The Hidden Truth Why KOTOR 3 was Cancelled

KOTOR 3 has been long cancelled, but what is the real reason Knights of the Old Republic 3, a fan favourite was abandoned by Lucasarts?
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[@BrasilTvH]

Kotor will be forever my favorite Star Wars games. I'd actually be afraid if EA had a go at Kotor 3.

[@DarkLOREDash]

Wouldn't be the same

[@Pixx2266]

I would be down for it to be honest. Fallen Order is amazing and how they turned Battlefront 2 around is nothing short of a miracle. I hate EA as much as the next gamer, but some KoTOR vs no KoTOR for me is a no brainer. There are still competent, good people under EA in places.

[@4markie]

Hah! EA would completely ruin it. I have no confidence in them at all. All they care about is making money by exploiting player bases. Making a quality game is secondary to that. That's why we have the MMO instead, its way more profitable. The only way to make as much money with a single player game is to actually make it good, which takes a lot of work. I hate EA with every fiber in my body and I will never buy an EA game.

[@AlukardTheDeathknight]

Give it to Respawn if so they did good on Fallen Order

[@logandotters6875]

@@Pixx2266 SWTOR already exists

[@M.T.Z.P]

I'd rather have KOTOR 3 than a new trilogy.

[@declanroberts8934]

@Scott Moore If they totally remade Kotor 1 and 2 it would literally be a top rated game of the year. Honestly they would gain so much positive reputation as a company.

[@mightybasedzao3057]

Same here

[@meganerd14]

Even if it was made by EA? Personally, I dont trust 'em

[@shanilanorthwest]

Same

[@erics8192]

I'd rather have nothing than the new trilogy

[@tripleskipp9880]

The fact that JA only had one year of development, and its still has the best lightsaber gameplay after all these years amazes me.

[@DarkLOREDash]

Agree. Mike Gummelt designed it. Such a pro

[@GrymsArchive]

Miss *The Jedi Academy Servers* and the Light saber class's [JAS]GrymOne

[@monkeysk8er33]

To be fair, it was using the Jedi Outcast engine, so it wasn't like they jumped from Dark Forces 2 to Academy. If they did THAT within a year, it would've been impressive. There's four years between Mysteries of the Sith (1998) and Outcast (2002). But I still love Outcast and Academy regardless.

[@LASCH_B10]

@@GrymsArchive it's still alive as long as players want to keep playing... Also MBII mod

[@nybergsgarage]

Actually, it was running on the Jedi outcast e ngine. Which held the basis for all the lightsaber combat. I you haven't played it before, you should at least watch some videos of it. All four of the single saber styles came from Jedi outcast, they just added katas, and the rolling stab. the story of academy really shows the fact that they had a short time to make it, the player receives almost no training, you just go out on missions and kill all sorts of guys to reach the end of the level. And Rosh, Jadens "friend", had no story buildup to be his friend. They talked like twice and then Rosh turned to the darkside. Not to mention Kyle, Jadens master, always went off to do his own thing on missions, while jaden ran around slashing and shooting people. They had a golden chance to make the best game we've seen of star wars, excellent saber combat, custom characters, but the short development time wrecked the story completely. (Not to mention the gunplay was awful, but that's a whole different tirade there.)

[@danieldosso2455]

Games are no longer made for FANS, they are made for SHAREHOLDERS

[@DarkLOREDash]

Agree 😑

[@bassman0704]

With big AAA publishers yes. But check out smaller studios out there. That's where you find some fantastic titles. Once Lost Games is a newer studio with a ton of potential. With the father of the Elder Scrolls series himself Julian Lefay at the helm of development. Mind you the last Elder Scrolls game he worked on is Oblivion.

[@tsdobbi]

Yes and no. Shareholders aren't going to be happy if fans don't buy the games. What I think you are more referring to is games really aren't made for "niche" audiences much anymore by major developers, they are made for broad appeal. However, "pressure" from shareholders doesn't really help either. Triple A titles are almost always getting released full of bugs, which is a combination of pressure to release and get that money, and convenience of technology in that you can always patch the problems after you get your money. This isn't the old console days where it better work because you cant just push a patch to a cartridge/physical disk.

[@VoldoronGaming]

@Krystal Giove Yes but it also has to go through Disney approval...

[@orvallossenberger6141]

@Prithu hahah found the shareholder

[@LiliumCruorem]

Man KOTOR kinda raised me. I was very lonely kind of neglected kid and games/books raised me. Fucking Revan will always be canon in my heart. I hope oneday the dark times end and we can see Kotor reimagined in our generation. I hope that perhaps my children will have some form of interactive art that is as powerful as KOTOR was for me. It's funny even with all the glaring issues with KOTOR2 it was the first of the two games I played as a kid and thus my favourite of the pair. But man I have to say I'm really not even the most die-hard star wars fan. But KOTOR1/2 will remain my favourite games of all time and it's a shame that there isn't more attention surrounding KOTOR as far as the new disney star wars goes. I mean I don't think I wanna see Disney do Revan, because I don't see a Rise of the Skywalker level incident with my most treasured portion of the franchise. but I don't own it and I'd accept whatever story they choose. But if disney does not cash in on a Old Republic Era live action series I will.

[@mateoreyes6921]

Man, i really want movies of Kotor but with the same direction that the Mandalorian, and if someone have to be Revan, that is Keanu Reeves, he is perfect for the rol

[@LiliumCruorem]

@@mateoreyes6921 actually bro i would be the best Revan. I know more about Revan than anyone could. Sure Keanu could deep dive the lore, play the games dozens of times. But I was doing that as a child. I’m not even interested in becoming an actor. But if disney did decide to do a series like that it would become my ultimate goal to be cast as Revan. I accept that it would likely never happen. Even if I did drop everything and put all of my effort into acting I would probably end up cast as an extra which just being a part of star wars in any way would be cool. But in my heart I know I’m only person on Earth literally born to play Revan in a live action multi part drama series on a premium streaming platform. With hollywood and disney’s love for diversifying roles with actors of different ethnicities I could totally see them casting me (a half black and half irish person) for the role. I know this probably sounds narcissistic but it’a just something I’m really passionate about and even though Keanu would make an excellent fit part of me would be jealous and hurt cause I know I can do that character better than anyone.

[@domingocastillo3701]

Same here a neglected generation raised by video game and book heroes of old

[@mateoreyes6921]

@@LiliumCruorem Well, if you really believe that you are capable of playing one of the best characters in one of the best science fiction universes of the last century, I wish you good luck and that when you are shooting the scenes, get into the character of the same as Ryan Reynolds plays deadpool

[@LiliumCruorem]

@@mateoreyes6921 i do believe.

[@Emperor_Toxatine]

I definitely would like to see a video about the 20 unreleased games.

[@jadenkorr32]

Same here. Not interested in the new stuff. Would like to see what we should’ve gotten.

[@seb6226]

Yes please there’s 1 on KZbin. But another one would be great. So many amazing games lost: 1. Kotor 3 2. SW BF3 3. SW 1313 4. SW First Assault 5. SW TFU3 6. SW Darth Maul Game 7. SW game about Luke’s son Ben sky walker 8. Republic commando 2 9. SW Jedi academy 3 10. Some other games letting u play as a Wookiee

[@Lafuerza_V]

Let us know

[@mmaboxingclips2407]

Defo wanna hear about the canceled games

[@The_GeekLeak]

I literally own a game informer I got in the mail with Darth maul being the cover cause the Darth mail game was in development

[@briana208]

I fell in love with kotor because of the D&D leveling mechanics, the D20 system, and the epic story that can be played many times without ever tiring of it. Sadly i dont think EA would make a good kotor 3... somehow or other, the whole game would be turned into politics and monetization...

[@DarkLOREDash]

I hear ya

[@ZeroSensed]

I don't remember seeing political stuff in Jedi Fallen Order. Cere doesn't count because she is essential to the story.

[@vulthurmir2478]

Frankly, not a big fan of D20 system, because it can things make more confusing than necessary with all new abilities that you don't really need. Also I hate RNG deciding you do minimal damage or you cannot hit a massive and slow target.

[@briana208]

@@vulthurmir2478 i respect your opinion on that totally. There are many game systems out there and most include RNG to a greater or lesser extent. I feel the d20 system is a good balance between a simple system I can understand, yet it can be a system that takes me a while to master (which gives me the feeling of always learning something new about the game). Appreciate your input, I can see where your coming from there:)

[@vulthurmir2478]

@@briana208 yup, especially when a blaster bolt should kill in 5 shots at most (exclude creatures who put all but one intelligence, charisma and wisdom points into constitution/strength) likewise with lightsaber slashes, excluding misses or damn good armour, but latter doesn't apply to lightsabers unless it disables them on contact or the like.

[@BrainBoop]

I just want a reboot 😂 where they change NOTHING but graphics and add the deleted content back! I’m a PlayStation guy but I’d switch to Xbox real fast

[@UberSeamus]

This

[@dhu55ein9]

I bought an xbone just to replay both kotors

[@danielturner2486]

Every reboot get wrecked, all we want is the same game, just better graphics smother game play and deleted content finished for the game, but what we always get is changed story different game play.

[@randomdude5993]

Honestly I would prefer actual remake Gameplay aged rly bad I would prefer if they would give it more modern gameplay, mission design (markers on map, better objectives screen and stuff like that), new items and more customization If I would like to have better graphics and cut content I can download mods - I want completely new gameplay (something Witcher style) I don't want to play same thing again, I want to play new game with same story

[@randomdude5993]

@@danielturner2486 if you want same game with better graphics you can download mods Gameplay in kotor sucks, you can't disagree - it would be way better if they would update it

[@Krom1hell]

Even though I liked M-ass Effect, would have loved a Kotor 3 more

[@AeneasGemini]

That's like choosing who your favourite child is, I could, but I'd rather not

[@dritzzdarkwood4727]

Bioware lost its way a long time ago, just like Bethesda.

[@jdubb6557]

So true ☹

[@nicholasrickhoff2912]

Bethesda? You mean Microsoft?

[@MrWill9002]

And Ubisoft as well

[@mrzoonix6368]

and blizzard

[@XDarkStrikerX]

After Kotor, Baldur's Gate, Jade Empire, Mass Effect, Neverwinter Night and Dragon Age, it is so sad... it really was the best a few years ago. The quality of these games was unreal.

[@davetheimpaler204]

KOTOR 2 is definitely my favorite of the two; much more ambitious gameplay and narrative more to my taste. I understand people who prefer the first game because it feels more "complete" and the storyline is less esoteric but given the choice, I would always rather play 2. (love them both though) And I've never played the fan mods that patched up the game yet, just on Xbox.

[@DarkLOREDash]

Agree. Never ever play the Droid planet, though.

[@illumi9044]

Kotor>Kotor 2 for me

[@stanleycrowley9333]

You can try out the restoration mod, it is great. However, I do not recommend the mod that restores the M4-78 droid planet. It makes feel the game completely dead (which in fact the tone of the game to begin with) and even more unfinished that it is. Kotor 2 has a lot of potential, but I think the reason why people choose the first one over this simply because Kotor 1 feels much like Star Wars, while Kotor 2 tries to be something more than Star Wars. It provides depth and complexity to the universe that could be hard to swallow on your first playthrough. However, I personally enjoy this complexity and prefer this depth over everything we got in the sequel trilogy.

[@aamirrazak3467]

Agreed I prefer KOTOR 2 w restored content mod to the original but to each their own

[@jamesvinson3998]

@@aamirrazak3467 After completing KotOR II with the restored content mod, I can agree with you and say that I prefer playing KotOR II that way. I installed it manually on my Windows XP desktop.

[@Emperor_Toxatine]

You're right Kotor 2s development was a "harbinger" of things to come. I'll see myself out.

[@DarkLOREDash]

😍😍😍😍😍🤣

[@RexVenge95]

I understood that reference.

[@bassman0704]

Nice

[@Regularguy220]

@@RexVenge95 i didnt

[@aamirrazak3467]

Very nice reference

[@denimz01]

The feeling and reaction I got from Kotor's 1 plot twist made me fell in love with the series. It's a shame they didn't continue but hopefully they'll come around.

[@James-xx1ro]

I love the mass effect trilogy but geez BioWare... they've developed a bad habit of dropping the ball. Kotor was and still is amazing especially with Obsidian behind story writing, its a shame they didn't go through with KOTOR 3

[@aamirrazak3467]

Agreed I would’ve loved to see obsidians KOTOR 3 they did great w KOTOR 2 imo

[@justondoc9983]

Man I would buy KOTOR 3 in a heartbeat. Love the series. Would like to see it on all consoles and PC

[@dar-nakkallig]

In that intro, you mean the ”Prissy Jedi Princess” Bastila... Lol

[@DarkLOREDash]

I was searching for a great descriptor & you got it

[@duncanbrodie3697]

Haha youre not wrong at all

[@dar-nakkallig]

Game LORE Dash I was merely quoting a Mandalorian Bastila talked to...

[@PapitoQinn]

@@dar-nakkallig Well Canderous said: "Spoiled Little Jedi Princess"

[@davetheimpaler204]

@@PapitoQinn Mission called her "you prissy little..." in a pretty funny interaction.

[@Milk_with_chunks]

And while they’re at it, another republic commando game would be nice

[@DarkLOREDash]

So many missed opportunities

[@israelhammans7329]

For real! Imperial commando or something like that especially with the bad batch added a little back

[@MrBusterpalmer]

Another missed opportunity

[@nfnc1292]

The things I would do for kotor 3

[@Milk_with_chunks]

Perhaps, one day there will be a new knights game...

[@wordlesslfiddling]

Or a new republic commando game

[@happzy]

I honestly don't know if that would be good. Times have changed so much I rarely see a game with really good plot these days and Kotor 1 and especially Kotor 2 had such a great, mature plot that I can't imagine any todays developer being able to come close to the quality of past releases. Just look what happened with Mass Effect: Andromeda. Maybe if Casey Hudson was involved in the project they could pull off something fairly good, I don't know.

[@jos6884]

maybe a reboot for canon, and i’d love to see the first game on a new game engine

[@Ghost-ql3hl]

Disney would never allow us to have that

[@MarkoMijuskovic]

Almost 20 years later, and it is still the best video game I ever played!

[@AuraGuy-ie2yz]

I just recently beat kotor easily one of my favorite star wars game

[@DarkLOREDash]

Truth

[@riddick729]

This video, while excellent completely broke my heart. I remember the day i purchased Kotor 1 and the odyssey it took me on. The second one while it felt incomplete was also a fantastic voyage. I miss those games, now they are only whispers of what great star wars games were.

[@NoBuddy89]

They are still around and better than ever thanks to fan patches? I'm playing kotor 1 as I write this for the ... oh I dont know, 40th time?

[@prodmemo]

@@NoBuddy89 what are fan Patches bro, where do I get them?

[@theblade1251]

It's the year remasters and remakes I dont seem to know why arent they remaking or remastering KOTOR. I mean we have demon souls, modern warfare, command and conquer, and final fantasy 7 remastered/remakes games that everyone liked which I dont seem to bother why arent they joining in the bandwagon dont they wan't money and generate more fans?

[@Bhutchin09]

Even mass effect

[@UnknownbronyChannel]

@@Bhutchin09 mass effect isnt that outdated... kotor needs a juicy remaster more than any other remasters but still zilch, prob cuz EA sucks ass

[@Bhutchin09]

@@UnknownbronyChannel yeah....that was my point lol

[@Lonewolf-ei5yv]

I would really like a remastered directors cut of kotor 2.

[@Ghost-ql3hl]

Disney doesn’t want anything from Legends gaining popularity. Exhibit A: High Republic

[@OffBrandCourier]

This is our imperial era people. One day a new hope will rise and save our kotor dreams

[@dritzzdarkwood4727]

"Aye, I wish to know more about these 20 unreleased games and the power of the Unseeing Eye. Show me!"

[@OmegaTheMyth]

You can tell SWTOR kind of just destroys the legacy of KOTOR to pave way for itself. They aren't the same, really. KOTOR 1 & 2 were building up to The Exile and Revan coming together and forming an alliance of sorts with all the people you met and went through journeys with in the first two games to fight the monster-like True Sith. Obsidian even says the True Sith were meant to be these monsters with character depth and unique abilities, instead we got a carbon copy OT Empire. In Revan's own novel, we get contradictions to his masterful planning and genius. The novel and game turns him into some kind of puppet for Vitiate who was doing his bidding fighting the Republic/Jedi, instead of trying to convert them into his own Sith to stand a fighting chance. Instead of a climactic showdown between the forces under Revan and the Exile against the True Sith, we get an unceremonious ending where Revan easily loses, and The Exile is just instantly killed by betrayal from Scourge because he had a vision about how much money SWTOR is gonna make. Hell, at least The Exile didn't get turned into a maniac just there for that fan-service and an expansion pack. RIP Revan.

[@majoraswrath240]

*Kathleen Kennedy's name gets mentioned being involved in any way, shape, or form... "Ah, say no more"

[@miyuden4118]

Yeah, if Kath is involved I'm out fk that...

[@edwilloughby7991]

Definitely, NO!

[@dyingbreed5386]

Although I really hoped for a KOTOR 3 I would have been happy to see 1 & 2 remastered and released together for PS4 / XBOX. Like what Sony did with Unchanged.

[@DarkLOREDash]

I mean, if Mass Effect gets a face lift, anything is possible!

[@tsdobbi]

@@DarkLOREDash I think that is more of a marketing effort for the new Mass Effect game they are working on. I mean I was surprised. After the Andromeda situation it seemed like EA was just going to cancel the ME Universe.

[@steelmongoose4956]

I assume the KOTOR remake will be a pile of hot political garbage.

[@dyingbreed5386]

@@steelmongoose4956 I fear you are probably correct which is why I said hoped instead of hoping. I fully expect if they were to make KOTOR 3 any time soon it will have a simple story, mostly linear play, and a woke agenda. I'm sure they will attempt to make up for it with pretty cut scenes and character cameos. After all that seems to be the go to these days; have a crappy game? Just pack it full of easter eggs and fancy cut scenes.

[@Tinhead426]

HK-47 will forever be my favorite droid.

[@DarkLOREDash]

Right? I five a close second

[@aaronaquila1872]

Oh how I wish aperion wasn't canceled. Wanted to share the amazing story with my buddies.

[@justmike75]

Super sad... I dropped console gaming about 7 years ago... the only thing that would tempt me to pick it up again would be KOTOR 3. Super sad

[@shrilleth]

Even if it does happen, don’t bother. Gonna come to PC anyways, with better controls and better modding support, which I know for a fact is gonna be just as big, if not bigger than the two existing games

[@jayklary6936]

I remember that on my second play trough i named my character Revan... "I am no Revan, im Revan " :)

[@ranoutofideasforaname9673]

I hope we never get another KOTOR game, I'd like the series to end good and not get tainted by EA.

[@Monstero5o]

I played kotor 1 & 2 a few years after the release. After finishing kotor 2 and checking when 3 is coming out and finding out it never coming out...I cried.....

[@Charles-Darwin]

I just played through 1 & 2 since COVID. They're the best games imo

[@donaldcharles3331]

2 was great my biggest complaint is the ending

[@Charles-Darwin]

@@donaldcharles3331 yeah I agree it drops off a cliff. I wish there were more lightsaber parts to swap out, they did the mod part right... I swear I checked every single container and couldn't find much.

[@donaldcharles3331]

@@Charles-Darwin I did e joy the simplicity of mods vs mods in current games it has gotten way more complicated, games now are either too complicated or too simple

[@ryanregan3354]

Did you apply the restored content TSLRCM and M4-78 mods to KOTOR 2? I thought they were a good addition. deadlystream.com/

[@donaldcharles3331]

@@ryanregan3354 can you add mods to xbox or only PC?

[@chrischin_94]

That list of 20 cancelled games peaked my interest

[@DarkLOREDash]

Its pretty robust, will get on it

[@grantshearer5615]

I wanna see a dark side trilogy that is as brutal as 300. Lots of deadly fights, but no swearing. Maybe some tasteful nudity. Basically, a star wars trilogy for the original fans.

[@thecrownprince888]

No swearing but deadly fights? Lol doesn't sound right I would like to insult and taunt my opponents in the game

[@grantshearer5615]

@@thecrownprince888 a movie I said.

[@thecrownprince888]

@@grantshearer5615 my bad lol

[@jayklary6936]

Darth Bane trilogy? Just not told by darth mickey

[@loganlaslo8718]

I’ve been working as a 3D modeler and a Generalist for about 5 years now. This video has the evidence and the talking points but the main answer should have been clear. BioWare had a overestimated development cycle for the size of their company at that time. They wanted to focus on other titles and not just stick to one to hope to replicate what they did with Kotor. All gaming companies that have had at least one successful title must be willing to venture other paths to expand and BioWare had two in mind between the end of 2004 to 2007 which was Jade Empire in 2005 and Mass Effect in 2007. One title was never heard from again and the other...it put BioWare basically at the forefront of gaming so you win some and you lose some....it happens. As for the EA debacle that happened shortly before Mass Effect launched, at the time it looked and still does look like a good idea for BioWare to be bought by EA since they know their stock will go up cause Mass Effect success, it’s all about money. A company that holds most of your shares decides what you’ll be releasing and if Kotor 3 isn’t pitched as being a huge success...they won’t make it.

[@Gamesplayed15]

I'm not saying your wrong... Im just saying I don't like it. Lol well put though.

[@caad5258]

TLDW: Corporate Greed and incompetence.

[@PaulDodd]

+1 for the unreleased titles explainer :) Thanks as always for digging around and finding interesting content like this too!

[@DarkLOREDash]

Thanks mate, my pleasure! The 20 + cancelled titles kill me though

[@PaulDodd]

@@DarkLOREDash Very understandable. I've been a Star Wars fan ever since I was little. I remember reading all these headline you reviewed here and thinking much the same thing as you mentioned. How on earth would it be bad for LucasArts to spread the IP around to a bunch of different publishers, letting them pay you for the naming rights and shifting the risk of development around to other studios? I remember being really disappointed to see them silo the IP into one place...especially when it was EA, but then get really excited to see an old republic era MMO that was being developed by Bioware! I still love SWTOR and keep coming back to it every year or so as it's just plain fun to play through the core story, but man...the amount of other great titles we could have had hurts to think about. I'd gladly take 10 disappointing cash grab turds for every 1 great Star Wars game.

[@RyanTheDark]

Statement: I would rather have Revan and the Exile given the ending they deserve. Exclamation: Their endings was trash! The Revan novel should have never been made, Kotor 3 should have been, and Swtor should have left Revan and the Exile out of it!

[@irutyapzoei]

Exactly !!

[@NoBuddy89]

What ending was that exactly? Have you even played the story out in swtor? I felt it ended in a very good place personally :P

[@RyanTheDark]

@@NoBuddy89 Answer: Yes. Truthful Statement: I found Swtor to be a decent game. Conclusion: Such pheromone-driven responses never cease to decrease the love I have for Kotor but the Revan novel, especially the ending, make me wish I could put a blaster pistol to my brain the day I decided I thought I was smart enough to read that novel and pull the trigger.

[@FuryanJedi13]

They definitely deserved better.

[@deeta000]

The Revan book felt like a rushed ad for the mmo. It should have been a trilogy.

[@lasuzzoeagle1]

I still remember the first time I played Kotor. I was blown away by everything. Hell. I was on Taris for probably 20 hours discovering every little detail and lore. And I was honestly shocked that my character was revan the first time I played it. I mean I know I should have put 2 and 2 together but I was also 8 years old at the time so I really wasn’t able to do comprehensive problem solving like that lol. So yeah the first installment was an absolute memory. And then my all time favorite moment was when you crash on rakata. The lore was so immense on that planet. And that’s where the major plot twist happened.

[@shrilleth]

Because EA wanted an MMO and Star Wars: Galaxies had recently shut down

[@InternetSupervillain]

Kotor 1 changed my life when I was18. I was actually drifting away from gaming at that point, it pulled me firmly back in. Interesting vid for sure, thanks.

[@scooty1003]

A kotor 1 remake with an updated combat system and better graphics would be incredible

[@DarkLOREDash]

Id love something updated. Real time is too much to ask for, but a man can dream

[@tsdobbi]

It was already in progress by fans, but lucasfilm got it shut down. www.eurogamer.net/articles/2018-10-12-oh-no-lucasfilm-has-shut-the-star-wars-knights-of-the-old-republic-unreal-engine-4-remake-down

[@scooty1003]

@@tsdobbi I know I was super bummed when it was canceled a couple years ago

[@LowSpecLinuxLaptop]

I would want to keep turn based comvat

[@fuzzyninja6496]

Kotor has to be one of those games you can always go back to and enjoy over and over. Love the game so much!

[@michaelmoore2961]

would anyone else want a prequel of kotor where you play through the mandalorian wars?

[@captainslender12]

It would probably be enjoyable, probably leading some special unit or the likes.

[@chrisbrooke123]

Noticed you used abit of my Revan video at the start there haha that took me by surprise.

[@petertekippe5391]

Disney is a dumpster fire...

[@thebeaver8456]

Kotor 1 and 2 will always be my favorite games of all time I've put more hours replaying these games than I have with Skyrim and that's saying something. Also it's my first watching your videos. Pretty good just subbed

[@DarkLOREDash]

Thank you.

[@thebeaver8456]

@@DarkLOREDash welcome man you did a damn good job making this video

[@adumbcanadian773]

I really loved the first one, shame the third one never came.

[@zechariahdsiler]

You did some great journalism work here man! Most impressive.

[@DarkLOREDash]

Thanks mate!

[@Maverick8t88]

KOTOR 2 is, in my opinion, vastly superior to KOTOR. The story is amazing, the gameplay has some good choices that make things easier and I just like the play better. The Restored Content Mod makes it the best game of all time IMO.

[@spapsthespycrab718]

@Daniel Kelly Kotor 1 story is bland and generic. Great taste m8.

[@ixis]

"Greatest plot-twists of all time" AKA: The same plot-twist in BG1, BG2, and Jade Empire. BioWare can only do two endings: 1) You were secretly the bad guy/child of the bad guy the whole time. 2) You have to die to defeat the bad guy.

[@ixis]

For the RPG newbies out there, Obsidian regularly has better writing than BioWare, but their games are released too early and with hundreds of bugs, so nobody plays them. Of course, it doesn't matter, since BioWare fans seem to forget what happened in each game. That or they don't actually play RPGs for the story, which would also make sense.

[@HarrowKrodarius]

@@ixis What about new vegas?

[@blackbeardbarkbark]

Kotor! Darth revan! Edit: 4:54 I see what you did there. Edit2: I'd like to think that kotor 3 never happened because the technology wasn't there. It was obvious they had grand plans, which the technology wasn't there to do it.

[@robineir]

I was wondering why Kotor 2 pretty much made two smaller seemingly cheaper versions of previously used Planets. So hearing they only had a year to develop it really makes sense. And it puts the rest of the game even higher in my opinion since they had so little time to do it, refine the combat system, make new items, birth the influence system, and record three days worth of Kreia speeches and rants.

[@condeuiosandilixtos7858]

I'm intrigued by the other 20 games. Please do post about them! Regarding KOTOR, I suspect that if any of the upcoming movies is set during the High Republic or even the Old Republic (possibly much later in the future) and is well received, EA will be prompted to develop a game that takes place during those eras.

[@agroed]

What not many people realize is that LucasArts was basically the EA of the 2000s. Nearly every game they published, especially of the Star Wars franchise was greedily rushed out before they were ready. Games like Republic Commando (also a beloved Star Wars game with a missing sequel) had an entire fourth of the game that was cut for time, and so did KotOR 2.

[@DarkLOREDash]

Its a shame to be sure

[@johnthedon8202]

Imagine if cd project red made a Kotor game

[@DarkLOREDash]

Wow. Id say Bethesda or Ravensoft even but its not 2005 sadly. Cdprojektred = the last jedi

[@tsdobbi]

@@DarkLOREDash It's only a matter of time before someone makes them an offer they can't refuse. Lets be honest. When EA buys up developers, it isn't for them to keep churning out quality titles under the EA banner, it's to eliminate competition.

[@Amoogus]

Or a Star Wars game in general. Come to think of it imagine if a studio BESIDES EA made it?

[@stanleycrowley9333]

Cd project is so damn overrated. Their witcher is pretty mediocre and I genuinly do not think that it is even an ok game. Their cyberpunk game will be the most boring looter shooter in the history. Can't wait to watch this upcoming trainwreck.

[@Gamesplayed15]

@@stanleycrowley9333 I thought the witcher was pretty damn good. But I do get the feeling cyberpunk will fall flat. I'm sure it will get tons of amazing reviews by a horde of streamers and reviewers, but I honestly haven't seen anything too amazing to make it any more than Theif with guns... In the future... With kiano reeves (excuse the spelling).

[@trayolphia5756]

8:32 ahh the fond memories seeing those FULL THROTTLE bike models...

[@justanotherguy2120]

I just wish KOTOR 2 was on the Google play store like KOTOR 1 is for Android

[@Scruffy-Janitor]

It might have been to buggy to easily port I hope they do too though

[@AeneasGemini]

The Restored content mod solved most of the problems of the second game, the story was overwhelmingly superior, but I shudder to think what a 3rd game made by EA would look like

[@Jackmcwilliams]

This video makes me irrationally angry in regards to how my favourite games of all time were not continued due to one mans ineptitude as business

[@josephbugeja3208]

Because Disney wanted *a clean slate* without anything prior to the Prequel trilogy to anchor them to the Pre-Disney established SW source material. Plus Disney also doesn't believe in encouraging of the creation of *non-cannon* SW source material we'll *NEVER EVER* get anything remotely related to SW KOTOR ever again because *EVERY SINGLE THING THAT HAPPENS IN SW ABSOLUTLY HAS TO BE CANNON & THE VERY NOTION OR IDEA OF A SW GAME WITH "ANY KIND OF MULTIBLE CHOICE" IMMEDIATLY BREAKS THAT CANNON CONTINUITY LIKE A LARGE SACK OF HEAVY BRICKS BEING SMASHED THROUGH A VERY PAPER THIN GLASS WINDOW!..* & it really pisses me off that Disney doesn't have *THE BALLS* to just make any non cannon SW source material that's *ACTUALLY MOTHERFUCKING ENTERTAINING WITHOUT EVERY SINGLE NEW CHARACTER HAVING TO SPONTANEOSLY DROP DEAD, EVERY SINGLE NEW PLANET INTRODUCED IN SAID GAMES SPONTANEOSLY COMBUSTS & THE MINDS OF EVERY SINGLE LIVING BEING IN THE ENTIRE GALAXY BEING ERASED "MIB STYLE" JUST BECAUSE THE MOVIES NEEDED TO HAPPEN* but *NOOO..* if it ain't *CANNON* than it doesn't ever exist in any way shape or form "outside of your very own *ISOLATED* imaginations!.." 🤨

[@jacobmeagher]

For me, I never got to finish the first kotor but was able to finish kotor 2, despite of its bugs and cut content, I absolutely loved it especially when the modding Community made the restored content mod making it far more fleshed out, a lot more opportunities to develop your character of choice and to get more involved in the story, I have and still love it even to this day.

[@DarkLOREDash]

True story! Except that damn droid planet

[@jacobmeagher]

@@DarkLOREDash that droid planet, was meh, trust me it wasn't that bad but it could've been better, plus I remember doing the special HK47 mission a couple of years ago but now recently during this year couldn't do it, plus many other modders added in other planets and textures for the characters, planets amongst many other things.

[@tsdobbi]

@@jacobmeagher I know graphics aren't everything and I loved Kotor 1 and 2, but man I tried to play KOTOR 2 again in the past couple years, and it was just hard to get into with the dated graphics. Even with updated hi rez texture mods. I was really looking forward to that KOTOR 1 mod that was essentially porting the game to the Unreal Engine, but it got shut down by Disney. Which I don't understand why, I mean yes, for all intents and purposes it would be a "new game" in a new engine just telling the same story, it still was ultimately a mod and required you to own the original game...and it was obviously free.

[@jayklary6936]

@@tsdobbi as to why... do you really need to ask why is darth mickey doing anything? Its for the $. No $ for darth mickey, no game.

[@Dancestar1981]

I finished the first one but couldn’t finish the second one too tough still enjoyed it though

[@margaretcarley5066]

Good video my lore Dash

[@DarkLOREDash]

Thank you marg 😍

[@AlecFortescue]

Swtor is kotor 3, 4, 5 and so on. ;) SWTOR's f2p system is really good and fair.

[@DarkLOREDash]

Im glad you like it, just not a true KOTOR game

[@FromTheHood]

No it isn't, their f2p sucks. SWTOR will never be KOTOR 3.

[@OmegaTheMyth]

Are you kidding? SWTOR shits on the legacy of KOTOR, SWTOR should have been it's own thing. Revan becomes a deranged toy for fan service and DLC, and the Exile just unceremoniously dies. The Sith conceptualized in KOTOR3 sound way more intimidating than the boring, Original Trilogy carbon copy Empire in the MMO. Also, such a game entirely carried by the story shouldn't be transformed into an MMO.

[@Arauto_Kagnos]

SWTOR is more akin to a spin-off really, and a great one at that.

[@karenhindson1695]

Crikey! I love you vids even though I have never played any of these games.....erm already too old

[@DarkLOREDash]

Back atcha

[@HighmageDerin]

There is no hidden reason as to why it was canceled. EA couldn't monetize the shit out of it that's why it was cancelled!

[@Bhutchin09]

That’s not true at all lol. Kotor 3 would have come out well before ea bought BioWare in 2008

[@HighmageDerin]

@@Bhutchin09 that may well be, but as far as I'm concerned every developer that sells out to one of these men corporations who care nothing nothing more than to squeeze every last dime out of the audience oh, they deserve every bit of backlash harsh reputation and misinformation that comes their way! So yes as far as I'm concerned it is because of EA! And as I'm on a permanent boycott for life for anything EA publishes oh, it doesn't worry me that 3 was never made! He destroy one franchise I loved in favor of more Sims server space, you steal from me, when I buy a collector's edition and the key doesn't work and you tell me all your able to give me is a regular key it doesn't have all the collector stuff I paid for, you lose me there too. And finally when you allow my account to be hacked and fight me all the way to damn near Court when somebody else use that account to buy a shit ton of games that I never did, you earn my complete and total Wrath! So yes EA can suck it, and every single developer that signs on with them can suck it too!

[@Bhutchin09]

@@HighmageDerin yeah, not arguing with you there. I don’t see the need to type out all of that when it doesn’t have anything to do with what we were talking about or what actually happened. I will happily shit on ea any day but I’m not going to just blame shit on them that they didn’t do lol. As far as you’re concerned it was because of ea? That means nothing. Try being objective and living in reality.

[@Chr0n0s38]

@@Bhutchin09 EA did wind up being part of the problem, but only because of LucasArts years earlier. KOTORIII could have happened instead of SWTOR if EA were interested in it. But most of the blame definitely falls on LucasArts.

[@BestandGreatestperio]

Good Video my Guy!

[@duncanbrodie3697]

A third installment would be amazing! There is a story they can take of trying to find Revan but i do not think Lucasfilm and EA will because they are very eager to build their own IP with Fallen Order and now Squadrons. I do think Squadrons is the best Star Wars game ever made but it is easy to believe that KOTOR III would take its place as the most amazing star wars game ever!

[@jayklary6936]

Squadrons really? That flaming pice of shite in a bag that they dropped on us? Never did I ever seen a bigger crap, and I watched first 30 min of the last jedi. Btw.ea i want a refund for that trash

[@blushingralseiuwu2222]

The Old Republic is awesome, I honestly choose TOR over KOTOR 3 if given option. Storyline is so good (light side sith and dark side republic ftw), community is awesome and helpful, and still updated even now.

[@Hadorus1]

Yes lets talk about the other games i saw a Vader one!!

[@Emperor_Toxatine]

Thank you Dash for making this. KOTOR 3 will forever be the game I wish we had. Also meatbags are crazy love my boy HK

[@EaGilgamesh]

gamers get together and just make the damn game themselves

[@DarkLOREDash]

Agree. Til Disney put out the cease & desist

[@EaGilgamesh]

@@DarkLOREDash who cares, finish it, put it on torrent lmao

[@tsdobbi]

@@DarkLOREDash Disney already sent out the cease and desist on a MOD that was essential porting KOTOR 1 to the Unreal Engine 4. I mean, it was still going to require the original game to be installed. So it was simply a mod in the purest sense, despite being a rather ambitious one. www.eurogamer.net/articles/2018-10-12-oh-no-lucasfilm-has-shut-the-star-wars-knights-of-the-old-republic-unreal-engine-4-remake-down I can't imagine they would let a stand alone fan made stars wars game fly.

[@sortilien2099]

Kotor 1 is my favorite Star wars story. Kotor 2 is all about descontructing with love starwars mythos to make it your own. I grew with those 2 game as a gamers and a person and don't care if that sounds cheesy.

[@headbangerdnb]

I'm still extremely salty over the Kotor remake getting shutdown. As a mod, it would have required everyone who doesn't already have the game on PC to go out and buy it, so it would have only bolstered sales of a 15 year old game at no expense to EA, BioWare, or whomever was involved, while also scoring a lot of good will points with fans. It was literally a win-win for everyone. And with how close EA and Microsoft are, I doubt the original game having been published by Microsoft would have been a problem here. As for a new Kotor game, I'd honestly rather wait until woke culture is complete gone. I can't stomach the awful, immature, tone-deaf and forced writing in games these days. BioWare are one of the biggest offenders of this.

[@stryletz]

It was Disney that killed the remake mod, and they did it in the most brutal way possible. Literally waiting until the last hour before dropping the hammer, forcing the developers to waste countless hours and money on their project. They did it as a message to all modders, and it worked.

[@headbangerdnb]

@@stryletz This always happens though. I don't know why modders just don't keep quiet until the project is finished and out in the wild.

[@undeadblizzard]

@@headbangerdnb If they did that no would know. Marketing is important especially in these days where they is something new and shiny. People need to know so it stick in their brain.

[@headbangerdnb]

@@undeadblizzard Not at all. It's a mod. Keep it under wraps until it's finished, then release it. There are enough youtube channels that jerk off Kotor constantly to get the word out.

[@undeadblizzard]

@@headbangerdnb That could work.

[@Codester91670]

Yeah I want KOTR 3 now, but please make the party size bigger than 3. That's why I liked dragon age gamed for the 4 member party system

[@Selvares]

i would take kotor 3 over swtor every day

[@DarkLOREDash]

Agree

[@michaelkantner6420]

I initially was a fan of Star Wars Galaxy. I had started a Wookie brawler and I had him outfitted pretty well, then along came an update which NERFED my character and made the weapons that I was using obsolete. Thanks a lot Lucas Arts for screwing up what was supposed to be a great game. Now I play SWKOTOR online, which is still really good, but I miss playing a Wookie. I really think that the devs should make the Wookie race a playable race, if not them then I would like to see the Devaronians, I think that they would make AWESOME Sith!

[@Adam-082]

Look what happened with swtor lol its just one big microtransaction mess.ea and bioware are just milking peoples love for star wars and its sad.

[@DanSlotea]

How is swtor a big microtransaction mess? I haven't had any microtransactions since I've resumed playing in April after 6 years and I don't remember microtransactions back then.

[@AlukardTheDeathknight]

@@DanSlotea true I'm back into it after a 4 year hiatus and DAMN they changed it alot i want to get my hands on premium now. And I'm still with the Mando clan i joined 4 years ago the welcome back from them was welcoming being back on discord with them

[@charlestownsend9280]

Have you played swtor? You don't need to pay for anything. The only things you pay for is cosmetics, you can play the main game with no cost and to get all of the expansions you have be subscribed for a month.

[@logandotters6875]

Uhhhh no. If you want to look cool or are going for a specific look you pay microtransactions. Its F2P and offers free expansions just for subbing. It's actually cheaper than wow to play on the current xpac. The best gear in the game can only be purchased with tech fragments/credit cap for preferred players. You can also choose to spend the FREE premium currency they give you for completing achievements/using a security key/referring players/subbing to purchase all the premium play bundles to basically have all the sub benefits on a free account rewarding players who play for extended periods of time. Plus revan is in it. Not sure what you mean by littered with microtransactions.

[@charlestownsend9280]

@@logandotters6875 although I'm subbed (I play it most days, so kind of feel like I should support it) swtor is really easy to play completely for free, it just takes a bit of grinding and your limited a bit on cosmetics and have a million credits price cap but that's really it.

[@takerweapon1]

Hoping Sony makes a deal with EA to have KOTOR Remake series possible. Can't wait to play this series on the PS5.

[@ThePaydayer]

First!

[@DarkLOREDash]

Welcome!

[@ThePaydayer]

@@DarkLOREDash yay

[@ThePaydayer]

Been watching your stuff since Diablo lore :)

[@PepijnLinden]

I will forever love the Jedi Knight series and wonder what 'Jedi Knight III: Brink of Darkness' could have been like.

[@gdriscoll4947]

Witcher 3 is definitely number 1 in my opinion with the kotor games (especially kotor 2) at number 2.

[@randomonio]

I can see obsidian getting another crack at developing their version for kotor 3, especially now that they are partnered with microsoft and them looking to gain more foothold into the singleplayer/rpg battle against sony.

[@DarkLOREDash]

I dunno if Obsidian is the same company as 15 years ago...

[@Skorpys365]

I would love HK-47 to be added to newer games. I evem considered playing dungeong in SW: TOR to get him as a companion (even though I levelled to max level (before the expansions) w/o playing with others. I just love his personality in the KOTOR games 😁

[@HellDuke-]

Don't know if you could see the Disney shut down of Apeiron as infamous. Honestly pretty much everyone knew that was going to be inevitable. Disney is not about to allow copyright infringements go unchecked. I still remember reading their site's FAQ, there was a point on whether it's legal or not and it amazed me at seemingly how little research was done

[@damo8956]

i still play kotor 1 and 2 still to this day! the mmo kotor was okay but never came close to living up to kotor 1 and 2. they seriously need to start working on a third! especially with the tech we have now it would look beautiful

[@Reiver666]

I remember a video from game Informer talking about a canceled Star Wars darth maul game and it showed gameplay footages. Please make the 20 canceled Star Wars games, i need a fresh reminder of the games that had such potential.

[@DarkLOREDash]

Yes, that was very fleshed out! I will but its gonna be rough 😒

[@Reiver666]

@@DarkLOREDash take your time, get as much research done no matter how much it will take.

[@derekfortner4008]

The big take away here appears to be that Bioware were too busy and LucasArts wanted to do inhouse but the investors turned away from story driven games. As much as I love the Jedi Knight Academy game, the short development time shows. Funny how big game companies even then were screwing us over.

[@eddiepowell2931]

I both loved and hated Jedi Fallen Order when I played it. The combat was super fun and exciting, the visuals were nothing less then stunning, but the story just left me wanting for something more substantial. I kept thinking about how if I could make a Star Wars game I would have taken the teams from KOTOR, and JFO, and put them to work on their respective strengths.

[@tedjammers]

Thanks for reminding me about the Apeiron/Disney debacle. Ouch.

[@BlazinNSoul]

Now that Bioware just lost 2 of it's senior executives. One which was the most likely to bring KOTR back! I'd say any chance of a revival is gone. What's equally bad we may loose Dragon Age & Mass Effect as well. As both were the main forces behind those franchises. My guess is Bioware is done!! Next on EA's chopping block here probably. This year has been bad all the way around. R.I.P. 💀

[@thethoughtcriminal8786]

Great video Dash.

[@DarkLOREDash]

Thanks mate

[@TougeAlex]

Great Video, I've wanted to know this shit forever, subbed.

[@mattdespard6576]

It was nice of Disney to destroy both my favourite Star Wars video game and movie series.

[@stargatecommand714]

That wasn't Disney lol, Bioware and Swtor did that

[@mrblank-zh1xy]

I love how he chose the Manaan Aria as the background music

[@michelgellad8666]

Just replaying Kotor 1 for like the 12th time! Its such a shame that a third kotor or remake isnt happening atm! Its only a matter of time and when it happens its gonna be worth the wait!!!!

[@DarkLOREDash]

Masterpiece!

[@justinlast2lastharder749]

I'm old enough to remember Kotor 2 was actually HATED early in it's lifetime...it didn't get love until a few years down the line when it became really good in Hindsight.