The Horrific Discovery at the Back of the Shed

Danielle Marzejka and Seren Bryan disappeared from their home shortly after finishing work. For days they couldn't be found, until flies were noticed near the shed in the yard. The person who had done this? Close as can be, but also far away at this point.
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[@cgl1622]

11:50 “was it done to themselves? Murder suicide?” Not to make light but packaging themselves in bags and boxes afterwards would be quite a feat. Almost as impressive as the MI5 guy who detectives determined had killed self, zipped himself in a duffel bag, padlocked the zipper from the outside, left no fingerprints or dna…

[@arock7462]

LEOs not generally bright.

[@mannymayhem3302]

You have a really rare gift of being able to pull off humour and sarcasm when telling such tragic stories without coming off as distasteful or insensitive. Really impressive 👏

[@Terry-lh8cn]

That is a tightrope that most couldn't walk!

[@Limmy985]

Another reason why i love Mike. Literally who can hate him?

[@alhana8293]

Very true! That's one of the things I really appreciate about him although many find it offensive!

[@GordonHakkar]

It's Mike's gift

[@Ghost360MAFIA]

It’s the reason he is the only true crime channel I can watch!

[@jessicadamer5673]

Danielle was one of my best friends in elementary school. Although we weren’t as close as we got older, she was still always the sweet, shining girl that I knew and loved from when I was young. Hearing about this case just after we graduated high school broke my heart, and it still continues to today. Just want to put out there with love, their last name is pronounced (Mar-Zay-Cuh). I hope that Danielle and Seren are resting peacefully.

[@otybbyblue4143]

💔bless you princess 😢

[@Marcia.Marcia.Marcia]

Very sorry❤

[@ajad8793]

So sorry 😢

[@whiplash6992]

You realize that's a troll right

[@scotsman6712]

@@whiplash6992 I think you're a troll.go back to your bridge,lad.

[@rmark1083]

It's not about whether or not someone is in the right state of mind, it's whether or not they know right from wrong. Considering the fact that he hid the bodies and ran away is proof that he knew right from wrong.

[@bazj5392]

Spot on!

[@BariumCobaltNitrog3n]

So he knew right from wrong, so what?

[@nineteenfortyeight6762]

@@BariumCobaltNitrog3n then he is responsible to do right

[@miriamllamas224]

I find it quite surprising that the jury only took one hour to deliberate.

[@BariumCobaltNitrog3n]

@@nineteenfortyeight6762 Right and wrong can easily be seen as get caught or get away. A father who kills his child's rapist will still try to not get caught, and not apologize. Don't get me wrong, loony tunes is in the right place but I think it is productive to find the core _reason_ not the excuse.

[@Teelirious]

The "life without parole" combined with "credit for time served" always kills me.

[@Adoubless]

Right, I love that’s it’s kinda petty 😂

[@scotsman6712]

Legal sarcasm,I guess.

[@ColonelSandersLite]

@@scotsman6712 Nah, it's not. It's possible for a conviction to be overturned on appeal and have a lesser charge stick at retrial and some other situations like that. In this edge case, it's important to recognize that he has already been serving time for his conviction. It probably won't ever be important in this particular case, but courtrooms are *supposed* to be all about these kinds of details.

[@weeksworks2521]

@@ColonelSandersLite Very insightful comment! Thank you.

[@jordanalandry1866]

@@ColonelSandersLite that is correct and it seems like pretty much common sense to anyone with two brain cells to rub together but I don’t know people are dumb. I guess they don’t understand the legal system for shit.

[@myrtlecrane2548]

I am one living with schizophrenia. Just a friendly reminder, we aren’t all like that and statistically more prone to suffer violence than cause it. I love your videos and podcasts!

[@lissi6931]

Right? And if it was an “episode” he experienced he would definitely be remorseful and cooperative. The running away and disguise much less the way he behaved the rest of the time… seems to me there’s more to his personality or hidden evils.

[@belladonnahigh9206]

@@lissi6931 There's a channel "This is monsters" where the guy even sends letters to some of the criminals to get their perspective. I was wondering the same about Robert, could someone send a letter to him and ask for his reasons? Because I cannot comprehend why he did what he did. Usually I can figure out why, even when they don't say, but this one is a mystery, or there must have been some kind of altercation before he killed them.

[@ryz2203]

An unexpected, but important, message. Thank you for speaking your truth.

[@emilinebelle7811]

I don’t believe that for a second.

[@charro028]

I’m always advocating this! Ppl want to try to pass off their wrong doings as mental illness which is dangerous for ppl who are actually suffering from a mental illness. It’s stigmatizes mental illness even further.

[@BoingBB]

My heart goes out to that poor father and the survivng brother! Loses his wife and raises three kids on his own for seven years, then loses two of them - one murdering the other. A tragedy.

[@cindasucks]

Her father was actually in on it, he helped her brother cover it up. He is disgusting. Source: I'm the Khriscinda from the video.

[@vanessaburridge2779]

@@cindasucks why was the father in on it do you know? Did he dislike his daughter and her boyfriend or something just wondering 💭

[@GrandTime-17]

I'm just wondering what a kriscinda from the video is....

[@vanessaburridge2779]

@@GrandTime-17 yeah I wonder that too. And the rest of khriscinda Granaas comment

[@cindasucks]

​@J. Smith i am the friend shown in the video who found them.

[@acayette]

I know you are busy Mike, but thank you for bringing back the old schedule and deciding to post a bit more often.

[@acayette]

@@myunknownland9272 who cares, sounds like "you" problem.

[@Tumbleweed_cap]

I went to highschool with Seren. His death destroyed one of my friends. It was a tragedy hearing about his death & seeing someone you know covered on this channel is even more surreal. I’m so sorry Seren 😔

[@mistrjt9213]

Did they ever determine why he did what he did?

[@Pasdpawn]

Rip

[@elisaseverns2543]

😔 I’m so sorry

[@debbieharris1628]

So sorry for your loss. He sounds like he was a kind, extraordinary man and one who will never be forgotten ❤

[@fuzzypanda4921]

Wait did you live in canton-Plymouth Michigan?

[@zigginzag584]

The bodycam footage of the cops confirming the bodies. Whoa, I felt that

[@maramarxx2431]

Yes! The family looked like cops too I wouldnt look in my shed if my Sister went missing. Come on!

[@bruderlein8514]

"We're confirming. Get everyone out here." Shivers, man. Just... I can't even imagine having to call that in.

[@crystalkappel7032]

Another tragic tale told by the man with the gift of storytelling!

[@ThatChapter]

Thank you!

[@deem8123]

Mike... I'm so glad you're back to your Tuesday and Friday schedule. I wanted you to succeed no matter what you did because I so thoroughly enjoy your versions of these atrocious stories but you had become a part of my life on Tuesdays and Fridays. After a long day at work I looked forward to coming home cracking open a beer and seeing your videos and now I can do it again so thank you thank you❤

[@Brenda-qe2ug]

Me too. Tuesdays and Fridays were Mike days and if had had a bad day, he would make it better. So hooray, I am happy.

[@Sherrilynn27]

Same❤

[@lauramills_af]

😅😊😊

[@lisacanavan5665]

@McGale Winn, 👌😂 I'm sitting home here watching Mike while toking on a fat one😂❤🇮🇪

[@JustKelso1993]

​@@lisacanavan5665 I am sitting here sober, enjoying it.

[@tngribz]

Thank you for covering this case. I worked with Seran's dad at a tea shop and met him a few times when he was younger. This affected his father deeply. I was just thinking about this all the other day. Such a senseless crime.

[@mishaa7263]

he seemed like such a nice person, both of them, this is bothering me more than other cases for some reason

[@jennajune2101]

I lived across Groesbeck at the time of this crime.

[@greendragon4058]

I can't even imagine so horrifying and senseless

[@sandrafaith]

I can't even imagine how hard it must be for him.

[@Kim-ev8pr]

I lived near A2 at the time and I don’t recall this at all. How sad for every family member and her father lost two children that day. Who would’ve have been affected by this terrible tragedy. People really need to make sure family members get the mental help they need. I know it’s hard to make a grown person take their meds. Going through this same ordeal right now and praying 🙏🏼 it doesn’t have a turnout anything like this 😢

[@bunnymad5049]

Beyond heartbreaking. To lose your wife, bring up three kids, go through supporting one with severe mental health issues, to think the kids were just gaining their wings and to lose a child via another child. I hope the father and brother are doing ok. How on earth one would recover from such massive trauma is hard to imagine. Blessings on them.

[@luciaconn6788]

A young couple under the same roof as a 'mentally ill youth who's probably never had a love experience can lead to intense jealousy, homicidal rage, and in this case, planned attack. My brother is mentally ill w/ hypersensitive hearing, incarcerated for a planned attack.

[@FLOSSYTREADWELL]

@@luciaconn6788 My brother, sister & I have hypersensitive hearing, I live alone & have since my son grew up but my brother has a partner. He can hear her eating & every crunch drives him insane. My sister has to stop herself making mean comments to her husband so he can enjoy food, the guilt is enormous. I have overheard sly comments about me & sometimes from professionals like GP receptionists. I always hear whispering over a covered phone & it's all lead to me embarrassing many people telling them what I heard. I feel for your brother & wish he could be helped because I know the problems that can cause. I also know that some drugs can emphasise the hearing & sense of others feelings about us. I really believe if any of us smoked cannabis we would have become psychotic. I hope you & your family find a solution & happiness.

[@bjbrown]

I listen to the podcast and you have great content but there isn't anything like seeing you telling the story. I hope all is well with you and I enjoy you being here. Thanks so much Mike! Greetings from Florida USA ❤️

[@GodsThirdEye]

Florida's people are kinda slow in the head but the state itself is beautiful. I'd love to live near a beach one day and the best part it hardly ever gets cold.

[@Kim-ev8pr]

@@GodsThirdEye Just their governor 🤪🤣😉

[@lovingmayberry307]

@@GodsThirdEye Don't believe it "doesn't get cold"!! I was born there. When the temperature dips it feels BONE CHILLING cold because of the humidity!

[@MrTaxiRob]

@@lovingmayberry307 cold air is actually drier. It feels colder because there is more moisture evaporating from your skin like when you swab it with isopropyl alcohol. Source: born in Cleveland, grew up watching Dick Goddard forecast the weather.

[@ladeelibra925]

Agree 💯!

[@LilyJ0000]

Being local to the area, I remember when this happened, it was all over the news. I felt worst of all for Danielle's Dad. He really lost all the way around 💔💔💔

[@stephendacey8761]

Why did he do it? Money, jealousy, anger, I guess we will never know. Story seems incomplete. But, Mike could tell a story about a cat up in a tree and everybody would be talking about how well researched, animated, humorous, he made it. Most LOVED KZbinr out there hands down.

[@Keigancarah]

i remember too, danielle was only a year younger than me, i had a few mutual friends with her. it was so awful.

[@jannetteberends8730]

@@stephendacey8761 it’s not unusual for schizophrenic people to become aggressive towards family. Actually in most cases the family is the target. There is no reason. It’s a symptom.

[@dortesandal4303]

Yes, that poor man. How to find Peace after something so horrendous. My heart and thoughts go out to him.

[@wrthrash]

Can you even imagine his horror, your son kills his sister & sudo "brother"

[@Xenoviel]

As a former resident of the Detroit area, coney island diners are the only thing I miss about it. Back when I lived there (in the late 00s), they were usually open 24-7, had breakfast-lunch-dinner menus, served breakfast always, and had classic midwestern diner fare plus a bunch of extra Greek items on the menu. They were great. I love them.

[@scotsman6712]

The video not sponsored by Coney island Diners.

[@Xenoviel]

@@scotsman6712 I'd like to have more of my meals sponsored by Coney Island Diners

[@comorabuchanan759]

From Detroit...I miss Coney Island 😢 sadly I live in another state now so I hardly get to eat it anymore

[@hen8950]

Ppl dying out here. Y'all turn into a yelp review.

[@trailertrish]

My ex-husband was from Detroit and every time we went there to visit his family we ate there because we love Coney dogs and they have the best ones.❤

[@grimcity]

I'm not a true crime aficionado (generally), but I've seen every episode of this show since it first started. Mike is simply fantastic at blending in everything from being pissed to being funny and wrapping it up in a simple, respectful package. That's hard to do, but this show does it every time.

[@gottogoalltheway]

Me too. I have seen every single one of Mike's videos. I never watch everything on any other channel.😊

[@anneperry9014]

​@@gottogoalltheway well you should. Some of them are good. What's wrong with ya!!

[@TeddyLovesAxl]

I agree 💯 ❤

[@shaggysstonedagain1218]

Hell yeah mane me too

[@Dead_Braincells_Society]

Absolutely. And the fact that he has less than 3m subs is criminal.

[@User_1976_Dodge]

I'm baffled at the senselessness of this case. May the Marzejka family and Saren's family find peace.

[@rebeccabejenaru]

I had to watch this twice just to really wrap my head around it. Dude looks so lost in court. .....so strange. What happened? Will he ever tell?

[@euriditia]

It's possible he was jealous of Danielle and Seren's relationship while he didn't have a love in his life. Combined with his untreated problems, it could have developed into insane jealousy a 'if I can't have a happy love filled life, then neither can you'

[@colliene]

He knew to clean the scene, left all his ID and phone Then wore a disguise He knew exactly what he was doing or did

[@KorrothDyahwanre]

This is something I lived through, having trained Saran, and worked with Danni and been friends with still to this day the friend that actually found them. The media coverage and reporting wasn't intirely accurate. Though based off what was reported you've done a fairly decent job reporting this tragedy. The friend in the footage deals with PTSD from this still. They are both very missed.

[@aggrogator4045]

Definitely aren't lying, no way no how 😂

[@shiannekurkina631]

Sorry for your loss 😢

[@rayagray6321]

Hahaha yeah whatever. I guarantee you dont even live in the area let alone know any of them

[@tuckersdadnb]

Sending condolences to you and everyone affected by this senseless tragedy. R.I.P to all victims ♡

[@laurenwest3090]

​@@aggrogator4045 they spelt Seran wrong.. 😂

[@audreymuzingo933]

Very well done Mike. THANK YOU ESPECIALLY FOR SUBTITLES IN THE POLICE INTERVIEWS. The various speaking styles and general audio quality of those tapes almost always makes parts of the dialogue totally indecipherable, so thanks so much for the leg work of spelling it out for this upload.

[@theoriginalbluey]

Can we just take a second to applause Mike for the real hard work he puts into these. There is so much research, so much splicing together of footage in all of his videos, and he is pretty much churning them out for us. I suspect he rarely takes a break. Thank you That Chapter. The truth sure is stranger than fiction, and that keeps me fascinated with this channel.

[@jimmycha9965]

💯

[@MsRotorwings]

And yet he can’t pronounce basic English word’s correctly.

[@mariellisdunning1808]

​@@MsRotorwings do you mean he has an Irish accent? He may not be pronouncing English words in the same was as *some* areas in England do. That doesn't mean he's 'incorrect.' England is not the centre of the universe.

[@raflim]

Right! It takes me 2 hours to edit my 15 second TikTok videos. Can’t imagine the DAYS he puts in on one video

[@raflim]

@@MsRotorwings language is a human construct. Go back to Mordor

[@impulsestudios9090]

People are so Gruesome. Crazy to think we live among them.

[@sentryogmixmaster]

i know right. imagine having the gall to screw somebody's sister in their own home where all the other siblings and relatives can hear them...nobody should have to hear that! well, they got what they had coming(no pun intended).

[@tylerjackson1806]

@@sentryogmixmaster what a disgusting comment.

[@ScaryPoppins]

​@sentryogmixmaster You're right about not having to hear that. No one wants to. No one should die for it though.

[@harmlesscreationsofthegree1248]

We don’t live amongst them, they live amongst us

[@thapoppyman]

​@@sentryogmixmaster don't be such a prude, sex is great but if you don't want to listen to me banging your hot sister go do something outside or listen to music cause that ain't stopping just cause your in the same casa comprende? Just don't rest your head on the wall.

[@roLLinKushy]

This happened about 5 minutes from my house. A buddy of mine lived in the same trailer park. Crazy to hear all of the details now because they were very quiet about this for a long time.

[@TeddyLovesAxl]

That’s wild asf!😮

[@Kim-ev8pr]

IKR I wasn’t that close but in A2 I should have heard about it.

[@brendarigotti843]

Is so surreal when you have lived near a notorious murder & U watch the case yrs later..?

[@tomfromoz]

@@brendarigotti843 If you find yourself saying that things in your day to day life are _surreal_ ... You might want to think about taking a break from the LSD! ROFLMAO *Tom's wife Pam*

[@Blodia1990]

I grew up around there and I'm shocked

[@SockDrawerDemon]

If anyone else was wondering, the grounds of his appeal was that counsel didn't have an expert witness discuss his mental illness and potential medication side effects, and that his mental illness meant he wasn't really capable of premeditation. The court of appeals disagreed quite firmly.

[@jennajune2101]

My brother in law lives in this trailer park. At the time of this crime, I lived across the street in a neighborhood. This completely rocked our community.

[@smalltowngirlbigcityheart3724]

I bet it did!! You could probably feel a heaviness in the air all around that area where they were eventually found. Short story: My husband and I had moved into this new house. There was a train track in our backyard. Our first night there, I heard the awfullest, ungodly sound in our backyard. It was the train coming to a screeching halt. A man had suicided by laying down on the tracks and the entire area where his remains were found had this heavy, eerie, haunting feeling all around it. You could feel the sadness almost, you could feel despair. By far, one of the Strangest things I’ve ever encountered still to this very day. So sorry that happened so close to home for you.

[@likemeordont5951]

As a longtime consumer of all things true crime, I must say I hadn’t heard of this case. That’s a rarity in this genre, good job Mike!

[@TheStar798]

Right?!? Love Mike's content 👍

[@Freckle_Face2247]

I have heard it but I still watched because Mike tells it best!

[@skreemqueen7520]

Wow. Such a shocking and heartbreaking case. How Robert couldn’t even muster up an ,” I’m sorry.” makes it even more sad. My sympathies to the victims family and friends. Great work Mike , I love you too.

[@BariumCobaltNitrog3n]

Why would he apologize?

[@doritos80]

​@@BariumCobaltNitrog3n what??😮

[@BariumCobaltNitrog3n]

@@doritos80 WHY WOULD HE APOLOGIZE?

[@rebeccabejenaru]

@@BariumCobaltNitrog3n you full trolling the boat. So lame 😒

[@BariumCobaltNitrog3n]

@@rebeccabejenaru You're not very smart are you? The judge made a point of him not apologizing, so in his mind, why should he not apologize?

[@tessaducek5601]

I was diagnosed bipolar. And before medicines and now. I know right from wrong. Its so tiring to hear all these people trying to plead insanity. He knew to hide the bodies and run plus the inept attempt at a disguise. He knows what he did. The why is probably the most confusing. Thoughts to the family. 🌹

[@Kim-ev8pr]

You think that’s why he couldn’t plead insanity 🤔🤨🤪

[@tessaducek5601]

@@Kim-ev8pr I think it blew a hole in his defense attorneys case. He was trying really hard to prove he was crazy. Afterthought proved otherwise. His motive is what is a major ? ??? I wonder how or if he explained this to his father... 🤷 And crazy? He should have been charged for that ridiculous disguise....🤡

[@kyreeseq]

​@@Kim-ev8pr she has a point, as to claim insanity, you have to have professionals agree you had a psychotic break - that is when you have diminished or even no control over your actions due to a mental health condition. Simply put: you can't tell right from wrong. In case they can prove premeditation or attempts at hiding/covering after your actions, you will have à very hard time claiming "insanity" in many legal systems.

[@nhmooytis7058]

Fake insanity pleas by dangerous criminals hurt people with real mental illness by making it synonymous with violent. It isn’t!

[@FeeAlfadhal]

I hope you’re doing alright! tho I believe it was the schizophrenia and paranoia that pushed him rather than the BPD, his family should’ve made sure to keep him on his meds

[@melissa8313]

Thank you as always for all of your hard work, extensive unbiased research, quick wit, respectful humor breaks and the community you’ve managed to build on such a large scale in such a short time. You’re a gem mike, appreciate you!❤

[@randomunicorn1578]

Couldn't have said it better myself! Awesome Mike you are my favorite KZbin. Never a bad video or podcast!

[@CantTellYou]

😂 How can anybody be unbiased when it’s a murder that we’re 99.9999% sure whodunnit? He talks about the murderers like scumbags, as he should

[@rockyevans1584]

Agree with this other than the part about bias, strong disagree there. Not because all people are inherently biased, that can't be helped, but because of the absolutely obvious heavy bias in every single episode I've watched of this fellas. I get you're excited, but let's not forget what words are

[@RosalieF1]

hardly unbiased! He's constantly throwing in his opinion - which is a good one :)

[@melissa8313]

I should say by unbiased I meant he’s sure to say alleged and not throw unsubstantiated opinions out, just ones based on factual evidence. He shares his opinion but it’s based on the case and adds to the narrative 😊

[@BariumCobaltNitrog3n]

If he was paranoid schizophrenic he may have thought his sister and her bf were plotting to kill him or were secretly mocking him and the relentless voices convinced him to kill them. He is the product of a society that chooses to ignore mental illness, stigmatize it, and pretend people choose to be this way. Any other body part gets fixed in a hospital, but the most important one, that defines us as human, will not get care, will not get fixed, but goes to JAIL to suffer.

[@Chili1179]

I like your twice a week content. Thank you.

[@ThatChapter]

Thank you! It’s good to be back

[@saraghhh]

Why does listening to Mike chat murder feel like such a positive start to the weekend? 😆 Have a great weekend everyone!

[@johnmoss1199]

Brilliant 😂😂

[@maureendefranco2963]

You too sara love n peace from Scotland

[@inmate1614]

Because you are not the one he is talking about lol!

[@michaelrivard4879]

Thank you you have a nice weekend as well.

[@ladeelibra925]

😊 U Too!

[@Liciablyth]

What a tragic story. Condolences to her family and the family of her boyfriend. So sad. Thank you Mike for your usual excellence.

[@Mr_Nobody913]

Killed his own sister. So sick. You’re supposed to protect her at all costs. (I have a younger sister) I feel the death penalty was warranted for this one for sure.

[@stewescapes9514]

Michigan doesn’t have the death penalty.

[@jupitercyclops6521]

Exactly. He was sick. Mental illness is not a joke. The US mental Healthcare system is a joke. A sick , sad joke. The way big pharma pays politicians to legislate for their profit should be illegal.

[@JC-zv3cv]

Well, yes, he, Robert was obviously sick, obviously mentally challenged, obviously had / has paranoid schizophrenia so obviously should be killed because that will bring the victims back - killing people doesnt stop people killing people. Killing someone with a known mental incompetency instead of having treated someone with a known mental incompetency also wont bring the victims back.

[@she_sings_delightful_things]

I wish torture was legal for crimes such as this.

[@astrazenica7783]

Absolutely. Who's to say some loony judge won't release him one day.

[@rhifunke6664]

Those poor kids. I hope you take a lot of mental health days, Mr. Mike. This stuff is harsh. 💔

[@tanyaball1220]

Mike, I don’t comment a lot, but cannot thank you ENOUGH for all you do!! I can’t imagine how exhausted you were and still are, by being a one-man host/production team/researcher and everything else! I’m a visual person, so I never listened to podcasts until you started one. I have to admit, I’m ecstatic that you’re going back to two videos and one podcast most weeks. Please take care of yourself first and foremost. As someone with severe anxiety, you give me more comfort than you can know. Safe travels and have fun!!💚💛💜

[@katilynshockey5689]

You can make disturbing events into an addiction lol. Seen EVERY single video you made. So glad with how far you have come through out the years. Keep it up Mike because we love ya ❤

[@retard_activated]

Good Evening, Mike and Fellow TCers! 💖💖💖

[@ThatChapter]

Good evening!

[@Unethical_Ethical_HackTips]

TCers? So lame bro lol

[@retard_activated]

@@ThatChapter Enjoyed the podcast earlier! Thanks for the double today, my friend! 💖 Have a lovely night!

[@Five_by_Five9340]

@@Unethical_Ethical_HackTips What’s a better name? Chappies?

[@lindapalmer870]

Wow, 5 mins in and already over 2000 views!!!

[@Bethany_Marie]

So glad we get a video twice a week now, maybe, sometimes lol❤❤❤ I love you and thank you 🥰🥰🥰

[@ThatChapter]

Thanks Bethany!

[@Bethany_Marie]

@@ThatChapter 💕THANK YOU!!! 💕 For All The Amazing Videos And The Hard Work That Goes Into MakingThem, I Appreciate You!!! 💕

[@lvlaster-Consciousness]

Hey Mike me and my girl just wanted to say thank you for stepping up and putting another video out this week... We've almost watched every single episode now and we just started watching you about 5 months ago... We gave it a GUUUU

[@phatwombat4241]

I'm constantly amazed how every one who gets murdered is "wonderful", Everybody loves them, beautiful soul. No one is ever just an ass hole, horrible person, etc!!!!!!!

[@suziecarr1566]

My so called uncle was killed in an accident that was his fault and he could have killed my very young cousin who was in the car and not in any type of restraint and was just a big ass. He beat my own aunt and drugged up the kid and I was not going to pretend that he was not a jerk. My mom is a drama queen and was freaking out about the fact that he didn't make it, more than her own sister was. I called her and anyone else who was only talking of him as a saint and reminded them that he is not going to be able to abuse people now and besides that fact, you all hated him. And it's been a long road but my aunt is definitely going down a better path for herself now

[@csh43166]

It scares me when people don't think anything of when their loved ones, friends or even acquaintances they see often just stop showing up and no one seems to know where they are. I hope I would be missed more than that, even after only a day or two. Another horrifying case that shows you never know where the real monsters lurk. RIP, Danielle and Seren. 🌹🌹

[@guyfromostrava]

What the majority of true crime channels don't understand is that people don't want a series of facts in a half-hour video. People either want stories or an expert analysis, ideally both. Sure, such videos are harder to make than just cutting up interrogation footage into an hour long video, but the difference is jarring... Keep it up, Mike!

[@St.Linguini_of_Pesto]

I'm just trying to imagine being a library patron, paying a late fee for an overdue return. Seeing two "maintenance employees" pull out sidearms, pointing at a guy casually sauntering in, and cuffing him.. that would convince me to _never_ return late, ever again. Heck, I'd probably become a speed reader & return my checked out materials a week early, just to be on the safe side.. "those librarians aren't effing around!"

[@dalerumball5379]

Well done Mike. We appreciate all your hard work you have been doing with your podcast and also your That Chapter channel.

[@lisahinton9682]

Jeez, I would really like to know what the heck happened that morning. Why would Robert do this? I do wonder if there was some sort of fight and when the sister and her boyfriend went to sleep, that is when Robert chose to seek some sort of sick revenge. Such a dang tragedy - they both seemed well-loved and like two nice people.

[@Emma88178]

Just a reminder to everyone that MOST people with bipolar or schizophrenia are good people who would never hurt anyone. But anyway, this whole thing made me sad. Danielle and Seren seemed like such good people.

[@combatduckie]

only as long as they take their meds permanently ....which unfortunately some of them stop doing and then commit such crimes...

[@Quizack]

@@combatduckie She’s right though. Statistically speaking, people with schizophrenia or bipolar are actually much more likely to be victimised than to victimise other people.

[@biaedwards4025]

@@combatduckie More people who are plain EVIL commit murder than people with mental illnesses.

[@moserfugger6363]

@@Quizack Yeah, and those statistics cover 100 percent of everything those people are doing, right? For example, the emotional abuse caused by bipolar partners in relationships or by bipolar parents towards their children. Bipolar people can be very dangerous. It's good to be cautious. Greetings from Germany

[@cbrreezzyy69]

@@Quizack bullshit. Bipolar people, even if not killing people, put people through hell with their mood swings when not taking their medicine. Stop making every single person out to be victims.

[@drstevenrey]

No, stop, right there. He cleaned up. That shows very clearly he knew what he did right there and then.

[@TheBanana93]

The part that gets me the most about messed up cases like this is the fact that there wasn't an obvious reason....

[@prettyvacant3605]

Schizophrenia is a horrible disease ,especially paranoid schizophrenia. It's hard to say what type delusions this man was suffering from. I wish healing to all those that loved Seran and Danielle How very tragic

[@realfingertrouble]

Delusions don't stay though, and in a delusion you don't hide what you've done. If you're out of your mind, you get caught cos you think you are doing the 'right' thing. Unless as it's been said, the father cleaned it up...but at some point he'd have come to his senses and realised what he'd done. Innocent men don't hide what they've done (thinking it's the 'sane' course of action, even if insane) and they certainly don't run.

[@prettyvacant3605]

@@realfingertrouble I know too well of delusions and it's not that black and white. He very well in his mind thinking its the "right thing" but still be aware of the consequence of the action ,believing we are too ignorant to see,too many times believing family and or government is "in on it" These imagined scenarios are very complex and twisted but very real to them and individual people will react according to personality ,environment ,and type of delusion. Schizophrenia definitely isn't a switch with on and off though Maybe you are thinking of DID? My schizophrenic had delusions that his wife was involved with a drug cartel and was arranging his kidnapping and murder. Not to get graphic,but in short he knew the consequences of what he had done and certainly attempted to conceal it. This was the last of many many delusions and he took his life in prison, He was a very loved but very sick man. Completely preventable though,but all that cut funding for the mentally sick, now they roll them right back to the public after 72 hour holds (if that even) Shame on the United States

[@lovelyscorp79]

​@@realfingertrouble exactly. It's my belief there was an incestuous relationship between them. Which ended before her relationship. All of them living space close together I'm sure he heard more than a few times the victims during private time and couldn't take it. He was the only brother not coupled and more than likely abusing drugs. And he snapped. Ps...this is just me trying to make sense of the senseless. But incest is more common than ppl think. And It's the first thing that came to mind when I saw her picture and heard she was the youngest. And they all still lived together in a trailer.

[@Officialmartymars]

@@lovelyscorp79 you’re more delusional than the killer lmao, pulled that shit straight from your arse, just leave the hypothesising to smart people in future

[@notthisyourlight]

​@@lovelyscorp79disgusting and disrespectful

[@DumbleDore69]

Mike did you really throw out the suggestion of Murder Suicide .... they were found in bags bro 💀🤣

[@joannahampton5979]

And he said it twice 😂

[@MrTaxiRob]

Listen to the context. People who knew the victims said they had dark senses of humor and would joke about things like that.

[@DumbleDore69]

​@@MrTaxiRob 11:50 reckon you need to listen before commenting 😉🤣

[@naomiledger1374]

Seems very odd to me that someone who allegedly knew what they were doing and had the presence of mind to commit such a crime, including cleaning up the crime scene afterwards well enough to not raise suspicion from the myriad people who would go in and look around that bedroom in the following days , would casually wander into a Wendy's still covered in blood and leave the bagged up bodies, blood stained bedding, and hammer used in the crime in a shed not 20 ft from the house!? Doesn't that seem particularly strange? I also thought it odd that only Danielle and Seren's friends seemed in the least bit concerned about their disappearance and not the family. I'm sure Robert is guilty of this awful senseless crime but I can't help thinking there's more to it.

[@Mephisto-ie2xg]

I agree. It does seem as though he had some kind of episode at the time and then when he went to the Wendy's but was fine after.

[@nancysimpson9045]

Yes there’s something very off with this family like how could you not smell two bodies in the shed on a hot summers day 💕🇦🇺💕

[@TRAMP-oline]

@@nancysimpson9045 they did. that's how they found it

[@laratheplanespotter]

Good evening all. Have a good weekend. Great to have this Friday one back, Mike. 🎉 Just don’t go exhausting yourself out! Now let’s have a goo!

[@catherinewilliams3850]

Oh that poor brother finding them in the shed and his poor dad, to lose his daughter and her boyfriend so soon after loosing his wife and then to discover his other son had murdered them.

[@hangoutwithme346]

I lived about 5 miles from this area and never heard this story. So tragic. May they RIP and may the family find healing.

[@avibrantcityriot5539]

I grew up/live close to where this happened and it was eerie for me to start the video and immediately recognize the area lol I'm glad you're covering what happened. I appreciate you and your videos!

[@chrissyknowsitall5170]

Hello Mike🌹🌹 this was truly heartbreaking. Those poor kids and their family and friends. And to never know why is so hard to live with. I hope the family can find some sort of peace in this world after living through this. 🕊🕊🕊🕯🕯🕯

[@FairyLights4713]

I'm sure I sound like a broken record, but like so many, I am so appreciative of your insanely hard work and for your ability to be funny while respectful. I've only known your work for 2 years or so, but dude, I constantly look forward to your take on these insane cases. thank you for your hard work!!

[@chandraenger3740]

It's a beautiful Friday when you get a notification that Mike posted a new video. I have to say that when a defense team goes for an insanity plea, you gotta look at the fact that he hid what he did which means he knew it was wrong. So insanity... Not so much. Yeah his mental health had to do with it but by no means is an excuse to what he did. Such a sad story of 2 lives taken away so early. My condolences to the families and friends. By the way Mike and the That Chapter family... Love ya! ❤❤❤

[@moosifer3321]

Whilst I`ve been following the Podcasts, I STILL prefer these facial gymnastics, Moike! You ARE the Big Dog.

[@karensmith6557]

I guess it's a good thing the other members of the family were not at home as well. But thank you to the friend who refused to stop asking about them.

[@MidwestPicker]

Hello Mike. Thank you for your dedication to this channel, we appreciate it!

[@martinboyle9163]

What a sad story. Thanks for sharing it. Sometimes my love for true-crime stories gets me depressed to the point where I don't want to hear any more tragic stories, but the way you tell it (even sad stories like this) I feel like you have made it easier to find closure and move on, like gleaming the good in the story the way a prospector can sift gold from a pan. Best to you, Mike!

[@pamelapacific943]

I like true crime especially Mike! But I just watch some comedy so I don't get too bummed out. It helps! ❤

[@hippiechic6772]

Hi Mike I am not sure why some of these cases effect me more than others but this is one that made me cry . To see Danielle and her boyfriend Seren look so happy and loving together in the photos was very touching and peaceful together . I can not begin to imagine how this has torn both families .....for crimes like this even if there was an excuse given it would not ever be good enough. Danielle's brother is where he belongs and thankfully will not ever walk among society again . I had not heard of this case before now Mike and with many cases that you bring up I have not heard of .....I appreciate you giving a voice to those like Danielle and Seren that had these voices stolen from them. I tend to use and appreciate dark humor to cope with uncomfortable or unusual situations so when you do that it does help many of us that see things that way. Thank you for this one Mike and we love you.

[@LandonStrauss-hc1sc]

Right there with you, idk why but it was also very upsetting to hear this one.

[@jillwiegand4257]

Mike, you are really evolving into a very entertaining and humorous storyteller! Watching this sad story with bits and bobs of humor really takes a rare talent! You sir have found your calling/niche! You are so appreciated! Have a great weekend 👍💯🥰

[@emiliyah8890]

Lol right. Mike : " With his shitty little disguise. Looking like an asshole!" 😂😂

[@maureenostermann291]

Loving the two videos a week!! Thanks for all you do for us! Hope you have an excellent weekend!

[@inaschultz1431]

He had a learning disability or was drugged up - he had to ask what premeditated means?

[@ayimzay]

im friends with Seren’s sister. we both agree this video is unbelievably offensive and distasteful. this will probably get drowned out by everyone praising your ability to “find humor in grim situations” but the people who make/consume this type of content are subhuman. have the day yall deserve.

[@cindasucks]

As their best friend and the one from the video, I could not agree more. especially the people in these comments. fucking vile.

[@mamapoch1915]

Crimes like this are very rarely committed because of someone's mental illness. People who are mentally ill are much more likely to be victims of violent crime than perpetrators. It's so sad these two precious souls had their futures ripped away from them. It truly is.

[@XYGamingRemedyG]

I'm just here to say: hello

[@ThatChapter]

Hello!

[@RedShaeyl]

Siren and Danielle weren’t dating for years by the way. They were in the beginning of seeing one another. So much false information. Distasteful.

[@nhmooytis7058]

When I was in law school in OH in 1979-81 there was discussion of eliminating the insanity defense, I was in favor of it. Psychiatrists come to different conclusions depending on who’s paying them and do nothing but muddy the waters. Mental state may be relevant for sentencing but not to the crime itself.

[@amityislandchum]

You're a bad lawyer then.

[@trudykennedy2380]

I think you’re likely a very good lawyer who thinks about bigger and smaller pictures and takes a stand when you believe a wrong could be righted.

[@nhmooytis7058]

@@trudykennedy2380 I’m no kind of lawyer, I’m retired and writing a novel 😉.

[@trudykennedy2380]

@@nhmooytis7058 Well, as an English grad and book lover, I wish you much luck with it! 🇨🇦

[@nhmooytis7058]

@@trudykennedy2380 thanks! Writing it longhand was fun. Typing it, not so much.😗

[@RobertHawthorne]

This is the type of violent act that is the scariest. There appears to be no motive or trigger to cause a brother to kill his sister and boyfriend in the house they shared. How do you protect yourself from something like that?

[@grimreaper9350]

The family would have known he had bipolar and schizophrenia, so the best thing to do is to stay far away with people who have those problems.

[@Silburific]

@@grimreaper9350 And what about all the atrocities commited by people who _don't_ have mental illnesses? How do you protect yourself from that?

[@kouranko]

@@grimreaper9350 I'm not insulting you, just stating a fact, that is a very ignorant comment. You need to learn more about these conditions and study up a bit, perhaps get some experience, before making such statements. Really unhelpful.

[@sarahlowry9633]

@@grimreaper9350 It sucks unfortunately that you would have to separate completely from family because of that, but yes, it’s very important to do that especially if they are not taking their treatment and taking medication seriously. I’ve been there done that I agree with you. 😢

[@kaylew108]

Think really hard. What could cause this brother to decide to kill his sister and her boyfriend in bed asleep together? Never giving any motive or explanations as to why…

[@anna9072]

One of the things one always wants from catching someone who has done something like this is some kind of answer to the question “why?” The answer may not be comprehensible, but even an unsatisfactory answer is better than none. But here he’s giving no answers. So there’s really no closure provided by putting him away. His family will always be left with that aching hole.

[@ABHxVilly]

Thanks for kicking off my weekend Mike !!!

[@ThatChapter]

Hope you have a great one!

[@FroggyBarnett]

Poor father lost 2 children. Another great video. Thanks for bringing us this one, Mike

[@brookeduncan-ray5665]

Rest In Eternal Peace Seren & Danielle 🎈So young 😔 Side story (just need to share with anybody who will read it)…here it go…My family lives in a small rural town in So. Calif (same house 40 years), my step-dad a.k.a. Pop has a buddy Backhoe Bob. They’re both in their mid 70’s Vietnam War vets. B. Bob lost his wife around 15 yrs ago to cancer and then a few years ago, their only child, a daughter that they adopted hung herself. Very, very sad and painful for B. Bob. Super sweet guy. He lived alone about 2-3 miles from my parents house. Last month, he was found murdered in one of his “trailer buildings” on the property. They don’t know who did it. The night they think he was murdered, my mom was visiting a friend who lives around the corner from them and had just sold her house and was getting ready to move out in the next couple of days. As they were talking in the house, there was a knock at the door and “Deb” answered her door and some young guy asked her if she had a trailer or hitch because he was broke down and needed to tow his car. She said, everything’s packed, we have nothing that can help you. She shut the door. As she shut the door, there was two other guys standing down by her gate. Now, her place looked like nobody lives there because the truck was packed and the blinds closed with just the kitchen light on. Next couple of days I asked mom to tell Deb to check her with her company about her iCloud ring. My mom went on google maps to look at B. Bob’s property to see the layout of it. Shit you not, it was photographed the day before the murder and there on the RR tracks is a blue truck and what looks like to be a person about 20 yards in front of it. One last thing, B.Bob is on camera at the town gas station in a blue car with 3 guys in it. Crazy, creepy and wild how small towns can put you so close to what may or may not be in the middle of a murder night. We shall see….

[@whoswhoatthezoo9372]

What a sad ending to a sad life. Some people get dealt a really bad set of cards, it just doesn’t seem to be fair. A Vietnam Vet. as well 🙏

[@wandaferrer7663]

Mike you have a talented way of telling these macabre stories, you’re slight humor makes these stories bearable.

[@ksb2235]

Seren is my brother.... every time some of these posts come about of some true crime blog talking about what happened to him and Danielle my mom and i and anyone who's cared about them have to relive some of their darkest days surrounding it. The fact that this is monetized is disgusting and vile and these comments are even worse. I cannot imagine finding something as tragic as what happened "entertaining" or thinking "Hey! This is great content for me to make money off of" It really is so disheartening These are peoples lives you are talking about. They were such kind loving people and to see their final moments being extorted for entertainment and money is so upsetting. If this is "entertainment" for you , you should take some time to think if you are living up to your standards for what a good person is. If I was being nice the very nature of this content is extremely insensitive touch some grass and have the day you deserve

[@darcihoudeshell2588]

I'm still wondering why. This case is truly disturbing. Thanks Mike!

[@bobbiepeppers2486]

You're the greatest Mike!!!! I've been watching you since the beginning. I don't think there's anyone out there that can tell a story the way you do!!! You truly are the best at what u do. Very proud of you btw. ❤

[@diabolikmitchell2960]

"Do you wish to say anything?" The guy answered 'no' as if the judge asked him if he wanted a cup of coffee. There's a body there, but nothing else, no remorse, he's like a dead man walking.

[@MayThereBeWorldPeace]

Well how do you want him to act? He's guilty, knows it, everyone is watching him, is likely scared to death. People read too much into the emotions of a murderer.

[@JessFarming]

Notification crew!! Let’s give it a Goo!!

[@vegemitesandwich81]

Just hearing that "hey, you" on a dreary, rainy Autumn Australian day lifted my mood. Had to give it a goo, and I'm glad (as always).... Thank you, Mike ❤

[@mariahurley6864]

Yay! Two videos this week :) I’ve listen to the podcasts, but I’m a visual person and lose track of who is who when I only listen. Thanks :)

[@ladeelibra925]

😃 *A Friday post from Mike is always a good start to the weekend.* My ❤ goes out to the father & the rest of the family & friends. 🙏

[@jaykayess5151]

Hello I just want everyone to know as well as the creator, The creator of this video DOES NOT have family permission nor did they consult with the family at all. This was a tragedy for those of Serens family and they DO NOT want their biggest tragedy to be entertainment for views. Though I myself indulge in true crime I also know that there is a way to do it ethically. And this is not it.

[@zackadamec9332]

My god, such a horrendous, tragic, senseless tragedy for this family and the friends of the victims. I can't even imagine what that father has gone through between losing his wife, his daughter as well one of his son's in a way. Just so horrific and senseless.

[@maramarxx2431]

The family didnt hear anything? Smelt nothing in 6 days ?

[@annaelisavettavonnedozza9607]

We ❤ u, Mike! You’re great to listen to

[@Chrissybrit43]

I’m bipolar and BPD. Even at my most detached from myself and everyone else, I knew right from wrong. The times of using mental illness as a reason, can’t be effective as it used to be, not with the medication progressions we have.

[@ginnygin7141]

Really horrifying and truly terrifying. Such a young and promising couple 😢

[@jeffreed3443]

Sweet!!! Love when I get a that chapter notification

[@elless6535]

➡️ EVERYONE should read the response comment by Khriscinda Grandaas. It's under the comment by Manny Mayhem. Her longer response there adds so much missing detail as a witness and friend in this case.

[@merhona3472]

Two such beautiful young people. This is so horrific.

[@yumiko8988]

Hi Mike, just to let you know that That Chapter is the very first video got me into KZbin crime channel. I watch all of your video. I like the way you tell the story. There are a lot of other crime video started but you are the original. Thank you for delivering consistent high standard video.😊

[@snarfington]

Hell yes!!! I have a prisoner who plotted for years to kill his parents. He is trying to use the "mental illness" card, as we call it but he's a cold, calculated pos. Mental illness is dynamic. Just because her brother had been unwell doesn't mean he was psychotic at that time. He may be using it as an excuse. I've been a psychiatric nurse for 30 years and amateur psychiatrists will not take my knowledge and experience from me and my colleagues.

[@Keigancarah]

i remember this happening, i grew up a city over from clinton twp and had some mutual friends with danielle. such an unbelievably senseless crime.

[@rymorrissey9143]

Amazing job with the fly sound effect, I have headphones in and it tripped me out til I realized it was sound effect 😅

[@BrittenyRosee]

Just got done doing some much needed yard work while the sun is finally out in California! Now I get to sit back, eat some otter pops, and watch some good ol That Chapter. Can never go wrong, and love the podcasts as well! Always a good treat after some work, or just on a day off. Much love, hope you and everyone else has a lovely day❤😊

[@Hello-ig1px]

Otter pops? How old are you, 10?

[@krotchlickmeugh627]

From Cali as well norcal tho

[@naelyneurkopfen9741]

@@Hello-ig1px I'm guessing, by your comment, that you're in the 10-12 age range. Your parents should supervise you more closely.

[@TheStar798]

Wow. The 'nasties' are really out in the comments section!! 🙄

[@Kim-ev8pr]

@@TheStar798 They sure are🙄