The Horrifying Implications in Severance - This is a Thing

[@alambster]

So many scary elements in this show. For me, the most frightening part is people willingly signing up for the procedure without fully realizing how messed up it is.

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

A total Lack of Insight into what they are doing and creating. Episode 7 I think really handles this well. Thanks for commenting. - de Janglez

[@starshymn4326]

Same for me, it's terrifying imagining leaving my body in a place I know nothing about and where I'm not conscious

[@TrueKivan]

For me the scariest part is being an innie. Anyone who already spend some years full time working will be familiar with the fantasy of 'oh I wish I could just snap my fingers and blink to the end my shift' . This show takes that literally and goes to it's logical conclusion. Just image finally reaching the end of the shift, clocking out, door opens and you back, for you it's one continuos existanceof only work, 24/7, 365 days a year, no breaks, no sleep, no distraction, privacy, nothing, just this cryptic mumbo jumbo and those damn liminal spaces. During the first few episodes I was like 'if I was her I would just hang myself in the elevator so that piece of shit other me chokes on this' and it's exactly what she tried doing next.

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

That is exactly the horror of captalist linear time in terms of Labour-power. THere is no free time. there is only work. - de Janglez

[@michaelc2472]

Brother they just shoot the shit all day and play video game

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

@@michaelc2472 ahahaha. I like this take. Video games can be labor though... have you seen live services? - de Janglez

[@monicarenee7949]

@@michaelc2472 I’m a person who hates repetitive work, so that’s a nightmare for me. Especially since they can’t see anyone besides the same few people per day. I think only way it can be made to not be torture is to give them memories only associated with work so they don’t even know there’s a real world. They know about “outside” and that people have kids in the “real world” and they know they have an “innie” and that they should have known their real name and family name. Since they know something is missing they know to miss their “real life”.

[@simay4977]

Have watched S1 four times now and while each character is interesting, I'm increasingly fascinated with Milchick. He almost seems like a programmed AI.

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

Milcheck is bizar.... I have no idea what to make of him... or what sinister plans lie behind that mysterious mustache...- de Janglez

[@constantchange1145]

Hes just a loyal henchman, he probably gets paid really well and possibly has some narcissistic traits, like Helly's outie. But I see him more as a narrative tool than an interesting mystery. But yeah its gonna be interesting to see what hes like when not at work

[@kangtheconqueror9545]

This show will go down with the Sopranos, the Wire, Mad Men, and Breaking Bad as one of the best shows ever. I can already see it.

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

If they can keep up the exellent writing, which I think they will, then I think you are absolutely correct. - de Janglez

[@monicarenee7949]

I thought the same about Westworld until they couldn’t keep up with the excitement of the first season. I trust that this show will continue to be amazing

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

@@monicarenee7949 That first season of West world was really tight though. - de Janglez

[@etamommy]

I think hit is way premature to predict this will stand with say sopranos or breaking bad because it is only one season in. You unfortunately cannot extrapolate: ozark, and game of thrones were this good but fizzled in their endings I think.

[@friendswithanimals]

Yes!!! 100% agree.

[@flamingo6828]

I watched this show a little less than a year before discovering that I have DID, and let me tell you watching it felt so eerily up close and personal. The Severence procedure is incredibly similar to having DID, with a few exceptions, since it is based on a theoretical procedure and not real life occurrence. In real life the severing comes from intensive prolonged childhood traumatic experiences that you can't escape, so your brain splits you into parts, or several pieces. It's more complicated than one part experiences trauma and another part lives normally, it's actually more similar to Severance in that different parts/altars end up having different jobs and behaviors developed based off of experiences they have to deal with. Like Mark's job is coping with his grief and he is unequipped to deal with social situations, while Mark's innie is actually fairly skilled at socializing and handling higher stress situations that occur at work because he has no other choice than to adapt. Memories work a bit differently too, it's very rare for someone to have a complete blackout when another altar is in control, the way it happens in the show. For me it's like, if your memory of the previous day is a movie, sometimes you will only have a trailer to remember what happened, sometimes it will be a few pictures. Going back to what I said at the beginning, I think the scariest part of Severence is that your brain is only supposed to function like that if some really awful shit has happened, and structuring a work environment based off of maintaining a severed state in an employee's mind is setting a precedent for abuse and exploitation. It becomes the end goal of this type of environment, and what's even worse is that season 1 was just showing the company's experimenting with using this procedure, they want to make it a standard in the future.

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

WOW. that was Very personal but also incredibly insightful. thank you for sharing and for watching. - de Janglez

[@coyoteclockworkstudios3140]

"No rights for the benefit of labor" is the most chilling line in this.

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

Thanks for watching - de Janglez

[@coomservative]

this completely ignores that Mark got the procedure to forget his OUTTIE existence, not because he hated his job. It’s also important to note this show is about corporate culture and bureaucracy more than labor itself. I think a major lesson to take from season 1 is that the desire to forget painful experiences results in total loss of control, it’s about the extremes of being anti-confrontational.

[@EvilSnips]

Ironically, I liked how calm the show was so I watched most of the episodes at night when I was going to bed, maybe I'm just messed up...

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

i get the calm bit... the fact that horrible stuff happens and gets passed over is why I think it's so much scarier. - de Janglez

[@EvilSnips]

@@CinemastersUltimateTimeline Yea it's funny because when I was awake it seemed so much more scary but when I was sleepy and not paying too much attention it felt calm. I love that kind of horror that's not in your face but still terrifying.

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

@@EvilSnips definitely. - de Janglez

[@allankuria9923]

I can't really explain why but getting an innie to experience the pain of childbirth for you is an asshole move.

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

I'll take a stab at it if you like... The idea of going through any kind of pain sucks but if you choose to have a child then you take the good with the bad. So choosing to force someone else to go through the pain and suffering for a choice you made is textbook cruelty. But, yeah there's just something really repulsive about this. I don't have any insight into the act of child labor it self but I think many cultures treat this act with a certain amount of reverence in spite of the suffering and so to see it treated so callously just to get out of it with no regard for the person put in your place is messed up. - de Janglez.

[@octoscorpion2506]

There is a character in the movie "The Island" who was created/cloned specifically to gestate and give birth for a wealthy couple, and then unceremoniously killed once labor is complete.

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

@@octoscorpion2506 The island is very Micheal Bay. But I have seen it and it is an interesting tale of morality. The movie never let me go and the novel it was based on do a better job of exploring the same topic and morality from a much more humanistic approach. not that there is anything wrong with the island. it's just very much an action movie. - de Janglez

[@sitnuhe]

The scariest thing for me is that the severance procedure is an actual, real thing that exists in people, it's DID. The brain literally creates a different person (alter, innie) to experience the painful memories, and then builds a wall around that memory so the host doesn't have to deal with the pain.

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

YOOOOOO!!! is this a real thing? - de Janglez

[@ophiuchus203]

@@CinemastersUltimateTimeline it used to be called Multiple Personality Disorder. It's now referred to as Disassociative Identity Disorder. You can see a pretty good example of it in Marvel's Moon Knight series

[@hihello-nq5wy]

I'm glad someone else mentioned this. Mark's situation of losing his wife, being unable to function well enough to hold down a job and literally making a version of himself that isn't devastated by that trauma so that he can continue to at least be semi-functioning really reminded me of DID. The situation for the severed workers in Severance is already bad enough, I can't imagine how being stuck with many different versions of yourself in the same body (many systems have more than two alters), without being able to control when or where that switch happens must be like.

[@simay4977]

Absolutely obsessed with this show. Love the ethics/morality of it. So relatable (work/life "balance"). Genius tv.

[@chrisellis4400]

My brother is a theist who is terrified of movies with ghosts and other supernatural phenomenon. I'm an atheist who is completely unfazed by ghosts. He is terrified by the amityville horror movies, but I was unaffected. I was terrified by Severance, but he was unaffected.

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

I am generalizing but I think a theist would have an easier time believing that procreation would be justified and that it is less of a meaningless endeavor compounded by suffering. But I would say the inverse is not necessarily true for atheists... ghost stories terrify me despite my disbelief. thanks for the insight and comment. - de Janglez

[@Sir_TophamHatt]

Guys, this is what ideological capture sounds like.

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

Have a look at the video I did on WALL-E. very similar idea. - de Janglez

[@Zaza_Grady]

So glad to hear someone truly grasp and articulate the concept of exploitation in the show. The innies are forced to perform endless labor and make money they will never see. The innie of the senator’s wife is forced to experience all the horrors of labor and give birth to babies she’ll never hold.

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

Super glad you enjoyed the video - de Janglez

[@sawyerstudio]

Fantastic writing and presentation my guy

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

thank you. - de Janglez

[@Looshington]

wow your production level is insanely good. I was expecting this channel to be big after watching it. Anything you cover that i watch i’ll be checking out!

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

Thank you. I am always down for recommendations for things to watch too. - de Janglez

[@originaozz]

This video is just the daily dose of existensial crisis I need. The worst part is how in real life you don't really "severed", but just swiped away these news of labor, willing choose to buy things that make you feel good through the suffering of others or eat up what your company said because you do want to make a living.

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

A good premise can show what is wrong with our society and social order. thanks for watching - de Janglez

[@ApolloHeliosPhoebus]

Nothing I’ve ever watched has messed with me like this. I think because (like many of us) i disassociate all the time. Including watching KZbin. Oh god.

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

OH NO! am I part of the problem? - de Janglez

[@onedeadsaint]

this was an incredibly well-made and thought-out video! you definitely need more subs!

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

Thank you. It was a show and topic that i had been sitting on for a few months so it was fun to get it out there. - de Janglez

[@tinkergnomad]

I'm so thrilled you mentioned The Backrooms connection. I honestly couldn't fathom how this hasn't been present in all the discussion around Severance. I couldn't stop thinking about similarities to The Backrooms from the first scene in the first episode! How does everyone not see this?!?

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

I didn't know about the backrooms until I saw a let's play of one of the various games someone made about the creepypasta. I then looked it up and it was fascinating but I think it's one of those internet things that are everywhere on some parts of the internet and with some communities but other parts are entirely devoid of it. That's my guess anyway. - de Janglez

[@Chloe-dv9ns]

This is an awesome analysis. Thank you for putting your time into making this!

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

Thank you for the kind words - de Janglez

[@liz0018]

A brilliant show and a brilliant video!!

[@crystalthesocialworker]

Great video. I never knew about the Stanley Parable. Now I want to go download it and play it. I had to subscribe because of how well-made the video was. I am about to go and binge-watch a bunch of your videos now. lol

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

I May in fact do an entire video on the Stanley parable it self... despite it being a decade old it's still one of the most brilliant games I have ever played. Thank you so much for your comment and for watching this and any other videos. - de Janglez

[@Penelope416]

I just finished watching season 1 again... And it was just as good as the first time I watched it. Shows like this have me spoiled. I'm so spoiled with good screenwriting, that the mainstream, national tv stuff, doesn't phase me at all. Severance is such a breath of fresh air. I hope season 2 will be just as good, if not better. Also, I had no clue that the stage design of the show was based on a video game.

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

This show is a very different kind of show. I know some people complained about pacing but i think that was the point. That was probably why it felt refreshing when compared to a classic thriller. Thanks for commenting. - de Janglez

[@kruz148]

Incredible quality. Love getting recommended videos from creators that deserve more attention.

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

THank you so much. -de Janglez

[@agnesblack1974]

Severence is totally the best TV I’ve seen in a long time. I was watching while it was being released weekly which made me wait a whole 7 days to see what would happen next. If we ever implant ANYTHING in our brains, it should empower, enlighten, and take the human experience to its furthest vistas, not limit us to human capital.

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

check out the video i just did on WALL-E. its n that exact topic.- de Janglez.

[@kateelson991]

So it’s a Lumon-al space? I think that’s awesome if it was meant to sound like “liminal”

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

It's a good theory... I think there is more going on there but it would make for a good easter egg. - de Janglez

[@ethanwentzlaff]

Absolutely fantastic video! Great work and I’m so excited for Season 2

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

can't wait. thanks for watching. - de Janglez

[@carolinac7807]

I wish I could like this video more than once. Excellent

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

So glad you enjoyed it that much. Thank you for watching. - de Janglez

[@ShaneClough]

I genuinely cannot believe how high the production quality of this video was, let alone how incredible the content itself was for such a small channel. I was sure this would have been from a channel with hundreds of thousands of subs at least. Keep at it, the content is absolutely amazing!

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

Thank you. It took some time to learn. Some of my older videos are hard to watch now but I still love them. Thank you for the kind words and for enjoying the video. - de Janglez

[@JanaeSmith]

OMG yes!!! I'm so glad I found this video! Thanks for the analysis of my own brain. Soooo like Black Mirror... VR is a mind tuck too. Too many hours in No Man's Sky will ....

[@JanaeSmith]

And yes The Stanley Parable! With glass mirror and benicio del Toro's curiosity cabinet, I've been thinking lately how good shows are blurring the line in the video games. With the technology behind digital imaging and audio not to mention processing power...

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

I have a video comeing soon on the nature of Games and affecting the audience. SPOILERS. Thank you for watching and commenting. - de Janglez

[@gabika4nafafofa]

Yes, i like that you touched on the esthetic of the show. The office building with the brutalist 80s architecture gives a special reminiscent tone of socialist/communist countries where propaganda was used to glorify the labor and the workers of that time. Meaning everyone had to work for the same idea (aka the one party), look the same, act the same and not ask questions (rebel).

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

Absolutely. an Inspired decision for the aesthetic. Although usually, it's totalitarian and authoritarian governments that do this and just call themselves socialist or communist. thanks for watching. - de Janglez

[@deab1253]

I hope you're aware on which side of the political agenda this show stands on, gabika

[@Lincoln_Bio]

@@CinemastersUltimateTimeline It's almost as if corporate capitalism is somewhat authoritarian, huh

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

@@Lincoln_Bio See, you get it. also, I just got the pun in your handle... amazing! - de Janglez

[@etamommy]

That masterpiece of a song seems to apply here to this show, especially driven home by Helly’s season one plight ; we are programmed to receive, you can check out any time you like but you can never leave’. That song is a nightmare (though endlessly listenable) and this show is similarly terrifying in that way.

[@SandSeven]

You got talent. I was shocked to see the number of subscribers you have after checking at about halfway through the video. Use this video as a gateway to expand your channel. You got a good voice and mind. If you really want to be a large channel, I have no doubt you'll get there. Best of luck good sir!

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

thank you for the kind words. I am going to keep at it. - de Janglez

[@TwiPrime]

Hope you're feeling much better! Thanks for this video. Antinatalist philosophy is new to me in name, although I've often thought it's horrible to have been born into such a shitty life (wah). Thanks for pointing these writings out and connecting them to the show. I only just got to watch the show, myself, so the video isn't late at all for me!

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

Thank you for watching. It's an interesting philosophy and i think a lot of people are coming around to it with out realizing there is a whole academic field dedicated to it. - de Janglez

[@Kyle-fq4kq]

I wouldn’t say furthest thing from comedy, Dylan was hilarious

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

that is true. I also enjoyed his jabs in the first few episodes. - de Janglez

[@adorakve7784]

Bro how do you have so little subs? Your content is top tier

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

Thank you. That is nice to hear. I don't really have a reason for the subs. I don't really chase trends and i try to stay mostly positive so that may have somthing to do with it... thanks again. - de Janlgez.

[@JeanBenoitLesage]

This video is superbly well made! Earned an instant sub from me, your channel is very underrated :)

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

Thanks for checking the video and welcome. - de Jangle

[@LibertyRapsher]

Good take on the show. Most people seem to miss the central theme of the show... that of being a play on the sinister nature of life, as opposed to it merely being a play on the corporate work environment. Sure, the sinister nature of out life, or those in Severance is to ultimately work and produce for another entity. But overall life is sinister as f__k. Life feeds on life. Life is filled with pain and suffering. Some or many of course have it worse than others, but our existence is pretty tragic. We know nothing else so we adapt to it and some or many have something in the realm of Stockholm Syndrome for this life and give praise to what they believe is their creator. Much like the Severance workers giving their praise and thanks to Lumen. In the break room they apologize for the harm they have brought this world etc, etc, which is the same idea with those who believe they are born into sin and must be forgiven and must give praise to their creator on a regular basis and apologize for their existence, upon which they will be rewarded by their creator.

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

I had not made the connection between the idea of sin and the break room as a way of making people ashamed of there own existence as a way of controlling them... this is a dark take but an excellent one. Thanks for sharing. - de Janglez

[@rini6]

This is the best analysis of Severance I have seen. I did not even think of the antinatalist ideas. They are obvious in retrospect.

[@Halucygeno]

I'm vaguely familiar with Bennatar's work, but somehow still managed to miss all of the antinatalist subtext. Thanks for pointing it out. One other aspect of the show that stood out to me (and is so obvious, it might not be worth mentioning) is how Lumen's founder is portrayed as this deity-like figure. His words are treated as scripture, miss Kobel has a literal shrine to him and wears Petey's chip like a cross necklace... Perhaps it's commentary on how we worship rich tech entrepreneurs? To be honest, I find it to be one of the less compelling parts of the show's imagery, not sure what to make of it.

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

I wonder if they will go deeper into who and what kier and lumon are in the future... cause you are right about the imagery but i am hesitant to say anything until i know more... which is good writing if nothing else... - de Janglez

[@regancopple4085]

Definitely Canadian. I keep hearing that particular 'ou' sound in out & about. Also, the strange 'ow' sound in the word sorrow.

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

I am Unashamed of my pronunciation. It's just what I am aboot on this channel. de Janglez

[@C14Y2134]

Great video! Subbed

[@eduardomarcelino3110]

What a great channel, congratulations!

[@kayjenong8352]

That was a great deep dive into the show, a very unique take. Keep it up! And hope you’re feeling better ❤

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

thank you for the kind sentiments and for watching. - de Janglez

[@nearthgg]

I need more people talking about this show! It was my favorite from last year, I feel it’s underaged because it appeared on Apple TV and people don’t follow that

[@monicarenee7949]

I am someone who just now watched it this year after it was recommended by a friend, and my first reaction before watching it was, “omg I have to purchase yet another streaming service?!” I just hate that I have to buy services just to watch one show. Like Netflix for Stranger Things, Hulu for Atlanta and Handmaids Tale, a separate app for sports games, etc., now this. Almost wish I could pay by show I watch vs. streaming service. But with that said, I watched the whole first season in one day because it was just that good! I will restore my apple account when the next season comes up

[@nancyjonesfrancis]

I love what you're doing here. Severance is an excellent show. Have you done a video of Amazon Prime's Upload starring Robbie Amell? Couldn't find it with Search. I put it up there with Severance and The Good Place. It would be interesting to hear your thoughts about it.

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

That one is on the list of need to watch with "the peripheral". working through them all but I will give it a look. Thanks for watching and for the recommendation. de Janglez

[@KinokoRyu]

It doesn't surprise me Ben Stiller is part of the making of this show. It has a similar dark tone like Cable Guy. Of course Cable Guy had more comedy in it but still on the dark side. Plus Jim's speech at the end was basically a prediction of the present day we live in. This speaks volumes on how the working world works now and the technology doesn't seem to far from what will be possible in the future. Currently it seems like in life now the working class are the innies for the rich class.

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

That is precisely correct. We are the Innies. great insight into Ben Stillers' past work connecting to this show. - de Janglez

[@VixCrush]

My favorite show this year so far was Andor... This was good though. I was on this show from when the first episode dropped. I hope they can keep it going.

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

STAY TUNED. - de Janglez

[@abbiealverez2960]

I'm curious to see the cross over effect. Surely the innie and outie will be subconsciously psychologically effected and the trauma will manifest in painful ways.

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

Depends on if the show decides to look at the Severance procedure as a "Hardware" or "Software" problem. I am not sure how a physical separation of the brain into two personalities would affect how one feels the trauma of the other... but if it is just a separation of the mind using the same "Hardware" then we may see a cross-over. either way, I don't know enough about the psychology of trauma only the philosophy of the mind. Great inquiry. - de Janglez

[@iromang1290]

Kenopsia may be made up, but certainly not gibberish. It’s made up of two Greek words keno - empty, opsi - look/appearance.

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

I meant made up more in the way many people like to gate-keep words and look down on vernacular as "lesser" verbiage because it is not widely used or included in dictionaries. Language is always being "made up" and has never been static. Great insight into the word's makeup though. thanks for sharing. - de Janglez

[@rini6]

Too me, the most disturbing part of the show is the fate of Ms Casey/Gemma.

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

I think the question of how they disappeared her as well as where the black hallway leads... We know so little about her and it's all terrifying. Thanks for watching and for the kind words. - de Janglez

[@worthbygrades]

I just saw this video pop up On my feet I clicked on it because I thought it was something that was going to explain what exactly the numbers are How they are scary what they mean and Everything else Around specifically that Even it was just a theory I would be interested But you subverted my expectations and honestly I'm letting this a lot more Then A video about that pacifically Just like how you thought that this show was a comedy but turned out it was A Horror show and much more than that That had been said I would love to say A KZbin video made by anyone About specifically that

[@nocontextwhatever]

Why the hell would anyone need to be severed to do this job? No one has any idea what work they are doing anyway! I really hope s2 answers this!!

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

RIGHT! why are the numbers scary, What was with the dance at the end, and what the hell is up with those goats? If I had to speculate I think the severance procedure is a means of keeping both the innie and the outies in the dark... also labor. Thanks for watching. - de Janglez

[@monicarenee7949]

It could be because the coworkers could meet outside of work and try to put things together. In the “innie” world they are closely guarded so no department knows what the other is doing. If you could easily find a coworker where people can’t watch you on camera, you could start to put two and two together to understand what your job is. Another thing I found through a separate source provided by Apple TV is that their work has ties to real life events. I think they’d start to know what was impacted by their jobs if they were in the real world. We’ll probably see more of that in season 2.

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

@@monicarenee7949 something to do with the fact that the folders are named after towns... Like finding dissidents by looking at data that doesn't conform. That's my guess anyway. - de Janglez

[@etamommy]

Ooot or withooot are pronounced out or without (owt or withowt) by most Americans. Is the narrator here Canadian and is that the Canadian pronunciation. Just curious.

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

It is normal and I am Canadian. - de Janglez

[@ThatsMforyou]

so im watching this video, and you tell me to go check out the monsters inc video. so i go to the monsters inc video, and you mention the toy story video, do i have to go watch that before finishing the monsters inc video? when will the rabbit hole end?????

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

No, the Toy Story video isn't related to Marxism so it's not necessary... still think it's a good video but it's more just to encourage people who like what I say to keep watching. Thanks for your comments. I got crack out of them. - de Janglez

[@ThatsMforyou]

@@CinemastersUltimateTimeline you should make a video in the future that refrences this video, that would be sick

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

@@ThatsMforyou I can almost guarantee that will happen. I will go off on True Detective and Nietzchian nihilism and make some reference to antiantinatalism... actually maybe I should just do that....- de Janglez

[@sarahmontuori6164]

The show gave me nightmares as well.

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

How could it not! - de Janglez

[@jonathanquintanilla6619]

Can someone explain the thing about the senators child? Minute 23

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

Certainly, I was trying to draw a parallel between the suffering of going through child labor (a term we use to denote the work and pain of giving birth) and the pain and suffering of work labor. The senator's wife uses an Innie to avoid that suffering the same way that Mark or the other outies avoid the suffering of their work labor. I did this to underline the idea that the show is antinatalist because not only is existence suffering but so is the process of bringing a person into existence. The senator's wife avoids the suffering of natalism by pawning it off on someone else. That's why I think that this example is such a blatant piece of evidence for antinatalism. thank you for asking the question and I hope that provides some elucidation. - de Janglez.

[@peacefulmaroon]

Great introduction to some core philosophy tenets.

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

Thanks. Glad you are working your way through the back catalog. - de Janglez

[@peacefulmaroon]

@@CinemastersUltimateTimeline it’s depressing you don’t have more views. Your content is so relevant for growing critical thinkers. 🤔

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

@@peacefulmaroon Thank you so much for saying that. If you are willing to share any of my videos with other people it is so incredibly helpful. Thank you again. - de Janglez

[@wofie9785]

Hes so canadian hahaha hes like the epitome of canadian

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

What? Who? Me? What are you on aboot Eh? - de Janglez

[@Softapplecore]

You've never seen black mirror?

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

Not all the way through. Just bits of episodes. it's on the list don't worry. - de Janglez

[@Softapplecore]

@@CinemastersUltimateTimeline I appreciate you talking about antinatalism. Wether you agree or not, attempting to educate people on other views in a respectful way gives me hope for the exposure of this philosophy and the future. TV shows like this and attack on Titan don't blatantly come out and embrace the full brunt of antinatalism, but just sprinkling nuggets of the ideas is slowing introducing it to the masses.

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@@Softapplecore It's certainly an interesting Philosophy. I Like a lot of the arguments, particularly those around anthropocentrism. - de Janglez

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It would be interesting if the show wasn't boring AF

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Antinatalism says “Procreation is hugely selfish”? Human beings helping their species to survive is selfish? This makes no sense. The labor involved in suffering in order for a species to survive is always worth it. Otherwise the species ceases to exist. And to argue for that outcome is beyond mental.

[@CinemastersUltimateTimeline]

That's a perfectly valid reaction. Many people don't see the sense in antinatalism. but It's worth noting that there are people out there who think this way and why they might come to these conclusions. Thanks for watching and commenting - de Janglez

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But why is it imperative for our species to survive? Why is it justified to bring someone into existence in order to work their entire life to sustain others? People never consent to being brought into the world to sustain the existence of humanity. But people do it for their own selfish desires.

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@@quincywashington9355 Your questions are valid. But your current perspective is one that requires spiritual wisdom be removed entirely from existence. There is much spiritual wisdom present in numerous cultures around the world and throughout history, any of which one can draw from in order to expand one’s point of reference regarding human existence and suffering. There is much comfort to be drawn from this wisdom, if one is willing to seek it out.

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@@quincywashington9355 I've always thought the argument for the perpetuation of the species was problematic. you put it nicely by stating that the individual is not responsible for the perpetuation of a species. I think you can take this a step further by looking at the existential reasoning behind the individual as well as the species. If there is no purpose in life for an individual the same could be said of the species. so perpetuating the species would be done purely for the reason in itself. great debating my well-read ballers. - de Janglez

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@@jaredcaines6688 Wisdom is only necessary assuming that the continuation of humanity is as well. If there is no one to experience wisdom there is no need for it to exist. You could point at any value and say that it would disappear with humans. But non-existent people do not wish for such things to exist. They wish for nothing because they don’t exist. Deprivation is only possible given a state of existence.