Carrol's contemporary knowledge. I could be wrong, but I don't recall a bottomless tea up, for example.

[@natterlynabob1472]

Carrol´s fantasies are grounded in puns and logic. His books were read by every American child in the 1960s. They sparked my lifetime interest in logic and political parody, but I was cautioned that entitled Brits find it offensive. It is totally unacceptable for a commoner to apply logic to the actions of their superiors. As an American, I found this hard to believe. Then in my 60s I was stranded in London for a couple of weeks. An MI6 agent met me and specifically mentioned Alice in Wonderland before asking me to leave Britain and never come back. I don't know what happened to Britain, but the empire has fallen badly. Thin skinned whiny children have replaced greater men of a bygone era. Also, there was no bottomless teacup.

[@judewarner1536]

@natterlynabob1472 I follow a number of KZbin news channels from various parts of the world and look, in vain, for a statesman (or woman) anywhere. Politics everywhere is a mess. The Conservative PM of the UK is an ethnic Indian and millionaire, but he is too socialist for the Tory grandees and they are trying to oust him before the general election. They have no obvious replacement. Everywhere else, politics is moving inexorably to the right, except in the USA, where the choice is between a narcissistic, would-be dictator and a geriatric who's channeling FDR. Politics in the US is more fractured, more vitriolic than I've ever known it, and the GOP has become anathematic to its founder, being wagged by a delusional MAGA tail. The Democrats under Biden are trying to reverse 40 years of increasing oligarchy and beginning to approach the start of a gentle introduction to 21st century government for the people instead of a government for the corporate wealthy. Biden is only a figurehead: like the fictional President of "The West Wing", he has an excellent team who do all the legwork. Good luck in 2024.

[@garywheeler7039]

I saw an article years ago that argued that part of Carrol's story has to do with the developing area of math involving such things as irrational numbers. And Carrol was a more traditional mathematician.

[@alice86142]

I think that anyone who reads a book, watches a film, looks at a piece of art, or whatever, will always draw their own conclusion from it. No one should ever be able to say what something means for anyone else.

[@jeremyashford2145]

“...similar to Franz Kafka’s novel...” is a contrariwise perspective to adopt as Carroll died while Kafka was still a teenager.

[@LarryParamedic1]

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[@ErsatzMcGuffin]

Very Good! Thank You

[@Eatmorepaper]

The changing in size is a reference to amanita muscaria mushrooms, that distort a users sense of size in themselves and the world around them, thus why the caterpillar says the mushroom of course, when Alice asks how to get bigger

[@TheFith67]

IMO: Lewis Carroll wrote about complex maths in the same way as the writers of the Bible. Alice enters 'Wonderland' through the micro & macro. This is what we find when zooming into the quantum realm, and zooming from the universe. 'Actuality' becomes 'potentiality, when not 'normal size'. Everything runs like clockwork at 'normal' size, yet we can not predict anything at the quantum nor Universe 'size'.

[@judyives1832]

Nonsense. The Bible had nothing to do with quantum physics. People are just twisting it to fit their new religion, Christianity plus an attempt to twist science to create a weird hybrid.

[@mrunning10]

HORSESHIT. IMO: you know nothing about Dodgson, Alice, their interaction, or why he wrote the story.

[@mudball220]

I have been told that the Cheshire Cat comes from the flag for the county of Cheshire. This has a leopard with disproportionately long jaws, hence the long smile in the book.

[@cinemaipswich4636]

When you look at Peter Pan, you will realise he is a wicked boy to steals people's dreams. All for the daring-do of adventure against Captain Hook. But when you read what Hook says, you will realise he just wants to stop it and for Peter to pay for his works.

[@Hy-Brasil]

did you look at it or did you actually read it?

[@veramae4098]

The children and Dodgson wrote in letters and diaries it had been a perfect day. Sunny, warm, a little breeze, smooth water as he rowed them around a pond. Someone finally checked the weather records. In fact, it had been a typical English day, partly overcast, chilly, an invasive breeze, and choppy water on the pond. Such is the power of enchantment. I'm a retired librarian and heard this from a man who'd seen the manuscript and talked to people. Sorry, I can't name the source. Just the story remains.

[@katherineg9396]

There is a note by Martin Gardner in The Annotated Alice that discusses the weather that day.

[@michaelcase8574]

My favorite Alice in Wonderland film, was directed by Jonathon Miller. With Peter Sellers and Peter Cooke in rather minor roles. Very imaginative!

[@raynarks]

Read the book.

[@michaelcase8574]

@raynarks I have...all of them.

[@raynarks]

@@michaelcase8574 more imaginative than any film.

[@michaelcase8574]

@@raynarks Theatre of the mind.

[@benjaminchartier6458]

Alice in wonderland infuenced the Matrix sci-fi films,especially the red pill and black pill. This also influenced the song,"White Rabbit" by Jefferson Airplane

[@jimihendrix991]

...you have obviously NEVER watched the 'Matrix'... there is NO 'black pill'

[@parrotraiser6541]

There arencertainly a lot of mathematical and philosophical concepts buried in the text. Martin Gardner's "Annotated Alice" explains them. An interview filmed late in Alice Liddell's life does contain some hints that Dodgson's interest in young girls was a little creepy, but he probably didn't act expressed physically.

[@regor2102]

Why do we keep liking this story you say? It's because we keep going down the rabbit hole, that or through the looking glass. We can't help it, it's human nature, what can't help ourselves.

[@timothytikker1147]

Christine Ann Lawson's book _Understanding the Borderline Mother_ puts forth the theory that Carrol's books present symbols of the behaviors of those with Borderline Personality Disorder. She says that, when Carroll was asked what these books were about, he answered "misery."

[@benjaminchartier6458]

The Queen of hearts was certainly Borderline

[@timothytikker1147]

@@benjaminchartier6458 exactly!

[@Branzo29]

Much Obliged +Mahalo;)

[@nancyborusiewich4821]

Canadian author Margaret Atwood references (Negotiating with the Dead) the Euclidian plane (Dodgson was a mathematician) of Alice's looking glass as a kind of boundary between the "real" world of the creative artist and his/her created world, the work of art, the "fiction"; other such planes appear elsewhere in her work. e.g. sheets of paper, bed-sheets, other bedclothes (quilts). See also her first novel, The Edible Woman, which is a classic Künstlerroman, in which her protagonist, Marian McAlpin trudges a snowy Don Valley poets' path, following Duncan (Virgil to her Dante), who follows Robert Frost ("The ravine is narrow here and steep" compare to "The woods are lovely, dark and deep" [apopologies to the comma counters amongst you]), who follows Dante ("Between the woods and frozen lake") who is famously guided by Virgil, whose Aeneid follows Homer's Odyssey, etc. Atwood creates a woman in the shape of a novel, about a woman who creates a woman in the shape of a cake. Both literature (food for thought) and delicious works of culinary art are spurned by the dull, those without appetite (e.g. fiancée Peter), but are devoured voraciously by the hungry.

[@edwardgabel3701]

Wonder-ful!

[@allyburg7145]

Why do we have to have secret meanings to everything , just enjoy the story.

[@vampierv]

because that’s how good books or movies are made, all of them

[@JesseBrown-qf6zp]

”Friendly feelings.”

[@martincohen8991]

Read "The Annotated Alice" by Martin Gardner for a detailed explanation of Carroll's references and "Lewis Carroll in Numberland" by Robin Wilson for a discussion of his actual mathematical work.

[@suneethamay3615]

Jefferson used all these proverbs and idioms for me Like wise Alice in wonderland, rabbit hole, etc Although l never read that book.And never told me where he quoting from.

[@smthB4]

I think that Alice fell with uniformly increasing SPEED, which is acceleration, not increasing acceleration?

[@quimicoz]

Alice is filled with mathematical logic. Take the "Mock Turtle" for instance. Back in 1860's, the "mock turtle soup" was a popular dish. It was actually a soup of cow's organs prepared to simulate a true turtle soup. Taking "soup" a function of an animal, Carrol INVERTED the function and applied to the "mock turtle soup", obtaining a strange animal looking like a cow disguised as a turtle.

[@mayanlogos92]

Sadly i read just the 2nd book & not in its original language... now on my bucketlist it shall go...

[@JohnMoseley]

7:28 That's not the Queen of Hearts, it's the Duchess! Nice video other than that.

[@pdxdogg6891]

There is a disorder called "Alice in wonderland". There is some thought that he suffered from it.

[@skullmothstudios713]

That was dryer then the mouses lecture

[@oprrrah3498]

Opinions will vary on just about everything.

[@cushyglen4264]

As a child I found the book disturbing. It’s a subversive book. 😊

[@katherineg9396]

It's hard for Americans to understand because of so many English things in it. Read THE ANNOTATED ALICE, it explains everything. Carroll does turn things upside down, but in an amusing way, not a bad way.

[@Samp759]

@@katherineg9396I’m not so sure about that. With context, anyone could figure out the references, even a child. It just affects some people differently. I found the book hilarious and whimsical, but that doesn’t mean that another child couldn’t have a completely different perspective on it.

[@HenryCasillas]

🌻

[@dudeonyoutube]

Who is the girl in the thumbnail? I have seen her before.

[@kevinmhadley]

I am not a particular fan of Alice in Wonderland. It is a quirky story and entertaining but not cup of tea as they say. Some years ago, while attending school for architecture, there was a required design project based on Carrol’s story. I didn’t do well as I never really got the point of the exercise.

[@andersdottir1111]

A bridge with a ‘catenary support’ looks like a Cheshire Cat smile. Carrol put a lot of these word plays in Alice.

[@Georgia-Vic]

Don't forget the song by Jefferson Airplane, "White Rabbit!" 😏

[@hastalasopasequemo3645]

Alice went to agartha….. this common knoelege

[@lulukazhila6309]

I had the exact same thoughts. It took a long while to reach this conclusion.

[@hastalasopasequemo3645]

@@lulukazhila6309 glad to see others r openning up their -1nth eye….. theres more bites in the cookie

[@elinope4745]

Modern day monsters demonized his love.

[@anonimniprofil3816]

Even as a kid I understood this book is about drugs.

[@jasonh.8754]

Just like Book of Revelations in the Bible. EDIT: That's why it doesn't make much sense.

[@amycantwell8715]

Correct

[@TheCandiceWang]

​@@jasonh.8754it isn't. Neither is AAIW.

[@jasonh.8754]

@@TheCandiceWang Revelations could only have been written by somebody in a state of psychosis/hallucination/drunkeness. A sober, sane person could not be expected to write such a thing.

[@christopherdunne4048]

@@jasonh.8754 That's a lack of imagination on your part. I assure you that some of us are capable of vivid ideas without drugs, fasting, herbs or wine.

[@user-btmbangalore]

Fondness for life sometimes comes from distorting it, there is an art in its destruction, a wild imagination can explain a tragedy better, our tragedy sometimes is bigger for we never had the means to rewrite it in a world of alternatives.

[@clincpb8903]

Nonsense.

[@stephenvanwoert2447]

This is beside the point, but the girl in the thumbnail, holding the rabbit, looks remarkably like Björn Andrésen ("the most beautiful boy in the world") at 15, in the face and with that generous head of hair. It is a plain and flawless kind of beauty. Is she connected with this video somehow?

[@katherineg9396]

She is the actress who plays Alice in a modern remake of the book. Johnny Depp is the mad hatter.

[@stephenvanwoert2447]

@@katherineg9396 Thanks for the answer.

[@DannyBhoy88]

Hatter is an anagram ot threat.

[@katherineg9396]

Was that Carroll's intention?

[@eudaenomic]

What was the "deal" with the daughters? Why did they need to keep the secret of what went on during the trips down the river for picnics. The letters between the daughters bring many questions and then there was the issue of the photos.

[@Samp759]

They didn’t keep the events secret. That’s why we know about what happened. Also, Dodgson always had a chaperone with him and the sisters.

[@skitzeefairy4593]

7:53 that's the Duchess, not the Queen. :p

[@skitzeefairy4593]

8:43 that's the White Queen, not the Red.

[@rogerc7960]

The moral of the story is its better to be liked than feared. It's the philosophy of Jesus.

[@juanamora9513]

Unfortunately these authors arent around so they could be interviewed and asked to explain the meaning of their crazy books!!!

[@clarisinschallah5106]

I believe there is no deep or a hidden meaning cuz " Alice in wonderland " is the very first birth of the nonsense meaningless art. The oddness , the randomness 💈✨ it's the Muchness of nothingness

[@mrunning10]

Spot On.

[@MrJDOaktown]

This was a great video right up until he suggests scientific predictions. Such nonsense.

[@prschuster]

Yes, it was the opposite. The subsequent science was referencing Alice in Wonderland, after the fact, and not the other way around.

[@pedrolopez8057]

ANticipated the development of math? I bailed out right then and there. Not worth the view

[@wayneday3116]

One only has to listen to the irrational pronouncements of today's highly educated 'woke' elites to know that Caroll's Wonderland was amazingly prophetic.

[@debbylou5729]

I love how they dance around how many pedo vibes this gives

[@InfoArtistJKatTheGoodInfoCafe]

Cool video but Lewis Carroll's books are not quoted almost as much as the Bible. The Bible is the greatest selling, most attacked and most quoted book in human history by far. Nothing comes close

[@keithbird8910]

Talk about over analysed! lol

[@josefinajaime4550]

Fiendly feelings? Between a little girl and a adult? No way

[@skinheadjon901]

I was brought up being taught Lewis Carroll was a kiddy fiddler!!!! 🤔😡👎

[@Samp759]

You were brought up on lies. There’s no proof of that.

[@debbylou5729]

Another weird voice

[@charlesmcclure1436]

This is an esoteric work. It is about the world of mind and consciousness that is nonsensical in the outside world of the times, but on the inside world of sol, our personal paradigm unique to each our own personal experiences where it is a blending of real and unreal, seen and unseen, mundane and profound is where the Gnosis makes sense at a personal level. The depths feed the heights. And with the year of the Blue/Black water rabbit coming to a close... the many who did stare down the hole found it staring back. 🎭🪞🍄