The Historical Countries Iceberg Explained (Part 1)

[@EmperorTigerstar]

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[@Polishballuyofyouguys]

hi

[@athishnirup1815]

Suggestion, can you please also do one thing on the illyrian provanice Republic created by Napoléon, they were a puppet but still had free riegn to whatever they wanted.

[@teddyboragina6437]

nooo, why wouldn't you upload the 40 min version. do you still have it? can you upload it somewhere??

[@robertjarman3703]

Couldn´t Empire of Vietnam refer to Vietnam throughout most of its written history before the French occupied it, or even during French colonialism given that France ruled through an indigenous emperor collaborator?

[@athishnirup1815]

@@robertjarman3703 yeah, they installed a puppet government with the emperor in charge, he was powerless since all the governing, administrative work waz done by French colonial military.

[@AlternateHistoryHub]

Wow I'm excited to go through this! Love to see everyone doing this

[@In_Our_Timeline]

man i agree really loving that people are covering history icebergs know it about time and i really love your video man

[@ThyPandora]

@History Guy That has to do with the iceberg why?

[@littlebeefbeefpro1920]

Man you started this as an April fools joke and now it has grown exponentially

[@rwrwas5912]

@History Guy Wth were you doing in the high thighs store

[@YaBoyRagnarsty]

I'm here because of your iceberg videos... watched all 3 and now I'm getting a million and one iceberg recommendations! 😆

[@TREYtheExplainer]

I’m excited for this one! Great work man! And thanks for the shout out ;)

[@In_Our_Timeline]

lol same bruh

[@Matt-vh2ci]

Do an iceberg on manowl please

[@SHDUStudios]

Woo!

[@Fnidner]

Preston Gang rise up!

[@cagliari5984]

@Ivan Luca Strange person

[@AverytheCubanAmerican]

A short-lived country many don't know about: The Republic of Anguilla Basically in 1967, Britain granted one of its colonies (St Christopher-Nevis-Anguilla) the status of associated state with a degree of self-governance. The people of Anguilla, however, didn't want to remain in a union with St Kitts. And so on May 30 of that year, the St Kitts police were kicked off the island. The new provisional Anguilla government then requested the US to take over, but the US surprisingly, said no. A referendum was held in July and over 99 percent of the island voted to leave the union with St Kitts & Nevis and become its own colony. This referendum wasn't recognized by either St Kitts & Nevis nor the UK and by 1968, an agreement on the island's long-term future still hasn't been reached. In February 1969, another referendum was held (a month after Ronald Webster declared independence) and once again over 99 percent voted in favor of leaving the union, but this time in favor of a republic. In response to this, a month later, the UK sent 300 personnel from the 2nd Battalion, Parachute Regiment and 22 London police officers by helicopter to restore order. While Ronald Webster (the republic's council chairman; leader) fled and went to the UN to promote the island's right to self-determination. So what happened next? Webster became the first Chief Minister (his Anguilla Progressive Movement party still dominates), Anguilla was allowed to leave the union with St Kitts, which they formally did in 1980, but rather than gain independence like St Kitts & Nevis did in 1983, it has remained a British territory to this day. To honor the republic, the coat of arms of the current Anguilla flag was designed with the Three Dolphins flag design of the republic

[@mappingshaman5280]

Anguilla: can we stay your colony? Britain: no but yes

[@fduranthesee]

rip Anguilla should've joined the US

[@mappingshaman5280]

@@fduranthesee why? They wanted to remain a British colony, ultimately that's what they got.

[@shinyaltaria1388]

@@fduranthesee American nationalism be like

[@RandomLorence]

*LAYER 1* 1:17: USA, Japan, France, Brazil, UK 1:26: Netherlands, Germany, Congo, China *LAYER 2* 2:01: Monaco, Liechtenstein, San Marino 2:07: Tuvalu, Nauru 2:11: Bhutan *LAYER 3* 3:29: Rome 3:37: Maya, Aztecs 3:44: Imperial Japan 3:51: Confederates 3:59: German Empire *LAYER 4* 5:16: White Russian Republics 5:31: Provisional Siberian Government 5:51: Far Eastern Republic 6:31: Belarusian People's Republic 7:06: Free Territory (Makhnovia) 8:44: Reichskommisariats 9:39: Vichy France 10:01: Free French 10:20: Independent State of Croatia 10:41: Italian Social Republic 11:18: Azad Hind, Empire of Vietnam

[@Singularity24601]

The first 3 layers feel like layers just for the sake of having layers :s

[@SupremeLeaderKimJong-un]

When your country doesn't even make the list of countries everyone knows yet Congo apparently does: *...it do be like that sometimes* obviously out of the micronations, San Marino is the best one. They sent FLO RIDA to Eurovision...still waiting for Eurovision to take place at Valentina's backyard

[@EmperorTigerstar]

Part 2 is going to be at least double the size of this video lmao.

[@aaronbasham6554]

You say that like it's a bad thing. Honestly, if love a full video that lasts as long as some of the shortest lived countries

[@CortexExists]

Order of Malta by any chance?

[@yin-yang3751]

It’s just 5 minutes longer

[@gorbitzimperator]

I have to be a bit nitpicky: To portrait the Mayans as a state isn't correct. Their civilization consisted of several dozen city states but at no time was there a single unified Mayan state.

[@EmperorTigerstar]

That's why I said civilization.

[@CraftsmanOfAwsomenes]

​@@EmperorTigerstar You then proceeded to call it a singular state. "two most well known North American native states". Accounting for the Aztecs, that phrasing makes the Mayans one of two states.

[@pennyforyourthots]

Meh, its not a nation-state, but i would argue that they were interconnected enough culturally and economically (though to a lesser extent) that they can be grandfathered in under the colloquial understanding of what a "state" is, kind of like how many think of the greek city-states.

[@CraftsmanOfAwsomenes]

@@pennyforyourthots I don't think that works though. "We" don't think of the Greek poleis as a singular state. A collection of polities that were conscious of their status as being a distinct cultural sphere, sure. "State" implies existence as a singular political entity acting as one unit. Some make an argument for a very brief window during the Greco-Persian wars (ignoring Persian allied poleis I guess), but the Mayans never had that same scenario. They were always a collection of independent polities. I honestly don't think it could reasonably argued that either civilization represents a "state". The term "city-state" is very telling in and of itself.

[@retf8977]

@@pennyforyourthots Your comment literally has no meaning... it contradicts itself

[@simongiesen2664]

One country sorely lacking on this iceberg is Neutral Moresnet. A piece of no man's land sandwiched between Belgium and Imperial Germany, most famous for their attempt to become the world's first Esperanto state. Would make a great topic for a video of yours someday!

[@Geo07ism]

Principality of Torul. A piece of the Empire of Trebizond that survived until 1479, 4 years more than the Principality of Theodoro, making it the true last bastion of Rome. Source is "Empire of Trebizond and the Pontos" by Anthony Bryer

[@XerxesTheUndead]

Fun Fact: the actor Yul Brynner (The King and I, The Ten Commandments, Westworld, etc.) was born in the Far Eastern Republic

[@Sekakaya]

also the movie " The king and I " was banned in thailand

[@esotericpince]

looking forward to the next one :) i love videos i can put on in the background while i draw. as someone who missed a lot of my grade 10 and 11 geography and history curriculum due to the pandemic, i really like how you explain things in a more accessible way (idk if thats the right word but i don't want to say "simpler" because you're not over simplifying anything imo)

[@glitchy6449]

I still remember when I "discoverered" Liechtenstein, it was the only european country that I had never heard anything about, I knew about Nauru before I learned about Liechtenstein, truly I felt like Columbus discovering the new world that day

[@anjribird4086]

Lol, same.

[@morbidsearch]

I remember as a kid I had an atlas that was made in 1993, so my mind was blown when I went on the internet and discovered Palau and East Timor

[@horrorgamestv6564]

I still sometimes discover states I never heard about

[@SarudeDanstorm]

It would be cool with an iceberg going really far back, would love to see more obscure states like Austrasia, Hanseatic League, and Srivijaya Empire explained

[@SarudeDanstorm]

@Sam Wallace Neither really was Austrasia but I'm not gonna say "state/decentralized kingdom/confederacy etc" that just ruins the flow of the sentence. I'd hoped everyone was just understanding enough.

[@BloxxterT]

The fact that I know 90% of the countries in this iceberg makes it eay more confusing about how the heck did someone propose Europe to be a United States.

[@octopus_72]

Me too

[@thewolf2213]

Europe can't be united, please don't make this happen

[@dimanyak373]

@Safwaan Then partition Russia, Germany and France, unite all those states into an EU and done.

[@dimanyak373]

@Safwaan I know, that's just an utopia in Europe. It's never gonna happen.

[@dimanyak373]

@Safwaan I'm not asking you anything. That comment was supposed to be a joke...

[@rossjohnstone4689]

Great to see this from you. A Good trend to get onto as its always fascinating :3 It was a lot of fun learning about the more obscure ones as the first 3 layers or so are things I know. Can't wait for part 2 :3

[@jaxrepublic]

Never knew I needed this. Thank you once again, EmperorTigerstar.

[@christiandevey3898]

I'd love to see a whole series on obscure historical countries

[@SvensssonboiMapping]

Probarbly one of the most interesting iceberg videos on KZbin!

[@leaffinite2001]

I love your content because i know very little geography or non-american history and so it always feels like learning cool lore

[@hollin220]

Hey Emperor Tigerstar I was surprised Manchukuo didnt make the list. May I recommend the travel book One’s Company. It was written by James Bond author Ian Flemming’s brother Peter Flemming. Its about an English gentleman traveling across Russia to the newly created puppet state Manchukuo.

[@oliversherman2414]

Interesting how some countries come and go so quickly

[@Legohunter-uv1wc]

When you recognized all the countries that where on the iceberg 😎

[@mann_mans]

I’m glad this is finally spreading the history and geography nerds

[@yusufzy]

At last Interwar Russia is getting attention! There are even more interesting things about it, seriously reading a wikipedia page about this stuff is peak entertainment for me. Also a reason why I made a video about it once because it should get more publicity.

[@user-ss2by4cx8g]

1:13 Why are Russia and India not on this list? These are also famous countries.

[@williamhild1793]

A Tigerstar Iceberg! Very Cool! Great job, Emperor!

[@sovietblobfish]

missed opportunity to have a layer for partially recognised disputed states between the 3rd and 4th layer abkhazia, transnistria, somaliland, western sahara, etc.

[@royalproductions8704]

Hi Tiger what's up? Could you include the Monarchy of the North, it was a short lived state in the North of Portugal who, beetween January to Febuary of 1919, restoured the Portuguese Monarchy and had Paiva Couceiro as the president of the King's provisional government but it didn't had King Manuel II's permission, as he didn't want the Monarchy to be restoured by force. Great video btw😁🤗

[@balothYT]

I love your content man, keep up the awesome work!

[@gladiatorz5677]

No love for the brief French attempt in 1919 to bring back Tyrol as an independent country to spite the Austrians? The only reason it fell through was that Italy got mad and decided to yoink South Tyrol before the treaty was finalized.

[@forianproductions6113]

I used to read stuff about short-lived countries, this is gonna be interesting

[@ecurewitz]

Interesting stuff, thanks

[@CrisisMoon7]

This is super interesting as someone who loves studying geography :) 12:15pm Oct/18/23 Tuesday

[@johnnyn.3690]

This is amazing video !! Relaxing music in background, your nice voice and lots of interesting stuff! Can't wait for part 2

[@samwill7259]

See you say "countries everyone knows" but I recall a map that was made trying to get Americans to point to both Iran and Ukraine and many of them pointed at the US itself.

[@satyr1349]

Great contribution!

[@MajoraZ]

I'd love to see the Purepecha Empire, the Kingdom of Chimor, 8 Deer Jaguar Claw's Mixtec Empire, Teotihuacan, etc make it into some of the lower layers. You have the Aztec and Maya (though I am a bit iffy about portraying them as a country, when that'd be more like specific dynasties like Tikal/Mutal or Calakmul/Kaan) but there's SO many other notable, specific Prehispanic states that don't get much attention. If you wanna go REALLY obscure, then there's stuff like the Chan Santa Cruz neo-Maya state which had British recognition for a time! I'm sure you know about a lot of these already too from your work on your North America Every Year video (which I still need to reach out to you about with the resources/input you've said you're interested in)

[@formicidaeinc.8075]

I like that he just didn't mention the "soviet sphere"

[@In_Our_Timeline]

why is german empire on the third part of the list i think that it is very well know among people or is it just me

[@feralcatgirl]

there are lots of questionable placements tbh

[@leaffinite2001]

I think the 3rd and 2nd parts shouldve been swapped

[@elgirl19]

You could make an iceberg meme about iceberg videos

[@chickenmcgriffin3494]

That background song just brought back some forgotten memories

[@patrickkirby6580]

I’m gonna declare my own classroom chair as an independent country, and I’m gonna be on this list

[@EasternRomanHistory]

As a historian, making icebergs is my job.

[@CrisisMoon7]

4:48 Russian Civil War 8:12 Axis Power buffer states (that noise is ominous)

[@XmartiHUNx]

You forgot the Soviet Sphere from Layer 3.

[@In_Our_Timeline]

this has to be one of the most greatest Iceberg tire list videos after alt history hub of course i really wanted a video like this by a history channel it a shock that you guys are covering this way after the trend us over but still i enjoy this and this is very great to see can't wait for part two man love you

[@CivilWarWeekByWeek]

Funny seeing you here

[@In_Our_Timeline]

@@CivilWarWeekByWeek not really this is like the channel i comment the most on

[@CivilWarWeekByWeek]

@@In_Our_Timeline I know

[@pavlevrabac1289]

Let's go Historical Icebergs videos go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[@wuzzle22]

Unrelated to the video but, if you're looking to improve the quality of your voice over, i've heard that recording with both you and your microphone under a blanket can get rid of the echo I mention this because you have a noticeable echo in your voice over track

[@savageantelope3306]

Good time to catch up

[@alexo2235]

When the ads popped up I almost thought I was watching OverSimplified video

[@AstroGoalHorns]

I knew I was a history buff but I didn't know I was in THAT deep. I've already heard of 55 out the 70 countries listed. Should I be scared?

[@epiccrusadr8583]

I already knew about most of these countries prior to the video

[@sammyclassicstarfoxfan9827]

Did this not have the Vermont Republic?

[@jpruiz8253]

please do an anarchist societies iceberg!!!!

[@carlwheezer1030]

Part 2 when?

[@rodanmax1087]

Why I didn't get notified about this video???

[@SuperCrazyfin]

I hope you do the Islamic state in southern France and the Polish one in Siberia

[@Rad509]

Video suggestion: NZ Wars

[@littleantukins4415]

Damn the fact that I know all of them is insane

[@niallkaynen5885]

icebergs never end.

[@Okami1313]

I'm guessing the bottom layer are near mythical nations with only one primary source such as the Huna Kingdom

[@carved6749]

10:57 “alot of it fell apart apart to partisan forces.” What? It fell to the Allies Advancing not partisans

[@shruk4]

Did you consider including the Finnish worker's republic in the Russian civil war states? Would have made sense in some sense. But then again, excluding it was logical in another sense.

[@cfv7461]

Oh come on! Rome is clearly more famous than Tuvalu or San Marino

[@EmperorTigerstar]

I think the idea is each layer is "more lost to history", so Tuvalu is still here while the Roman Empire is long gone, but there is still legacy. Then deeper layers are things that are more and more forgotten.

[@cfv7461]

@@EmperorTigerstar Tuvalu : 1 Rome: 0

[@cqpp]

@@EmperorTigerstar I see, that makes sense. Very well.

[@AdamFaruqi]

@@EmperorTigerstar If that's the case, whoever made the iceberg does not understand how this meme works lol

[@mappingshaman5280]

Nah if Tuvalu and the roman empire had a fight, its obvious Tuvalu would win.

[@8QuestionMarks6020]

I'd love to see the Autonomous Province/Republic of Western Bosnia and maybe the other unrecognized countries from the Yugoslav Wars on the iceberg, especially since they were so recent and are so unknown.

[@dstinnettmusic]

All my homies like Trey the Explainer

[@Adammarshall2341]

Why isn't WUPR included into Russian civil war list?

[@therealspeedwagon1451]

I’m excited for see the funee state of Burgundy [STRENG-GEHEIM]

[@arthurs4093]

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[@ZebraGER]

The name "White Russian Republics" sounds more like multiple republics in Belarus, known at that time as "White Ruthenia" and in my language still known as White Russia

[@TheManinBlack9054]

Yeah, i guess white movement would have been better

[@MMFan2004]

01:00 If we include Congo (Democratic Republic of the Congo, and the Republic of Congo) They it should include Korea (Republic of Korea, and Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea AKA South/North Korea) as-well.

[@oliverkearney]

Would Finnish Workers republic not be counted as a Russian Civil War state?

[@SvobodaIliSmert]

Technically a Finnish Civil War state, and considering Finland remained independent after the Civil War, i can see why that is

[@youtubeuser1993]

I think Central Lithuanian Republic is a very hard one

[@outerspace7391]

The Axis puppets/Russian civil war breakaway states section went VERY easy on us. It should have mentioned the Norwegian Quinsling regime, the Kingdom of Albania, a german puppet state formed after Italy changed sides and Arrow Cross Hungary. For Russian civil war states it should have mentioned the Lithbel SSR, the balto-german remnant troops of the empire in Latvia, the Altai Republic, the Khiva SSR, the Transcaucasian Democratic Republic, the Green Forces, the Czechoslovak Legion, the Alash Autonomy and the Mountainous Republic of Northern Caucasus.

[@johncao6516]

Sikkim at the bottom? I'm surprised. I always thought it's a country until I came to the US and people told me it's not.

[@fishergreer36]

Huh where are you from

[@worldwidewonders681]

I know like 80% of all of these.

[@dragon_ninja_2186]

For the Third Layer you forgot to mention “Soviet Sphere” which I’m assuming is the Soviet Union, the Warsaw Pact, and it’s allies and other communist states.

[@formicidaeinc.8075]

Strange that they didn't just call it the soviet union though

[@AdamFaruqi]

Yeah, like Transnistria

[@shinsenshogun900]

@@formicidaeinc.8075 Sadly that'd be too intimidating and overt for the other powers to see half of Europe getting annexed by the Soviet Union, hence those spheres are clearly satellite states

[@mappingshaman5280]

@@AdamFaruqi transistria was not part of the soviet sphere. During the soviet Union it was part of the Moldovan SSR and when moldova left the soviet Union, they disagreed and rebelled to stay part of the soviet Union but by the time they won the Soviets no longer existed.

[@logoseven3365]

San Marino has a great football/soccer team. If you’re playing them.

[@tobbyhappy3572]

Yes.

[@cagliari5984]

Feel like Bhutan was done dirty being put with the microstates lol

[@Pfalz536]

This is interesting

[@gitchigitchiyayazaza4572]

If you don't add the United Kingdom of Taured I'll be very dissapointed

[@danachos]

Shout out to the below-the-iceberg countries: Nitassinan, Nitaskinan, Inuit Nunangat, Wabanakik, Wet'suwet'en Yin'tah, Gitx̱san Lax̱yip, Dinétah, Tsalaguwetiyi, Tsenacommacah, Lenapehoking, Denendeh, Mitchif Piyii, Haudenosauneega, Anishinaabewaki, Nionwentsïo, Noongar Boodja, Kaurna Pangkarra, etc.

[@nolanxuereb2914]

Are these not just all north American Indigenous groups? I feel like they don't count as some mystical unknown thing, many of them are still semi autonomous within reserves across the continent.

[@danachos]

@@nolanxuereb2914 These are the names of countries in North America (Turtle Island) and Australia. A reserve ≠ a country. For example, look up Inuit Nunangat or Mi'kma'ki, and Kaurna Pangkarra or Noongar Boodja, for some robust information. Although North Americans stopped using the 'term' country (ish; we still do for the likes of Navajo Country [Dinétah] and Shuswap Country [Secwepemcúl'ecw]), Australians use it actively to describe the territorial homelands of First Nations. And despite the waning of the term on Turtle Island, it is still applicable. Inuit Nunangat is recognized as a special region of Canada as of 2 weeks ago, and Mi'kma'ki maintains diplomatic relations with two confederal entities: Canada and Wabanakik.

[@anonymuz796]

I confuse Belorussian Republic and Whiterussian Republic because this is alternative names of one country if you didnt mean Russian White Movement State.

[@soullesseater9327]

lol i've heard of every country in the video at least once

[@hb2495]

ha NERD

[@TieisAwsom]

I have a banknote from the provisional siberian government (as well as many other russian civil war states) and its so thin you can see through it if you held it up to a light

[@Nootathotep]

Neutral Moresnet, Sealand, Soviet Republic of Saxony, Latvian America, Iroquois Confederacy

[@piadas804]

Imperial Japan still exists.

[@techwiz81]

How is the CSA not a short-lived historical nation? It wasn’t even really a nation recognized internationally and lasted less than 5 years

[@theheathenx]

I named one of my pet rats after Nestor Makhno

[@pegasustargaryen]

I know almost all of the countries even from the lowest layers, just by playing Paradox games! (with some alt-hist mods)

[@paint_thinner]

>not including the Sovereign Military Order of Malta what is this, amateur hour?

[@Anwwoo]

I hope Korean empire (1897~1910) also mention in next part too. Great video!

[@shinsenshogun900]

Same goes for a number of East Asian short-lived states, like the Samurai Ezo Republic or the Taiping Heavenly Kingdom

[@armenian_cartographer_neo]

You can add Transcaucasian Democratic Federation Republic.

[@joshuaklink8306]

I know Tuvalu from the Michael Vey novel series.

[@sadudivya3595]

Another forgotten Russian civil war nation-mountanious republic theory - in 1918 January as Russian empire was collapsing people of north Cacusicus who are anti-Bolshevik and anti-white decided to form a democratic nation like us known as mountains republic. But in late 1919 the nation collapsed to form an lslamic state known as the lslamic caliphate of north Caucasus located in morden day dagestan. but by 1921 January both states are annexed into Soviet Russia

[@Geshiko-GuP]

im actually kind of proud i know majority of these nations

[@ArakkoaChronicles]

The funniest part for me, being from Poland, is Komuch. One of those White Russian states. It's funny because in Polish "komuch" (those spoken with a h sound rather than tsch) is an insult for communists, who they opposed.

[@dimanyak373]

Bottleneck republic is missing here too

[@diebesgrab]

I’m not really up on my pre-Columbian American history, but were the Mayans ever a singular state? I was under the impression they were more of a culture shared across several independent city states, sort of like Classical Greece.

[@Galletas-my3sv]

They were never a country. However, many "historians" on KZbin believe that a Mayan empire existed, no, there never was.