The History of Capcom's Rivalry with SNK

[@Rooflemonger]

So Capcom and SNK, two great tastes that go well together. Things are a gigantic love-in these days, but it wasn't always the case. The two companies used to take potshots at each other like it was going out of style before they started working together, and in this video let me teach you about how that all came to be. Why is Dan an insult to SNK? How did SNK respond? Give the vid a watch (hey maybe a like too, it helps) and find out!

[@MrCrankyBastard]

One detail you touched on but interpreted differently from how I've always viewed it - as much as Dan was a one-fingered salute to a perceived plagiarism, it always came across to me as an additional mocking of the underlying design philosophy of each company. Before Art of Fighting, unless I'm misremembering, Super SF2 came out, and while the meters started empty, you built towards the meter in order to unleash your big flashy attack. Meanwhile, in Art of Fighting, you started with a full special gauge and got weaker as you spent it. You had to manually recharge, and your meter could be sapped by an uncontested taunting. Street Fighter 2 had no taunts...but Alpha added them, though they didn't do anything, excluding one. Cue Dan's introduction - visually he's immediately recognized as the call out that he is, but not the full extent save for by afficionados of both games. Dan's fireball is weak...because he's burning no meter to power it. His kicks aren't hurricane...because his are self-taught. His uppercut, the same...but he'd actually trained that move, somewhat, under Gouken, so it wasn't finessed. He's operating under SNK philosophy in the wrong game. His super fireball is comparatively weak because it's literally an Art of Fighting regular move spending meter. And because of his entire existence being a wrong gemre savvy in-joke, it is why he was the ONLY characters, for some time, to have unlimited taunts versus everyone else's one per round. The Gō Hibiki jokes only deepened the memetic goodness. It also helps that the system humor holds better when one realizes how SNK moved away from it in other franchises. When the Kyokugen clan isn't tied to the Special meter, they get far more powerful and effective - and in time, so does Dan. Even within Alpha, starting with full meters gives better viability than games where one starts empty - like the crossover games.

[@LordHollow]

Snk giving Yuri Akuma's entire moveset is hilarious.

[@D3Vlicious]

Thanks to all that, it's basically canon that Yuri is SNK's Taskmaster, able to copy moves just by looking at them (but never having enough drive to truly master them).

[@theboihilbirt1277]

I'm think already see Orochi Yuri in many mugen games for "reason". Probably everything possible

[@suckassmork2972]

Wait, which Yuri are talking about? Kof or Aof?

[@austinreed7343]

@@D3Vlicious A new CvS that played like Marvel could take it to its logical extreme. Imagine Yuri replacing her Haoh Sho Ko Ken with a Proton Cannon.

[@MrCactuar13]

I think the joke with Dan's taunting goes a bit deeper. You could only taunt once a round in the old Alpha games, but Dan was the exception who can taunt as often as he wanted. This was supposed to reference how taunting is a central mechanic in Art of Fighting where it lowered the opponent's power gauge thing. So Dan going overboard with all the taunting is yet again making fun of Art of Fighting.

[@CookiShark]

“Mr. Rooflemonger, this is the fifth time you talked about SNK Dan in class” “Ms. Viewer….this one is different! I talk about Yuri too!”

[@Rooflemonger]

last video I remember talking about dan for any depth was like 4 years ago unless im drawing a big blank

[@CookiShark]

Nah, I mean he just gets brought up anytime SNK is mentioned. (It’s all good, still love the videos[also funny movie quote])

[@leandrodavid6256]

Don't forget that Dan and Joe were the official winners of CvS1 🤯

[@ryanm.8720]

And a throwaway line at the start of Dan's Character Story in 'Street Fighter V' implies that the tournament was canon to the Street Fighter universe (which foreshadows Terry and Mai's inclusion in Season 2 of 'Street Fighter 6').

[@leandrodavid6256]

@ryanm.8720 good catch

[@austinreed7343]

@@ryanm.8720 It could also mean Morrigan in S3…

[@mrpinguimninja]

So you're telling me Yuri is the ultimate shoto to rule them all? Never would've guessed

[@Rooflemonger]

When (yeah WHEN, NOT IF) Dan returns in SF6, I would like him to have a healthy fear of Terry and Mai. He never knew the people he talked mess about for years would finally show up in his backyard.

[@noboty4168]

Taunt to get get bodied is a true combo.

[@GhengisJohn]

I'd like it if he actually knows everybody already and he comes by south town sometimes to train under Ryo before thinking he's picked up the technique that will complete his style after a couple weeks, goes rushing off all excitedly and comes back for continued pointers again and again. Explaining his slow but continued progress.

[@realchezboi]

I believe his dojo or an advertisement for his dojo can be found somewhere in World Tour? Also the Saikyo Style practitioner in the Post-game Nayshall Tournament

[@pigglesgoomshby7249]

A FELLOW DAN TRUTHER I SEE, like c’mon, this game is led by the two dev leads who when having the entire history of SF at their fingertips, chose Dan as their first character to show off the new direction for SFV, he WILL make it in 6 and I WILL have my boy back saikyo-ing on the masses

[@Carlitonsp1]

Ryo made a lot more sense once I heard the connection that he's more like "Normalized Goku". Makes more sense with the Spirit meter and the Spikey blonde hair. (Super Saiyan debuted in 1991)

[@realchezboi]

I like thinking he has Goku's personality too, very serious about training, loves his friends and family, kind of a farmboy himbo.

[@noboty4168]

@@realchezboi I am glad I read that twice.

[@brandonsellers1076]

And the orange Gi with the undershirt is the same as Goku's Gi. Wow. I never heard this before but it makes perfect sense. He just needed a beam super that was blue. 😅

[@hungrywolf1517]

His dad does one in KOF 2002. It's badass too​@@brandonsellers1076

[@WoobertAIO]

@@brandonsellers1076 Takuma still doesn't teach him that one, unfortunately

[@shaolinotter]

"the best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be" -Dan Hibiki

[@goose-gz2ik]

“Poop and run until you succeed” -Dan Hibiki

[@josh.a0311]

-Dan "The Hitman" Hibiki

[@GeekGhostGamerTop]

It's awesome what Capcom and SNK have achieved, only to reconnect like long lost "lovers". It's hilarious and heartwarming as well......DANGIT!!!!! I'M ABOUT TO CRY!!!!

[@m3tl1kv3e9]

Capcom vs Snk 3 Revival of Millennium Someday.

[@gustyko8668]

Their rivalry actually goes even deeper than that..... and not just with fighting games. Back in the 80's gaming companies usually hired other company's workers in secret, so that they could make very similar games. That's why they rarely put the worker's names on the credits.

[@phdbot4483]

The Capcom vs SNK games calling back on each other's rivalry is another fun thing that happened with each other, like what you mentioned with Guile and Rugal. I remember Dan and Ryo claiming that they've stolen each other's moves.

[@ShinHouou]

Lest we forget, SNK gave Dan his version of the Haou Shoukou Ken first, with SVC Chaos and Dan's Gadou Shoukou Ken; it was repurposed in Street Fighter IV as the Haoh Gadouken. Also, half of the joke is that the SNK characters kept confusing Dan for Robert. SNK was willing to play along with Dan's antics.

[@tedjomuljono3052]

that's because Robert's gi is probably also pink, Dan's color palette is based of Robert's AOF1 promo artwork, where he wore pink suit and pants(not orange vest and white pants like the in-game artwork) SNK also flipped the "dud projectile/Gadouken is bad" by making the majority of KOF characters fire similar kinds of projectiles for over 3 years(96, 97, 98), heck Ryo still can't fire a normal Ko Oh Ken for a few more years after that

[@shawnn33]

Gotta give you props for the amount of research I’m sure it took to make this video

[@Rooflemonger]

this one def took longer to make than a usual vid, with all the editing especially.

[@ThiefofRPGistheWanderingSoul]

Yuri's Raging Demon in KoF 2001 is up there as one of the best Super moves in all of fighting games

[@yeetskeet3]

I never knew this level of pettiness existed😂

[@uxm4life94]

Worth mentioning is Crimson Viper. Looks and acts like Vanessa, moves animate like Terry and has the Esaka/Orichi teams fire/lighning/earth powers. Definitely a SNK tribute.

[@D3Vlicious]

The biggest joke SNK played was making sure that Yuri, who they made to riff on Dan and SF, was consistently one of the best characters in the games.

[@richardx1157]

Imma be honest, I didn't know that was Yuri's whole shtick, and I grew up playing KoF, tough I didn't played too many Capcom Figthing games, I never gave Yuri too much thought, but legit, now I might pick her up and play her, that's a very interesting story ngl

[@Forte.in.G]

My favorite interaction ever in a fighting aside from Tekken Jack shenanigans is dan and Yuri sharing a "Chou no use!" Moment

[@GmNdWtchr96]

SNK is clearly in on the joke about Sean (undeservedly) being the "new Dan," since Yuri hasn't bothered taking from him.

[@ryanm.8720]

Ironically; the only company that copied Sean's moves was Capcom themselves.

[@jaderabbit898]

Honestly, I'd love to see what an SF6 Dan and MAYBE COTW (or new AoF) Yuri looks like. See how much they've evolved with their movesets, personality and more importantly, costumes.

[@pigglesgoomshby7249]

Since Ryu grew out his beard, it’d be funny imo if Dan grew a mustache to look more like his dad

[@Henyo5566]

​@@pigglesgoomshby7249Better yet, give him a Mr karate like alter ego. That's two birds with one stone.

[@Thomas-ye7jk]

​@Henyo5566 I feel like Dan becoming like Mr. Karate is the logical next step

[@AustinT97]

This was an informative video, Rooflemonger. Also, Capcom taking other companies to court doesn't suprise me at all, but I'd like to see talk about it in a future video. I guess Capcom walked so Nintendo could run in this instance.

[@TonyJenn]

Nah. Nintendo was doing stuff like that in the 80s as well. Lol

[@bhlakbatosai]

The main & biggest lawsuit was against Data East's Fighter's History. Look it up.

[@DecepySwag]

I love the pettiness between the 2 companies LOL I hope in the future they take a couple friendly jabs at eachother. Great video Roofle

[@neoyaku]

Not guile as a statue lmao 😂

[@bogbupog]

Looking forward to the video a out capcom in the courthouse

[@Rooflemonger]

haha maybe one day we will get around to it, that footage in the video is actually a very new development as its only been recently released to the public. Thank you verey much for the support!

[@mobas07]

In CVS2 if you play Yuri vs Dan they try to outpose each other.

[@GoTenDu]

It was actually SNK who invented the idea that Dan had access to the Haoh Sho Ko'oh Ken as well as a couple other Kyokugenryu moves, in the SVC: CHAOS crossover.

[@ChorizoPringoso]

Dan's journey feom being a SNK spoof to become his own character was quite amazing

[@gonzalogca4907]

SVC Chaos' intros are just SNK going all the way with the Dan jokes to make fun of the whole thing.

[@NeoZiggy92]

Ah, my most favorite rivalry between gaming companies. Glad it was more of a friendlier one (Think Sonic/Knuckles)

[@BeardedNerdSE]

Dan goes back even further than Alpha 1. In early SF2 era artwork, there's a full page artwork of Sagat holding a beaten fighter in an orange gi with a ponytail. The artwork isn't dated in my book and Eternal Challengers attributes it to SF2. There's only the initial 12 characters in this set, so it's likely to be before Super at least.

[@yangshindo8664]

this is a precious friendship. I wish the best for both capcom and snk

[@JalauroUrsa]

I consider them the Japanese Marvel and DC, and you can't deny the greatness of Capcom and SNK. I love them, both! Also, two things you didn't mention: When Street Fighter V caught heat, and dropped to $20.00 in GameStop, SNK posted a picture of Kula mocking Street Fighter V, for its low price. Also, Ken's weird SFV face: SNK placed that same weird Ken smile on several pictures of the KOF XIV cast. This happened back between 2016 to 2018. It was hilarious.

[@unrulydgj9589]

Im pretty sure that Ryo,s ranbu super is the first super move in fighting games

[@Xmusicana]

Buster wolf when

[@Hell_Soll]

huh I totaly forgot about the Guile statue in Rugal's chamber, now that special intro in CVS makes a lot more sense to me!

[@danielqv]

CvS3 is gonna go SO HARD, I need to stay alive until it comes out, and go to Evo that year and be so happy.

[@DanPankrat]

I wonder why Capcom didn’t create a Mai Shiranyu parody

[@Rooflemonger]

frankly cause I don't think they know how to go full comedy with a lady character like SNK can. Mika is the closest, and even then she's just more peppy than anything else.

[@Moon-Drop93]

It's crazy seeing this rivalry come back to life. it's how you know snk is actually doing good

[@miggypeso909]

Ya know,Ryo and Robert weren’t rip offs,Rob being original and Ryo being a combo of two characters the creator of AoF created before that went on to be huge. All four have the same father. Ryo was his way of saying,” I created your best characters and I can do it again!” . This is how I always heard it from the guys who are into the behind the scenes stuff heavily.

[@Ice-Climber]

It's also worth bringing up the ton of ex-Capcom staff working at SNK starting with Fatal Fury. There was probably some bad blood from the beginning.

[@vonVile]

It goes back farther than that. Akuma is a copy of Art Of Fighting's Mr. Karate. Akuma stole his move set all the way down to the super. The only reason Akuma's super goes black is because Capcom didn't have the time to animate it. As for a time frame AOF came out 9/92 and SSF2T was 3/93.

[@electropelotudo1774]

Bruh in the video he said the ryuuko ranbu is snks version of the raging demon, when the ranbu is the first super move in fighting games, its the other way around.

[@markula_4040]

Street Fighter Alpha 2 Dan: Hey Blondie, here's a quarter. Get your own moves. Ken: Who are you? Do you know the art of fighting?

[@sasuke0079]

I know it's not straight from snk, but talking about sf parodies, I'd mention Bonus Kun for sure, appeared on neogeo both in galaxy fight and waku waku 7, where he also has a music theme inspired by ryu's. And unlike dan, he's very fun to play, too!

[@xcreenplay7264]

11:02 Wow I had no idea was yuri in AOF and was trained 😮

[@chickrepelant]

never really noticed yuri's move set being that intentional

[@DGFTardin]

Ryo is more of a Kenshiro (Fist of the north star) ripoff than Ryu's.

[@SeiryuuX]

13:02 another thing that KOF2001 Yuri took from Capcom was Felicia's stage intro from Vampire Savior

[@GuntanksInSpace]

Watching this as a fighting game fan from the '90s, still managing to catch the old Capcom vs SNK Rivalry (and the endless fan-bickering, holy fuck), yeah this is mostly spot-on. It's also partly funny how it all looped around to them going from rivals to "ah, old friend", alongside say, Dimps (who did SF4 and SF5) being made of former Capcom and SNK staff (or hell, when Shinkiro, THE SNK artist, would end up staying with Capcom after the 2000 Bankruptcy) among many others.

[@RosaryFGC]

Wow, this video made me a Dan fan, lol. I love SNK and Capcom !

[@Triniwn]

Isn't the Red Dan Fireball also basically a reference to Shingo's critical hits? always thought that was easily one of the best nerfs of all time, removing an infinite by giving the chance for extra damage in a way that also serves as another fitting reference

[@sonder420]

I think he should go back to looking like Steven seagal

[@michaelromeo9567]

SNK Characters >>>>>>>>>>> Capcom's SNK Systems >>>>>>>>>>>>> Capcom's SNK gameplays >>>>>>>>>>> Capcom's.. 😎😎

[@hermontarmand2404]

Capcom's popularity & success >>>>>>>>>>>>>> SNK's 😁 (Don't get me wrong, I'm a SNK lifetime fan)

[@sasuke0079]

​@@hermontarmand2404 true, but we should not value numbers so much, otherwise we should trust flies' taste for shit 😉

[@pierrelewis6819]

Comes to Yuri, and Dan, growing up it never crossed my mind that, they were meant to be joke characters, and I've never knew about Yuri, until the 2nd Capcom vs SNK and k o f 99, maybe like a year later. I have no idea, when it comes to my memory. The point being, I never made a connection with these characters. For the record, Dan and Yuri, are my absolutely favorite characters to fight with.

[@Raidanzoup]

Oh, Yuri's way cooler to me now. In the same way that it's fun to learn why Dan is the way he is.

[@captainnavigator6534]

Damn I never made the connection between Dan's vs2 and garou feint cancels

[@k0L082]

I like how SNK makes their character’s poster boy in their games powerful like Ryo while Capcom…well, Capcom mocks their poster boy more than anything

[@atasukecetin90]

The fear of pink in the 90s was real 😂

[@DenimTiger]

Roofles and McMuscles when?

[@Renoistic]

That Yuri artwork is terrifying.

[@marcomcdowell8861]

I hear my kid playing Super Smash Brothers and yelling at the game. I go see what he's going on about and he's complaining about a blonde character in a red jacket. I'm like "Terry Bogard"? He looks at me puzzled and says, "Yes". I laughed and told him good luck with that, "You'll probably get Buster Wolf'd, Burn Knuckled or Power Geysered", and left. It hit me that he had no clue who Terry was...and I felt old hahahaha. I don't think he ever played any fighting game except some Street Fighter II and a little Tekken. So I introduced him to FF/KOF. He's hooked.

[@JaimeAGB-pt4xl]

I ALWAYS told people that Jury was a Jab at the SF shotos like saying "a Kyokugen-Ryu practitioner that doesn't take things seriously can Also do all of the Shoto moves without much effort" .... Here is the Evidence 💪🏻👍🏻

[@FoolsGil]

I wish you brought up SVC Chaos, where SNK rizzed Dan up.

[@Rooflemonger]

I thought about it but vid already bordering 20 minutes as it stands, kinda just hit the core stuff.

[@austinreed7343]

And also dragged non-fighters into it.

[@jamesmeeks4852]

Dan"s pink Gi is from Master Eugene LaBell .

[@FlashGalatine]

If Akuma is supposed to be the "Hardest Working Man on The Planet," then I guess Yuri is the "Hardest Working Girl on The Universe ..." and then some.

[@randomsupergodzillalizardd9981]

“LOOKS LIKE ITS TIME TO OIL UP!🗣” #HakanForSF6

[@otgrey3927]

I legit didn't know some of Yuri's moves were rips on Capcom....although I did wonder about her "shuryu-reppa" (spelt wrong).

[@melvinshine9841]

I've always despised Dan and I don't want to see him in anything, ever again. It's worth noting that part of what started the whole Capcom and SNK "beef" was that a lot of the people who made Art of Fighting were former Capcom employees who made Street Fighter 2. Also, Dan isn't the only Capcom character who homages SNK; Roy from Rival Schools is, essentially, Ken and Terry fused together. Roy's blond, American, confident bordering on cocky, has a similar color scheme to Terry, is filthy rich like Ken, has a flaming dp and Shoryu-reppa/Shinryuken style super, a special that looks similar to Burn Knuckle, a special similar to Round Wave, and a super that's kind of a Power Wave/Triple Geyser hybrid.

[@laffy7204]

If want to introduce someone to KOF, just say it has Yuri in it

[@kamerfightinggamecommunity5582]

Dan is also in snk vs capcom chaos where snk gave him some of the most iconic move of ryo sakazaki...in a funny way lol

[@meganinten0078]

Dan Hibiki, he is a parody of Ryo and Robert, and also has Mizoguchi's (Fighter's History) flying kicks The man is truly a legend. Long live to the Saikyo Style! 😁 Edit: In The King of Fighters Maximum Impact Regulation A, Mizoguchi, who was a guest, has a special intro against Ryo where he accuses him of copying his fighting style

[@kebabman1236]

Wheres zangief vs tizoc!

[@ramonramirez3024]

My high school friend said the rivalry of Capcom and SNK feels like the rivalry of Disney and DreamWorks. Capcom is Disney and SNK is DreamWorks.

[@austinreed7343]

Is Mortal Kombat Illumination, then?

[@DevNode27]

10:52 it was probably a matter of picking two characters on the select screen and mashing the rest but i guffawed when i saw kyo and beni in the background and went "what the fuck is joe doing here"

[@Rooflemonger]

spoilers for kof 16 team comp

[@Fourwalls2]

Wasn't Art of Fighting made by a lot of ex-Capcom staff? Apparently Remy is a parody of Iori and Ash is a parody of Remy which is convoluted.

[@zeeviz]

Also alpha 1's other secret characters Akuma and M.bipson came playable so where's Dan? Logical additon to the roster. Makes sense to me.

[@NemXX2]

I've been thinking. We all want a CvS3, but i am worried it can't live up to expectations. CvS2 had a crazy huge roster. I just cannot imagine them doing something like that again. Maybe SNK can, cause they kind of do it with KoF already, but there is a difference between the graphical detail of a KoFXV and SF6. So... maybe an SvC2? CvS3 will have roster issues. They got Terry and Mai done, but it takes quite some time to make new characters. I think i would prefer SvC2 if it meant a bigger roster, but i don't think everyone would be happy with the graphical compromises.

[@GORO911]

Can't call SNK's Ryo a rip off Capcom's Ryu. After all it was Takashi Nishiyama who created SF1 and with it creating the shoto archetype. The same man went to work for SNK and created the Art of fighting series. It was the same man who created both games. One can't be ripping off himself. 🙂

[@eliholland1365]

This. It is the most amazing oversight in the video to not mention the guy that made SF1 left to SNK and made Art of Fighting.

[@t.b.g.animation6185]

Dan the man

[@rosaL8008]

15:01 dan had this in sf4 it was part of his omega moveset

[@Rooflemonger]

nothing in omega mode is real until it is though

[@rosaL8008]

@ i understand

[@disonalvan]

3:35 not to dig too deep but doesn't Dan steal this character's whole color combo? and then later in the video i find out this is actually Yuri who becomes SNK's own capcom mocking character? uuuuuuuuuuuhm can't be a coincidence right

[@austinreed7343]

It would be funny if Megaman X9 added a Maverick based on a Martian to be a parody of the Mars People, so they can drag their non-FG franchises into it.

[@snorlays]

Can you do a Rage of the Dragons NEO video, I would love to see your type of game showcase on it.

[@wormerine8029]

Hey, Rooflem. It seems Shadow of Erdtree's nomination for the Game of the Year during this years Game Awards sparked some controversy, but I was even more confused by Marvel vs Capcom Fighting Collection being considered for the Best Fighting Game. I am curious who someone far more knowledgable in fighting games (I just started with SF6) thinks of this. From my understanding MvsC Collection is just a compilation of ports of older games. I understand it is a very well done compilation, with some very welcome upgrades and features, like making online play good, but... really? I can get behind full on remakes, as long as they rething and redesign the core game, but to nominate a rerelease of a classic game seems mental. Am I missing something? Is there a more fundamental creative change that happened in MvsC Collection that makes it worth being treated as a seperate entry?

[@ajshiro3957]

Ryo you say? Is this Ryo guy looking for sailors? XD But the first time I heard about art of Fighting was through Fatal fury. It was mentioned by some friend of mine.

[@Rooflemonger]

different ryo is the one looking for sailors lol

[@coryharris1939]

Yeah but in the club, we all fam

[@rockstarkooler]

THE KING OF FIGHTERS 98. is best every 90 's Game

[@Janitandurr]

If Dan didn’t get in SF6 we gonna start a riot😂

[@maninredhelm]

With Akuma and Sakura basically jacking their styles from Mr. Karate and Yuri, maybe what SNK should have done to respond to Dan was create a parody character that resembled Akuma wearing a schoolgirl uniform. All of his special moves could be invisible like how Akuma's Raging Demon is just Mr. Karate's Ryuuko Ranbu without any animation.

[@Thomas-ye7jk]

I said it once and I'll say to again, Dan the MAN, will come back. There's too much evidence in WT.

[@titanuranus8963]

Mr. Karate doesn't even get a mention?

[@CountyLaw]

KOF should have a Street Fighter team.

[@lpilpi1456]

Nice vid, any plans on doing a vid on the release of revenge of the dragon? A fg that just came out

[@lpilpi1456]

Rage of the dragon, i mean😅

[@Rooflemonger]

maybe, theres a window for that kinda stuff and honestly I had to focus on the MK patch first and foremost

[@lpilpi1456]

@rooflemonger 👌

[@realchezboi]

I honestly want Ryo in

[@nekopath2879]

They could have added Dan to city of the wolfs and yuri to sf6 instead of giving us "the other Ken and Chun-li" in in sf6 and "the other Terry and Mai" in city of the wolfs

[@rockstarkooler]

at the end THE KING OF FIGHTERS 98. wins -Dan Hibiki

[@NationalistAF]

SNK # 1

[@conradojavier7547]

If Sakura Is playable in SF6, She should play more lile Yuri Sakazaki.