The High-Ladder OU Stall Experience

[@galelululu]

most HO vs HO or HO vs balance are all about those moment to moment plays, that one turn that turns it all on its head. this trains you perfectly to lose against stall, where it’s all about pressuring your opponent consistently- but not too much that you lose someone important- but not too little that your Pokémon are starved for hp- JUST enough, for 30-150 turns.

[@kierany9]

This post is 100% pure facts

[@thefaberschannel124]

I don't know why people play stall, it's so boring and stressful

[@quimartolas12]

@@thefaberschannel124 free ladder points when you face unprepared players

[@thefaberschannel124]

@@quimartolas12 yea but it adds very little to your in-game skill in my opinion

[@quimartolas12]

@@thefaberschannel124 i agree that your statement is correct but stall is sometimes very hard to play. stall players need to deal with various stall breakers (mega gardevoir,lopunny,medicham, mawile and others) a«and it takes some difficult mindgames sometimes too.

[@agustinberto6138]

This is why you run earth power on heatran

[@aitusai]

This is why you run taunt prankster

[@AZV0108]

@@aitusai If only Sableye-Mega were tauntable...

[@samuelfaille-denis8098]

@@AZV0108 that's why you run mold breaker taunt

[@zealotoftheorchard9853]

@@samuelfaille-denis8098 this is why scrappy was put on mega lopunny

[@buttergod42]

That’s the real lesson here

[@ziggythezigzagoon9417]

*THIS IS WHY TAUNT IS USED*

[@Super-jx7qw]

No speak hm slave

[@ericlee2433]

THIS IS WHY MAGIC BOUNCE MEGA SABLEYE IS USED

[@martinat3884]

@@ericlee2433 *THIS IS WHY MEGAS WERE REMOVED*

[@HailieSelassII020]

So u can still use magic bounce Xatu? Right..

[@mmnr100]

@@HailieSelassII020 You can, but it is inferior to the megas that have magic bounce... Xatu pretty good in Gen 8 PU!

[@NaviJ98]

i absolutely love the bass boosted Guzma theme when Golisopod does anything at all

[@TheOtherLPer203]

OH! This is why you weren't uploading! You were fighting KZbin in a stall vs stall match!

[@austinhensley6553]

my personal record is 1783 turns took over 3 hours, i feel the stall v stall

[@kierany9]

the important question is did you have fun

[@austinhensley6553]

was gen 5 nu sand stall vs gen 5 nu sand stall, there was no fun to be had

[@lauro.oshiro]

@@austinhensley6553 well, at least..... at least... right

[@soubhiksmp7403]

Did you win?

[@minerve-spagheti]

Do you have cancer ?

[@acanofjuice]

“Wait, it’s all switching” “Always has been”

[@aaronkelly8725]

I understand the pain of stall, but that player, like it or not, knows how to stall well. They played well enough a few misplays on your part would mean a win for them

[@moodycxnt]

Imagine learning how to play stall as opposed to learning how to play literally anything else though

[@christianespiritu1159]

Watching the enemies rage is absolutely worth it though.

[@shpaghettishpaghetti6219]

What is so wrong with stall though?

[@kek13223]

@@shpaghettishpaghetti6219 boring and frustrating to play against, but effective and smart to use nonetheless.

[@meatvortexgaming7134]

@@shpaghettishpaghetti6219 it’s not fun

[@46_2]

I come here everytime I lose to stall, just to release pressure watching stall getting ass-slapped.

[@quimartolas12]

Honestly, after rewatching this video multiple times for over a year and reading through all of the comments, I still love to rewatch it to give me an insight on a Gen I haven't played in 2 years on a team style that I never use. This might be one of your greatest videos yet

[@toniodivichi5749]

Yo wait a sec! In the few months that I have been subscribed to you, I never realized that I've actually played you several times on Showdown. Still, good to see you uploading again. And I dont care what gen it is, if your beating Stall, its GOLD.

[@raviolieothedisgustingsupe4504]

this is genuinely the best showdown editing ive seen. good stuff

[@bobjones5879]

I have never been so mad watching a match of Pokémon Showdown

[@joghnythegurue2710]

I hate how over the generations stall went from "wear you opponent down with hazards status and chip while using you type advatage for reads" (basically an aggro team that kills quick, but uses things that AREN'T attacks to do so) to "prevent your opponent from getting anything done for as long as possible and only try to do any damage when you are COMPLETELY SURE you wont be punished" (pp stall first, actually ENDING THE GAME second). Not to mention the fact that while they were almost always a part of SOME of these teams, chansey/blissey + invincible-phys-wall cores have become the norm (I.E. They dont care about typing, just if a move is physical or special). I mean, WHY do you have spore on your amoongus if you cant take advantage of it by setting up hazzards, boosts OR damage? It just stops you from landing toxics on that pokemon to ACTUALLY KILL THEM. I mostly blame it on defog, just brainlessly removing hazzards, which both made hazzard based gameplay nigh impossible for slower teams and gave people a way of simply removing an opponents damage source inadvertantly BUFFING this kind of play! Like, how cool it would be if stall relied on predicting hazzards correctly and bouncing them with a sableye switch rather than just defoging every other turn and using magic bounce as nothing more than a "get out of toxic free card". But thats just my opinion as an ex-stall player/main who liked when stall could end games in

[@kierany9]

this is the most coherent and based anti stall post i've read will admit, the most fun i've had with stall is when you play it fully unga bunga and do shit like make crazy offensive reads with tanks like Mega Aggron or even with seismic toss Chansey

[@joghnythegurue2710]

@@kierany9 Thank you my good sir and/or madam! But does aggron really count as stall? It's more of a bruiser, what with the attack stat rivaling landorous and lacking recovery.

[@kierany9]

@@joghnythegurue2710 The rest of the team was Chansey/Wish+Protect Clef/Alomomola/defensive Mew/defensive Zapdos, that's semi-stall at least.

[@joghnythegurue2710]

@@kierany9 Well that depends, YOU COULD'VE been running assault vest or choice band mola! /s (though AV mola is OPAF)

[@cabig9838]

Love the pokemon content. Your editing skills are awesome

[@blacksteve1992]

Stall: This is a phycological hazard that even the CIA would consider a crime against humanity

[@RandalfElVikingo]

84 turns just to lose one Pokémon lol.

[@flatemo6117]

I think the stall player's biggest mistake is letting Zapdos worn down, Zapdos could've extended the game a bit if SR and 2 Spikes weren't up

[@sylverpc]

this is an absolute masterpiece that deserves so many more views.

[@Satyr960601]

For this reason, I would really love to see a bulky mon with Pressure that's able to stall like Suicune to get the PP advantage, or even see Spite to come into use!

[@GeneralForster]

Pyukumuku uses spite sometimes

[@TemporarySec]

Man I do not have the patience for stall. I forfeit immediately

[@yareyaredaze9450]

Use a fat bue decently fast taunt Pokémon. Destroys stall. Like max speed max sp.attack Heatran with Taunt and lefties. Fucking 0 answers from most stallers

[@vdd1001]

@@yareyaredaze9450 mega sableye with magic bounce

[@dragicmagic9870]

@@vdd1001 modest magma Storm heatran can 2hko mega sableye, but it's not very reliable because of low PP and accuracy and it's a low chance to Ko without any prior chip damage. Magma Storm z move heatran will destroy mega Sabeleye, but since it's a ghost type it can switch out of the trap. Heatran doesn't have the movepool beat every single stall mon in one set so you still have to play smart but stall can have a hard time against it because it puts huge pressure on how smartly they play the sableye.

[@vdd1001]

@@dragicmagic9870 I didn't say anything about heatran dropping sableye, I just said taunt isn't always an option if there's a mega sableye. But yeah heatran has the most positive matchup against stall because clefable, blissey and pex can't 1v1 it if it connects magma storm

[@AzureSwiper]

Unfortunately, this is exactly what they want you to do.

[@percivalyracanth1528]

When even Motherfucking JEsus Christ of Nazareth is questioning the stall playing style... you know, maybe it isn't all that fun

[@armaggedon390]

This is why I don't play competitive. I play games to have fun.

[@oqo3310]

Trust me, playing against stall can be fun. You have to think ahead, not choke, and keep up your momentum. And there is nothing more gratifying than beating stall.

[@yaboi6851]

@@triganondorf im just wondering how that guy made those blank nicknames lol

[@musa4574]

@@oqo3310 Spending an hour and 130 turns just isn’t fun lol

[@frogmonger6916]

@@musa4574 it’s engaging and actually takes brainpower to defeat lmao. It can feel good, you’ve just gotta have the patience. Stall teams are all about forcing you to lose your cool and make mistakes in hopes of ending the game faster.

[@kmwright19]

@@frogmonger6916 clicking non-effective moves ad nauseum against each other without either party bringing earth power was total brain power there.🙄Seriously, how are you going to tell people their opinion on what’s engaging and condescend by implying that they’re too dumb to know how to deal with it? I’ve beaten stall several times before. It’s obnoxious and there are times where I just immediately forfeit the next opponent that uses stall because I’m not in the mood.

[@doctorxawesomestop-motion1234]

I commend you for being able to actually sit through this

[@Spark-te8kl]

I was on edge the entire time. That was sarcasm. I have never seen such boring gameplay in my life. But I do feel for you man.

[@johnpaulcross424]

Real talk the guy had insane reads

[@gamesnig]

I cant even handle a stall blissey or chansey oh lord.............. DOTS INTENSIFY

[@wandering4104]

2:09 a typical interaction between my mum and dad

[@blueredlover1060]

And I swore getting to 50ish turns was bad.

[@Jackington208]

I fought a good stall player and it got to 150 turns before i resigned. The whole time made me wanna unalive myself

[@Aleeee14]

Dude this is so well edited, cheers

[@user-AADZ]

2:14 when guzma's theme hits

[@Mepphy99]

that Heatran stall makes me think About Ganondorf laugh in Wind Waker when his dream got shattered yeah i felt that way everytime i fough stall

[@butteredsalmonella]

The Virgin OU Heatran vs Heatran vs The Chad Metapod vs Magikarp

[@The-Man-of-Pepsi]

Magikarp gets tackle

[@agustinberto6138]

@@The-Man-of-Pepsi and so does metapod, even electro web iirc

[@disguisedfrog8325]

Metapod vs Metapod

[@goldenhydreigon4727]

Quagsire, who is low tier every Generation: How do you do, fellow top tiers?

[@zhang6754]

Cathartic to watch you win

[@cheesebslls6203]

I was fighting stall a bit ago and won, only because in 140 turns, there wasnt a single scald burn

[@pikasup1696]

personal record over 500 turns lol that dude was going crazy in the chat

[@tsukinoakuma]

vip10086: “I CANT TAKE IT ANYMORE! I JUST WANT TO DIE!”

[@Kaligraphy22]

This video may be a year old but the "Guzma intensifies" parts had me dying. 😂

[@pacho6821]

Stall matches remember me gen 3 and gen 4 infinite battles, what a good time 10 years ago

[@luiseduardodeassisribeiro6459]

I got to 1700 OU in SS and im scared this might be the next thing i encounter

[@G1nSan3]

sub nidoking destroys stall

[@alexchacha09]

@@G1nSan3 how does it break blissey or her little sister?

[@vtmagno23]

@@alexchacha09 Superpower or Focus Punch has been ran on Nidoking as coverage for Blissey.

[@rayes119]

4:02 lol this part is so funny

[@ajaxandachilles7431]

Stuff like this is why dracovish is my favorite Pokemon, that team would've gotten ripped apart. Stall is not fun to fight against (depending on your team, sometimes you just set up a substitute and win), and like the IoA meta was just so stale and stally that I'm glad CT came out and brought back Kartana and Lando-T.

[@yaboi6851]

thats why gen 8 stall just ran a water absorber to deal with vish lol. stall is a reaction to the metagame

[@hangfire5944]

@@yaboi6851 1 year later but i find that alot of stall team innovations and stall games in general happen because of volatile Pokémon such as dracovish. Now that gen 8 is more stable stall is actually considered pretty bad despite most games having a slow pace.

[@myvh773]

4:28 Why is the opposing Heatran switching? It is behind a sub, so it is not immediately threatened by the Golisopod. It could use Magma Storm and see which move the Golisopod is locking itself on (the opponent probably knows it is choice banded at this point). I think I’m missing something though.

[@randomguy6152]

waste of pp he magma storms once wasting a magma storm just for golisopod to survive then gets a free waterfall on the switch regardless

[@Coolmeham]

"say ez aswell" funny cause thats EXACTLY what I would have done

[@professionaltrashcan6758]

Alternate Title: Pain

[@quimartolas12]

Coming back to this video every once in a while :)

[@onekoff8480]

3:58 is this metapod vs metapod again?

[@louiseb3146]

I see that you're a guy of culture. Well, is the anime good culture to have ? Anyway the 2 versus are very alike.

[@JetEriksen]

Stall is heavily underappreciated. There's way too many players that have absolutely no patience and talk bad about stall just because they have no clue on how to beat it. Playing versus stall will truly test just how well you can play the game. It's all about having patience, and not just haphazardly pressing damage buttons. Your description shows that some people out there understand that playing against stall isn't just a waiting game, and that you can definitely beat it with some good plays. Your plays were sick and demonstrated you had the knowledge and patience avaliable to you to beat stall. I play stall all the time, and there's a lot of things regular players might think is bad, such as me staying in on tapu fini as Mega Sableye just to get a knock off on it. But, getting rid of a Tapu Finis leftover is hugely important in dealing with it as a stall player. People just dont appreciate some good stall. Stall v stall is the worst though.

[@quimartolas12]

Seeing stall destroying a toxic players, or some crazy offense destroying stall with some nuclear plays is what makes the play style most interesting for me

[@kmwright19]

Not wanting to spend more than 100s of turns is not “being to impatient”. It’s ridiculous. It’s the same exact type of play style and it’s suffocating if you don’t have that certain specific sets to deal with. There’s nothing underrated about it. Damn near anyone and their mother run it just to get an easy win and to completely waste your time. That lack of earth power from both parties was ridiculous. What’s remotely strategic about wasting pp and clicking useless moves over and over again?

[@cheezebagz729]

Build a better team if stall is beating you this hard ☠️

[@RobloxGuardian]

That's some great editing there.

[@c-8164]

I just faced this team with the addition of Shedninja and Blissey it felt almost impossible to beat. Especially because of wonder guard.

[@magmarman2633]

Oh this... this is why I play VGC now

[@gigiobigio0002]

I LOVE THE BORING PREDICTABLE GAMEPLAY I ABSOLUTELY AM NOT PLAYING SHOWDOWN FOR I FUCKING LOVE THE BORING PREDICTABLE GAMEPLAY I ABSOLUTELY AM NOT PLAYING SHOWDOWN FOR

[@theraginginfernape9496]

The biggest bruh for me is when neither of you have earth power. It's a staple for a reason

[@aidandimitriou5925]

This is a golisopod household

[@waapi1914]

I just want to know what sounds when Golispood punches hard

[@kierany9]

music's in the description "Battle! Guzma - Pokémon Sun and Moon Soundtrack" but extremely bass-boosted

[@bidoof9167]

You restore hopes that hyper offensive team can also destroy staller team.

[@TheRandomshite123]

Best way to beat stall is to outstall them

[@depressedkermit5337]

I think the saddest part is at the end where it said: Ladder score (probably) updated. Imagine if it didn’t.

[@dragicmagic9870]

It always does

[@xyro3633]

Fuck man, that hurt my soul.

[@HannibalKantter]

I don't know how it is I didn't discover your channel earlier. But, oh, well, blessed be the KZbin algorithm. You gained a sub mate

[@qwilliams1539]

What kind of specs Heatran carries Protect, but not Earth Power?

[@DerPavianAdrian]

Stall is fun. Stall is fresh. Stall is a way of life. Don't you love your life? Stall=life. Life, Stall,Life;STAALL. Error. ATTTT STALL! STAll Life StAif.....

[@sirnunyabuiz6529]

I have to say, yes this is old footage, but I absolutely hate it when people use stall just to climb the ladder through cheese, and when someone else is also using a similar or even better stall, this shit never ends. Why can't they make ''balanced'' teams and go with that? That way you won't take damn 130 turns to actually get somewhere and you'd most likely be done in around 40.

[@miketacos9034]

4:07 We’re both bottoms meme:

[@toto789land]

yo wassup i'm on that video i'm pplopp aight

[@kierany9]

Imma be honest, reading the massive spectator peanut gallery that shows up do its thing was the most fun part of being high-ladder

[@toto789land]

@@kierany9 unfortunately they kinda killed that with the auto ticking of the don't allow spectators, which is really a shame seeing people tilting when you yourself took a break (from tilting) gave me life

[@YaiYun]

As someone who just makes theme teams is a high elo worth putting up with this kinda of crap?

[@kevinflynn4649]

Nothing is worth dealing with this

[@The-Man-of-Pepsi]

Absolutely not

[@torrescorpstudios6104]

meanwhile in Konami.... Meme deck users = * it's so weird seeing it from other side* meta deck users = *inaudible screeching*

[@sado2692]

When i see the team has, 2/3 stall pokes i just forfeit..

[@sedricgranger]

Yeah it’s just a waste of time. More than likely your team will either get pp stalled, die painfully slow to their death, or you get impatient and move on. It’s just a waste of time

[@fernandozegarra2637]

I write suck it and forfeit, fucking stalls

[@vtmagno23]

I like playing against stall as long as I have the time tbh. Requires rlly careful playing to break through which I enjoy

[@vtmagno23]

@@fernandozegarra2637 Sorry, meant to say playing against stall. Using stall doesn't appeal to me at all lol

[@kevinflynn4649]

I just type "Nope, gg" and move on.

[@Pooh.Shiesty]

“He played well” man had so many chances to fuck ur Cham with sableye. it’s always the best switch but they never did

[@crazycoolkids00]

Actual high-level stall player here. This guy in the vid, in addition to the above critique by Ethan, didn't preserve his zaps, he let gren get up spikes and allowed rocks-if any stall player lets you get up your hazards, they deserve to lose-didn't keep his medi counters at full health, and took way too long to realize the goli was banded (know your freaking calcs man!). Pressure my ass. There were so many free pit stop heals he could've managed during the heatran section, and he just blundered them away… Much of what it takes to play stall well is knowing when you can sneak in a heal for that blunder you made earlier. Otherwise you'll never last. That and you need to whisper to yourself, repeatedly during the match, "I am cancer. I am cancer. I can just keep recovering…I'm making progress…eventually they'll die." I didn't see that kind of patience from this player. Still, this stall player was half-decent at least.

[@darkknight32920]

Switches when he has a sub up lmao

[@xeno6842]

As someone who only play on occasion I barely deal with this bit when I do... Ugh

[@sapphire1385]

The Gen 3 SFX are great

[@jamesondrinker]

First Pokémon dies on turn 85 LMAOOO *closes the video*

[@GodzillaFreak]

132 turns is pretty normal. Not even breaking 180.

[@deeznoots6241]

Amh not even the infinity turn leftovers Wobbufet mirror match up from before they stopped shadow tag from working on other shadow tag pokemon.(struggle from Wobbufet does so little damage that the leftovers heals it back up to full and neither Wobuffet can switch out due to the opposing shadow tag)

[@lankyaf2868]

great stuff

[@handerborte97]

This is what made me fall out of love with competetive pokemon batteling... I frikkin hate stall

[@StarGamingTime]

Players are not trash at 1700 elo. Opponent : *Tries to toxic Tapu Fini in Misty Terrian.*

[@kierany9]

happens to the best of us

[@Xephyra]

What a game

[@Slateproc]

HOW IS THIS FUN WHY THE HELL DID BATON PASS HAVE TO DIE FOR THIS

[@MrVegetox]

LMAO the cs go headshot sound

[@damocleas]

Is this just a lesson to use earth power heatran and taunt

[@fulltimeslackerii8229]

If I wanted to play stall I’d just play chess.

[@iceicicle3046]

i dont like facing against stall and i dont like play stall either. Clickinng one or two moves over and over and switching occasionally is totally the way that pokemon was intended to be played and is totally very fun for everyone involved

[@yoshiisnotokay2750]

Wait, that was only a 6 minute video....

[@btu1734]

My record was 300 something and it went on for I think 1 hr and it’s was ORAS. The depressing part is that I finally broke through and was gonna win, then my mouse on my computer stop working for some reason and I lost to inactivity. It was fine the next match which is what got me even more upset

[@quimartolas12]

Give yourself a pat on the back for handling this for an hour

[@dezao2421]

Honestly, as an old school Gen 1 player, I can't see any fun in stall teams... It's surely not Pokemon at all... That's why Game Freak took out Toxic unless the Pokemon is Poison type in Gen 9 and is implementing damage dealing attacks that prevents healing moves... Those stall moronic features was not what the game intended

[@quimartolas12]

​@icanthinkofanamenot at all

[@ivanrusso3418]

That's why I dropped Pokémon showdown back in the days, got in top 25 and then mega sableye popped out (6th gen ORAS) tbh I have more fun playing nuzlockes than playing online

[@TheXerneasGirl]

SO. MUCH. SWITCHINGGGGGG AAAAAAAAAAAAA

[@little_tater_tot]

1:18 Did he really just try to spore a grass type?

[@kierany9]

He likely read the switch, Bulu can't touch Amoongus and getting hit by a poison move or Toxic would've ended Bulu. It was a good move on his part tbh.

[@giovannithepersian4317]

quagsire :D

[@snowgui4086]

I... Hate... STALL

[@rorozozo5416]

Put all this stall comments aside 5:42 : 1. Thats a nice nickname 2. xDD it doesnt match with the players (Edit: mb they were just watchers)

[@Glassie3731]

Exactly why I stopped playing ou lol

[@peytonalexander5300]

I think I have cancer now.

[@icariamcgordon358]

I thought HDB is savior, but actually help stall even more...

[@starduststriker8792]

at least mega sableye is gone...

[@tbnhyper4562]

tbh he wasnt very good never switched in on the hkj with sableye only like once, mega medi would have been dead alot sooner

[@Samuel-dg4jv]

Sableye only could have switched in once because of rocks, would have been the same result

[@pontiffsulyvahn7442]

Seriously, one pokemon with mean look would've shredded this team :/

[@yokuutsu9097]

OU kinda stopped being fun for me when I kept seeing the same old stall strategy every few games.

[@athanaseruisseau7784]

There has rarely been so few stalls as in OU 8g. I'm not sure if you are not confusing with bulky regenerators teams.

[@GeneralForster]

I enjoy stall