The History of History | Rapid Historiography

[@CynicalHistorian]

Thanks for watching, and please consider supporting the channel by buying merch: teespring.com/stores/the-cynical-historian Or by donating to my Patreon: www.patreon.com/CynicalHistorian See below the "read more" for additional info, but first, here are some related videos to check out: Playlist on how to research history: kzbin.info/aero/PLjnwpaclU4wU5T64ixCALFUC6c6cQJjL- Playlist of historiography videos: kzbin.info/aero/PLjnwpaclU4wUYMDmuznH5PvCoAlMRReX6 *[reserved for errata]* *References* James M. Banner, _The Ever-Changing Past: Why All History Is Revisionist History_ (New Haven, Conn.: Yale University Press, 2021), audiobook. amzn.to/3y0Y8er Peter Gunn, _History and Cultural Theory_ (Oxon, UK: Pearson Education Limited, 2006). amzn.to/2uWmK9F Peter Charles Hoffer, _Past Imperfect: Facts, Fictions, Fraud American History from Bancroft and Parkman to Ambrose, Bellesiles, Ellis, and Goodwin_ (New York: Public Affairs, 2004). amzn.to/2OQJh0m Lloyd Kramer and Sarah Maza, eds., _A Companion to Western Historical Thought_ (Malden, Mass.: Blackwell Publishing, 2002). amzn.to/2LhuzSf Edward T. Linenthal and Tom Engelhardt, _History Wars: The Enola Gay and other Battles for the American Past_ (New York: Henry Holt and Company, 1996). amzn.to/2pHmglK Peter Novick, _That Noble Dream: The 'Objectivity Question' and the American Historical Profession_ (Cambridge, UK: Cambridge University Press, 1988). amzn.to/2D3NM46 William H. Sewell, _Logics of History: Social Theory and Social Transformation_ (Chicago, Ill.: University of Chicago Press, 2005). amzn.to/2ZvH5Cs Kate Turabian, _A Manual for Writers: of Research Papers, Theses, and Dissertations, Chicago Style for Students and Researchers,_ 8th ed. (Chicago, Ill.: University of Chicago Press, 2013). amzn.to/2Kd5ORK Some of the topics covered in more depth elsewhere on this channel: EP Thompson and Marxism: kzbin.info/www/bejne/f5jFapmVmLiFeM0 Pragmatism: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nKKzcqF8m7V9q80 Orthodoxy vs. revisionism vs. post-revisionism: kzbin.info/www/bejne/roKqpGabjt16iNk book review of the cheese and the worms: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iH68oWqVadKsma8 Feminism: kzbin.info/www/bejne/f3yQgpiZnc2Se8U Rise of the New Left: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nH3bgYiZj7B5q7s Ranke: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eZe7iGZtfMuhe6c Braudel: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kKrCmZ2kbJV9j5I

[@rubies2905]

Is Microhistory what Howard Zinn focuses on or is he a revisionist??

[@rubies2905]

Great quick recap video! Thank you!!

[@bobwilson7684]

the less Bs by now on the internet about history, nice video, you read all those books!! lol, what a brain you must have ))

[@stifledvoice]

Thanks professor. I took an historiography course over 30 years ago, and I recognize those same books.Still got them too. Nice capsulized synopsis.

[@erzar.1730]

Alternate title: A historian talks about history of history of history in this video about historiography

[@colinb8623]

So is this gonna a history of comments about the history of this alternate title: a cynical historan talks about the history of the history of history?

[@CaeruleanXII]

This is a great overview that hits the important notes, names them clearly and gives examples of their notable proponents in such a way that it makes it easy to find info on whatever part you want to delve into next. Excellent work!

[@wafflepoet5437]

*Thank you* for dropping a video on historiography. I have been struggling with people for so long trying to get them to understand how *actual* historians develop their work and I’ve never been able to succinctly explain the tools and process I was taught at university.

[@danupp3839]

Loved your description of Post-Modernism. Great video. I've never looked too far into historiography so this taught me a good deal and gave me a lot to think about. Thanks for continuing to make these great videos!

[@bvigil1888]

This video came out at just the right time for me. I am a CSULB student taking a class in Intercultural Communication and I literally just finished reading a chapter on History of Intercultural Communication and I feel this video makes for a good companion piece. Thank you for this informative video. :)

[@k-majik]

As a first-year History PhD student, I can safely say this is marvellous. To simply sum up my historiographical outlook: the more perspectives on the past we have, the better we understand our history. This kind of video will hopefully encourage people to develop those perspectives :)

[@JMM33RanMA]

Wow! You covered three times as much as my first semester of graduate historiography! Admittedly the course, not to mention my career in history, was terminated by the closure following the Kent State Massacre. I'd say it was one of the most interesting courses I took in grad school. Another extremely interesting course was the senior UG Modern European History course, taught by a professor who was the daughter of Eduard Beneš [former Czechoslovakian President]. She emphasized Central and Eastern European history, and had little praise for either Germany or Russia/USSR [NO surprise!]. I have a feeling that Madeleine Albright would teach a similar course. Congratulations on a very interesting video, and thanks for the really fast trip down memory lane!

[@artkoenig9434]

Thank you for your summary of the various schools of historiography. You hit the highpoints and managed to pull it off quite well!

[@CubeyP]

Wow I LOVED this video. Please give us more about the progression of knowledge and thought about historical subjects, as that context can be as enlightening as the modern consensus.

[@lorensims4846]

I'm convinced that history is continually moving forward toward a more perfect and complete description, of course inevitably as viewed from within the current zeitgeist. Which will give more useful data to future historians who are also working within their own intellectual biases. I do enjoy the histories written in the last few decades very much, but perhaps because they are describing history aligned more closely with my own contemporary world-view.

[@ben9975]

there are a lot of people who are never in a position to go to school and learn these invaluable skills for approaching an understanding of our world. videos like this are so important. thank you

[@dreww8941]

I had to forgo a history minor to pursue law and psych, but channels such as yours and Mr. Beat are good supplements.

[@omalone1169]

10:32 new book

[@dionspring3212]

Easily one of the best history related content I've watched on KZbin. Sometimes I wish I did a history degree

[@lilomorales6181]

Same!

[@ArmyNavyAcademy]

As a historian this is very interesting, working on my next history book so was looking into this as well because it's such an interesting topic

[@zacharysmith4508]

While growing up I never enjoyed history, thinking it was boring and kind of masturbatory. Now I'm regretting not enjoying the field sooner! Part of that has to do with your channel, keep doing what you're doing.

[@BoffinGrusky]

Impressive presentation with LOTS of food for thought. Well done!

[@omalone1169]

Not sure about the suggestion Ferguson is fringe

[@musicsubicandcebu1774]

"The cavalry principle provides a simple formula which can account for the complex, contradictory behaviour of humans. To review this briefly: aggression, through selection, has evolved to err on the side of excess - and always exert pressure. The resulting anxiety can be relieved in two basic ways: by consuming the instinct through warfare (the Alexandrian tradition), or by writing a poem about it (the Homeric). Both exacerbate the problem: for violence, as we know, merely begets more violence; and poetry, in dignifying it, endorses it. Such circumstances have enabled aggression to become so formidable a weapon it now controls us. So distorted has the battle for survival come to be that what was once just an arms race has become an arts race too: those who create more (subjugate more aggression) get to destroy more." An example is the German culture with its notable composers.

[@MimiMortmain]

I did my masters dissertation largely on the philosophy of history and I cannot emphasis how useful a video like this would have been. All I wanted was for someone to explain in simple terms how everything fitted together rather than crying over all the heavy books 😅

[@Kobolds_in_a_trenchcoat]

Two things to say: 1. Two people named Beard and no beards on either of them? What a let down. Admittedly, one was a woman but that is not a good excuse, the cowards! 2. In case anyone is looking at marxist or socialist sources for whatever reason, know that different writers use socialism as the end state and communism as the end state. It's confusing but some use them interchangeably, some are inconsistent and, some switch which one is the end and which is the mid point.

[@wckvn]

I’m starting Masters in History… my first course is Western Historiography. So this video is right on time.

[@brianbadonde9251]

Ah yes, doing history. My favortie activity.

[@Fj3]

One of the best videos I've ever watched anywhere-- but if you could have a copiable official transcript of your own provided here, it shall elevate this video to an 11/10!

[@CynicalHistorian]

I go off script regularly, even in this, where I'm playing a bit of a high wire act

[@thats4thebirds]

That lil music drop after the intro was a bop dude.

[@24601percentdone]

Thank you so much! I've been taking a historiography seminar and to say the reading material is dense is an understatement. I'm excited to get back to it with perhaps a framework of understanding that you've provided- this will certainly make things easier.

[@jacobedward2401]

Hmm Lindybeige said in a video that he didn't care about the history of ideas, he only cared if the ideas were good ones. I thought that was a very dumb thing for a history buff to say.

[@Kobolds_in_a_trenchcoat]

Lindybeige isn't the worst historian on youtube or anything but he lacks any professional training (I'm pretty sure anyway) and it really shows sometimes. His takes aren't universally bad and he's definitely an excellent storyteller but he sometimes says very questionable things.

[@tardvandecluntproductions1278]

Lindybeige is not perfect, just like every human being.

[@SPDYellow]

Re:Your Comments on Objectivity: Supposedly, Howard Zinn said something about when he wrote his Peoples' History, he wasn't afraid of being accused of bias, because he believed that it wasn't possible to write a completely unbiased view of history. He said something along the lines of, "Even if he stuck solely to facts, the mere act of choosing which facts to mention and which to leave out is, in itself, an act of bias." I imagine you have your own views of Howard Zinn since you have more than a layman's knowledge of the field, but I thought it was interesting.

[@mwi3865]

So what I have gathered from this very in depth video is the Frankfurt school is the best and the whigs are the worst. This video is fascinating

[@skeletonkeysproductionskp]

Fascinating video bro, keep up the great work!

[@omalone1169]

13:55 it sounds like Martin Bernal and Howard Zinn

[@edivimo]

Oh god, you always says "history is complex" or something similar, right? Now I know why...

[@omalone1169]

Many thanks 19:35 is the book that even led me here

[@matthewmcneany]

Objective history is like a good cop - A nice ideal to aim for given the society we live in.

[@pilot.wav_theory]

the bg music in this video is fucking groovy

[@christopherdurham1999]

No mention of Hari Seldon and his equations of Psychohistory...

[@dougmattis9293]

Hey MisterHisterMan....nicely done, as usual. Amazing work, in fact. This one is so helpful; thank you!

[@historicalruss9769]

I'm starting my Masters in History next week and Historiography is my first class. Glad to see some academic content on KZbin in my field!

[@omalone1169]

Book: this noble dream

[@Iamguilherme]

Great video! Thank you

[@CaptainTingo]

It's almost midnight and I have a historiography exam in the morning...let's see if this video can save me 🙇🏻‍♀️

[@epicfail552]

Can we get a History of Memory/Cultural Memory episode possibly? I’d love to see your take on Pierre Nora and Jan Assmann

[@andrewjacks2716]

Idk if Cypher got a haircut or not, but his hair looks sharp in this one!

[@Sandra-hc4vo]

thanks, very informative!

[@diggs5142]

fantastic vid

[@gameboy008]

The Beard of Knowledge gave the world The Beard of Understanding.

[@mikecrump7368]

That was cool. Well done.

[@CptPipebeard]

I never thought I'd see Psychostick in a history video.

[@jurtra9090]

5:46 Caesar's Legion approves

[@201950201950]

Thank you that was awesome

[@PYRESATVARANASI]

Excelente vídeo 👍🏼✨. Soy historiador también y me encantó el formato. Fue corto, y preciso. Claro, no es nada profundo pero funciona como una base general.

[@HistoryOfRevolutions]

"Every single human soul has more meaning and value than the whole of history" - Nikolai Berdyaev

[@DATA-qt3nb]

Great "Psycostick" insert lmao

[@zombiemolly9711]

I love you!

[@jimlabbe8258]

Well done!

[@pennywaldrip3774]

The history of History... nice.

[@SemanticZen]

another great video. I see you're drinking Winchester rye. You should try the double oak (finished in sherry casks); quite tasty and a real bargain at less than $30.

[@kookieless]

put this video at 2x speed and damn this is a lot of info for 10 and a half minutes.

[@cookiestheentertainerchann7907]

Where do you place the Cambridge school?

[@eliscanfield3913]

Professor Cypher: Today we'll be talking about historiography me: Yes! ...i might be slightly mad, just very slightly mad... Media "makes people complacent and docile." Really, that sounds so much like "Back in *my* day we always respected our parents" or whatever.

[@diggs5142]

Explanation is not endorsement

[@rachyett]

Simon Gunn rather than Peter Gunn if anyone is looking for that book. Henry Mancini would be pleased :)

[@Scottd86]

Cypher, what are your thoughts on Neil Howe and William Strauss The Fourth Turning?

[@CynicalHistorian]

Seems like wishy washy theorizing to me

[@peterhaag5225]

I had the class from the head of the department who never teaches those intro classes. It was pretty wonderful. My grammar however was atrocious.

[@omalone1169]

15:10 Butler a historian ?

[@jimlabbe8258]

Can you recommend a good text specifically on methods of historical writing and essay composition?

[@CynicalHistorian]

That Tursbian book in the description is standardly assigned for that purpose

[@racer1125]

A nice way to dip ones toes into an ocean

[@mathieuleader8601]

the book creature in the thumbnail looks like how I would imagine the wizard to look like in a reboot of Pagemaster or some kind of SCP

[@renobgm]

I literally just recently discovered your channel, and also just two or three days ago looked this exact thing up. Are you psychic

[@CynicalHistorian]

I KNOW ALL, MWAHAHA

[@warlordofbritannia]

My historiographical hot takes: Thucydides is DaDdY, not Herodotus John Demos >>> Boyer and Nissenbaum Livy is just the Roman Herodotus Gibbon is still useful, though in particular for historiographical studies Charles Oman still holds up in most matters Cambyses killed his brother Mary Beard actually had a beard, but it was airbrushed out of all visual depictions Richard III apologists are just stupid contrarians All JFK assassination conspiracy theories are true at once, actually

[@tarasdubenskyy508]

Every historian is just a human, just a spider weaving some web..

[@lamadoracherryannec.4020]

How do i gets link of references

[@gelgamath_9903]

You get a like for the psychostick reference

[@marcusimpresario7724]

~ The Journalist's Creed: Never let the facts stand in the way of a good story. Never let truth stand in the way of The Narrative. ~

[@willgriff]

I hate that KZbin took two days to let me know about this video

[@CynicalHistorian]

That might explain it's getting so few views

[@willgriff]

@@CynicalHistorian keep ya head up joe, it's all good and you are doing important work.

[@Kobolds_in_a_trenchcoat]

@@CynicalHistorian wow, that is a low view count. No idea why, it's formatted a little different from your other content but not fundamentally unrelated or anything.

[@KarlWinterling]

So, uh... * Postmodernism: Categories like race, class, and gender are socially constructed. * Libertarian Marxism (AKA Neo-Marxism or New Left): People can make a better world together if they recognize current and historical mistreatment. Empiricism and changing your mind = good. * Frankfurt School: Modern entertainment makes you docile. * Great Leap Forward: Catastrophic famine caused by Mao Zedong implementing outrageously disastrous economic policies his own authoritarian communist economic advisors warned against. Mao was motivated by a desire to prove China's superiority as a nation and refused to change course when presented with evidence of a disaster.

[@jordancridland9657]

I have a question. Goodbye Uncle Tom 1971. is an Italian mondo film (pseudo documentaries made to shock audiences.) The premise is that these 2 Italian filmmakers go back in time and interview slaves, played by actors. Practices and opinions of the time are shown. I want to know if what happens in the documentary actually occurred. Because it looks like the purpose of the film is to shock and disgust the viewer out. WARNING- there's ALOT of nudity. And can be found on KZbin. I've been a fan of your channel for some time.

[@TheJayman213]

Another jab at the thesis-antithesis-synthesis-paradigm: At 7:30 it looks like communism is the synthesis of capitalism and socialism which is wild.

[@adamzandarski8933]

It's Mitchell fucko forever now

[@Kobolds_in_a_trenchcoat]

This is objectively true.

[@benoitraulin1264]

Génial

[@NotHPotter]

Hey, look at Fucko over here!

[@nicolaseito5172]

There is pareto history theory too.

[@younggamer7218]

Yeah it really is an interesting thing

[@sket4ket47]

The bourgeois aren't the middle class. In Marxism there is no middle class. There are the proletariat (those who work) and bourgeois (those who own). Petit bourgeois are people who do both. For example a small business owner

[@Seth-jn2yq]

Believe it or not I searched for this

[@AbdulHannanAbdulMatheen]

👏🙂

[@eddrupz1805]

Its Simon Gunn, not Peter Gunn.

[@CynicalHistorian]

Could you please time stamp where i made that mistake?

[@LostDreamerX]

Wow

[@theshenpartei]

Got the notification

[@lion9460]

jesus, cipher. do you EVER blink? (good vid tho)

[@CynicalHistorian]

Never! (It's a trick of cutting so quickly)

[@ZetaEntity101]

Is a history of history how original 😏

[@jacobedward2401]

Are you lonely and sad? Grow a beard! Want to look good in plaid? Grow a beard!

[@unhomesenzill4366]

I feel like I watched this before

[@freshjohn.]

The statue of the old man that you always put different glasses on… Who the heck is he? What is his name? And what is he holding up?? It’s starting to drive me mad. Jk but I seriously would like to know his name please? because I want to google him!! I can’t figure out who he is. Apparently there are a shit ton of statues that were made of men holding up things from lanterns all the way to holding up heads. So please would you please enlighten me? I would seriously highly appreciate it. Thanks. Bye the way, I’m a new subscriber! Cool channel! Good shit man!

[@CynicalHistorian]

It's Diogenes holding a lantern in the shape of a zero = cynical cypher

[@glhmedic]

You know if you slow your speech to normal this video would 2 hours. Just saying

[@warriorwhacko]

Ahh, Michel Fucko. Distant cousin of noted game developer Fred Fuchs featured on AVGN.

[@varisleek3360]

beard life.

[@mudgetheexpendable]

You got to Gramsci and my brain started playing Tetris all by itself. This is proof of the absolute cultural flux we're in while the world waits for China to set the new rules.

[@lipingrahman6648]

A much better way of thinking about history is first and foremost abandon any form of teleology. The real knowledge we have gotten from Science has shown that there is no point or purpose or direction to the happenings to the universe, least still one little species on one little world amid the black seas of infinity. And certainly not the little thing we call human history. Likewise the very silly contingencies of nation, peace, justice, gender, equality, blood, race, and all philosophies, etc are wholly inappropriate to describe the history of a species that is 300,000 years old and a genus of millions of years old. The little history we learn in schools and the various faith systems around them are but a most insignificant part of the real history of this planet or this universe which are billions of years old.

[@Spaghetter813]

What you desribed as "real history" is initself largely insignificant to our purposeless reality.

[@beacebrocess]

history is just shit happening

[@KevinContreras2013]

Not only that, but why it happened

[@beacebrocess]

@@KevinContreras2013 nah gimme that nice and dry “this happened and then this happened” i want history to be written like it’s a DMV manual. Thiccc tomes of pure information

[@Kobolds_in_a_trenchcoat]

@@beacebrocess that's not history then, it's a chronicle. History is an explanation of why things happened, not just what happened. (also neither is objective since you still have to decide what goes into a chronicle but still)

[@Reynaldo-j1s]

This video is a mess of information and concepts times thinkers policies just dumped at 200 miles anhour

[@CynicalHistorian]

Did you ignore the "rapid" part of the title?