The Hidden Truth of Tesla Battery Life -- What Happens After Super Charging and 100% Charging?

In this video, we're going to explore the hidden truth of Tesla battery life -- what happens after super charging and 100% charging. We'll answer some questions like: how long does a Tesla battery last? And how long does it take to recharge a Tesla battery?
By the end of this video, you'll know everything you need to know about Tesla battery life and the effects of super charging and 100% charging on a Tesla battery. Keep an eye on the video for the answer to the biggest question of them all: how long will my Tesla battery last?
In this video, I'm sharing with you what I learned about Tesla Supercharging and 100% charge and what it does to range. I was curious about this, so I did some research and found out some surprising information about battery degradation.As a Tesla owner, it's important to know about this technology and how it works. I hope this video has helped you understand Supercharging and 100% charge a little bit better. Thanks for watching!

[@Yanquetino]

I've gotta add that I haven't seen any significant loss in my Model 3 RWD Long Range. After 5 years, 70,000 miles, 264 Supercharges, 1,313 Level 2 charges, my battery is at 94.73% of its original capacity. Seems to me that ALL EVs have much more robust batteries in them than when I first started driving them 11 years ago.

[@HeyMikeyLikesIt2]

I have the same car, when I got it from Tesla it was up to 274….. 6 months later my full charge can only take it to 267. I drove this car down to 0% once, got to a supercharger by using accelerator then release so it can give back some charge from the brake, and mad it by a miracle. I only got 261 miles on a full charge after draining it down to zero. Once I got home, it got back up to 267.

[@rogergeyer9851]

@@HeyMikeyLikesIt2: Abusing ANYTHING is a bad idea if you want it to last.

[@Hugo-py2ce]

That's just awesome 👌🏼

[@truhartwood3170]

Considering the worst range loss is in the first couple years, you're doing pretty good! This will continue to be less and less an issue as battery tech improves.

[@Patriot3]

I have 43k on my 18 m3. Still like new with full range. This year I started driving 110 miles a day round trip to work. The best robot I've ever owned.

[@jwb2814]

🤣ikr

[@tanman49]

hahahahah I am dead lol, the best robot you ever owned. at least you gave me hope. I got the 2023 model 3 and I work 12 miles away and super charge once a week. I don't stay home long enough for charging at my apartment to get to 100% using the mobile charger. I was wondering how would it perform in 3 years. I hope I could get five to ten years from it.

[@mousegw2415]

Charging to 100% weekly (or daily) is actually necessary for 2022 and newer model 3's that use LFP batteries.

[@marcfontana1454]

What degrades the battery faster is how long the battery sits at a high state of charge at higher temperatures. If you're charging to 100 % on level 2 charging just before driving , it should have much less of an impact.

[@paulmcgraw9284]

I agree. I think that if you charge your vehicle to 80 percent and the majority of the time is at home, well then, your real world mileage will be better and your battery will last longer.

[@billhooghuis6819]

Living in sunny california, I frequently exceed the rated range. What really helps when it is cold out is to set your home charger to complete charging right before you get into your car so your battery is warm and to use house power to preheat your interior.

[@rickeybarnes6471]

I have 43,500 miles on my 2021 y performance and at 100% it’s 260 to 263 miles on battery. Real world at hwy speeds at 75 mph at 245 miles traveled using 65 kWh( on Gemini wheels). I lost 10% compared to when new which maxed out 295 miles at 100%. I charge to 90% at home and supercharge about 30% of the time. I recently switched to 19 inch Gemini wheels and have seen an increase in my range up to 20 plus miles on a regular basis. Great review subscribed 😊

[@ThomasButryn]

Having just purchased a Model Y it is good to hear that the Tesla battery packs seem to be very resilient! Thank you for the video.

[@steunsoul]

Hi X man, 6% degrading in the first year with the way you use the car seems very reasonably. The curve of degradation normally flattens in time.

[@Sam-qr1zh]

Very useful information 👍 Thank you.

[@ZKTheGreat]

Great video, I jus got my MYP two weeks ago and I'm getting similar real world range around 261 miles.

[@johnross6314]

Dump the Pirelli summer tires as soon as you can. Michelin Pilot Sport all season will get you 10-19 more real street miles. I hear Goodyear came out with better MPE and insulated for silence (great “track and all season performance) tire for M Y P. Same for Continental. Who has had the foam filled quiet tires for some time. Now in Tesla sizes with better MPE. Also, Pirelli kinda stink in the rain. The Michelins I also have are much better. I got them for winter use as all season tire. Mounted in 21” genuine Tesla take off wheels. I did not want to put the the Pirelli back on. But, should use them for the summers until worn out.

[@bluedog9935]

Great analysis on real world battery degradation. I’ve got a 2021 MYLR with 32,000 miles and I’d estimate that 60% of the time we’ve supercharged but only on road trips. The rest of the time we charge up at home to about 80%. I can count on one hand how many times I’ve charged to 100%. I believe I’ve lost about 5% range which I’m totally okay with and I’d guess that most of that loss occurred in the first year. I think you’re right that it probably doesn’t matter that much whether you baby the battery or slam it frequently at superchargers. Assuming degradation tapers over time, I can live with the loss that’s occurred so far. Thanks for sharing your numbers! Subscribed!

[@marienguyen2501]

I have lost about 8% of range over 5 years on my 2018 lrm3. I charged only on superchargers my first year and then installed a Tesla charger after that and so mostly have been charging at home and supercharging once every 3 weeks or or. I am pretty happy, understand that all mileage reported for any car on the road are calculated at ideal conditions, glad I live in a mild climate except for summers which are hot. No complaints and I will be buying another Tesla again. Every time I drive my lrm3, I am happy I bought it and love driving it. I don’t think that degradation on the battery is linear at all. If it were, I would have expected a lot more loss over 5 years.

[@dathyr1]

Thanks for this video on battery usage. I am getting a 2023 model Y long range in a week or two and my daily driving being retired will be just around town and mainly do home charging. I also live in the Midwest. I will hardly ever do supercharging not doing trips, etc. So my battery should not get allot of stress to it by my driving habits and home charging. So my journey into Electric Car driving will begin soon. take care.

[@runshen7723]

That’s why EV range design should target 500 miles. Minus -20% imperfect conditions, you still end up with 400 miles.

[@rono33]

Agreed! BUT that would need larger batteries which cost thousands more, aka higher price to purchase the car...

[@markthomasson5077]

I understand that there is an initial larger drop, then it gets much less. So interesting to see how it goes for the next few years. 100% is probably only what the car allows, not actual 100% charge

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

My Model 3 from 2020 from Fremont has lost about 7%. My Model Y LR from Shanghai has lost 5 kilometers according to Tesla Stats. I am happy with those numbers.

[@Kryojenix]

Good to know - for us 2nd hand buyers! 😁 Thanks.

[@jhngbs9]

This is good to know, seeing I have done 37,000 miles in 6 months with no issues in my LRMY, my last M3 had 70,000 miles in 18 months before someone ran a red light and wrote it off, the only thing I’ve had wrong with both cars is condensation on the rear light modules which were replaced under warranty on the M3. I’m looking to keep this one long term.

[@Patriot3]

Where is the link to Wham Bam so we can see the Carnegie?

[@robertocantero5538]

Nice video!!!

[@dalececil7527]

Hi, good video. What is your lifetime Wh/mile? That’s the most important metric.

[@CDKladis]

Sounds like your doing better then expected as many others say the same thing

[@rono33]

very good vid, very informative. Not enough ppl talking or tracking this metric...thx! (btw check your calculator, I think your percentage is more like 13% not 17 but regardless I get the point) thx!

[@JY-lg6ee]

One important factor is , allow your battery ( NCA ) to run around 50% daily. For example , if your daily commute is 20%, then charge to 60% max, so when you get home, it will be at 40%. If your battery never go below 50% daily, then it WILL degrade lot faster . Just think about charging a battery is like charging ( airing ) a balloon

[@JonathanRootD]

You could save significant battery longevity by charging to 95% not 100%.

[@TheMedianGam3r]

Gosh i love my tesla model y long range awd

[@RicViperskylogs]

2022 MYP charge at home 95% ive lost 4% so just enjoy the car folks and worry not. Looking forward to my Cybertruck

[@garylabelle123]

Elon said the truck will be ready on Wednesday. He didn't mention if that was a Wednesday in 2024 or 2025. Good luck.

[@g.richardson6883]

My Sept 2016 Model S 75D has 90k miles, 591 charge cycles (10% on Superchargers) & still has 94.3% of its original capacity. If my mileage & degradation continue on a linear path, I should be good for another 10+ years…but I wonder if at some point normal battery aging will become a bigger factor no matter how diligent I am with keeping my SOC between 30-80% and minimizing Supercharging. In order words, will degradation continue on a linear path until the mileage is unacceptably low for my purposes, or will it suddenly drop precipitously? We’ll see.

[@darrellmosley5507]

Just here to say nice SuperX shirt!

[@tanman49]

thanks for the video, I own the 2023 model 3 and I was worried about that. I work 12 miles from home and super charge once a week on pretty flat land. I was like ops I made a mistake and didnt think of battery degradation but t hen said to myself I bought my car for daily errands and to get to work, and I don't do road trips so I should be ok and get use of it as long as a gas car would when they start to break down every 3 months

[@Brian-rm8dn]

I have a 2022 model 3 long range. Had it 10 months and 15,000 miles. I avg 3.7 miles per kilowatts for the 15,000 miles. Im in dfw but have driven to TN, north Ok etc. I'm driving 70 to 80 miles per hour. If I drive around 65 I can get 4 miles per kilowatts. So pretty good range. I have sport wheels vs stock wheels as I was willing to lose 20 miles of range for something better looking. I don't baby and save energy. I have AC on as cold as I want, everything's on. But not many hills here. Just wind. I charge majority at home. Probably at least 80 %. Generally keep between 30 and 75 %. I'm local no huge reason to charge higher for commutes and tesla network.

[@dapperlygrungy3189]

How were you able to come up with these numbers? Are you able to use an app that's integrated with the Tesla? I am hoping to acquire the redesign 2024 Tesla 3 at the end of this year with the rumored 400 mile range battery (let's hope). or wait next year for the redesign Y. I knew the range published on Tesla's site isn't accurate and the battery range can deplete when using AC, Radio, Headlights, Heater etc. or are these charged by the small battery?

[@nsaagentzero5434]

What about performance difference with more miles ?

[@RB-pi3jl]

I've lost almost 3% range on my '2022 Model Y LR during the first year after only 5,000 miles and 99% home charging to 80-85%, so you're doing well.

[@davidbeppler3032]

The biggest losses are the first year. Expect your car to have more than 75% charge in 20 years.

[@slowercuber7767]

Interesting to hear the charging story with a usage profile the opposite of what I'm planning. Being retired, I can afford to live at a gentler pace. I'll be receiving my new Model Y LR in a couple of days, and plan to keep it charged between 10% and 90% at the worst of times and between 20% and 80% most of the time. I plan to charge from home most of the time, though I'll be supercharging on lazy trips, I'll not be pushing the batteries or myself. I also live in the southeast and expect most of my trips to be in cool, warm or hot times, but seldom in deep cold. At least that is my plan, at the moment. Perhaps in a year or two I'll comment back in again with what I'm seeing, though I hope I'll not have any 100% to 0% statistics, perhaps there will be something interesting about the battery aging in how a gently used 2023 Model Y LR from Austin runs after X miles and Z months. Thanks for sharing.

[@raleedy]

It seems to me that degradation, or loss of range over time, is a completely different subject from the comparison between nominal range and actual driving results.

[@bossman5161]

Hi there. Just a quick correction, you kept saying “degragation”. Correct word is degradation. Thanks for the info though 👍🏼

[@phinguyen5393]

Was the purchase worth it?

[@SeerreuS]

Great video. I won the Kentucky Derby m a g e.

[@how2tesla]

Hey thanks man!! Congrats on the win!! That’s awesome!

[@paulmcgraw9284]

Just like gas mileage..depends on the conditions and how you drive. 265 real world miles still isn't horrible. My gas minivan gets about the same mileage numbers.

[@GOLFandWRX]

Hi, the problem that I have with this comparison is that I won't make the next Supercharger - There are several locations that I have to visit each year that are 200 miles from the nearest Supercharger, in a gas car, there are LOTS of gas stations and they only take a couple of minutes to fill but Supercharging to 100% takes forever.

[@davidmenasco5743]

​@@GOLFandWRXSounds like a Lucid might be worth it. Or a Hyundai Ioniq 6 Long Range RWD, maybe (361 miles EPA). If you can get something that charges fast and only needs to charge up to 75%, it would save a lot of that charging time. Depends on what CCS stations are available.

[@scottbreseke716]

A brand new gas-powered Prius might get 53 miles per gallon, but my 12-year-old Prius only got 39 miles per gallon. That's 26.4% range degradation.

[@patrickbateman8627]

Just to inform how the stated range for new vehicles come from. The range is derived from the vehicle at 48 mph on a Dyno. This Is because NHTSA feels that 48 mph is combined hwy/city. When vehicles are sent for approval, they have to submit this test. You can find some of them on the web. So the 300 mil range is still not accurate both from only using 48 mph and the dyno does not take aerodynamics into consideration. So flush door handles on a Tesla are not factored in unlike vehicles that have exposed handles.

[@joeyvinzo4531]

Have you brought that to the attention to Tesla, to ensure there is nothing wrong with the battery pack? Which chemistry battery do you have?

[@joeysluzer1913]

There's nothing wrong. Tesla just lies about range.

[@truhartwood3170]

​@@joeysluzer1913 All cars have their range tested using EPA standards in N. America and WLTP standards in Europe. Their cars go out for testing by a third party and they post the numbers they get back. Tesla isn't claiming anything, so can't be lying. If you dislike lying, how about start with not lying.

[@lawrencewittenbergii4309]

My wife's 2.5 year old Model Y LR probably has 9% degradation. She seldom uses a Supercharger (maybe once a week over the summer and a dozen times during non-boating season). It typically gets charged to 78% overnight. I wonder if her yo-yo style of driving does or doesn't affect the degradation. Ryan McCaffrey of the Ride the Lightening podcast claims that degradation is non-linear and the degradation will get less and less until it reaches a certain point where it may suddenly drop off again. He says it's no big deal to charge to 100% as long as you hit the road soon after. I wish Tesla would publish some kind of estimate showing what the cost of a "new" pack would be. All I've seen is one old quote for a "rebuilt" or refurbished pack for around $17k. It's a shame you can't Level 1 or Level 2 charge at your hospitals. My brother has a 5 year Volt and charges everywhere he possibly can. He gets upset when he visits our mother and the hospital or facility does not have one charger or if it does, it's broken.

[@how2tesla]

That’s interesting. I hope it does slow as time goes on and yes, they really should publish that so we as owners know what we are looking at. Great ideas as always!! You rock!

[@wr2382]

@@how2tesla Lithium batteries lose about 5% within the first two years of average use, but then the degradation rate slows down to something less than 1% per year after that, although that depends on how the battery is treated wrt to power-draw and charging, and how much it is used. So, your battery's degradation appears to be about average considering your usage. And as you pointed out, fast-charging and charging to 100% are the worst things you can do for the battery. Wrt to the EPA range estimate, its equivalent to the range you would get from highway driving at about 55-60 mph in good conditions with light AC use. So, as you mentioned, driving at higher speeds and at temps where you need heavy AC/heating use is going to reduce the range below the EPA estimate.

[@RWBHere]

Slightly concerning that you have a sniper's target in the middle of your chest! 😁

[@tibsyy895]

As much as am all in for EVs, and love them, for you the best deal would be an economic diesel car! Or a Mazda Skyactiv gasoline car!

[@CaptWinky]

Normally, you see more battery loss in the first year, and then it seems to taper off.

[@RWBHere]

Consider the fact that many new Tesla's have LFP batteries, which thrive on 100% charging as well as having at least twice the expected battery life. This makes your information interesting, but already become somewhat outdated. Thanks for the report. 🙂👍

[@giorgos997]

It would be nice if you could use slow charging while you are at work , It could save you time and have less of an impact on the battery.

[@davidbeppler3032]

Hospitals can't afford charging. It could cost them more than $500/year!

[@nd1471]

I'm fortunate as my hospital provides free charging.

[@puddlejumper360]

This isn’t bad at all. I have a 2022 MYP with 15k miles at 100% charge my rating is at 280 miles and I use super charger 100% of the time.

[@greaterbw]

In the past I’ve always been told you want to completely drain the battery and recharge to 100% none of the Tesla owners I know discharge the battery fully which I think isn’t smart but who knows. I’m waiting to purchase one when they ditch the lithium batteries and all the rare earth materials.

[@DavidSmith-yi8ou]

How are people here even calculating out the percentage decrease? Comparing range upon receiving vehicle versus current range? An app?, through Tesla… how? Cheers

[@peterannettts2446]

Rated 303 real world 265 miles = 12% less range than predicted

[@stum8374]

I've said from the start superchargers should ONLY be used now and again,forcing to much power into a battery isn't good.

[@Patriot3]

I also charge low amps at home. 20amps. Know idea how much it helps, but it does it at a lower speed, so I assume it would be better. I hope years from now, I can buy a new battery with modern cells in it. Have my Tesla robot install it after the lawn is mowed and I get my massage in.

[@MrCountrycuz]

You have a lead foot I would guess?

[@jpmackin]

No worries, before the warranty ends- trade it in for a Cybertruck…

[@Crunch_dGH]

Thanks for sharing! You missed the driving speed for calibrating range ratings. Anyway, from driving each of my Mar’22 M3P & Sep’22 MYLR from SoCal to Austin/Starbase, Re: Battery Degradation. All batteries from Tesla initially take a > 5% hit during the first year, then flattens for the next 5-10 years, until very noticeably dropping off in the last months of their lives. Being “hard” on a battery from the outset blocks it from realizing its full potential by creating a physical barrier at the “top” of the battery. That top “resistance”area actually widens very slightly from from each “abuse,” including discharging below 10%. Most people will get 80% of rated capacity by 8-10 years. LFP batteries last longer, are recommended to be discharged/charged 0%/100%, but require a lot of internal heating in cold weather, due to the iron (Fe) cold soaking below operating temps, so home charging helps with pre-departure conditioning. LFPs are much less likely to catch fire, though all (very rare) EV fires burn “to the end”, once lit.

[@GOLFandWRX]

My coworker drives 38K miles/year - his used (2017) tesla M3 RWD is -20% battery range, only supercharges (has an apartment). This makes me nervous about buying a used Tesla, because -20% makes it difficult to make the next Supercharger. Thanks for your numbers!

[@davidmenasco5743]

I've seen a lot of reports of Tesla range after years of driving. Never anything close to - 20%, even for 8 year old Model S with high mileage. This is a statistical outlier. Could be related to it being first year of Model 3 production. They made very few M3 in 2017.

[@GOLFandWRX]

@davidmenasco5743 it's actually 18.9%, but you are right, it's one of the early ones. I assumed it's because he only superchargers it....but it makes me nervous about a used Tesla. The only one that has been in my price already has 100K miles, if I have to replace my battery or lose 20% range, the car will be useless to me....

[@vladimiralexandrov5930]

Around 20% is very unlikely. Can you get more specific numbers? How many miles on the car and what’s indicated range now? Maybe he is confusing rated range indicated and projected range that he is getting?

[@GOLFandWRX]

@vladimiralexandrov5930 2017, 120 ish K miles, forecast range 255 ish ....real range about 220. My coworkers car, but I am familiar with it. He loves it, but sometimes I have to take the long trips because his car max is 220 miles...both projected range and real range is near 80% of new

[@vladimiralexandrov5930]

Still confusing, what do you mean by “forecast range”? Is it rated range? So if he charges to 100% it would only show 255 miles of range? If that’s the case, I have not seen that before in real life. Real and projected ranges are different and depends on conditions, driving style etc. I am not taking in account those. When people talk about capacity loss, we only talk about rated range and how much it has decreased since new. I believe RWD model 3 was at 310 miles when new or so.

[@davidbeppler3032]

I expect my 2022 TM3LR to last 20+ years and over a million miles.

[@davidchen3643]

Like the Subaru ad says, 80% are still on the road at ten years. What it fails to mention is they're likely on the second engine and third transmission by then. At ten years, Rich Rebuilds Model S is on its third drive unit, 4 door handles, and second battery. Expect to replace parts regularly on your million miles journey.

[@davidbeppler3032]

@@davidchen3643 Subaru only sells half a million cars a year. 80% still on the road after 10 years is impossible, more than 20% will have been in accidents that remove them from the road. What Subaru meant was "Our cars last 200k miles before engine or transmission failure" Rich Rebuilds bought a 2012 totaled Model S. He never put a new battery in it, he uses totaled drive units, and the door handles only cost $3 each. Also Rich loves his Tesla, and is just an angry man because Tesla will not allow him to use superchargers. Why? Because not every shade tree mechanic is like Rich. Most would cause a fire and kill someone. I expect to replace a lot of tires, a few windshield wipers, a set of brake pads, and a few gallons of windshield wiper fluid. That is all. Enjoy your Subaru for 10 years before you have to sell it because you can't afford to fix it.

[@rono33]

265 / 303 = .875 (aka 12.5% not 17%) 17% off 303 miles would be 251 miles not 265. Just sayin :P Very informative vid tho and thx for sharing. I wonder how much of your degradation happened in the first 1/2 of those miles...Would love to see degradation over the NEXT 12 mo since it's supposed to trail off, NOT be a flat curve.

[@user-rt7of1ic3l]

Thankfully I own Nio and I don’t bother with degradation nor range anxiety, plus I get the latest battery technology haha

[@eugeniustheodidactus8890]

Typically, these batteries will degrade early on and not get worse. But, no EV should have less than 400 miles of real USABLE range. We are actually still in the dark ages.

[@mebeingU2]

Eugene is…, your opinion on the 400 miles in the minimum.

[@eugeniustheodidactus8890]

@@mebeingU2 You always need to cut 30% off the advertised range for real world driving. So my model Y is advertised at 330 miles of range, but you'll never get close to that. ( 200 miles of range on the highway. )

[@bearlemley]

It’s not a “hidden truth” This is in the manual. It’s all over online and you can find this information before you are an owner. When you supercharge, you don’t have to go to 100%. 👎🏼

[@rogergeyer9851]

Batteries are rapidly continuing to improve. No one is making you charge to 100% -- especially not frequently. If you're going to deliberately constantly do what is KNOWN to be "terrible for the battery", complaining about the consequences is ridiculous.

[@Datacorrupter234]

Degradation isnt linear. it plateaus out for the majority of its life cycles and then falls off a cliff and is worthless. why do think so many people get battery replacements in teslas at pretty low miles cause of owners like this

[@darkhorse2reign]

Devil's advocate: It's a little odd to me that anyone making 150k (USD)/year is buying a car to remain efficient. It's more of an observation than a critique but a critique nonetheless. I ordered a July 2023 MY myself and am in this category. I could buy a used PHEV Lexus and pay far less and instead I'm on this bandwagon. I have a few more weeks before the vehicle arrives so i can still ponder my delusions.

[@dporrasxtremeLS3]

Is it Time for you to build your own Battery or continue to complain???

[@slivkask8329]

Hmm, my diesel ICE 2018 Honda Civic costs me ~3400€ per year for 30,000 km including maintenance and it gets 800 km per tank. I can always charge it to 100% in 5 minutes and there is no degradation at all. Plus, there was no child labor involved in the making of the car and it will keep running after 10+ years. 😎

[@sherryherzig5135]

Is your house a super-charger?

[@truhartwood3170]

No. Superchargers are insanely expensive. The most you'd have at home is a level 2 charger, which plugs into the same outlet as for a stove or clothes dryer.

[@jean-pierredumoulin8305]

so again 256 milles in a tesla is no good at all. Electric cars need to go 400 milles before everybody abandon their ICE. its not worth it

[@scottbreseke716]

95% of people don't drive more than 31 miles per day. So you've got to get large number of people to drive a whole lot more.

[@AY-dw4om]

A person with your pattern of driving should have got a Prius or corolla hybrid. they do 600 mills (real miles) between refuel. I have one so I know from first person experience. Electric cars are not optimal to long trips constantly like you do. you have short range, range anxiety, battery degradation, etc... you choose the wrong tool for the task.

[@pennyharris446]

All EVs and hybrids if could DC charge, not Tesla only, may experience more than expected battery degradation if charging all the time on DC fast chargers. I have heard only of two occasions where a battery needed changing, unless it was a Bolt, in which case the battery may have caught fire. Have you seen how many Teslas are driving around lately? Statistically, way more ICE vehicles are heading to a mechanic than EVs, and Tesla is as good as it gets. Nothing is 100% perfect. But the battery is not where Tesla fall short.

[@billdavis3957]

I saw a video from an owner of Tesla who said after he charged to 100% many times, Tesla changed the computer in his car so it was impossible to charge more than 80%.

[@specialist-in-tech]

That level of degradation, and real world, 17% and 6%, is atrocious considering the car costs twice as much, insurance is higher, and for the small percent people pay for fuel, and the inconvenience and lost time of charging, there is just no way I’d ever buy an EV. A hybrid gas electric would be way more cost effective and far less polluting. Toyota in the long run is on the right track.