The Potential of the Human Brain (ft. Iain McGilchrist)

[@TheoriesofEverything]

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[@AquarianSoulTimeTraveler]

2:20 yes the spiral is quite amazing and it is an intricate part of our system one thing this reminds me of is the gyroscopic effect of spinning up a heavyweight on a shaft once it gets spinning it can be easily lifted in a spiral and it's weight is dissipated... You can look up Eric laithwaite who created this experiment.

[@AquarianSoulTimeTraveler]

The right brain is total trash if it is not balanced with the left brain...

[@AquarianSoulTimeTraveler]

Whereas the left brain can stand alone on its own if one knows how to flow subconscious... (Like me)

[@AquarianSoulTimeTraveler]

We are all one in the Kaleidoscope reality illusion world... ♾️💜💚💯

[@AquarianSoulTimeTraveler]

I don't understand why you can't love yourself and love everything... If you can't love yourself then you can love nothing because you are everything.

[@hglatGAIA]

"I need to be in this world more" said Curt at one point. That is absolutely the point of everything and I have had difficulty too in embodying myself in this life. Loved this whole intelligent and vibrant discussion, thank you both immensely for your time.

[@fineasfrog]

"'That' (I need to be in this world more) is absolutely the point of everything and I have had difficult too in embodying myself in this life." Yes, this is the point. And yes it is difficult to embody ourselves in this life. To learn to fully inhabit the body may be the most difficult task one can take on in this life. As the first practical approach this involves learning to sense the body as a whole. This type of receptive sensing allows us to take all the parts as a kind of diffuse whole. It is helpful to sense the separate parts, for example left hand, left arm, left foot with toes and the bottom of the foot. Then go through the right side in the same way. Then incudes the two sides along with the trunk and head as a diffuse whole. Be easy, gentle and open. See if you can notice something like a global sensation of the whole of the physical body. Some times this is called an energy field that surrounds and interpenetrates the body and the body, as it were, is the visible and more dense aspect of the energy field that is made to be appear as that which is visible by the interfere pattern of the outer sense with the unbounded energy field itself. Mainly what we are is invisible but we are strongly fixated on the visible. In trying to point to this one teacher says "There is nothing outside your arm span; yet there is plenty that appears outside due the fact that we have yet to 'get here' completely. We still are under only the influence of the template of impressions that we learned earlier on. As a baby-child the outer senses gives us impressions of interaction with our significant caregiver in which we come to see and implicitly know "I am 'in here' is this separate body and mother is 'out there' in that separate body. I don't find anyone 'in here' with me so everything is 'out there' in that world of separate things, bodies, etc. This is relative world is also a mode of perception that we naturally identify with because that is all we know. I'm 'in here' in this small vulnerable body and everything else and all I need is 'out there'. This gives us subject vs object knowing; it gives us relative vision and a relative world. We need to come to a more unitive vision that will allow us to see that: yes, everything appears outside the body but equally well everything can be said to be "not outside our arm span" and in our original undivided consciousness. And we can awaken to our original consciousness before the template of self vs other was firm fixed in place. This self vs other vision is necessary yet we wish not to be limited to this and awaken to the deeper view that can also see "self and other" as one. This would correspond to full and complete embodiment. Practical tips: The key to inhabiting the body is being open to sensing our simple presence (energy field). As we do this notice that the felt sense of the breath comes into our awareness, that is to say, we readily notice the movement of the rise and fall as the breath comes and goes on its own. And we can allow the felt sense of the whole body and its breath as we open and allow our self to be open and receptive. Our body appears as form but the appearance of form to the outer five senses doesn't reveal that the form is also the invisible matrix of all divine possibility. What is seen by the outer senses is the form and that is mainly all we know and we identify with the separate form and this results in our not realizing our completion in the invisible aspect, the unbounded aspect that is not separate from anything. May we find patience and love with each step into the unknown that we take. Thanks be.

[@celestegoulding1191]

I used to have conversations like this with my father. He died 16 years ago. I've never really found another person that I could have these conversations with. I think this is something that is missing in our culture.

[@shamskitz]

they don't make 'em like they used to

[@xmathmanx]

Free thinking has always been very rare in every culture, it seems to be growing now

[@brendawilliams8062]

The beauty is that it’s beneficial and in no time in the smallest way a cult

[@georgepanathas2009]

Thats exactly why we have dystopian times

[@xmathmanx]

@georgepanathas2009 if you think this is dystopian you are ignorant of history and the world around you

[@szilardoberritter4135]

I often wish I had people in my life to talk to regularly who are aware McGilchrist’s work

[@LitPicksbySarah]

@@szilardoberritter4135 same ! Hello 👋🏼

[@tammyallen]

Me too

[@mp9810]

Yeah, and it's not exactly a gift-book 😂. Or only for a very small percentage!

[@TheQuantumPortal]

We are out there ! Everyone knows. Just need to help each other remember what we need to remember. Love already won. Remain divinely and authenticity aligned. Stay safe. Be More 😇😇😇

[@LitPicksbySarah]

@@TheQuantumPortal love reading this, hope from random internet people (as I appear to you right now as well) - see you on the other side 🫶

[@NoOne0000]

This conversation deserves WAY more likes!

[@NozaOz]

@@NoOne0000 wayyy more.

[@MasoudJohnAzizi]

Very insightful and enlightening discussion! Indeed, the wisdom and works of Dr. Iain McGilchrist are treasures for humanity.

[@Laayon19]

"the attention that you give reality determines the details given back" Ian said something like this in a podcast a while back and it completely stuck with me. I've been listening to him ever since. Thank you bith for your huge contribution towards thought👌🏼

[@lucaspierce3328]

He's Great, there with the Giants in his & related Fields. Like a Modern day Carl Jung.

[@Laayon19]

@lucaspierce3328 Ian and Michael Levin have become my two favourites. It's funny because somewhere along the way I thought intelligence was uncool and being good at sport and academics I chose sports. All my interests now are exactly the things I thought were silly when I was a teen.

[@coolhandeddie]

Yes Curt! Iain McGilchrist, one of the greatest minds of our time. The Matter With Things is an extraordinary book

[@m4inline]

No. The book is a completely normal cuboid of paper with text. It's the meaning of the text that is extraordinary. HAVE YOU LEARNT NOTHING?🍄

[@aga5109]

@@coolhandeddie l agree. I'm reading it. Magnificent!

[@jtr18330]

1:32:31 beautiful to see you so vulnerable, Curt. Really. People who haven’t watched you often might errantly see you as coldly above the fray at times. But that surface reading of you belies your passion and sense of obligation you have consistently exhibited toward these topics. Bravo sir, from a long time fan!!

[@Esveronicanv]

Amazing guest and outstanding interviewer. It is a privilege to be able to feed our mind and soul with conversations like this one. Thank you

[@qcard76]

This might be the most heartwarming, insightful, and high-production value therapy session (for watcher and interviewer alike lol) on KZbin

[@MikeFuller-d4d]

I admire people who combine a polymathic range of knowledge into a coherent piece of work or art. Goethe, Hegel, Wagner, Schrodinger, von Neumann, Bronowski, and McGilchrist are examples of such minds who are given the umbrella term of "polymath".

[@chrisfireymusic]

Revelatory! As a musician who has struggled with creating and learning, discovering Iain's work has been one of the turning points leading me to a more authentic, embodied practice. I feel like I've reached a ground of truth how to approach music-making now. Thanks for a thorough and insightful discussion, as well as the first with Iain and countless others on this channel.

[@gideonsalbato5328]

i'm not always sold on your guests, especially the more fringe and "out-there" thinkers, but guests such as iain are well received, and your thoughtful and well researched questions seem to bring the best out of them.

[@dljnobile]

So wonderful to see the two of you back together, as each of you draws such gems from the other.

[@aidanhall6679]

Dear Kurt, I know I speak for the multitude when I commend you for your perspicacity, curiosity and thoughtfulness, they were on display here. I truly believe the KZbin intellectual community, and by extension, the global intellectual community would be much the poorer were it not for your influence. Dr MiGilchrist is onto something here and I can’t wait to read his latest book (or, as you said, ‘tome’ is probably more apt).

[@thismindofours]

Iain is a wonderful thinker, looking forward to reading his Magnum Opus “The matter with things”! I also loved talking with Iain too 🎉

[@TheoriesofEverything]

Wonderful!

[@carlt570]

​@@TheoriesofEverything Indeed this conversation is wonderful ! Thank you . At 12:00 you mention a particular 'western' interpretation of Nondual , when interestingly Iain had just previously laid out a beautifully emotive pointer (from 8:00) to the meaning/experience of Nondual - 'the unfolding complexification of the whole' ,.The meaning is in the word itself and might be more helpfully described for a left brain perspective as 'dual aspect monism' - two sides of the same coin .

[@PrincipalAudio]

I've never come across Iain McGilchrist before, but this talk shows he's an extremely deep thinker with a high IQ. Very happy you got to interview him. Thanks for the vid. :)

[@swerremdjee2769]

A talker he is🙂👍

[@Gallowglass7]

He's well worth checking out

[@DrIIGerMusic]

So beautifully easy to understand of one had undergone individuation work (healing etc..) otherwise one try to grapple on ideas with a risk of overthinking and churning endless thoughts, like Kirk.

[@ronanryan7755]

Iain Mcgilchrist. A revolution in thought? Darwin lecture series. It's here on KZbin. You will thoroughly enjoy it.

[@colind228]

Best Guest.

[@stanrubin2276]

Discussions this profound are rare, even amid the many smart science podcasts. This dialogue is a continuing questioning.😊

[@Michael-nt1me]

...facts, ideas, and views.... ...resonance, rhythm and rigor.... ...entities, relationships, and transformabilities....

[@DavidDavoDavidson]

Ian is WISE. Something a lot of smart people are not.

[@X11bl]

Felt your challenge Kurt, some caves aren’t easy to know, to test, to incorporate or leave it on the knowledge drawer, but above all being on the road is a beautiful path.

[@NewMusic.FreshIdeas]

My friend, the late philosopher Jeffrey Maitland, wrote that every entity is "a relationship to which all relationships relate," which throws out the window the post-modern idea that any concept of X is as good as any other concept of X. X relates to all relationships, but is itself a relationship/entity that cannot be just any entity.

[@kiandelacour2641]

So excited to see this, your last convo was epic! I’d love to see you interview Lisa Feldman Barrett too, whose work strikes me as related in describing our construction of perception (reality), her relational viewpoint and her recent work on the philosophy of science 🙏🏻

[@Siralantoon]

As usual you leave my brain purring with contentment and busy..

[@thebookreporters]

I really enjoyed the personal experience and growth you shared, Curt. Thanks

[@sharonsteedly1950]

Thank you, Dr. McGilchrist for writing The Matter With Things, and being willing to speak about your work which elucidates my own thoughts. I can now point others to your work as a way of explaining how I, trained in the sciences, can also be a practicing Catholic. I take great pleasure in knowing you are in the world and sharing your work with all of us.

[@gloriaharbin1131]

I deeply thank you Curt an Iain for this beautiful and penetrating discussion. ❤

[@alexandersalamander]

Christmas came early this year. Started with Sheldrake

[@calliebelwayns]

Wonderful exploration! Thank you both 🙏

[@werdog]

Got both those books GEB and The Master and His Emissary, along with The Music Of Life! Thank you for these illuminating discussions!!

[@JamesGelok]

There are a few books called “The Music of Life”, which author?

[@werdog]

@JamesGelok Denis Noble!

[@kubamoscicki4272]

Thank you for introducing me to the mind of Iain McGilchrist. Many of the things he said in this interview have been bouncing around in my head for a while. Listening to this conversation helped me to sort some of them out and put them into better words. Another small step on an inner journey through the universe.

[@womagrid]

I knew the name but nothing of Iain's work. It is both surreal and something of a relief to discover that someone else thinks this way.

[@PlumGustave]

Beautiful. Thank you both 🙏🏻

[@dichotomology]

Going to need to set aside 4 hours so I can take notes on this sure to be beast of a video. If anyone is interested I am a huge fan of TOE and Iain Mcghilchrist and have been trying to reconcile everything that exists. Iain’s interpretation provides a huge perspective boost within my theory and he will go on to be one of the most important people to push the boundaries of understanding ourselves and in doing so, the universe.

[@erica_mSoFla]

Beautiful 🥰🩷 thank you for this conversation!

[@ingabaronaitehammoud6495]

Incredible, I just realised by listening Iain that my praying consists from adoration. Literaly by celebrating other people, their work, their greatness in creation I pray to God's greatness/ manifestation in a human being..

[@benk.psy32]

I can't believe you cut off the ending remarks. I love those. You and your guests always show appreciation toward one another, it's beautiful to watch really.

[@TheoriesofEverything]

Thank you. What cutting off are you referring to?

[@spiralsun1]

I’m just stunned at this interview. Maybe I’m an idiot, but it meant so much to me that it was like being privileged to a holy event. One of the best things about Curt’s interview style is that he pretends to just be an interviewer, but by the questions he asks he proves to be otherwise and so that’s why I wanted to be interviewed by him. I see that clearly-the divinity in him. I keep forgetting that people don’t normally do that and so when I want to be interviewed they think it’s because of something else. I don’t mean to blow your cover Curt, but I see the guru in you. Ian McGilchrist what can I say… I bought his 2 volume book for 70.00 a few weeks ago even though I am homeless and sometimes can’t afford food. One huge problem I have with what Ian said is about 🦄 unicorns… they do actually exist. And they are the most important thing in Silicon Valley 😂 Look it up!! Also, I wrote the transgender policy for the Boston Marathon and the symbol is a unicorn. 🦄 I’m wearing a unicorn jacket with their unicorn embroidered on it right now. So yeah. Unicorns are real and I’m an idiot.

[@tomfleenor7555]

What lovely timing. I've just finished the first interview today!

[@AdamDylanMajor]

I like the observational skills of this guest. Every moment of this video is a gem of wisdom. Rarely ever does a person make you like the paper and the ink. In these times, when you would find team paper and team ink debate which is more important, this video is clearly needed.

[@harryyoudaman]

Curt you and Jordan Peterson and John MacArthur are amazing and evidence of how God gifts the human mind with brilliant orators who increasingly bless me to better understand the fallen world we live in. Thank you!

[@user-cg3tx8zv1h]

This was by far the best episode of all TEO. And, I have many top contenders among my favorites... Including the previous McGilchrist episode...

[@truincanada]

Curt. 1:43:00 ish. Take great comfort in that bit as it concretizes the fact that you need never worry again. about your open minded penchant as it is exactly that from which the Platonic trinity becomes moreso inside you tangibly. Wonderful because Iian states correctly either you do or you do not continue to ascertain them . I found that entirely liberating. You are correct. I do not watch you because I think your selling, rather because of your earnestness and genuine concern for answers that is palpable and resonates hard with viewers at l Be confident in that fact at LEAST.

[@danielash1704]

Most time I and I bet others will say the same thing about thinking I sometimes have a problem figuring something out and then I sleep on it I ask for a reasonable answer to it and by morning I'm confident in the answers I needed to get something done ❤

[@yahwea]

Personally, I am extremely spiritual but not religious at all. I have experienced many religions, but recall of past lives (and past deaths) has pointed me into generally misunderstood ways of being. I can say that while I am devotional at my local Catholic church's Cover to the Mother, that is because of my interest in the "Marian apparitions". I was trained to be a Transcendental mediator for my 16th birthday, and there is much that comes to me from the nothingness I acheive in TM.... my favorite book of all is Jung's Memories, Dreams & Reflections.

[@ambientjohnny]

How could you know that you have experienced past lives and that what you experienced, are memories you have lived before, instead of more simply being a tapping in to a collective consciousness? That is to say, that you are experiencing the reality of others from the past, and not at all experiencing YOUR past or YOUR previous lives, but "merely" snippets of the lives of others.

[@JardineKarate1]

Beautiful interview. I very much enjoy watching the relationship you have together.

[@martinspiering5817]

For an in-depth discussion and understanding of oneness and multiplicity (or the "Eastern" view on "oneness" touched on early in this conversation), an engagement with Nagarjuna's Madhyamaka (Middle Way) philosophy is probably essential. McGilchrist comes close to making that move in the Matter with Things but then stops short, which is a regrettable omission. In Nagarjuna's words, neither singularity nor plurality exist independently of each other, they dependently co-arise (like everything else in the world)--one always goes with the other, with both lacking intrinsic existence (they're "empty").

[@DavidDavoDavidson]

Yin Yang

[@MH7919]

Love = McGilchrist

[@PromoMIAR]

❤❤❤ I was also changed (for the better) by ImcG and his work. ❤❤❤

[@dadsonworldwide3238]

Ian is the man

[@Kelty-yy5lp]

Perfect thank you 😊

[@ourblessedtribe9284]

Yes

[@dosesandmimoses]

Now this is a wonderful deep esoteric dive! Thank you gentlemen and to those that wrote, filmed, edited, and produced this esoteric look at modern critical reasoning or more simply: thinking about how we think.. well done!

[@dannysgluck]

Curt, I understand from what you’ve said here that you are, in a sense, besieged by people wanting to assert a particular discipline, practice, philosophy, or belief, as being the one that gives the ultimate answers to the questions that you discuss. I apologize that this communication from me is yet another of that ilk. For my part, what i would suggest is that there is a high probability that for you and for many of your guests and podcast followers the reading of God Speaks by Meher Baba would be very beneficial. At the very least you and they would find it compelling, even if you cannot fully accept what it has to say. Respectfully, Danny Gluck

[@paulksycki]

This was very helpful to my search. Great line of questions, by the way. Complimentary you could say. Similar to the magnetic inductor and electric capacitor working in complimentary phase shift in the oscillator circuit creating negative resistance without the two coming together in discharge/annihilation, ie virgin birth... Or symbiotic relation.

[@TriggerIreland]

Undifferentiated=Now / present. Differentiated=(mental) model / memory / representation. Or something like that? Great to hear IMcG at length!

[@blijebij]

Very interesting talk, Curt! It always amazes me how you find such fascinating people for your interviews. I really enjoyed it! Thanks :)

[@davidkent2804]

I like a lot of this and could relate. One of the mysteries is how a universe exhibiting intent and purpose, favoring and following the Platonic values, allows lives to be ruined and unspeakable harm to befall the innocent. "It's why we can never have nice things." Given a vote at the end of it all, shut it down or leave it, I honestly don't know what I'd do.

[@kahlread3791]

Sins of omission produce deception that leads a person to think they know the truth but don't. Whereas sins of commission when exposed reveal the lie. I believe omission is more often the worst of the two. This is the only point I can disagree with. Brilliant discussion. Your philosophy greatly touched my adult son, who has been diagnosed bipolar. Thankyou.

[@melaniebruce3923]

How can we be simultaneously one and many? It’s the ultimate paradox. It’s utterly and achingly impossible, yet stunning in its absolute perfection. I become enlightened (for about 1 second hah ) every time I stop to breathe this in.

[@SP-qi8ur]

Wym by many?

[@melaniebruce3923]

Many is you + everything not you

[@goldwhitedragon]

You aren't too smart then.

[@melaniebruce3923]

Oh you think so? Well what do you say many is?

[@goldwhitedragon]

@@melaniebruce3923 As much as you want it to be.

[@MilushevGeorgi]

Color graded to perfection

[@PeripheralWisdom]

Great conversation, as always

[@RickDelmonico]

Knowledge is the palette, wisdom is knowing which brush to use.

[@jazzfan39]

What a wonderful interview, Curt! Thanks for bringing this giant on. Also, I noted many years ago you mentioning your receding hairline... but it seems to look superb! Whatever you did, looks great bro!

[@lucaspierce3328]

Unity through Duality. This is the Unifying Theme or Dictum of String and M-theory(Braneworld Physics). Super-Tension is the Fulfillment and Completion of String and M-theory, a True UFT. My Big ToE is Self-Organizing 'Dynamic Kinetic Contructor(DKC)' Theory. It's been the Best of Times & the Worst of Times lately, because I'm Proud of my Big ToE 'DKC' Theory. Yet my mother had an Accident(Fall) recently that put her in the Hospital with a Broken Right Arm. Many Blessings to All of you. Also many of Iain McGilchrist Ideas Guided me in the Making of Many of my Theories & Models. DKC Theory is the Major one & Aspects of Super-Tension aswell, especially regarding 'Background Independence' in Quantum & Classical Field Theories.

[@MH7919]

Ian You’ve nailed it! said my left hemisphere. Right one said nothing and just laughed.

[@justaguy-69]

every time i watch this channel , which is often, i get the strong sense that curt really needs to eat 4 hits of acid and listen to some good music in a safe, candle lit, comfortable place and smile with some close trusted friends for 8 - 12 hours... and then go out for a big breakfast.🧐

[@brendawilliams8062]

That’s funny. Then imagine him leaving with the sequel to the sounds of silence on a napkin.

[@gregmason6152]

I'd love to hear a discussion involving "Smartest Man in the World" Christopher Langan, and Ian McGrilchrist.

[@mostlynotworking4112]

You are virtually not alone

[@pv2132]

Also the mind can go into a stage where subconcious fragments of what you see, hear, smell, taste, and feel are reorganized. This I believe happens to fast for a person to experience. It happens right before you wake. Like booting up a computer does with RAM to restore its previous session. The difference is we can use cognitive coherence to gain more insight into that information.

[@pv2132]

33:53 In the mind you can envision all things as spirals similar to time lapse photography. In reality spiral is symbolic for time flow. Only altering your perception can you master a skill or see what others can’t.

[@Thomasp671]

I know why we are here in this physical form.... We are all nothing more than pure energy, thought, and conscious awareness... and this consciousness exist outside this physical biological body... This consciousness is pure love, It is pure thought, It is everything that you could possibly imagine except this consciousness alone cannot have a physical experience.... In other words this consciousness can't touch a wall or give a friend a hug... It has to be done in this 3D construct that this consciousness is creating so that we can have a physical experience.. Without this three dimensional construct, we are nothing more than just energy, thought and love... Have a good day and go safely Everyone...

[@kos-mos1127]

Pure energy is an abstraction. Energy is a property of matter and shows up as rest mass. Consciousness is a process not a substance.

[@newpilgrim]

On Buddhism. I look to the Pali Canon. The Buddha says don't clutter your mind with too much potentiality, potentiality is endless, thus a mental trap keeping you from the path.

[@carlt570]

​ @TheoriesofEverything - at 12:00 you mention a particular 'western' interpretation of Nondual , when interestingly Iain had just previously laid out a beautifully emotive pointer (from 8:00) to the meaning/experience of Nondual - 'the unfolding complexification of the whole' ,.The meaning is in the word itself and might be more helpfully described for a left brain perspective as 'dual aspect monism' - two sides of the same coin .

[@Michaelfrikkie]

This discussion is fascinating, especially about what I see as "solipsistic oneness thinking"-an extremely dangerous outlook. Thankfully, McGilchrist mentioned the obvious when he implied that you cannot love the other if it is, in fact, just part of you-like a solipsist would believe. John 17:23 Jesus prayed: "I in them and you in me-so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me." P.S. I am not sure if McGilchrist sees himself as pantheistic, panentheistic, or weak-panentheistic.

[@pulse42151]

Wow, thank you

[@tedwalford7615]

Yes! On the point of Eastern philosophy, though it's the common impersonalist concept that has got all attention, that's but a partial truth. The complete understanding, long known and taught in the East, is of a personal supreme, with whom we living entities have an eternal, personal, loving relationship. (I would refer the interested to the commented translations of Vedic literatures recently done by A.C. Bhaktivedanta.)

[@pv2132]

Enlightenment is attained through different paths. Yet there is different results based on what the persons past experiences and/or how well they grasp the information. Similar to near death experiences leading to sudden knowledge of playing music.

[@quakers200]

Reminds me of discussions I had with friends when smoking pot. How do we know the difference between dreams and awake and so on.. Looking back what we said, the ideas, thoughts, etc. were much less profound than they seemed at the time. That is what I feel about this discussion. Sorry but that is how I feel. I am an empiricist by nature.

[@maxtroy]

My father once told me a story about his pot smoking days, that he would always have profound thoughts, then the next day remember having a profound thought but not being able to recall it. So he decided to keep a notepad with him next time. He woke up the day after, looked at the notepad and the most profound thing he had written was, “the banana is bigger with the skin ON”

[@mrudo8663]

The scott aarson quote is great

[@swerremdjee2769]

10:40 the flower was already in the bud plus when the flower decayes after being fertilised then there are seeds growing in the bud while flower has decayed...

[@rossentownsend4936]

Gestalt or what I've hollorised is to allow The whole to be attended to as the sum of their parts; with the understanding that the whole is also greater than the sum of the same Parts. If we are to truly understand having a word in english that translates gustalt. Hollorise is a suggestion for that word.

[@justaguy-69]

i have felt that same feeling of things being a spiral since my last lsd and study period in the early 1980's , the term 'what comes around goes around' and things have ''come full circle'' changed in my perception to a spiral, not a circle, theres a learning and growing despite the cyclical nature of life. it go's around but does not end up exactly back in the same place,its just a 'similar' place.😎

[@justaguy-69]

like christ said, think not that I have come to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to destroy them, but to fulfill them. like his flower bud analogy ..

[@TheChosenOnesPodcast-z5t]

The problem with this convo is it makes me want to do DMT again

[@ourblessedtribe9284]

Also dude you're looking so good

[@kahlread3791]

The quote from Ecclesiastes about there being a "time" for everything uses the word kairos, not cronus. Refer my earlier post on Cronos being the Grim Reaper.

[@truincanada]

Excellent

[@ScratchedWinter]

@54:00 So i hear people all the time get presented with the trolley problem and on one set of tracks is their wife and on the other 10 strangers and I only really understand the people who would save their wife (or son or daughter or whatever, an emotional connection) and give up their "utility maximiser" philosophy, they understand they are being tortured by the trolley master and that he ultimately is responsible for this, and they cant be held accountable for that choice. I see a lot of people boast though, that they would "do the right thing" and save 10 people at the expense of their own grief, but i always feel they are just playing a role for the audience, not really empathising with the horror of the situation. Most of us would save the ones we love, and shouldn't be called out for making that choice if it was imposed upon us

[@Ankhar2332]

I agree, but I can understand those who deny obvious choice - with that divorce rate and overall bullshit relationships when you realize your partner cared only for money and children will hate you for many reasons - why not, why not

[@clintnorton4322]

Dogma has value in getting someone started on a path towards wisdom and functionality. This is apparent and observable at all levels of nature. But eventually dogma must be questioned and incorporated into larger and increasingly flexible frameworks. Otherwise the dogma becomes a limiting factor. A good example of this is learning the fundamentals of a sport first and becoming adept at them before expanding into the "big plays". It's the job of the teacher/coach to force the dogma at first and then encourage, even force at timese, experimentation.

[@addalavenkataratnam5449]

Nothing is permanent, and nothing is static in this world. No unfettered free will.

[@petervandenengel1208]

The theory of the two hemispheres in itself is very interesting and above all true. But the real question is, why has science never done antything with it so far? Proving its inertness in theoretical thinking? For instance one can upset himself about the left handed way of materialist thinking in the world today. But is this because these people somehow tend to use their left brain hemisphere more often than the right? (virtually expanding it) And if so what causes this. Is it by chance, or caused by something else. I believe it is because of what they remembered. Seeing in the present world. So the world you are in guides (reflects) the human thinking. This theory is supported by another one. When I asked myself what causes people to be left handed (since there is a cross reference in the body, the left hand is controled by the right hemisphere). I got an idea explaining this. It must be, because their mother used to carry them on the right arm, while doing everything (multitasking) with their left hand. By seeing this, they as a baby remembered it was custom or usefull to use your left hand for doing things and not the right. So observation actually caused this. * Somehow this habit occurs more often in Italy. Maybe because catholic families used to have more children and so led to very busy mothers. This also led to their peculiar way of explaing things later. Which on average is very simple (do this and you get that for certain), but also very often obscured by uncertainty. That this cannot be the full explanation of the world. It is too simple. So, in theory this in hindsight is also caused by the same cross reference. The right brain which is the creative, now applies a left handed method in explaining reality. Which restricts itself by being binary. And so turns out to remain quite vague. Because the creative (delayed) part, cannot function within that restriction. So, one should look at it (the two brain hemisphere functions) more holistically and include observation. Also as a whole even leading to certain human cultures in evolution. Because they do not all think alike. There is a link between the hemispheres, how one (also custom directed) observes the world and how it is remembered by a culture expressed in its habitual behavior. All is one (containing three parts).

[@kos-mos1127]

Materialistic thinking is right brand thinking as it comes from a bottom up perspective which leads to multiplicity. Idealism is left brand thinking which comes from a top down perspective which leads to reductionism.

[@jonathangenesse6668]

Truth is like light speed! We can try to understand more, but we will never be able to reach it entirely. We are a part of the universe. A fraction of something can't understand the whole.

[@eirikloc]

I wholeheartedly agree with Dr McGilchrist’s critique of “dogmatism” as we understand it today. It is that ugly phenomena when concepts become ideological, which I take to be a kind of idolatry. Granting that, however, I want to put in a good word for what I perceive to be the original understanding of dogma as a way of being faithful to what Kurt was trying to get at with his prayer- that the most high God is worthy of the most high honor/praise. I think the best understandings of dogma include the apophatic, while allowing and honoring the cataphatic revelations that He has provided throughout history. Dogma gets reduced to words and propositions, and that has to mean something, but when it’s working well it shouldn’t be formulaic, nor should it be nominalistic. It might be economic, a hi-fidelity witness to a revelation of God, to the extent that we can understand Him as creatures, and it will seek to be true to how He’s revealed Himself within time and space, but God in Himself always exceeds even faithful representations of His revelation. Ireneaus says this, “He [the Son] revealed God to men and presented men to God; preserving the invisibility of the Father to prevent man from treating God with contempt, and to always possess something towards which man can advance.” It’s as if to truly appreciate and honor/worship Christ, is to ultimately worship Him who is beyond all concepts, who is somehow still present to us in the humanity, vulnerability, and love that descends to us in Christ, so that we might ascend with Him to these ineffable divine realms. Anyway, I wanted to put in a good word for a more ancient notion of dogma, which I think is completely consistent with what McGilchrist is arguing for.

[@eirikloc]

Quick addendum: I think this sort of understanding of “dogma” and what it really should serve when it isn’t politicized, can actually set you up for the God who IS. It sets you up for the story of Aquinas that McGilchrist shared from the end of Aquinas’s life, when he says he could write no more and that he considered all his discursive work to be mere straw by comparison to the shattering encounter he had with the true and living God.

[@NewMusic.FreshIdeas]

Heidegger insisted that the West had forgotten Being in favor of beings. Could this be parallel with the Right hemisphere (the whole of Being) as contrasted with the Left hemisphere (particular beings)?

[@AquarianSoulTimeTraveler]

Lord, make me a channel of thy peace, that where there is hatred, I may bring love; that where there is wrong, I may bring the spirit of forgiveness; that where there is discord, I may bring harmony; that where there is error, I may bring truth; that where there is doubt, I may bring faith; that where there is despair, I may bring hope; that where there are shadows, I may bring light; that where there is sadness, I may bring joy. Lord, grant that I may seek rather to comfort than to be comforted; to understand, than to be understood; to love, than to be loved. For it is by self-forgetting that one finds. It is by forgiving that one is forgiven. It is by dying that one awakens to Eternal Life.

[@AquarianSoulTimeTraveler]

Devil, make me a channel of thy chaos, that where there is love, I may bring hatred; that where there is righteousness, I may bring the spirit of resentment; that where there is harmony, I may bring discord; that where there is truth, I may bring falsehoods; that where there is faith, I may bring doubt; that where there is hope, I may bring despair; that where there is light, I may bring darkness; that where there is joy, I may bring sadness Devil, grant that I may seek rather to comforted than to be comfort; to be understood, than to understand; to be loved, than to love. For it is by self remembrance that one is lost. It is by resentment that one is resented. It is by living that one stays asleep to eternal darkness of singularity...

[@Sharing13]

The law of cause and effect 🙌🏽

[@sinaghodsi4496]

Thank you for having Dr. Mcgilchrist on. Enlightening as always.

[@nikomali]

Absolutely brilliant!

[@DJWESG1]

"straight lines upwards, side by side.. Circles of power, difference collide Apex rises, lifts few off base Community asunder, left in the waste..

[@six1free]

consider dimension 0 - where all things are one point, no separation - of course while in dimension 0, we perceive at least 4 more - likely infinite degrees of separation

[@TheoriesOfTheoriesOfEverything]

I’m not sure why McGilchrist never comments on how what we call Abstract Scientific theories seem like a product of the left hemisphere which might have been the mistake that is the cause of ‘the crisis in physics’

[@dunebuggy1292]

The whole framing of physics on computation is entirely left brained. When we believe reality is just a series of state transitions, and emergence a bundle of states - just the right quality and amount - somehow we'll experience a punctuation of new phenomena. Rene Guenon talks about this in his Reign of Quantity. What would be the right brained approach? Honestly, it's not about choosing one or the other, but not allowing the overweening of the left brained to dictate how we ought to conduct science. No amount of particle acceleration or new abstractions is going to break the boundary of the universe and prove Godel wrong. Even Wolfram hints at this in his computation irreducibility. You will infinitely find new states, because reality is an asymptotic experience.

[@kos-mos1127]

Reality is stranger than fiction.