The History and Lore of the Paradox Beasts

[@MoostachedSaiyanPrince]

I'm still convinced that Paradox Pokémon come from completely different timelines altogether rather than simply different times. Like a timeline where humankind never appeared and thus never domesticated Pokémon, so they remained incredibly savage in their abilities and appearance. Or a timeline where humankind developed technology so quickly that they never developed a balance with nature like we see in the games we play, so they either had replace Pokémon after they wiped them out and did it with man made constructs made to imitate them, or the pollution was so bad that the Pokémon evolved to be made of more synthetic materials in order to combat and even make use of the high levels of pollution.

[@barrybend7189]

I would agree for the future paradox Pokemon. For the past I'd say they are from a time where fossils are harder to find. As many of the features are from post dinosaur mass extinctions but before mans more direct written history. As Volcarona's ancestor is more direct in it's defense than it's modern counterpart, Scream Tail is very much weaponizes it's screams to disorientate prey. It gives me the uncanny feeling of looking at recreations of ice age animals. It's not the monsters of the ancient world just unrefined modern body plans.

[@DragonBallsolosyourverse]

Its all but pretty much confrimed that the old lore of the legendary beasts is untrue They are not a specially created kind like the creation trio instead a species that has existed since ancient times idk why game freak keeps making all the old legendaries now a wider species instead of some special legendary figure They did the same to the legendary birds by the galarian variants.

[@DragonBallsolosyourverse]

That's just a issue with these big companies They going to write what they want even if hurts prior continity or how fans wanted things another example of this sorta thing was regigigas You know he created the three regi hence the three colors on his body so when they made two more regi, It contradicted the implied lore there Its how things work in the current canon now, Now the legendary beasts are just a ancient species if they ever retcon it back to the way it was then im fine changing my stance but officially as it stands yea entei is not a character, its a whole species

[@DragonBallsolosyourverse]

I kinda hate how people handle this they cant accept it got retconed so they just ssy it aint true You can hate a story beat and still understand it happened anyone watch dragon ball? Vegetto was a fusion that could last forever in dbz but in dragon ball super, it has a time limit why cause the person writing the story simply decided to discard some older elements And yes it makes no sense lore wise why these changes legendary beasts or otherwise happen but its how the person wrote the story

[@MoostachedSaiyanPrince]

@@DragonBallsolosyourverse Nothing about the Paradox Pokemon really got confirmed though. In the actual game, the characters don't know for sure where Paradox Pokemon came from. The language they use in game when talking about them is very specific in a way that makes it clear the characters don't really know and are speculating. So there's no actual confirmation in the lore that they're the past or future forms of anything. In fact, most people (in my experience) seem to have accepted the dream theory for the explanation of where they came from. Which is a theory that implies Terapagos and Area Zero have the power to materialize the dreams of humans who enter, and the Paradox Pokemon we see in the game are manifestations of the dreams of either professor Sada or Turo and how they imagine Pokemon of the past and future will/did look like. And part of that theory comes from the way the in game sketches of the Paradox versions of the Legendary Beasts and Swords of Justice both look like amalgamations of all three Paradox forms rather than actually being any of the three. If there were real hard confirmation in the games for where they came from, I would just accept it for what it is, because that would be a proper retcon, rather than the unconfirmed theory crafting by characters in game that we currently have. Me saying I'm still convinced my own idea is true is a reaction to other theories of where Paradox Pokemon came from, both the fan base theories, and the unconfirmed beliefs of characters in the games for where they came from.

[@EmotionLord]

I personally think there is another layer in addition to this. Ho-oh was originally supposed to symbolize the sun. Past paradox mons get powered up by intense sun. I'm thinking Ho-oh may have been around for a LONG time. The beasts in the burned tower I believe were simply Eevee. When they perished in the event, Ho-oh merely injected them with the spirits of ancient powerful pokemon, in turn giving them some of their appearance. This would be a double dip into the pheonix trope as well.

[@sonicfan2403]

It also begs the question, was Ho-Oh originally from Johto at all?

[@johnnyknadler1157]

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[@assassinviii6477]

I kinda hope they do Legends Celebi and it’s set at the time the tower burns down. I think playing through that and discovering what happened would be awesome. I would buy the game purely for that part

[@VCV95]

If any pokemon/region deserve another Legends game, I think it has to be Zygarde. There is so much left on the table there.

[@TheEphemeralEternity]

This is what i assumed was the case with the "paradox beasts", but then it brings up more questions regarding paradox virizion, the remainder of the "paradoxes of justice", and their respective role in the pokemon world lore (if any).

[@stever1705]

Minor correction: while Pokémon masters does confirm Valerie is from johto, in the ho-oh event, she tells us she isn’t a kimono girl

[@ShockStormwing]

I’m partial to the theory that the paradox legendary beasts are separate pokemon that had also been affected by ho-oh in times prior

[@Bezaliel13]

Yeah, I am thinking Ho-Oh borrowed from them for the resurrection.

[@eddierichard1104]

I wonder if there’s any connection between the Scarlet Beast, and the statue in Sinnoh of the amalgamated Dialga and Palkia. Both seem to be a combined depiction of what ends up being very separate pokemon in reality.

[@user-dc4fc1sm1m]

@birdkeepertoby I want to expand your theory of Arceus being related to third legendaries of last four generations. 1.Necrozma can manipulate space. (Similar to Palkia) 2.Terapagos can manipulate time. (Similar to Dialga) 3.Eternatus distorts space-time in it's eternamax form. (Similar to Giratina). 4.Zygarde controls life force. (Similar to uxie, mesprit, azelf controlling elements related to life like knowledge, willpower, emotion etc)

[@itsturniptime3699]

I don’t think Zygarde controls life force as much as it just exists to keep cataclysmic beings in check and make sure the earth doesn’t get destroyed

[@melvondrewhite2674]

@@itsturniptime3699 Zygarde Only Protects The Ecosystem & That Was Only A Kalos Thing . He Didn’t Have Any Role In Gen 7 Because That’s Ultra Necrozma’s Game !

[@itsturniptime3699]

@@melvondrewhite2674 keep cataclysmic beings in check, IE, Yveltal and Xerneas if they ever went rogue or those weird evil roots from the anime. I still stand by the fact that Zygarde itself does not control the life force of living creatures, it can’t just decide on a whim what lives and what dies

[@melvondrewhite2674]

@@itsturniptime3699 That’s True He Doesn’t , So You Agree That They Are Levels To This & Every Single Legendary Isn’t Of Equal ??!

[@user-dc4fc1sm1m]

@Bruno Caruso I agree that the terapagos we saw in the trailer does not look like a being that could manipulate time. But every third legendary has a secondary form, if you look at terapagos from Heath's artwork, it does look like an eldritch god similar to necrozma, eternatus etc, As you said, the time machine WAS powered by terastal energy of Terapagos. Similar to how lusamine used cosmog's energy to open portals to ultra space. Necrozma does that too, it is mentioned that the energy that created z moves and totem pokemons is the same energy that overflows through the portals created by necrozma.

[@ParadoxBrony]

There is a joke to be made about how Toby is saying don’t take the Generations Lore seriously and yet he gathers a from so many different places when building a theory.

[@mask_vids9834]

Probably more like a school moral lesson

[@TheFunwichHorror]

Love watching Toby's theories and I know they're all in good fun, but I'm just not convinced by the "it's all connected" arguments. It seems more likely to me that the devs wanted to make something cool without taking the greater implications into consideration. Like when someone brought up the "Ditto is a failed Mew clone" theory to one of the devs who just said "Oh I don't know about that, we just wanted a Pokemon that pays homage to the iconic smiley face." Like if someone asked a dev about all the Paradox theories I think they'd just say "Hey, don't think too hard about it. But a dinosaur suicune is awesome, isn't it?" Then again, art is always up to interpretation and everyone's entitled to their own headcanon.

[@BirdKeeperToby]

Well no it's in Generations I don't think that was a "literal depiction" of what happened. The Pokemon that deacesed are silhouetted because no one is sure what they looked like. Not because those are the exact silhouettes of the Pokemon deceased

[@ParadoxBrony]

@@BirdKeeperToby Fair enough, but the way it was phrase made it sound like a far broader statement on the series depictions as a whole.

[@christinariggins3481]

@@ParadoxBrony yeah but a lot of the war we can't take seriously we can only take bits and pieces because there's somethings that don't add up like how people have never seen certain pokemon but somehow they all look like statues and other things the lore has to be played by ear and taken with a very big microscope

[@Hip-Gnosis1134]

I’ll admit, the thumbnail art had me questioning raikous design, but I actually kinda dig it 😂

[@BirdKeeperToby]

aw ty ^_^

[@geecko__]

Therezinosaurus inspired it seems. Really cool

[@Hip-Gnosis1134]

@@BirdKeeperToby just got announced that it is in fact a long neck!

[@Heroshand]

Once again, I can't help but feel the events of the Burned Tower would make for a spectacular Legends game.

[@trunks38109]

My theory is pretty much the same. In time travel stories when someone tries to change history something similar replaces it and that’s what the paradox Pokémon could be. Or they could come from different timelines or realities with different history.

[@christophermitchell9739]

I keep saying, it's canon there are more than one of the Beasts. Ho-Oh didn't necessarily create them entirely, just resurrect them in that form.

[@madnessarcade7447]

Multiple ho-oh created multiple beasts in different contexts and locations

[@aetriandimitri190]

I don't know why people refuse to acknowledge this, the games have had multiple at once, anime has had multiple. The burned tower was an isolated event were ho oh turned other pokemon into the beasts, not that the beasts don't exist prior. If there were only the 3 beasts, how is there canonically the shiny ones in both game and show. Not even including the other ones constantly shown. The beasts are probably one of the most common legendaries along with the Regis and birds. So them having ancestors make sense, same way the birds have divergent evolution

[@michaeldaniels642]

One Ho-oh made the first then Arceus Ctrl-C Ctrl-V-ed them

[@aetriandimitri190]

@@michaeldaniels642 Ho-Oh didn't create the first, just one specific set.

[@thegreatbeavers]

Counts on how Arceus is viewed. Arceus though definitely has the power to create pokemon. Gamefreak though never has the Arceus events revealed through Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum though Arceus and the lore of it exist in the game. Just proved Gamefreak was ashamed of making Arceus lore but it makes sense. Arceus is capable of creating an Egg hatching Dialga, Palkia, or Giratina meaning yes. Arceus creates the very pokemon that has control over Time/Space/Distortion. Why do we need to consider Legendary only one if Arceus can make many at will? Also Multiple Arceus is also possible since Arceus can be at more than one. Also it proves there's many alternate universes/timelines but people's brains are just way too small to consider the possibilities. Yet again if people can't comprehend it, why try to make sense of Legendaries if you don't understand what Gamefreak is trying to write about?

[@RebelliousTreecko]

The transition from the dragon shrine out of Hassel's eye was really well done.

[@itsturniptime3699]

I don’t know if I’m totally sold on the idea of Walking Wake being revived into Suicune. Walking Wake and Iron Leaves both fill the same roll of matching with their designated group of Paradox Pokémon. We can infer that all of the past Paradox Pokémon come from the same time period or at least should be somewhat close together time wise considering how many similarities they share. It’s also plausible that they are manifestations from Sada’s mind which in turn would mean Walking Wake is too, fitting with the rest of the set. In both scenarios, Walking Wake is a dinosaur and while we have multiple dinosaur-like Pokémon wandering around in modern day it feels strange to have Walking Wake be around since the ancient era only to then be turned into a vague mammal creature. I also personally don’t believe both groups of Paradox Pokémon exist at the same time despite being able to be traded and having dex entries. We know each game and save file is an alternate universe and the Paradox Pokémon appeared because of the time machine built by Sada or Turo but it doesn’t make sense for them to be from the same machine at the same time. All of this is very mysterious.

[@Songal18]

I kept thinking in that Generations short, hose Pokemon looks like different dog-like Pokemon, maybe ones who left Johto after three of their kind died. Maybe Suicune, Entei and Raikou got their former Pokemon selves out of Johto to save them from a fate like theirs, trapped somewhere and burned to death. Maybe one day we'll get a dog pokemon that much more closely resembles those shadows in the West Tower and it all connects back to Johto?

[@NavyBlueDude]

As someone who is obsessed with the lore of Johto's Legendary Beasts, this catches my attention.🤩

[@dubcomments]

Narrative, artworks, animations, transitions all 10/10 excellent work 🤩

[@Galarticuno]

I like the third theory behind paradox Pokemon; that they’re just from alternate universes where certain events either lead to Pokemon evolving (traditionally) slower or faster. Not actually the past or future of Paldea present or a translated line present in only the Chinese version of the games cuz time travel is banned

[@JohnAlzayat]

Walking Wake and another two being the killed mons makes more sense than Eeveelutions. The Eeveelutions are foxes which are canines but the Beasts are based on Feline animals with Leopard, Lion and Tiger being Suicune, Entei and Raikou respectively.

[@Poopoocachoo]

…it just clicked to me why Ho-oh has the regenerator ability

[@SkyDragoon]

The editing was amazing! A delightful sight

[@zeroknight1311]

This does also mean that the Paradox part for the Paradox Beasts is them existing. Since The Legendary beasts would be able to recognize their original forms. After all this does make sense for why these are Paradox mons.

[@PonyJammin]

I wonder if, perhaps, the story of the burned tower is a case of two myths colliding? Like the story of Ho-oh making the beasts, creatures of both disaster and healing, existed before the tower burned down. And when it appeared over the tower and the beasts did as well, they connected the old story to the new event.

[@ThatRandomBritish]

I love this video so much!!! It's always so call to find that you've released a new video.

[@ThatRandomBritish]

also, It's interesting that Walking wake can walk on water, because Suicune, I believe can also. THat's a nice possible link.

[@ericwilson8867]

The storytelling in this video was especially superb, I enjoyed it a lot. I at first thought Ho-oh revived three mystery Pokemon in the tower into the present-day beasts and was inspired by these paradoxes since they and Ho-oh (a bird) are also dinosaurs, perhaps they were like friends in the Pokemon equivalent of the Mesozoic. But I never thought about the paradoxes literally being what lead to the present-day beasts, like the idea of the paradox versions being imaginary pokemon just messing around, but like died and were brought back and why the present-day beasts look more "responsible" or "mature". Maybe they learned just how powerful they are and how much damage they can actually cause

[@cmrobles]

My theory is that Ho-oh has simply revived Pokémon like the beast trio before, and when Pokémon are revived by Ho-oh they become sort of ‘decorated’ in a certain aesthetic that makes them look the way they do. If the beasts were originally Eeveelutions then their appearances drastically changed. I imagine that whatever Pokémon became the paradox beasts might have been just normal Pokémon that perished in a situation similar to the tower that Ho-oh then revived

[@Redstorm_Mars]

I actually think the pokemon generations episode with its silhouettes is an affectionate reference to the beta designs of raikou, entei and suicune, which were discarded and died without ever seeing the light of day, before being rebooted and reborn into their current designs

[@hertzburst]

Dang those artworks are awesome. If we do end up getting these in the later dlcs, I hope they look similar to these.

[@serpentblader0957]

Maybe but we should lower that hope just a bit so we don't get disappointed.

[@hertzburst]

Personally I don’t think that they’re actually going to be a thing, but if they were I’d want them to look like this

[@serpentblader0957]

Ok

[@brandonwills3305]

This is the Pokémon content I haven’t been searching for but I’m glad I found it

[@Fruitcake742]

Have a good time we will miss you and I want you to know that you are the reason I’ve gotten back into Pokémon and with all your videos you’ve helped me in many ways during lockdown I think is when I watched you most and the Pokémon tree of evolution genuinely made me want to learn more about our world and with all your theory’s you’ve even inspired me to start writing so all I can say is thank you

[@jaeger7272]

what happened? did he quit youtube?

[@insertclevernamehere1186]

I feel like a more likely scenario is that the three nameless pokemon were decendants of the ancient Waking Wake and such, and Ho-oh's power simply reawakened the dormant primodial genes within them, causing them to take similar but not quite as prehistoric forms... You know, assuming the paradox pokemon are *actually* real...

[@Danaesthetic]

I'm sorry Toby but I don't think the paradox Pokémon will be the ones that died in the burnt tower. Since they are called ''paradox'' Pokémon, and if they explain it as these were just the original versions that wouldn't be much of a paradox. If anything that makes the normal versions the paradox since they were the ones brought back from the death. I think they will either not explain them to keep them a paradox or hint at them being created or influenced in design by the time machine and scarlet/violet book. Still great video man, enjoyed watching it.

[@rockowlgamer631]

During MandJTV's meme review someone had posted about how Walking Wake being possible. The unkown pokemon that died before it was turned into Suicune could've been a modern evolution of what Walking Wake would regress into (like how t-rex turned into chickens it seems) then when Ho-Oh revived them some of the DNA that was dormant in the revived pokemon turned it into Suicune we know today.

[@bibbagamer1284]

Hooh read the book and was inspired

[@BrendanT-n2w]

Entei is: "A Pokémon that races across the land. It is said that one is born every time a new volcano appears." There are populations of these Pokémon and the legitimacy of the legend of Ho-Oh is questionable at best.

[@saralehmann1871]

Funny thing but I somehow (I realy don't remember how) actually got the lower half of the Suicune&Entei legends card in german (because I'm german). I didn't know what's up with this card till later in life it clicked that it was half a card. I don't think I actually saw the full card till now. So now I know how the full card looks like thanks to you. 😁

[@westonsmith0691]

One long stretch of an explanation would be the Time Machine just doesn’t go to the past or future but can also pull Pokémon from different timelines

[@drinkinbuddy8264]

Real nice graphics and editing in this video and learned some lore

[@Diabolic-nt7nu]

What would a paradox Ho-oh and Lugia look like? I wonder if a future version would just fuse them together into a mega bird.

[@kishuuuT__T]

amazing artwork Alex! he is so talented 🙌😊

[@pandapoof6739]

Wow thank you for telling I can't even imagine how cool that is

[@ZephyrBallard]

Maybe Ho-oh, being a phoenix, only has dominion over life. Because of this, it can't use the Unown for creation. Arceus has no bounds what it can use the Unown for, but Ho-oh is only capable of bestowing life to those who lost theirs.

[@bradyinsertcoollastnameher2015]

Now I am wondering if there is a Pokémon multiverse with all this lore that’s INSANELY DEEP like seriously

[@silversonic1]

Valerie said she wasn't a Kimono Girl in Pokemon Masters.

[@NagaYamiyo]

My personal theory is Ho-oh has the ability, perhaps even limited, to Resurrect. Perhaps by granting them new powers over Fire, Water, and Electric. The forms while similar are different because of the type of Pokémon that was Resurrected. While Suicune was a canine type Pokémon, Walking Wake was a reptile like a Feraligatr or similar Pokémon.

[@ajgentle7754]

Hi toby love your content!

[@Raginggatr]

Therizinosaurus raikou was something I never expected to see but now that I have I need it to be real

[@limeslime711]

I think we’ll probably get the other two paradox legendaries for each game just in the base game, like Walking Wake and Iron Leaves.

[@PKMNCappy]

Ancient? Walks on water? Dinosaur-like? Raptor Jesus confirmed.

[@SammieEstal]

❤❤ This theory is legit!! I feel it!!! All of the evidence that you were able to locate through the games, from larger details, to even the smaller ones!! Great video as per usual!! Also the art of the other legendaries are fabulous!!! (I am hoping they come up with unique names for entei and raiku!

[@wheelsndealz]

I really feel they seriously fucked up with walking wake. They had the opportunity to further cement into the tree of life the ancestors to the cat, vulpine, and dog like pokemon. Raikou is obviously a severtooth cat. Entei is the biggest of floof boys. And suicine is the elegant fox beast. They could have done way better. Make Entei fire fighting. The things on its legs look like training weights. Suicide could have been water ice or fairy. Maybe even psychic if ya want to keep a trio with Raikou being an electric dark. That stalked it's prey with quick attacks from the shadows. Then, when ho-oh resurrects the trio/gives them some of the power to the dying unknown pokemon they only get the main element type. With just remnants of what they once were. The leg weights, the black stripes, and the illusory effect of suicine.

[@damianford2637]

Regarding the depiction of the beast from the scarlet book, maybe Ho-Oh was able to revive the beast by harnessing and splitting his soul into the three bodies of the trapped pokemon.

[@No_Direction-99]

3:18 I think their fur may be singed or burned off so their silhouettes may be unrecognizable. I had a cat who singed his tail and it appeared much more flat in that area

[@taragilesbie94]

All of this makes me more certain than ever that a Legends: Johto game is coming, and I don’t think I’ve ever been so excited for a possible Pokémon game before.

[@mainichishinitai6533]

I agree with you that Entei and Raikou will both get paradox forms. But I also believe Ho-Oh will get one as well.

[@WolfDragonTamer]

I'm also curious about that theory about Suicune being a Walking Wake

[@Lampent12]

Relating back to Ho-oh's power of resurrection, we do see something in both the Sacred Ash item, which revives your entire team, and the movie "Pokemon, I Choose You" where we meet be witnessing Ash's revival by Ho-oh at the climax of the movie.

[@lukalux4127]

Take a shot everytime Toby says "I digress"

[@Nyhtii]

There are many entei, raikou & suicune roaming around. As clearly stated in pokedex, shown in games & anime. Yes ho-oh revived/transformed the 3 original eevolutions into the legendary beasts when the tower burned, but the legendary beasts excisted far before it. Just like there are many legendary birds. There's many beasts.

[@moda-sanghua9530]

It’s interesting how we don’t know what the future is; thus, there’re few theories on the future paradox Pokémon.

[@Danny199]

This might be my favorite theory yet ^^

[@jeremythetiger7095]

Raikou looked like a smilodon therizinosaurus hybrid? Man, I hope we get that!

[@Gunzzablazin]

Missed you bird keeper!!

[@heatherharris6951]

I like to see if they make a pokemon legends for johto and that way we see the truth on the legendary beasts true origins on how they look like and how ho-oh was connected to their rebirth

[@danielstokes2127]

I imagine the swords of justice future form may have something to do with them losing there natural habitat like in B2/W2 and they may have been modified to fit in the modern era!

[@gavinletsplay109gaming6]

An idea for the Swords of justice version of this story maybe Kyurem finally slayed the 3 main Swords causing Kobalion to go into hiding and to reach out to Reshiram and Zekrom who brought the bodies of the Swords to humans who rebuilt them as cyborgs and bringing them back to defeat Kyurem again.

[@MattDustyParker]

Pls do a video on iron leaves and the swords of justice. Keldeo too of course!

[@LilMangoM]

Me sees the pokemon cards shown.... "Wait they look familiar dont I have..." they come in twos right the legends cards, if so I'm missing only one from the set. The top card of entei and raikou set and I have the urge to finish it T-To

[@averagehuman-gf3qc]

That paradox raikou looks dope

[@dylankelligan7811]

What if all that, but instead it was a jolteon, vaporeon, and flareon that perished in the tower and were reborn into the a version of the paradox trio which is why they do not have the dragon typing. They were clearly some form of nobility or very highly looked upon by the public and when the tower burned down and they were trapped inside, the paradox trio heard the cries of the people and they gave their own lives with the help of ho-oh to give life to them once more. Fusing themselves with the eeveelutions and creating the legendary beast trio we know today.

[@LittleBirbBoi]

I've seen a good theory that the trio were a whole species and the resurrection from Ho-Oh brought them closer to those original Pokémon

[@heatherharris6951]

I believed that the paradox pokemon from the past fossilize pokemon like the other fossil pokemon are somehow connected to the hisui region of ancient sinnoh and is possible they may be a comeback. While the future paradox pokemon are man made and are connected to the genesect project that team plasma in unova created and there will be a black and white remake and I'm hoping the graphic designs aren't like the BDSP game

[@nazeersadek6705]

Black and white don’t need remakes 😕 after ORAS and BDSP I’m worried how the next remakes will be handled

[@morphstarchangeling8024]

black and white 3 would be better

[@nazeersadek6705]

@@morphstarchangeling8024 100% agree that way we can finally see what the origin dragon looks like

[@Tsukune2001]

​@@nazeersadek6705 omega ruby and alpha sapphire are the second best Pokémon games. I do agree on bdsp though.

[@nazeersadek6705]

@@Tsukune2001 they were good games but could have been much better if they added some stuff from emerald like the team magma base in MT chimney, the mirage tower in the desert and the obviously the battle frontier

[@DefectiveLotus]

I figured that if you use Roaring Moon as proof, that the Pokemon who died in the tower were unique, unseen Legendaries already, maybe mythicals kept as sacred beasts by people. When Ho-oh revived them, giving them aspects of the ancient paradox forms, the people feared what they had become, twisted, unknown, more powerful versions whose very cries cracked open the landscape (Enteis barks). They were like Mega Evolutions but uncontrolled because they lost their bond with people.

[@Ryu_D]

Thank you for the video.

[@leonardobarbosatelles2779]

I honestly think that the Time Machine not only influences time, but space too. In other words, it can manipulate reality. I believe it creates the paradox Pokémon much like the ultimatrix created Ben’s aliens ultimate forms. The idea is the Time Machine picks a Pokémon at any point and time, and throws it in an extremely harsh reality, either in the past or the future, and thus, the Pokémon have to evolve and adapt in order to survive. Perhaps the harshness of the reality they are placed in explains their very agressive disposition

[@Elonmustard675]

Imagine a Ho-oh with the revival blessing ability being able to resurrect fallen Pokémon

[@walkingmadnesscrawlingsanity]

can we just take a moment to remember that their are actual animals in pokemon (often portrayed in the manga in either covers or chapters but not really the focus of it) and the 3 that were revived as entei suicune and raikou very well could've been normal dogs before being revived

[@madnessarcade7447]

Suicune one actually fits In our real world there were a lot of mammals who appeared more reptilian like back then because it was suited for survival and overtime they evolved to no longer need it Raikou entei suicune in their original forms all shared a common ancestor and when ho-oh revived them it tapped into their Primal Dormant DNA and reawakened the aspects that ho-oh figured would suit them best in their current state

[@mbcjr01]

I wonder if Lugia pulled the future paradox forms of the swords to what was present day at the time. In order to protect something or maintain order.

[@killingragethrowback]

Have you though about the Sacred Ash and how if you stretch it, it's all about reviving the dead or dying? Could be related to how the Beasts were revived.

[@StoopidMonkie]

I’ve been confused about this since release because suicune wasn’t a ancient Pokémon it was created 150 years before gold and silver so I was thinking this could be a new timeline

[@strangesoul7091]

Not going to lie after seeing walking wake I really want to see a stegosaurs themed entei

[@littlebitsofterror5788]

12:55 I jus noticed the siblings are wearing the colors of the Diamond clan and The Pearl clan

[@knowhatnot347]

The main theory I feel is true is that when the Pokémon burned in the tower, ho-oh used the essence of walking wake and what would be the other past paradox Pokémon to revive them and turn them into what is raikou, entei, and suicune

[@Justic_]

My personal interpretation is just that Walking Wake, and potential other equivalents to the other 2 Legendary Beasts, are more like the Galarian Legendary Birds, in that they aren't actually necessarily directly related (although maybe both groups still have ties to Ho-Oh as its guardian trio?), but simply happen to resemble one another, also comparable to how Iron Leaves most likely didn't directly evolve from Virizion, but is instead simply a robot built in its image. Again, Ho-Oh still might also be involved with Walking Wake, it'd be kinda weird for Ho-Oh to only have had a guardian trio for 150 years when it itself is at least a few centuries older, so maybe we can assume that Walking Wake is part of a previous guardian trio of Ho-Ohs (or perhaps a Legendary Ancestors of it?) and was given the same or similar powers as Suicune was given later on, maybe similarly to how Ho-Oh resurrected the Legendary Beasts, it resurrected Walking Wake and its companions from dinosaur-fossils even.

[@gustavju4686]

Fiore has long been speculated to be based on the part of Hokkaido that wasn't included in either Sinnoh nor Hisui.

[@Jibb3rs]

I don't know, I think a multiverse theory fits way better.

[@hiyashichuka2726]

Paradox Luigi would be cool as a fourth dlc paradox pokemon

[@IcarusFallz]

Ah the best poketuber returns for another video

[@michaelbrown9877]

Jus watched the pokemon presentation and I was looking a rakiou like this form looks so familiar. ..and there right it is right in the video.... do u think Toby has a uncle that works at game freak ?😅😂

[@raynorgaming]

honestly I think it would be a missed opportunity if they did not make Entei's Paradox form the Entei from the story book from the 3rd movie. It is already more draconic in that depiction and so it would fit.

[@boocrimson7720]

Not going to lie, I think Ho-oh took inspiration from the paradox beast monsters when reviving the "dogs" (if they were real and not imagined beasts in the first place cause paradox pokemon still aren't explained) I get the feeling this actually confirms the eevee\eeveelution theory a bit cause Ho-oh revives them as the "eevee-fied" or dog-ified version of those original paradox beasts to make them more powerful and immortal after that storm. And I think that the crazy combined beast was a combination of all 3 that may be eluding to the fusion mechanic of gen 5. Maybe there is a way to fuse them?

[@cTc10691]

Take a drink every time Toby digresses... 🤪

[@WhiteRaven696]

There’s a few explanations for the time discrepancy: 1. The Paradoxes died in the tower, and Ho-Oh’s revival transformed them into what we know today. 2. Ho-Oh’s trio were not the first instances of the trio existing. (Entei are birthed whenever a volcano erupts, for example.) 3. Ho-Oh did not transform the dead Pokémon at all and it was actually the beasts who died.

[@benjystrauss2524]

I don't think they'll ever say exactly what happened, however, I think the best explanation would involve closed timelike curves (CTCs). A lot of the data in the Pokédex (and by extension the Scarlet and Violet books) may just be flat-out inaccurate.

[@soimdawam]

Don't know how could those Giant dinosaurs fit inside that tower

[@me-en4rp]

Pokemon voilet paradox forms are artificial robots because because the pokemon went extinct.

[@purehyper124]

I am pretty sure what the unknow make in the third movie are psychic constructs not real flush and blood creatures.

[@robbieq7814]

My theory is that the legendary beast paradox Pokémon devolved into the Pokémon that burned in the burned tower. And when they where revived and given a possible power boost made the three Pokémon look more like walking wake and the other theoretical other two.