The History of the Scriptures | Doug Batchelor | The Lineage Journey Podcast

Doug Batchelor was living in a cave in California when he stumbled across a Bible and it changed his life, his career and calling and he in turn has been instrumental in changing many other peoples lives also. In this episode we delve into the history of the Bible and look at its impact, not just in Doug’s life but the broader impact on society and how this amazing Book can change your life too!
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[@jeanelizabethterry7583]

There will be. There are now. Prophecied. I am a newer SDA. There is no arrogance or feeling of superiority in the Adventist Church i attend. Just an eagerness to share the truth.

[@kowanmcgarry]

Thank you to The Lineage Journey, Doug Batchelor is my favorite pastor in the world.❤❤❤

[@davidbeckhambecks]

Pastor Doug is the reason I found truth he led my to the truth while I sat in prison

[@chrisdelong2932]

@@davidbeckhambecks Doug is a false trinitarian teacher. “Remember the words of Christ, remember that He is the unseen presence in the person of the Holy Spirit.” - Daughters of God, p. 185.2, Letter 124, March 7, 1897. Amen!

[@Bisekoson]

😂😂 so you just comment on every comment which support Doug. You cannot win, if devil is using you, so sorry. Devil never won against Jesus. So stop wasting your precious time, cause you keep diging your own grave ​@@chrisdelong2932

[@chrisdelong2932]

The unity that exists between Christ and His disciples does not destroy the personality of either. They are one in purpose, in mind, in character, but not in person. It is thus that God and Christ are one. {Ministry of Healing 422.1} trinity which he teaches is false Roman doctrine.

[@markfernandez7384]

God bless you brother

[@chrisdelong2932]

@@markfernandez7384 Doug Batchelor is a false trinitarian. Period. He teaches false doctrine against the Bible. “To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.” Isaiah 8:20. The people of God are directed to the Scriptures as their safeguard against the influence of false teachers and the delusive power of spirits of darkness. Satan employs every possible device to prevent men from obtaining a knowledge of the Bible; for its plain utterances reveal his deceptions. At every revival of God's work the prince of evil is aroused to more intense activity; he is now putting forth his utmost efforts for a final struggle against Christ and His followers. The last great delusion is soon to open before us. Antichrist is to perform his marvelous works in our sight. So closely will the counterfeit resemble the true that it will be impossible to distinguish between them except by the Holy Scriptures. By their testimony every statement and every miracle must be tested. GC 593.1 Amen! How many statements? EVERY statement MUST BE tested! Amen!

[@mick9919]

From the open heavens a voice was heard saying, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."”{DA 112}1898

[@okellojeremy2700]

Doug Batchelor. What a Man of God!

[@chrisdelong2932]

He is a trinitarian. He preaches the false doctrines of Rome, the antichrist. He is an agent of Rome. Wolf in sheep’s clothing to quote the Bible on apostasy. Amen!

[@chrisdelong2932]

@@okellojeremy2700 Doug Batchelor is a trinitarian. “But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.” 1 Corinthians 8:6 KJV. There is ONE God, the Father. Amen! Plain utterance of the Bible {GC 593.1} Scriptures A Safeguard. Amen!

[@okellojeremy2700]

@@chrisdelong2932 Why are you so eager for a controversy on this point?

[@chrisdelong2932]

@@okellojeremy2700 the truth shall make you free. John 8:32 - and if the Son makes you free, ye shall be free indeed. John 8:36

[@okellojeremy2700]

@@chrisdelong2932 Anyway, DOug Batchelor is a powerful preacher. He has very simplified teachings

[@Mhod56]

So happy to see Pastor Doug with Lineage crew,we love these guys they're awesome

[@chrisdelong2932]

@@Mhod56 Doug Batchelor is a false trinitarian teacher. Period. Contradicting the word of God. Bible says? “To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.” Isaiah 8:20 KJV Happy Sabbath! Amen!

[@rudymontalvo2002]

Love this man ❤Pastor D , love his sermons someday I’ll take the drive up north to hear him in person , blessings to All . And I watch lineage the history of the church wow very in formative safe travels sharing Gods word

[@chrisdelong2932]

“Remember the words of Christ, remember that He is the unseen presence in the person of the Holy Spirit.” - Daughters of God, p. 185.2, Letter 124, March 7, 1897. Amen!

[@dawn7220]

I was so happy to see a new podcast, it's been too long.

[@chrisdelong2932]

@@dawn7220 Doug Batchelor is a trinitarian. “But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.” 1 Corinthians 8:6 KJV. There is ONE God, the Father. Amen! Plain utterance of the Bible {GC 593.1} Scriptures A Safeguard. Amen!

[@jeanelizabethterry7583]

You are being misled. I have just been through this with a friend in my church who believes as you do. Prayers your way.​@@chrisdelong2932

[@lindaschipansky4429]

Explain John 14 starting at verse 7. verse 9 Seen me seen the Father​@@chrisdelong2932

[@LineageJourney]

We have a new one coming out every month now :)

[@dawn7220]

@@LineageJourney 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@rexrossignol1175]

Dòug Batchelor is my hero .

[@danceladyinred]

I love this message! I relearned so much, what I learned as a youth! Thank you!

[@saltlightoftheearth3913]

I was starting to listen to this podcast but the background music behind makes it hard. Conversations between people are so interesting there is no need for distracting background music - I hope this can be taken as constructive criticism. You may consider it for your next podcast. Keep up the good work - God bless you.

[@olamidet.iselowo2559]

“Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.” ‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2‬:‭5‬-‭7‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

[@olamidet.iselowo2559]

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.” ‭‭John‬ ‭1‬:‭1‬-‭3‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

[@ralphmaddocks7287]

Love Doug got me here

[@jswilliams-waldron7602]

This interview should be put on a loop and played continuously on college campuses. Theyve become do cynical and God-less that its discouraging. Well done gents❤

[@CozetM]

I love that these 2 people got together and did this.

[@jeanelizabethterry7583]

Amen

[@BonitaDean-o1e]

Wonderful easy to understand lineage! God bless you both!🙏

[@cherylboucaud2482]

AMEN !!!💙🙏💙

[@Bisekoson]

Doug is the germ, just 9th grade, and look at what is doing. Most humble guy in all ministries. What apps he mentioned he used for Bible reading and commentaries?

[@kowanmcgarry]

I thought that podcasts were audio only. I guess that changes when you upload it to KZbin, where video is the main product of content.😊

[@Avocuddle415]

Pastor, what audio books do you recommend for spiritual growth?

[@Joanne_uk]

The Bible and the conflict of ages series by EGW. When read together it’s amazing.

[@Avocuddle415]

@@Joanne_ukthanks I have her books I meant others besides her 😊

[@kita3256]

@@Avocuddle415Haskell’s books! Adventist Pioneer.

[@barangayelx6037]

@@Joanne_uk The Conflict (of Ages) series are the 5 books authored by EGW, The Patriarchs and Prophets, Prophets and Kings, The Desires of Ages the Acts of the Apostles and the Great Controversy. Is it right Madam?.

[@chrisdelong2932]

The unity that exists between Christ and His disciples does not destroy the personality of either. They are one in purpose, in mind, in character, but not in person. It is thus that God and Christ are one. {Ministry of Healing 422.1} Amen! There are not 3 gods in one. God the Father and Christ are separate persons according to both scripture and Spirit of Prophecy. Amen!

[@sharonwilhelm2173]

Wonderfully said!

[@nyombielijah2807]

We already saw that Lucifer began a conflict against God and Michael (Christ). But though God is all-powerful, He did not blot out Lucifer immediately. In this episode we explore why - and it is interesting what we learn about the character of God. You will appreciate God's dealings towards us all. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJCniYawZcR5sLs

[@mick9919]

Theologians and Scholars today claim, that Ellen White became a Trinitarian with the writing of the Desire of Ages in 1898. They tend to dumb down the people with their narrow quotes. Here are many points within the book that show us otherwise. Keep in mind in 1909 six years before her death, she wrote this statement in Testimonies for the Church, vol. 9, 189.3: “They have one God and one Saviour; and one Spirit-the Spirit of Christ-is to bring unity into their ranks.” If she was Trinitarian, she would have removed “Spirit of Christ” and wrote “God the Holy Spirit”. It is the Spirit of Christ that comes to us as a third person of the Godhead. Not someone else. Theologians and Scholars will sometimes say that Ellen White matured and with that, her beliefs changed when she got older. Well she grew up as a Methodist and knew what the Trinitarian doctrine was. In 1898 when the Desire of Ages came out, she was 71. Was she matured by then? How about 1909 when she clearly identifies the third person as the Spirit of Christ at age 82 in the Testimonies, vol. 9? How big of a lie do these leaders need to make? “All things Christ received from God, but He took to give. So in the heavenly courts, in His ministry for all created beings: through the beloved Son, the Father's life flows out to all; through the Son it returns, in praise and joyous service, a tide of love, to the great Source of all.” - (Desire Of Ages, p. 21) - Christ received everything from His Father including His life. "For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself." - John 5:26 “The dedication of the first-born had its origin in the earliest times. God had promised to give the First-born of heaven to save the sinner.” - (Desire of Ages, p. 51) - Jesus was the Son of God before He came to Earth. The trinity doctrine teaches all three are one god and that the Father sent Himself to die playing the role of the Son. Modern Adventism also claims that the church’s pioneers that formed the faith did not believe in Christ as the Son of God prior to his human birth in Bethlehem. This is very dishonest. “Satan well knew the position that Christ had held in heaven as the Beloved of the Father. That the Son of Godshould come to this earth as a man filled him with amazement and with apprehension. He could not fathom the mystery of this great sacrifice.” - (Desire of Ages, p. 115) - Same comment as above. “While Jesus ministers in the sanctuary above, He is still by His Spirit the minister of the church on earth. He is withdrawn from the eye of sense, but His parting promise is fulfilled, “Lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world.” Matt. 28:20. While He delegates His power to inferior ministers, His energizing presence is still with His church.” - (Desire of Ages, p. 166) - It is the Holy Spirit of Christ here on Earth working in us, not another being as per the trinity doctrine which is Satan's counterfeit for the Godhead. “The Saviour had spoken through all the prophets. “The Spirit of Christ which was in them” “testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.” - (Desire of Ages, p. 234) - The Holy Spirit in the Old Testament was also the Holy Spirit of Christ and not another literal being as per the trinity doctrine.

[@mick9919]

“The great Creator assembled the heavenly host, that he might in the presence of all the angels confer special honor upon his Son. The Son was seated on the throne with the Father, and the heavenly throng of holy angels was gathered around them. The Father then made known that it was ordained by himself that Christ, his Son, should be equal with himself; so that wherever was the presence of his Son, it was as his own presence. The word of the Son was to be obeyed as readily as the word of the Father. His Son he had invested with authority to command the heavenly host. Especially was his Son to work in union with himself in the anticipated creation of the earth and every living thing that should exist upon the earth. His Son would carry out his will and his purposes, but would do nothing of himself alone. The Father's will would be fulfilled in him.” 1SP 17.2

[@StoneIsland-ok8fs]

Мира суботствующим 🤚

[@FindingGodseverylastingHome]

Caves are neat though❤

[@chrisdelong2932]

Those who have had opportunities to hear and receive of the truth and who have united with the Seventh-day Adventist church, calling themselves the commandment-keeping people of God, and yet possess no more vitality and consecration to God than do the nominal churches, will receive the plagues of God just as verily as the churches who oppose the law of God.-Manuscript Releases 19:176 (1898). {LDE 172.2} The Chaff Separated From the Wheat Divisions will come in the church. Two parties will be developed. The wheat and tares grow up together for the harvest.-Selected Messages 2:114 (1896). {LDE 172.3} There will be a shaking of the sieve. The chaff must in time be separated from the wheat. Because iniquity abounds, the love of many waxes cold. It is the very time when the genuine will be the strongest.-Letter 46, 1887. {LDE 173.1}

[@bobbyjonas2332]

Doug Batchelor has done more for the kingdom of God than you could do in 20 lifetimes

[@chrisdelong2932]

@@bobbyjonas2332 yes, to deceive people onto believing in the false trinity of Rome. Something with which I and any Bible truth seeker would prefer NOT to be associated. Happy Sabbath!

[@amithickyet]

@@chrisdelong2932 Something tells me you haven't been listening, but I'll make sure to pray for you.

[@chrisdelong2932]

@@amithickyet “Remember the words of Christ, remember that He is the unseen presence in the person of the Holy Spirit.” - Daughters of God, p. 185.2, Letter 124, March 7, 1897. Amen!

[@sharonwilhelm2173]

​@@chrisdelong2932I am relatively new to SDA, and I was wondering what was originally taught by Ellen G. White regarding the "Trinity?" I am confused. I haven't been able to order any of her books yet to search for that answer.

[@KarlsKronicles]

The preservation of the Bible wasn't so much a group of people in particular, but it was preserved in the manuscripts from across the years. In this way no one person or group could take control of the scriptures for their own end. We have 6,000 greek ms and that doesn't include the writings of the church fathers or of the translations made over the years. We have an embarrassment of riches as Dan Wallace would say. Dan is a retired Textual Critic and founder of CSNTM (Center for the Study of New Testament Manuscripts).

[@PeterCobb-u7h]

I should say saves us in YAHUSHUA daily. Our beliefs in and of HIM,to do all the things HE did. Disciples/talmadim YAHUSHUA promised to do greater things than HE. Im in awe of that,but my belief, despite my unperfect consistency in trails and tribulations, I must and do believe HIM,that YAHUSHUA can with my belief in HIM cause me to do great this for the reign of ELOHIM.

[@lindaschipansky4429]

If Doug is wrong can u explain In John when Jesus said about seeing him they seen the Father. I think it was to philip

[@kitwarjri7086]

I saw in Pawn Stars, that one guy sold a page of the original Gutenberg Bible n its vry Beautiful with colors of green n red n it goes for nearly a million dollars n that is for just one page.Amazing

[@marybowers-em7oe]

I couldn't listen. The music in the background not good to hypnotic. Sad to say.

[@mick9919]

Be not deceived, many will depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils. We have now before us the alpha of this danger. The omega will be of a most startling nature.” 1 Selected Messages p196.197. Apostasy cannot be avoided.. The prophet said one thing was certain, “the great apostasy, which is developing and increasing and waxing stronger, will continue to do so until the Lord shall descend from heaven with a shout…” Series B7 p57. Dec 4. 1905.

[@StoneIsland-ok8fs]

: Откр 13:12 - этот текст показывает что звери находятся в одном временном пространстве! Дан 7 и 12 показывает что после 1260 царством овладеют святые! Шестой период пришествие.! (Об этом написано, к церкви, печати, трубы, и даже в шестой чаше,, се иду как тать,,) Седьмая труба время судить мертвых Откр 11:18 ¿¿¿¿¿¿¿? Если от даты например 3335( которая встречается в некоторых переводах дан 12:12) минуснуть 1000 лет выходит 2335, потом минуснуть 1260 лет (дан 7), получаем 1075, а это эдикт папы „диктат,, 28 доктрин (смотрите в Вике) чистое католичество без примесей. Первое тысячелетие нетронутое язычество. писание изменено в11 веке. Мерзость запустения дан 9:27 начало в 35+2300-2335. Римское католичество- 1075+1260-2335. Повторное время для христиан из язычников- 490 Откр 11:1 1845+(70*7)=2335 Быт:18:18-19. Откровение 21:5-7 Откр22:-6-10 Откр 19:10- свидетели Иисусовы, кто из вас пророчествует? АСД которые скрыли деятельность малого рога, будто она прошла до 1844. А св римская империя образовалась в 1034 и уже 1075 официально заявила о себе „диктатом,, папы. Так что первое тысячелетие язычество, вы смотрели ролик когда воскресенье заменило шабат на Руси?. Или почему аседы объясняют Откр 13, что первый зверь папство, типо со смертельной раной, уже свое откошмарил до французской революции плюс 1844, а счас гдето другой рычит вобразе америки хотя там ясно написано, что один действует перед другим, а это один промежуток времени 1260. А у Бога будет одна церковь, гонимая 1260, одетая во вретище 42 месяца или три дня с половиною или времена, время ипол времени 1075+1260-2335 Царство1000+2335= 3335 эту дату выдают некоторые переводы дан 12:12, в иврите звучит как несколько, а по факту написана единица (1)335. Дан 7 три раза обьясняет что после истукана (четырёх империй) царством овладеют святые и суд.так если после 1260 будет суд и воскресение Дан 12:2,7, то мы возвращаемся в начало создания католичества в 1075. 2300и будет оправдано? Начало мерзости, распятие Христа, 35+2300-2335 а это тоже судный день очищения а тоесть пришествие, почитайте в шестом периоде,, церковь, печать, труба. Ведь должно пройти тысячу лет мрака, а уж потом седьмая труба Откр 11:15-19 суд, стих 18„время судить мёртвых, а это седьмая труба и второе воскресение!!! Третий юбилей 70*7 теперь уже всем жителям земли дано испытательное время, как евреям Откр 11:1, ведь все считают себя христианами 1844(45)+490= 2335 внешний двор дан язычникам,, доколе не войдет полное число язычников,, Так кто там кого восхищает, смотрите на своих Волков в овечьих шкурах которые орут „скоро, скоро,, Не скоро, а „назначен день в который Господь будет праведно судить вселенную,, Поэтому весть „наступил час суда,, имеет смысл, что время уже тикает 2300 для дракона 1260 для зверя 490 для язычников христиан. Велком в 2335 Откр 11,12,13 (+ шестой период пришествие). Дан 7,8,9,12. Если вы свидетели Иисусовы, то пророчествуйте Откр 19:10. Так как при двух свидетелях свидетельство принимается 11:3, церковь будет во вретище и пепле 1260 лет, как в Ниневии, а если вы не во вретище то это уже-??? Написано сходящий с неба город будет в шестом периоде, это конец 6000,. Какая же вы лаодикия????)))))

[@mick9919]

Even using the word ‘unique’ instead of ‘only begotten’ is a denial of His birth in heaven. Jesus was born of Mary on this earth, but He was not God’s Son by the Holy Spirit -- He never called the Spirit His Father. Jesus was God’s true Son from heaven; God the Father is truly a Father, but not from the Incarnation. When we see Jesus as a human being, we are seeing the divine Son of God clothed in humanity. At times His divinity flashed through His humanity “A complete offering has been made; for ‘God so loved the world, that he gave His only-begotten Son’ - not a son by creation, as were the angels, nor a son by adoption, as is the forgiven sinner, but a Son begotten in the express image of the Father’s person, and in all the brightness of His majesty and glory, one equal with God in authority, dignity, and divine perfection. In Him dwelt all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.” “The Fatherhood of God is given to us in the gift of Jesus Christ; and as God was one with his only begotten Son, so he would have his earthly children one with him..” “O that everyone would realize the great love, the self-sacrifice, the benevolence, and the kindness of our heavenly Father, in giving his Son to die for us that we might, if we believe and do his commandments, have a sweet peace, the Father's joy, the Father's love, and unite with him, heart, soul, mind, and strength, to maintain righteousness and to draw in even lines with Christ. It is not the sacrifice of Christ only; it is the Father's sacrifice also. The Father, in union and loving sympathy, with His Son, subjected Himself to suffer with His Son. He spared not His only begotten Son but freely delivered Him up for us all. This gift of Christ is the crowning truth of God's love, and this Fatherhood, through all time and through eternity. Here is the love of God in His Fatherhood. Let us drink in this love, that we may know by experience what a real, tender, joyful, experience there is in a realization of the Fatherhood of God.”

[@sylviajimenez3984]

There is nothing wrong with the music…it’s just the enemy at work…

[@mick9919]

Do you see the clear, simple truth of this? The Father SENT HIS OWN SON to this world. So what does that mean? It means that Jesus IS the very literal Son of God the Father. If babes were told that God sent HIS SON to die for them, what would the babes believe? That God sent HIS SON to die for them! This is why God's truth is revealed unto babes and NOT to the 'learned men', because babes take God's Word as it is, without mixing it with philosophy and confusing ideas of man! What do the 'learned men' say today regarding Christ? "Oh the Bible doesn't REALLY mean what it says, it is just symbolic." And so they turn God's Word into some mystic, hard to understand knowledge. Would babes do that? NO! They would take it as it reads and accept it! So what about the Holy Spirit? Luke 12:11-12 ...'And when they bring you unto the synagogues, and unto magistrates, and powers, take ye no thought how or what thing ye shall answer, or what ye shall say: For the Holy Ghost shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say.' Matthew 10:19-20 ...'But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.' When we put these two verses together, we can clearly see that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father. So it's the Father's Spirit which comes to us, and reading Isaiah 40:13 and Romans 11:34, we can see that the Spirit is the 'mind' of God. That is even what the original meaning of the word 'Spirit' points to. It is the 'breath, mind, life' of God that comes to us. But does it come direct from the Father to us? No, look: Acts 2:32-33 ...'This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.' Peter, speaking to the crowd on the day of Pentecost, explains what has just happened, and what does he say? That Jesus had received the Holy Spirit FROM the Father, and Jesus HIMSELF gives that Spirit - that life and power of the Father - to the disciples. Do you see? John 20:19-22 ...'Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you ... And when he had said this, HE BREATHED ON THEM, and saith unto them, RECEIVE YE THE HOLY SPIRIT.' Titus 3:4-6 ...'But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour.' Do you see? The Holy Spirit, which is the life, mind and power of God the Father comes to us through His beloved Son Jesus Christ. It is that 'one Spirit' which they both share, which is why Jesus said in John 14:23 that both He and the Father would dwell in us. This is the TRUTH that is revealed unto babes. It is clear, plain truth that anyone who is humble and open can understand. The only 'mystery' is what nature the Spirit of the Father is. This has not been revealed to us. But what HAS been revealed to us plainly is that God the Father is that 'one God', the 'only true God.' Which is why Paul in 1 Timothy 2:5 said that 'there is one God AND one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.' If Jesus is the mediator BETWEEN God and man, then that means the 'one God' can only be God the Father. Jesus Christ is the Son OF God the Father. He is the literal, begotten Son, begotten in eternity past, which is how the Father was able to 'SEND HIS OWN SON' to us (Romans 8:3). And the Holy Spirit is the Father's own divine Spirit, His 'mind, life and power', which He sends to us through His Son Jesus. This is how the Holy Spirit can also be called 'the Spirit of Jesus Christ' (Philippians 1:19, Galatians 4:6, 2 Corinthians 3:17). Thus there are TWO divine BEINGS on the throne of heaven. Not 1 or 3, but TWO - God the Father and His only begotten Son Jesus Christ. This again is clearly revealed in the Bible many times, including John 17:3, 1 Corinthians 8:6, 1 Timothy 2:5, Revelation 5:13, Revelation 21:22 and Revelation 22:1. This is plain truth that has been revealed unto babes. But the 'learned men' of the churches and the world do not want simple, plain truth. They want complicated mysteries that they can captivate the people with. This is why a 'philosophical idol has been enthroned in place of Jehovah - the true God.' An idol that the majority of churches today worship! Such is the way of Satan, clouding the plain texts of God's Word with philosophical interpretations. And only 'few' who rely upon God's plain teaching, just like babies who rely upon their parents, worship the one true God as revealed in His Word. The question is, are you following and worshipping a philosophical idol of man, or are you following and worshipping the one true God as plainly revealed in His Word? No philosophical idol can save you! Many do not realise that the trinity god destroys the gospel message, as it destroys the Sonship of Jesus Christ and makes the Father and Son out to be LIARS. Please seek the truth and like a 'babe' let the Father teach you His plain, clear truth.

[@mick9919]

"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:" Matthew 28:19. Why did Jesus instruct us to baptize in "the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" if the trinity is wrong? Doesn't this verse prove that there are three persons in the Godhead? Trinitarians often claim Matthew 28:19 supports their belief in a Trinity. But this verse in no way affirms the Trinity doctrine, which states that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three co-equal, co- eternal beings that make up one God. Nobody denies that there is a Father, Son and the Holy Spirit. This verse refers to three entities but never says they are one and says nothing about their personality. It does not say they are three beings, It does not say they are three in one or one in three, It does not even have the word "God" in the verse, It does not say these three are the Godhead It does not say these three are a Trinity, It does not say these three are co-equal or co-eternal beings, It does not say anything about the nature of God, It does not tell us who the Holy Spirit is, It does not tell us there are three names, It does not say that these three are all God, and Jesus was not addressing the identity of God in the verse.

[@quintessentialbrick8452]

Yes, that's one verse, and it's not good to base doctrine on only one verse. The idea of God being three persons that are all divine is a lesson taught throughout the Bible. Very briefly: Plurality of God is taught from Genesis - 26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; Nobody really questions the divinity of God the Father. He is understood to be God 100%. People generally do not think that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are also God. Here's some proof that they are: Jesus is God: John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, ... Jesus (Word became flesh) is identified as being both God and the creator identified as 'He' in Genesis. Hebrews 1: 8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. 10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: 11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; 12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail. Here God the Father is speaking to Jesus. Jesus is identified as being God, the creator, and as being eternal. The Holy Spirit is God: Acts 3: 3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? 4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. The Holy Spirit is equated to God.

[@mick9919]

@@quintessentialbrick8452 You are right in the sense not much of a place to communicate although i know all those weak and subjective verses you have not used correctly. So i will answer in a few replies. Do not think i'm spamming you. And to be clear Matt 28:19 is verse trinitarians try to use to explain divinity. Therefore using a verse to build a false doctrine. If you re read my comment you will see how wrongly the verse is mis applied and the true meaning is lost. But this BELOW is also what EG White and the founders of SD Adventism BELIEVED and Taught. Not what you state you believe. Can i show you that you believe contrary to The Word and SOP before 1915? Genesis 1:26; 11:7): “And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.” Genesis 1:26. This text (as well as Genesis 11:7) proves that God is a plurality of three persons because ‘us’ is referring to all three. Answer: It is true the ‘us’ means that there was more than one person involved in creation, but not necessarily three. It could simply be two rather than three. The Scripture says, “God…created all things by Jesus Christ” Ephesians3:9. It should be obvious that ‘God’ in this verse is someone other than Jesus Christ. And according to Hebrews 1:2, God the Father created all things by his Son. “Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?” Proverbs 30:4 This verse attributes the work of creation to two beings (A father and a son). Proverbs 8:22-30 also attributes the work of creation to two beings. God the Father is the great Source of all and He created all things by His Son Jesus Christ. Now we can know for a certainty who is speaking in Genesis 1:26. God the Father said to his Son, “let us make man in our image.” Remember, Christ is “the express image” of the Father (Hebrews 1:3), so anyone created in the Father’s image is naturally created in his Son’s image. As such, when God created man in His image He created two beings (Genesis 1:27; 5:2), not three. That is a conclusive proof that the ‘us’ in Genesis 1:26 refers to only two individuals (the Father and Son), not three. This understanding helps us with other similar verses (such as Genesis 11:7). The ‘us’ would have the same meaning as Genesis 1:26. Spirit of Prophecy: There is an interesting comment from the Christian author E. G. White on this verse: “After the earth was created, and the beasts upon it, the Father and Son carried out their purpose, which was designed before the fall of Satan, to make man in their own image. They had wrought together in the creation of the earth and every living thing upon it. And now God says to his Son, "Let us make man in our image."” {1SP 24, 25}

[@mick9919]

@@quintessentialbrick8452 (John 1:1): One of the clearest texts proving a trinity is John 1:1 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” How do you explain this? Answer: This text is much misunderstood and has been misused to support a teaching that totally opposes what the text actually says. Let us examine the text briefly in the original Greek: en 1722 In hn 2258 arch 746 beginning prov 4314 was with logov 3056 Word hn 2258 was ton 3588 the o 3588 the logov 3056 Word yeon 2316 kai 2532 God and kai 2532 o 3588 logov 3056 and the Word yeov 2316 hn 2258 o 3588 God was t he A very casual look at the original text tells us that the two words translated as “God” in that text are not identical. The first one is a noun (Yeon) referring to the Father, and the other is an adjective (Yeov) which refers to Jesus. You can tell the difference between the two by looking at the last letter of the two words. It is for this reason that many translations render the verse in a way that recognizes this fact. For example, translations by James Moffatt, Hugh J. Schonfield and Edgar Goodspeed render it: "...and the Word was divine." Other variations also exist. Today's English Version reads: "...and he was the same as God." The Revised English Bible reads: "...and what God was, the Word was.“ As you can see, different translations give it a meaning in harmony with the original. Thus this text is telling us is that the Word, Christ, is divine just like the Father possessing the ‘God-nature’). It does not tell us that Christ is God the Father, one and the same person. However, the question that we need to address is “what beginning is this text talking about?” Was this the beginning of earth? Was it the beginning of creation? The answer is No. The reason being that creation is not mentioned in the verse at all. That comes in v.3 “All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made” Thus, if all things were made by him (Christ the Word) then the beginning in v.1 must be before creation. Our parallel text is found in Proverbs 8: 22-30. This passage is divided in 2 parts. The first part talks about the birth of Christ in heaven before anything was created. While the second part tells us who was with God during the creation: “The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.” 22-26 Christ was possessed/set up/brought forth in the beginning of God’s ways. Colossians 1: 15 puts it this way “Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:” This beginning was “before his works of old”, before “the earth was”, “when there was no depths”, “when there were no fountains”, “before the mountains were settled, before the hills”, “While as yet he had not made the earth…etc” Christ is saying that He was brought forth in the beginning before these creative acts. The second part of the passage in Proverbs 8 says: “When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth: When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep: When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth: Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;” v.27-30 This section tells us that Christ, the Word, was with God during the creation. The RSV renders v.30 this way “then I was beside him, like a master workman; and I was daily his delight, rejoicing before him always,” which brings out the point that Jesus was a workman in the creation of the world, or as John 1:3 puts it “All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made” Colossians 1: 16, 17 says the same thing “For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist” Here are the three references side by side: John 1: 1 - 3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 1 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 3 Colossians 1: 15-17 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. Proverbs 8: 22-30 “The LORD possessed me … I was set up from everlasting, … I was brought forth; ….” 22-26 “When he prepared the heavens, I was there: … when he appointed the foundations of the earth: then I was beside him, like a master workman; and I was daily his delight, rejoicing before him always;” 27-30 Thus, John 1: 1-3 not only does not support the trinity, but properly understood, teaches and supports the divine sonship of Christ. Spirit of Prophecy: In addition to that, here is what E. G. White had to say: “Christ shows them that, although they might reckon His life to be less than fifty years, yet His divine life could not be reckoned by human computation. The existence of Christ before His incarnation is not measured by figures.” {Signs of the Times, May 3, 1899} “Angels of God looked with amazement upon Christ, who took upon Himself the form of man and humbly united His divinity with humanity in order that He might minister to fallen man. It is a marvel among the heavenly angels. God has told us that He did do it, and we are to accept the Word of God just as it reads. And although we may try to reason in regard to our Creator, how long He has had existence, where evil first entered into our world, and all these things, we may reason about them until we fall down faint and exhausted with the research when there is yet an infinity beyond.” {7BC 919.5} “The Lord Jesus Christ, the divine Son of God, existed from eternity, a distinct person, yet one with the Father. He was the surpassing glory of heaven. He was the Commander of the heavenly intelligences, and the adoring homage of the angels was received by Him as His right. This was no robbery of God. "The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way," He declares, "before his works of old. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth; while as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth."” {RH, April 5, 1906 par. 7} “The Sovereign of the universe was not alone in His work of beneficence. He had an associate--a co worker who could appreciate His purposes, and could share His joy in giving happiness to created beings. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God." John 1:1, 2. Christ, the Word, the only begotten of God, was one with the eternal Father--one in nature, in character, in purpose--the only being that could enter into all the counsels and purposes of God.” {PP 34.1} Here are two statements from E. J. Waggoner and Uriah Smith that confirm to us what we have seen: “The word was ‘in the beginning.’ The mind of man cannot grasp the ages that are spanned in this phrase. It is not given to men to know when or how the Son was begotten” E. J. Waggoner, Christ and His Righteousness, p.9 “God alone is without beginning, at the earliest epoch when a beginning could be, a period so remote that to finite minds it is essentially eternity, appeared the Word ‘In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.’ John 1:1” Uriah Smith, Looking Unto Jesus 1898, p. 10

[@mick9919]

@@quintessentialbrick8452 Ph'p:2:6: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: Ph'p:2:7: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: Ph'p:2:8: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Ph'p:2:9: Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: Ph'p:2:10: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; Ph'p:2:11: And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Jesus is The Son also He has His Father's divine nature. So Jesus is fully God but not the Father. Joh:17:3: And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. Joh:17:4: I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. Joh:17:5: And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. 1Jo:1:1: That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; 1Jo:1:2: (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;) 1Jo:1:3: That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. Don't ignore the many verses i have provided in showing there are 2 DIVINE Persons we worship. And The HS they own and share see: Joh:14:18: I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. Joh:14:26: But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. Joh:14:28: Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. Joh:14:23: Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. Joh:14:24: He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me. Eph:2:18: For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Eph:4:4: There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; Eph:4:5: One Lord, one faith, one baptism, Eph:4:6: One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. 1Co:8:4: As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. 1Co:8:5: For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) 1Co:8:6: But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. You see God and His Son mentioned as abiding in us and Jesus is The Comforter and our Advocate. The paraclete. Also 1 God AND 1 Son AND 1 HS. We fellowship with God and His only begotten literal Son. Not the metaphorical son Pastor teaches incorrectly. We do not communion with The Holy Spirit. WE COMMUNICATE and have communion & fellowship through The Holy Spirit.......NOT WITH THE HS. Joh:20:17: Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

[@mick9919]

@@quintessentialbrick8452 i think your quote is from Acts 5. No you only repeat a lie you got told and never really studied it. God is not The Holy Spirit. Your verses are subjective to a trinitarian teaching that came from Rome AKA Babylon the Harlot. (Acts 5:3, 4; Ephesians 4:30): “But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? ….. thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.” Acts 5: 3, 4. In this passage we are plainly told that the Holy Spirit is God. How do you explain this obvious Trinitarian passage? The Bible warns us not to grieve the Holy Spirit. “And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. Ephesians 4:30. Isn’t this further proof that the Holy Spirit is an individual being who can be grieved? Answer: These are good and popular questions. We will deal with them together as they are closely related. There is an important principle that will help us understand these verses. The question that we need to ask ourselves is ‘When the Holy Spirit is grieved, who exactly is grieved? Is it God and Christ or is it someone else called ‘God the Holy Spirit’?’ “And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.” Genesis 6:3, 6. This is a very plain text. We must always remember that the Spirit belongs to God; it is the Spirit of God for it proceeds from Him (John 15:26). When we grieve the Spirit of God we are actually grieving God Himself. In Acts 5 we are plainly told that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Lord. “But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.” Acts 5:3, 4, 9. In the story of Ananias and Sapphira the same truth is again demonstrated, that when we lie to the Spirit of the Lord we are really lying to and grieving the Lord Himself, for the Lord is that spirit. Notice: “Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.” 2 Corinthians 3:17 This text clearly tells us who that Spirit is. Therefore, what Peter said to Ananias was really this: ‘by lying to God’s spirit you have not lied to men, but to God Himself!’ Peter was not informing Ananias that he had lied to a “God the Holy Spirit”. Rather, Ananias had lied to God the Lord) Himself, not someone else! When we grieve the Spirit we grieve God Himself in His heart, not someone else. The prophet Isaiah records for us an account that confirms this truth further: Isaiah 63:9-11 “In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old. But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them. Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him?” Spirit of Prophecy: “How can you, oh, how can you grieve your Redeemer? How can you dishonor Him before His angels and before men? How can you grieve the Holy Spirit of God? How can you crucify the Lord of glory afresh, and put Him to open shame? How can you give occasion for Satan and his angels to exult and triumph over those who claim to be loyal subjects of Jesus Christ?” {TM 431.1} Grieving the redeemer = grieving the Holy Spirit of God. This refers to Christ Jesus for the Spirit is His life. “The impartation of the Spirit is the impartation of the life of Christ.” {DA 805.3} “Christ declared that after his ascension, he would send to his church, as his crowning gift, the Comforter, who was to take his place. This Comforter is the Holy Spirit,--the soul of his life, the efficacy of his church, the light and life of the world. With his Spirit Christ sends a reconciling influence and a power that takes away sin.” {EGW, RH, May 19, 1904 par. 1} This means that the Holy Spirit is the life and glory of Christ, not another individual being: “Jesus is seeking to impress upon them the thought that in giving His Holy Spirit He is giving to them the glory which the Father hath given Him, that He and His people may be one in God.” {EGW, 2MR 36, 37} Thus the Holy Spirit is the life, the soul, the glory and presence Jesus Christ. This is what Ellen White means when she speaks of the Spirit of God. It is the invisible personal presence of God and Christ. The Spirit of God and Christ is their own person, not another person. Notice “God is a person and Christ is a person.” {1SAT 343}. Therefore, the Holy Spirit is the person of God and Christ. It is the omnipresence of them; notice “He [Christ] would represent Himself as present in all places by His Holy Spirit, as the Omnipresent.” {14MR 23} Thus, “This refers to the omnipresence of the Spirit of Christ, called the Comforter.” {14MR 179}, and so “By the Spirit the Father and the Son will come and make their abode with you.” {BEcho, January 15, 1893 par. 8}. “Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.” “Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.” John 14:23; Revelation 3:20 It is through the Spirit that we have a bond with the Father and Son “The sinner then stands before God as a just person; he is taken into favor with Heaven, and through the Spirit has fellowship with the Father and the Son.” {3SM 191} “John, in the assurance of a living experience, said: "That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ." Christ, through his Spirit, is working to draw men to himself; and we, the human agents, are to co-operate with Christ; it is his power that gives efficiency to our labors.” {RH, January 6, 1891 par. 10}

[@nongwadbniah2262]

He is not telling the truth or had done deep research.

[@chrisdelong2932]

Doug Batchelor is a trinitarian. He openly admits it in his sermons. Trinity is from Rome. The entire mass and eucharist are based upon the holy trinity. Trinity, THE BLESSED.-This article is divided as follows: I. Dogma of the Trinity; II. Proof of the Doctrine from Scripture; III. Proof of the Doctrine from Tradition; IV. The Trinity as a Mystery; V. The Doctrine as Interpreted in Greek Theology; VI. The Doctrine as Interpreted in Latin Theology.

[@sfponies1165]

That's a load of codswallop 😂 his understanding is not the same as the Catholic understanding!!!! There's godly folk in all denominations and we are all sinners. God bless ❤

[@chrisdelong2932]

@@sfponies1165 wrong 3 coequal, coeternal gods. “My father who is greater than I.” fundamental belief number 2. Fact. Jesus is the Son of God. When he asks Peter, he says we say you ARE the Son of the living God. Jesus says, Peter has spoken truthfully. Either Jesus is a liar, or Doug Batchelor is wrong. You decide.

[@chrisdelong2932]

@@sfponies1165 Fundamental belief number 2. The Trinity There is one God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, a unity of three coeternal Persons. God is immortal, all-powerful, all-knowing, above all, and ever present. He is infinite and beyond human comprehension, yet known through His self-revelation. God, who is love, is forever worthy of worship, adoration, and service by the whole creation.

[@Joanne_uk]

@@chrisdelong2932you have an extremely twisted view of scripture. Please, please pray to the Holy Spirit before reading the Bible (if you do read it) and He will guide you to truth. We will pray for you 🙏🏼

[@chrisdelong2932]

@@Joanne_uk To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.” Isaiah 8:20. The people of God are directed to the Scriptures as their safeguard against the influence of false teachers and the delusive power of spirits of darkness. Satan employs every possible device to prevent men from obtaining a knowledge of the Bible; for its plain utterances reveal his deceptions. - “But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.” 1 Corinthians 8:6 KJV. Amen! There is ONE God, the Father. Fact! Plain utterance of the Bible. Amen!

[@chrisdelong2932]

i have no idea. i do know he worships the roman catholic trinity doctrine. He therefore supports the antichrist power identified in daniel & revelation. The mass & eucharist are based upon the holy trinity according to the Roman Catholic catechism. - - - The mystery of the Holy Trinity is the most fundamental of our faith. On it everything else depends and from it everything else derives. Hence the Churchs constant concern to safeguard the revealed truth that God is One in nature and Three in Persons. Catholic Doctrine on the Holy Trinity FATHER JOHN A. HARDON, S.J

[@Joanne_uk]

God can see what is in our hearts. Maybe you should search yours to see what spirit your lies and attempt to smear Pastor Batchelors character are coming from…

[@chrisdelong2932]

@@Joanne_uk The greatest want of the world is the want of men-men who will not be bought or sold, men who in their inmost souls are true and honest, men who do not fear to call sin by its right name, men whose conscience is as true to duty as the needle to the pole, men who will stand for the right though the heavens fall. {Ed 57.3} But such a character is not the result of accident; it is not due to special favors or endowments of Providence. A noble character is the result of self-discipline, of the subjection of the lower to the higher nature-the surrender of self for the service of love to God and man. {Ed 57.4} Amen! Special note: Attacking me, the messenger, will not change the facts. Apostasy is apostasy is apostasy. Amen! And Amen!

[@jeanelizabethterry7583]

I did not find it so. Far from hypnotic

[@jeanelizabethterry7583]

​@@chrisdelong2932I feel sorry for you. You don't understand

[@neemarfavor8108]

I think the word trinity confuses some people but even in the Bible it's there baptise in the name of the father, Son,Holy spirit (three in one yet inseparable ) so if someone else is using the same word"trinity" in a wrong way you should you stop using it ? There are so many gods but all are pronounced the same as God so should we stop saying God just some are using it wrongly?....... Remember it's in the Bible the problem comes when there's a misinterpretation of its actual meaning , knowing the difference between them is crucial. Be blessed 😊 May we be guided.

[@chrisdelong2932]

Doug Batchelor is a trinitarian. Agent of Rome. Preaching & teaching false pagan doctrine.

[@pepsisformosa242]

Do you agree with everything that Martin Luther wrote and said? Are you grateful he risked his life and defended the light he was given!? Maybe you're living in a protestant country now thanks to that? Well many people are! Stop looking for straws in other people's eyes... He's doing great work, being the director one of the biggest evangelistic broadcasting network IN THE WORLD!

[@fostermumbakaluba6328]

May God open your eyes through the Holy Spirit that you may understand the truth about trinity.

[@davidbeckhambecks]

Doug Batchelor is a man of God, you no the other hand are a Iiar

[@chrisdelong2932]

@@davidbeckhambecks no, i quoted the Bible & Jesus. If you & Doug Batchelor are correct, that would make the Bible & Jesus a liar. NOT hardly. Happy Sabbath!

[@pepsisformosa242]

@@chrisdelong2932 You can twist the Word as much as you want, but it doesn't change a thing about AF James 2:18 and 20 18. Yes, a man may say, You have faith, and I have works: show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. 20. But will you know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? We can see the works and fruits of Pr. Batchelor!