I expected the decimation. To bury a vestalin alive if she breaks her virginity was the common punishment and has nothing to do with the battle of Cannae.
@stephenpowstinger7334 жыл бұрын
Stephan Venner possibly a feminist interpretation here.
@deguohendali11044 жыл бұрын
John S that was used in order to strengthen resolve and prevent future desertion.
@caryboy20064 жыл бұрын
John S You don’t do that while on defensive. Decimation was done to legionary troops that bolted from a battle. There was no one to decimate after Cannae. The main fighting legions were wiped out or captured. Estimated dead was around 48,000.
@oldrabbit82904 жыл бұрын
i thought she was talking about the killing of 2 Gauls and 2 Greeks (ie, human sacrifice) after the battle of Cannae. but nope, bury a priestess, who was accused of adultery, alive.. don't get me wrong, it's awful - but also very common across the world during that time (and even long after that).. and not just in time of war either..
@illegalaryan8233 жыл бұрын
@@oldrabbit8290 Feminist "historian"
@CrimsonGuard19925 жыл бұрын
For all the messed up things that happened in ancient history, someone being buried alive is rather tame.....
@oswaldchai98655 жыл бұрын
Much better than burying hundreds of thousands of surrendering enemy soldiers alive. Note that this is during the warring states of ancient China
@CLASSICALFAN1005 жыл бұрын
The small amount of food & water was a formality. Buried underground in a sealed vault, the VV would have suffocated in less than an hour...
@fuckman2975 жыл бұрын
CLASSICALFAN100 you’d spend a good couple of days in there tops. Humans don’t actually take in that much air I don’t think
@SDeww5 жыл бұрын
+ Oswald Chai cant u see this is a feminist show with male bashing in it.
@visiblejeff88865 жыл бұрын
Demon Hunter I honestly thought it would have been flaying or mauled by dogs from the way they described it.
@jonsteiner11825 жыл бұрын
This video is misleading. It implies that Fabius Maximus arbitrarily decided to bury the Vestal Virgin alive for breaking her vow of chastity. He was actually following Roman law, which prescribed that a Vestal Virgin be buried alive (actually placed in a sealed chamber with a couch and some provisions, and then be left to die) for breaking her vow. This was not ritual murder but capital punishment. To us this seems horrible, but we are not Romans living over 2,200 years ago. The ancient Romans believed that the safety and success of Rome was based on the protection of the gods (the pax deorum, or peace of the gods), and that this protection was based on the strict adherence to ritual by the Romans in worshipping the gods. To the Romans, the Vestal Virgin had committed sacrilege by breaking her vow. She had endangered the entire community and had to be punished in a way that would appease the gods. By the way, her lover would have been whipped to death according to the law
@oliberrr5 жыл бұрын
Maybe not murder in a legal sense. Still, unjust and inhumane.
@GelebFlamebringer5 жыл бұрын
Lol Nazis, really?
@d4rrylexmachina5 жыл бұрын
@@oliberrr sitting here n judgement thousands of years after, from the privilege of being born in the safest, wealthiest the in History is easy. Hope you can mantain those values when your society is falling apart, facing a real existential threat and you need a scapegoat for the peoples anger to be directed against. Is it nice? Fair? Humane? No. Was it necessary? Yes.
@veritasnunc87495 жыл бұрын
. Clearly I stated obeying orders is not always right. I regret you could not see my meaning. Have a great day, boy!
@BELCAN575 жыл бұрын
Unjust and inhumane in the 21st Century. Perfectly normal though in that period in time.
@alfthealien3 жыл бұрын
This is extremely mild by ancient standards and I can even understand their rationale. I initially thought they massacred the entire population of weeping women.
@cosimopastia83893 жыл бұрын
Yes, yes, yes
@finalment3 жыл бұрын
I had the same thought
@Poodle_Gun3 жыл бұрын
ghost soldier, a lot of ancient cultures burned war widows on the funeral pyre.
@BryonLetterman4 жыл бұрын
I think nailing someone to a cross is worse than what happened to that girl, and that's not to downplay what happened to her. But being crucified is basically the definition of a horrific death.
@Seek18784 жыл бұрын
Scaphism was worse.
@tryfryingmikejones4 жыл бұрын
both are state abuse of power and your mind is small.
@Darqshadow3 жыл бұрын
@@tryfryingmikejones Rome was a superstitios society with strong ties to tradition. Those Traditions allowed Rome to conquer the known world. This so called historian does not understand that Vestial Virgins were to be pure till their service ended at age 25-30. Till then they were to safegaurd the light of Rome, a brazier that burned eternally.
@dgerdi3 жыл бұрын
Crucification is worse, when it comes to physical pain. To bury someone alive is more of a psychological torture. Both execution methods take days to be accomplished. Jesus died so fast, because they tortured him to the bones, because they feared, that he could have preached from the cross.
@sabyasachibandyopadhyay85583 жыл бұрын
Ever heard of the blood eagle?
@bguen12345 жыл бұрын
The slow, overly dramatic narration is tiring.
@adlsfreund5 жыл бұрын
The whiny, overly negative commentary is annoying.
@jstrahan25 жыл бұрын
William Guenthner: I thought the same thing.
@danielromberg6855 жыл бұрын
Like that comma?
@inhumanfilth6815 жыл бұрын
Its not even 4 minutes long. Your lack of attention span and general whinyness is tiring.
@millennialpopculture6695 жыл бұрын
William Guenthner you sound like a cry baby mature up or shut up
@jorge15825 жыл бұрын
Someone should introduce this lady to a real history channel HISTORIA CIVILIS
@illegalaryan8233 жыл бұрын
Better yet, Dovahhatty and his "Unbiased History of Rome" series.
@jasonmartin47753 жыл бұрын
May I remind you that historia civilis also talked about how women were treated?
@illegalaryan8233 жыл бұрын
@@jasonmartin4775 and goes into detail to remind the viewer of the context of the era.
@MegaBlueShit3 жыл бұрын
@@jasonmartin4775 Yes historia civilis talks about women too, just as they should. Along with a great many other details about Roman society, and usually in a matter of fact way, while reminding the viewer that their society and morals were very different. What the makers of this video do here is cherry pick the two of the great many things Romans did after the immeasurable disaster that Cannae was for them, a time that called for truly desperate measures if Rome was to survive. Both of the measures they picked are things that effected mostly women, and which modern women can relate to. Probably stopped at two because they couldn't find any more. The other - in the historical sense far more important - measures aren't even mentioned. This is not actual history. It is showing history through a very narrow lens, from the viewpoint of modern feminist ideas. As such, the historical value of this documentary is severely limited.
@GrandMoffTarkinsTeaDispenser5 жыл бұрын
And this video also fails to mention Fabius Maximus condemned every survivor of Cannae to EXILE to sicily for having lost when they doubled the enemy in number, and REFUSED to pay ransom for roman prisoners of the battle, dooming them all. So yeah there are fates much worse.
@JohnSmith-il7jn4 жыл бұрын
I really do dislike Julius Caesar, he was against climate change, was a meat-eater and didn't drive a Prius.
@alanjames197114 жыл бұрын
Yeah he rode a chariot with real horse power.
@SiliconBong4 жыл бұрын
no-one's perfect
@mikewhite39364 жыл бұрын
I heard he voted for Trump.
@craigsteese29324 жыл бұрын
John Smith Thanks for the laugh! I needed that!
@lucianogalan32104 жыл бұрын
Also he didn't respect women's desires to join the legion. That is the worst.
@winzyl95463 жыл бұрын
This is really common not just for the romans. I expected something more from all that dramatic opening.
@justice_crash25214 жыл бұрын
I am starting to lose my trust in this channel or the Smithsonians
@davidk72124 жыл бұрын
Join the club
@thedwightguy4 жыл бұрын
Brits : re=writing history since before the Battle of Hastings???
@BlazingOwnager4 жыл бұрын
@Just thoughts really The events of defeat and this capital punishment literally were not linked at all.
@colossalbreacker4 жыл бұрын
I like how they managed to draw out something that could have been described in a few sentences to 3:45 seconds of drawn out suspenseful narration.
@vornadopro65023 жыл бұрын
Kwaringe
@GrandMoffTarkinsTeaDispenser5 жыл бұрын
I am educated on the subject of the roman republic and the second punic war and I wish this channel would present this information with rigour and not in a dramatized way to obtain a reaction from a modern spectator unfamiliar with the subject of the video or roman society.
@righttorecord35385 жыл бұрын
If they did it your way nobody would watch the program.
@ATtravel6665 жыл бұрын
@@righttorecord3538 You don't have to dumb it down or go over the top for it to be interesting. Some of my favourite childhood TV memories were from a history documentary series made by the BBC called Chronicle. Those sparked off my love for history. They gave the information without the overly dramatic crap that you tend to see today. I sometimes find 'popular' history shows to be quite patronising.
@LiterallyGod4 жыл бұрын
I agree but I also understand dramatizing draws a different and additional type of viewer
@boomboone474 жыл бұрын
Anthony Thomas, I thinking remember that series.
@mattchacon50654 жыл бұрын
I’d recommend the channel invicta or lyndibeige to help you understand as both channels delve into both subjects with a lot of effort
@danpierce88624 жыл бұрын
I love how they associate masculinity with 10 year old brides and mythical rapes. Makes you wonder why they word it like that.
@Tonixxy5 жыл бұрын
But hey, it worked. Hannibal failed and they burned Carthage to the ground.
@tobywallis14125 жыл бұрын
Liverpool 11 15th Century. And arguably from at least the 13th Century the “Roman” Empire was in no way Roman other than in name and location. After 1071, the Romans achieved no great victories and entered a slope of no return.
@fransbuijs8085 жыл бұрын
Hannibal would have failed anyway. His goal was to have Rome's allies turn against the Empire and they didn't.
@UgandanAirForce5 жыл бұрын
if only Hannibal had siege equipment
@jonz20475 жыл бұрын
@@fransbuijs808 I think there was a fair chance Hannibal could have attacked and sacked Rome after Cannae. Great as he was, Hannibal hesitated, and I think his fellow generals regretted it. But you're right Hannibal could not turn enough allies against Rome.
@kennykeating52435 жыл бұрын
Let's bring back ritual sacrifice 2019
@stephenwood66635 жыл бұрын
Cannae also led to the raising of two legions of Volones - slave volunteers, who were promised their freedom if they fought bravely. Rome was naturally wary of the idea of slave rebellion, and with good reason: it was something they'd have to face multiple times over the course of their history. It's hard to overstate the sheer stubborn determination of the Senate to drive back Hannibal, but the Volones were a vivid sign of that resolution.
@ceilconstante78134 жыл бұрын
Sometimes we get the romantic notion of how cool it would have been to lived in past eras but the reality is harsh.
@utubecorporatetroll5 жыл бұрын
No mention of what happened on the battlefield after the loss. 1 out of 10 men of every poorly performing unit was stoned to death. Otherwise known as decimation.
@anonamouse27804 жыл бұрын
utubecorporatetroll sources? I thought this was when treason was suspected.
@nima47974 жыл бұрын
@@anonamouse2780 search it up yourself there are plenty online
@wufongtanwufong55794 жыл бұрын
@Anon Amouse Decimation was only used when a legion broke ranks and ran away from a battle. It wasn't done just because they lost a battle or treason. Although fleeing a battle was considered as betraying Rome amongst other things. So i suppose treason was involved
@heliotropezzz3334 жыл бұрын
Decimation often involved one in 10 soldiers being killed by their fellow soldiers. The soldiers were forced to do it.
@dgerdi3 жыл бұрын
Nah - that’s a punishment for men. Feminists don’t care about this stuff, so they didn’t cover this.
@vikingdion31745 жыл бұрын
I was expecting something horrific like every tenth man from the survivors be beaten by his comrades or more blood sports with the defeated soldiers but this as bad as it seems is not that bad. The whole video had an feeling of trying to pin this victim as a pawn in a mans world, like men against woman, where it really was the nobles against the peasants and common folk. What a let down
@jonz20475 жыл бұрын
I think it was Romans being terrified Hannibal was taking over and Roman custom must be followed so that cohesion among all Romans-- nobles and commons-- in the face of imminent danger is held firm. The vestal virgin seemed to break the custom at exactly the worst possible moment and get caught. The other vestal virgin accused of the same offense at the same time committed suicide.
@worsethanjoerogan80615 жыл бұрын
@@jonz2047 If I thought Hannibal was coming to sack my city I might have done the same thing she did
@documentationslave3975 жыл бұрын
Survivors??? What survivors. Oh the mercenary cavalry which didn't even return to Rome? oof
@a.t.c.38622 жыл бұрын
Exactly.
@oildrum29533 жыл бұрын
"It's an appalling measure" >Oh wow. Who knew people from ancient period were like this. Nobody expected that!
@persistentapparartionkitty58303 жыл бұрын
Watch a solar flare take out the power grid and society will rediscover what Humans are really like without Smart Phones to pacify em.
@kellyj56104 жыл бұрын
And here I thought she was going to talk about Decimation in the Roman Army.
@deino1174 жыл бұрын
The Carthaginians, on the other hand - in addition to practicing child sacrifice on a regular basis - had a tendency to execute generals who lost battles. Plenty of brutality to go around.
@ClodiusP4 жыл бұрын
Indeed. Crucifixion was a Carthaginian punishment the Romans picked up.
@carlomariaromano43203 жыл бұрын
@@ClodiusP Romans "perfected crucifixion" and turned into a mass punishment. They were the crucifixion experts.
@ClodiusP3 жыл бұрын
@@carlomariaromano4320 Contrary to popular opinion, and what Hollywood would have us believe, capital punishment was quite rare in the era of the Republic. There are of course famous incidents of it being carried out. E.g Sulla's execution of prisoners at the Colline gate, and Crassus' mass execution (by crucifixion) of the Spartacan rebellion (about 5000 on the Appian way).
@trinitytwo149925 жыл бұрын
You can tell how civilized a society is by the way they treat their women.
@levievans29644 жыл бұрын
neo-feminists seething in this comment section
@jasonmartin47753 жыл бұрын
Do you cheer on human burials?
@bendover96203 жыл бұрын
@@jasonmartin4775 I do. Not just live ones. How else will we bury the dead?
@annwe63 жыл бұрын
@@bendover9620 Cremation... or left out for the birds
@chickengenius42023 жыл бұрын
@@jasonmartin4775 only when it’s necessary
@Raoul21225 жыл бұрын
Bad documentary. Please just report facts, we are not interested in your personal judgement of Roman society
@GrandMoffTarkinsTeaDispenser5 жыл бұрын
Yes indeed, I fear the childish reporting of everything nowadays. They have to insist on how evil the romans are just in case the spectators think someone who just reports the facts is siding with them.
@fransbuijs8085 жыл бұрын
@@GrandMoffTarkinsTeaDispenser And to make the story exciting.
@hoatattis72834 жыл бұрын
I am, so shut the cake hole. This historian knows more about the Med than you my friend . If you don't like it go and get a book
@ExVeritateLibertas4 жыл бұрын
No scholarship is complete today without a dose of woke feminazi bile.
@britannistanhollandistan244 жыл бұрын
Pseudohistorian at best
@Otter-Destruction5 жыл бұрын
Oh I thought they were going to talk about Decimation.
@jedispartancoolman4 жыл бұрын
It barely happened.
@DowntownDeuce24 жыл бұрын
Me too.
@tryfryingmikejones4 жыл бұрын
one is corporal punishment in an armed forces context the other is governmentality. you are a shallow thinker! do better!
@VatiWah5 жыл бұрын
Let's see... getting killed, along with 50,000 of my fellow brothers in a defeat or having to be married off at a young age. Hmmm.. which seems worse?
@neondiddle20395 жыл бұрын
I think I’d rather fight along side my brothers tbh
@seabrook19765 жыл бұрын
Would you rather be dead or hen-pecked?
@KianoUyMOOP5 жыл бұрын
As I always tell myself whenever the very concept of arranged marriage crosses my mind: kill me first.
@dude87465 жыл бұрын
Their deaths were really truly horrendous just to add. Those in the center of the envelopment had to wait for hours awaiting to be cut down, while unable to move barely a foot in any direction. Some - perhaps going mad - just buried their heads in the ground and suffocated themselves rather than to live through the experience any further. In short, in this case, I would take marriage and hope for the best.
@t.c.4945 жыл бұрын
Shhh, don't ruin their propaganda!
@randomuser61753 жыл бұрын
- We have lost the battle of Cannae! What should we do? - Bury a priestess alive duhhh!!!
@unknownchannel31414 жыл бұрын
Nothing about the man's lover who was whipped to death.
@adams25584 жыл бұрын
Please respect wamen
@ExVeritateLibertas4 жыл бұрын
Men's lives don't matter. Especially old white men's. And these were really, really old white men. 70k casualties at Cannae. Just a minor detail.
@adams25584 жыл бұрын
@@ExVeritateLibertas please respect wamen
@Seek18784 жыл бұрын
What man's lover?
@nima47974 жыл бұрын
@@Seek1878 ur mom
@overman65635 жыл бұрын
It's only one women. 80,000 Roman men perished.
@GrandMoffTarkinsTeaDispenser5 жыл бұрын
Rome lost like a quarter of it's adult male population during the second punic war let that sink in.
@GrandMoffTarkinsTeaDispenser5 жыл бұрын
Sorry dear troll I never said that.
@mathewkanapilly7965 жыл бұрын
Grand Moff Tarkin cool Carthage lost all of their lives 300000 in total along with their empire forever to the wind id say that’s worse than the Roman loses oh and their city was razed from existence
@GrandMoffTarkinsTeaDispenser5 жыл бұрын
Hmmm that was the third punic war and we are talking Cannae so...
@mathewkanapilly7965 жыл бұрын
Grand Moff Tarkin ya which took place pretty much right after they’re grouped together for a reason
@marcmonnerat48505 жыл бұрын
The battle of Cannae was only the last of a series of defeat (Ticinus, Trebia, Lake Trasimene). One-fifth of Rome's adult male population has been wiped off in under two years by Hannibal.
@Unnatural095 жыл бұрын
Scapegoating just as people have been doing for generations
@2fluffs5 жыл бұрын
Women and children are always the target.
@hoosierhiver5 жыл бұрын
Lock her up!
@lv76035 жыл бұрын
Sadly self serving till the end.
@Unnatural095 жыл бұрын
Also as this also explains why many Christians were prosecuted by Romans. As it's easier to blame the problems of the empire to a "cult" during those times.
@hpensive5 жыл бұрын
They made it seem like this was new or something, it's an example of how archaic the spirituality of the Roman's were, despite technological fortitude. Sound familiar anyone?
@brianfoley43285 жыл бұрын
Well, before you fall for this revisionist history...read other historians. The Romes did commit "human sacrifice" after the losses at Cannae, there are many historical accounts, but the mistake here is in the interpretation....the sacrifices were related to the prophesies of the Sybil and were recognized at the time as being dramatic and unusual, but due to the circumstances, necessary.
@GrandMoffTarkinsTeaDispenser5 жыл бұрын
Wow at last someone educated on the subject thank you Trish.
@armandosaldanamora98215 жыл бұрын
I'd suggest that somebody at the Smithsonian would read a Greek tragedy (or a history book) before posting a video as misinformed as this.
@yanniskarageorgiou35735 жыл бұрын
Why this is between Carthage and Rome? Also they did it and won so no problem.
@DarkMatterX15 жыл бұрын
Pop history bullshit with a feminist twist. That's what this video is.
@yanniskarageorgiou35735 жыл бұрын
@@DarkMatterX1 Historically accurate they just didn't mention how her lover was whipped to death or how 80,000 men died.
@DarkMatterX15 жыл бұрын
@@yanniskarageorgiou3573 It's not even really historically accurate. They omit numerous details. They lead those who don't know roman society, history or culture to think this was a one time affair ordered by Fabius. This was the law. Then they go on to whine about aching machismo. This is tripe.
@tenarzatuanu37384 жыл бұрын
@FBI you clearly don't know much. Romans occasionaly would sacrifice for example a pair of foreign slaves. It happens few times in the history and is well documented.
@yetidynamics5 жыл бұрын
isn't superstition just a wonderful thing?? /s
@ajmittendorf3 жыл бұрын
Superstition is hideous, yes, but religion, itself, is still important. I say this only because some people see superstition and religion as one. I do not, and ridding ourselves of religion in the name of ridding ourselves of superstition would be a prime example of "throwing out the baby with the bathwater," if you'll please pardon the cliche.
@jerometaperman71023 жыл бұрын
@@ajmittendorf - No, there is no difference between superstition and religion. In both cases people go through inane rituals in a futile attempt to improve their lot.
@ajmittendorf3 жыл бұрын
@@jerometaperman7102 I hold that you're wrong, and there is no changing my mind.
@jerometaperman71023 жыл бұрын
@@ajmittendorf - You are certainly within your rights to believe what you want. The same is true for me but I tell you that I could change my mind if I were presented with good evidence. I believe none of the dozens of stories that have been put before me, and I am aware that there are hundreds besides those, for the simple reason that they are are equally empty, devoid of proof. There is nothing to cause a thinking person to choose one over another but, more than that, there is nothing to suggest that ANY of them are real.
@ajmittendorf3 жыл бұрын
@@jerometaperman7102 If I shared a link for a video, would you give it a watch?
@t.c.4945 жыл бұрын
Romans believed (the vestal virgin included) that things had to be done a certain way to find favour the gods, or they would be punished. Any vestal virgin that broke their vow was demonstrating that she was willing to risk the vengeance of the gods for personal pleasure. A punishment not only on themselves, but everyone. Even if it isn't the case, if you believe your actions will bring about harm to others and you continue you are guilty. Remember the experiment where people were told to electrically shock someone in the next room? Even if the people were not being shocked, the people pushing the button thought they were and were therefore guilty. This video shows an inability to think critically, and is grossly biased.
@adamhonestyanddecency50544 жыл бұрын
I’m more focused on the fact that the Romans couldn’t think critically, vis a vis religion.
@ltmundy11644 жыл бұрын
Millgram experiment.
@Oppeldeldoc15 жыл бұрын
Banning public mourning during a war sounds a lot like banning FOOTAGE of the wrong kind during a war, which this country's government has tried to do many times. (Unfortunately the news networks cooperate with that idea a lot of the time.)
@shotforshot59835 жыл бұрын
Without that, the Japanese and the Nazis might have wrested control of the entire globe.... i suggest you take a broader look.
@finddeniro5 жыл бұрын
No Report on Enemy Killed..MIAs... . .WW4 next on dance card...
@maybeiam33675 жыл бұрын
shot forshot that would have been a good thing.
@Seadog79815 жыл бұрын
@bisquitnspanky trump does not ban any media, he call them on their lies and misinformation. Sometimes he over does the fake news thing but there is a lot of truth in it.
@Oppeldeldoc15 жыл бұрын
@bisquitnspanky When some people (like presidents) talk about "the Vietnam Syndrome," that's often what they're REALLY talking about. Vietnam interfered with the "gung ho" attitude about wars, and "ending the Vietnam Syndrome" really means getting the "gung ho" attitude back.
@Sebanoe5 жыл бұрын
Let's not forget the thousands of men that died in battle or the Colosseum.
@9879SigmundS5 жыл бұрын
Sebanoe, you are not with the program.
@alyssabrianlaube69355 жыл бұрын
It wasn't built until much later 80 ce sorry
@temporaldisplacement5 жыл бұрын
Well there are hundreds of books and documentarys on the battles Rome fought ...here's a story of civillian barbarism following millitary loss and you cry "Who will think of the poor soldiers" ...STFU ...really.
@vikingdion31745 жыл бұрын
ALYSSA L haha right? gladiators is what he must have meant, however, blood sports amongst slaves and volunteers had happened well before the construction of the colosseum, his point is partially justified.
@Amateur_Pianist_4725 жыл бұрын
Sebanoe and who forgets that? It’s a topic that’s repeated over and over. Then when there just one, just one story on women who were murdered, there’s always a ‘think of the men’ comment. At least soldiers and gladiators were given weapons to defend themselves. This was an execution not a competition.
@ciaran55883 жыл бұрын
"The Romans thought burying a woman alive would purify the state". Husbands all over the country going to the shed for their shovels thinking, "now why didn't I think of that?"
@ShaneyElderberry5 жыл бұрын
As cruel as it is to sacrifice an innocent woman, the narrator's voice probably overemphasised the horror to a modern Western audience. We read, not so infrequently, about drones obliterating civilian homes within the Levant by military organisations in the present day.
@Hyperpandas5 жыл бұрын
Rather be hit by a drone than buried alive to die of thirst. They aren't even on comparable levels of agony.
@myoung482815 жыл бұрын
And the intent of drone bombing is similar to the sacrifice of that poor girl in Rome, lol.
@folbykleetwood74625 жыл бұрын
@@myoung48281 not really
@Slayer1199885 жыл бұрын
mark y no, the intent of drone bombings are kill orders aimed at targeted individuals suspected of terrorist or paramilitary activity. But the result is similar to the roman girl, because innocent civilians are caught in the crossfire of something they had nothing to do with, and didn't cause. Drones give us an advantage because they then don't risk a human life sending it into battle. They shouldn't squander that advantage by killing civilians with a sloppy and uncoordinated assault.
@Rspsand075 жыл бұрын
She wasn't "innocent". She broke vows *SHE* made, knowing the exact punishment attributed to it.
@bigpaulie8065 жыл бұрын
It's amazing how much history is still standing
@leomes4 жыл бұрын
Judging history by present-day standards is one of the most idiotic things one can do.
@s05150334 жыл бұрын
We can say it is bad by ours standards. That's how ethics works. It's universally applicable and objective.
@Tetemovies44 жыл бұрын
@@s0515033 "by our standards" is literally the opposite of "objective"
@abbygale420guin25 жыл бұрын
" I'll give you something to cry about "
@JohnnyAngel84 жыл бұрын
LOL!
@vincentwinkleblech36144 жыл бұрын
Cannae was a year after lake Trasimene. 2 HUGE losses in a year or so must have been terrifying for Rome !
@wejie4 жыл бұрын
I wish she spoke with a clear voice rather than trying to emotionalize her narration.
@EatAtJoes5 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this obviously agenda-free history lesson, Smithsonian. FFS...
@Seek18784 жыл бұрын
Show us on the doll where it hurt you.
@RobertEWaters4 жыл бұрын
Those in this thread who think that the vestal's fate was "mild" should try going without water for a day or two. I think they'd change their minds.
@PiperTMTotalWar3 жыл бұрын
Hannibal's brilliance crushed Rome at Cannae.
@ElementofKindness4 жыл бұрын
Wow Smithsonian. Way to twist history, to get clicks.
@starguy27182 жыл бұрын
The Smithsonian is "woke", as if you didn't already know that.
@yuenhai5 жыл бұрын
But the sacrifice sort of worked, didn't it They did turn the war around and won
@petergray27125 жыл бұрын
Hannibal didn't have a siege train. He could threaten a Latin city with economic ruin by destroying crops, but he couldn't besiege or storm them. Basically he dicked around Italy for years because he could only tie up Roman troops that would otherwise be employed against Carthage, and he extorted money from Roman settlements to keep paying for his army. Cannae was a major defeat for the Romans, but the strategic situation wasn't altered by the loss
@xxxdieselyyy25 жыл бұрын
@@petergray2712 Hannibal sorta relied on mercenaries. They we're expecting daily or frequent payout. When Romans figured this out, they just sorta waited em out built forts in barren passes etc that would take long time to besiege, had little gold for loot and frustrate Hannibal's mercs who were in it for the glory of loot. While this was being figured out the common public needed a reason they can understand and hence this sacrifice.
@eamonnprunty5 жыл бұрын
Vlodec good one😂😂
@nlabanok5 жыл бұрын
Oh lord, it is asinine to suggest the sacrifice "sorta worked"....that Rome ultimately prevailed had ZERO to do with the sacrifice. That these 2 events coincided is called precisely that -- a coincidence. If you're having trouble understanding this then also refer to a principle in statistics that correlation of 2 events does not equal causation between them.
@nlabanok5 жыл бұрын
@Vlodec Are you acquainted with the principle of "I wasn't responding to YOUR comment"....if I had been, then I'd have done precisely that...by clicking the reply button underneath YOUR comment like I'm doing now...but instead I replied to the original commenter (Val) who appears to be at least marginally serious with his silly comment that it "sorta worked, didn't it".
@boomerman11005 жыл бұрын
I remember scripture regarding a woman who similarly committed adultery and was to be stoned to death. Jesus, nearby, says to the crowd, "Let he among you who has not sinned cast the first stone." And one by one, beginning with the eldest, they depart.
@Seek18784 жыл бұрын
Then a stone flew out of nowhere and hit Jesus on the side of the head. Holding his head, Jesus looks around and yells: "OH COME ON MOM!"
@Chebab-Chebab3 жыл бұрын
Buried alive. Introverts: Yes, please.
@ENiceGeo5 жыл бұрын
You know what's missing here? No mention that ritual sacrifice to appease the gods was something practiced by other ancient empires as well.
@feereel4 жыл бұрын
?????? human sacrifice was mentioned in the bible by pretty much every culture mentioned including the israelites...it was very common in the middle east and europe until around the 18th century
@jackraven23475 жыл бұрын
I mean, they won at Zama, it must've worked for something.
@Sardonac5 жыл бұрын
That doesn't follow.
@thebasedspectre30483 жыл бұрын
@@Sardonac does it not?
@Sardonac3 жыл бұрын
@@thebasedspectre3048 Nope.
@thebasedspectre30483 жыл бұрын
@@Sardonac YES
@casienwhey3 жыл бұрын
One of history's greatest "what ifs" What if Hannibal had besieged Rome after his victory at Cannae?
@clintonramos23933 жыл бұрын
He would lost lol, The correct "what ifs" is what if Carthage had sent reinforcements or what if the neighbouring tribes rose up against Rome.
@starguy27182 жыл бұрын
@@clintonramos2393 How would Hannibal have lost? The Roman army had just been destroyed, and there was just the home garrison, to defend the city, from Hannibal's army.
@crystalglass71063 жыл бұрын
Citizen: They shove a living snake up your @$$" Roman Senator: no but, very creative"
@mrzed23495 жыл бұрын
Bettany gained some serious weight
@detectivefowler41355 жыл бұрын
She got huge tittays!! 😀
@podsmpsg15 жыл бұрын
Their ego was bruised, that's all. They thought they were invincible.
@DipsyMum295 жыл бұрын
STEVE P and yet again a woman had to pay the price.
@podsmpsg15 жыл бұрын
DipsyMum29 they believed non-Romans were inferior.
@manawa38325 жыл бұрын
@Vlodec Cody Tweloeki from North Pine Pennsylvania and leading expert on da mUsLiMs is here with us today
@Tetemovies44 жыл бұрын
They lost a quarter of their male population but yeah it's just "Their ego was bruised, that's all." I'd love to ear your take on WW1, it must be brilliant.
@Tetemovies44 жыл бұрын
@@DipsyMum29 Thousand of men die to protect Rome from a hord of rapists and murderers and a cheating priestress and her lover both get executed but somehow you find a way to make it about feminism, well done.
@Zamolxes774 жыл бұрын
To put things in perspective, romans lost MORE soldiers at Cannae ... than GB did in the 1st day of the Battle of the Somme ! That's guys with swords, javelins and rocks (slingers) killing MORE people than machineguns, rifles and artillery shells. Tech level being somewhat even, is about skill of the commander and his soldiers.
@davidk72124 жыл бұрын
History saw people boiled alive, people burned alive, people skinned alive, people baked alive, people eaten alive, people held down while their lungs were ripped out, men hung up by their testicles until they tore off, peopled lowered onto the Judas Chair, people hung upside down and sawed in half, etc. Being walled up in a room to die of thirst is almost merciful by the standards of the day. Now if she was genuinely buried alive in a tight coffin, against her will, that would be different because the terror factor would be incomprehensible.
@danielplainview23604 жыл бұрын
An even more horrific way would be to force people to watch the Smithsonian Channel 24/7. Clockwork Orange style.
@teslagirl15 жыл бұрын
I question whether this woman actually broke her vow. Like other embattled governments in other times, the supposed crime and its horrific punishment may simply have been a way of distracting the populace, reassuring the frightened and forestalling unrest.
@andychauhan65445 жыл бұрын
All that and passing the buck.
@teslagirl15 жыл бұрын
@Natasel Not that she is a lone woman, but that the government would choose to do THIS for reasons that may have had nothing to do with this woman. Certainly it would not have been the first or last time a woman was sacrificed to political expediency. Usually following a show trial. There were other things they could have done if unifying the populace and making them feel right with the Gods were their only aim. Even a few constructive things. But they pacified and entertained their citizens (and presumably the gods) with the spectacle of a frightened girl going to a very dark and very slow death. I would feel the same way if it were a man whose death were used for political reasons.
@teslagirl15 жыл бұрын
@bisquitnspanky Great thumbnail, beautiful little dog. But unless you appreciate Tacitus and would like to discuss the psychology of power politics as it relates to situations such as this one, I'm afraid your charming conversational opening will just have to be wasted.
@vguyver25 жыл бұрын
More likely than anything, someone made the accusation, and she was immediately found guilty. Even if she wasn't a virgin, it wouldn't be too surprising if the interrogator raped her just to make sure the Roman Propaganda to scapegoat her would work.
@iannordin52505 жыл бұрын
@Natasel well those thousands of men were volunteers who died fighting for their nations, the woman was most likely an innocent sentenced to death for political reasons
@Jauhl14 жыл бұрын
Aside from life burial being the proscribed punishment for vestal oath breaking and having nothing to do with Cannae. Fabius Maximus wasn't "Rome's ruler" as such. He had previously been elected dictator after Hannibal's early victories and pursued a war of attrition denying Hannibal the opportunity for crushing battle victories. He became mockingly known as cunctator "the delayer" and many viewed this strategy as cowardice and he was replaced with men who wanted to meet Hannibal mano a mano. They assembled the greatest army Rome by far had ever fielded and met Hannibal at Cannae, where this army was not simply beaten but annihilated. At the news the senate didn't dare to face the people. Instead Fabius Maximus went out to tell them what happened and what needed to be done. Despite not being dictator again, he was now viewed as a the divinely inspired savior of the nation, everything he proposed was immediately adopted with little or no debate.
@steamtorch3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sparking my memory of "Fabian tactics" as they are now called.
@justinscivally29864 жыл бұрын
Shoutout to this professor he was my history teacher in college totally just stumbled upon this video he’s the best
@rbenm4 жыл бұрын
I fought Rome the Republic. Never the Empire
@galidornelkenmeer3 жыл бұрын
K so 70,000 dudes slaughtered and left rotting in the field equals one chick dying of starvation. Got it. That is the thing she is focusing on as "horrific" here.
@magnum82564 жыл бұрын
Ancient people be like "Something bad happened! Better bury people alive for safe "
@paulfaber62274 жыл бұрын
The tactics at the Battle of Cannae 216bc where the Hannibal's Carthaginian army killed 80000 Romans in a day were similar encirclement tactics the Russians used against the Germans at Stalingrad in 1942 to 1943.
@jeffreykalb97524 жыл бұрын
I don't consider Bettany Hughes to be a genuine historian. She was always window dressing. But even drapes get old.
@tonylast91814 жыл бұрын
Correct, she's merely a tv presenter, not a historian. If you want Roman history, check out Mary Beard. She has written books, made documentaries that are factually correct and doesn't overdo it
@carlomariaromano43203 жыл бұрын
@@tonylast9181 Mary Beard is another leftist, PC and feminist historian.
@davidkay73894 жыл бұрын
Rome loses battle, woman most affected
@bestamerica4 жыл бұрын
hi D K... ' thank to strong vikings destroyed the romes
@thestart54244 жыл бұрын
Bro 1/5th to 2/5th of the adult male population had just died in the battles of canaae and battle before it and other half had to be called to defend the city.
@thebasedspectre30483 жыл бұрын
@@bestamerica no Vikings did exist back then
@Arturo0051003 жыл бұрын
@@thestart5424 yes, but focus on the one woman who was killed, what a brutal society am i right? Its not like it was their law or anything
@erwin6693 жыл бұрын
@@theeternal1766 The Normans were Norse that settled in northern France during the 9th and 10th centuries. The Norse didn't exist at the time of Hannibal's invasion of Italy and wouldn't exist until around the 5th or 6th century AD, so about another 700 years after the Battle of Cannae
@randomobserver81685 жыл бұрын
Roman law was wildly harsh or lenient in ways that don't quite match up to any modern assumptions. They tortured and crucified slaves, war prisoners and some other foreigners, but you could legally do neither to a Roman. [You could illegally do torture in coups and civil wars, if you handled the PR right, but so it goes. Even then, many on your side would call it OTT and desert you.] You could exile citizens from the homeland [though usually to other parts of Italy or provinces], but traditionally not imprison them. They had very different ideas about what offended the body and dignity of a Roman. There were ways you could or could not execute a Roman, too.
@jimgritty70645 жыл бұрын
Hannibal was the man. Don't mess with The 'Bal.
@lowratehitman5 жыл бұрын
cant throw a non virgin into the volcano!!!!!!
@excuzza5 жыл бұрын
4 minutes in one sentence.. “Ancient Rome would bury people alive to appease their gods in times of loss”.
@BlazingOwnager4 жыл бұрын
It's not even true though. They'd bury them alive for reasons unrelated to loss.
@spinmancorner75433 жыл бұрын
And here you can see people, societies, and politics has never changed among mankind...
@Poodle_Gun3 жыл бұрын
Finally, an intelligent comment.
@MM-tw7pu4 жыл бұрын
What about being buried a live as an infant just because their parents didn’t wanna have a baby girl? That is what a number of societies around Asia use to do about 1500 years ago.
@fjb49324 жыл бұрын
M M Why do we ignore China's One Child law a mere 25 years ago ? Now they don't have enough women ...
@FlyxPat4 жыл бұрын
Human sacrifice The charge they leveled at Carthage
@ahmedjebali70654 жыл бұрын
me screaming in my dream 2:19
@swirlcrop3 жыл бұрын
This is scapegoating, pure and simple. This is horrible.
@travisd78884 жыл бұрын
Is this channel a worthwhile channel that provides accurate events?
@hokeywolf34165 жыл бұрын
How about the 80,000 men who died in battle? Wasn't that horrific?
@tom_something5 жыл бұрын
You may not be aware of this, but there are already seven hundred quadrillion documentaries covering that. Pro tip: Google "Rome".
@hokeywolf34165 жыл бұрын
@@tom_something no shit....I was pointing out the comparative battle loss vs. the hosts comments on the sacrifices.
@deanseawa5 жыл бұрын
Is a professor from a Chicago university really the best expert you could find?
@CLASSICALFAN1005 жыл бұрын
People from Chicago think so...lol
@panos6173 жыл бұрын
It's another way : Send Scipio and 15.000 men in Carhege.
@roys88704 жыл бұрын
That is why the Roman Empire, from the republic to the emperors lasted for over a thousand years. The British Empire on the other hand lasted for only about 200 years.
@ruggv62174 жыл бұрын
Don't forget to look at something that happened over 2000 years ago through the lens of today's morals. Don't just state what happened as a fact. Make it tragic and amplify the tragic nature by having a woman narrate what happened to a woman. Also, make sure you state how macho the society was and make it sound like a bad thing (not taking into consideration the time in history).
@ajmittendorf4 жыл бұрын
Very little difference between this sacrifice and abortion today. The face is different, but the people, then and now, are the same.
@carlomariaromano43203 жыл бұрын
Double standard and self-righteous hypocrisy.
@lomelyo3 жыл бұрын
Romans rarely practiced human sacrifice. In fact, they hated it and knew it made them savages. Cannae was an exception out of desperation because it was their third devastating loss by Hannibal.
@tarn11354 жыл бұрын
Love it that modern people still judge the past by those same modern standards. The comment just below explains this better.
@rodrikofharlaw68485 жыл бұрын
I'd like to point out that this is the last time Rome ever committed ritual sacrifice of people. And even before Hannibal's rektoning they'd been phasing out the practice much like the Greek had hundreds of years before.
@naevia90103 жыл бұрын
Don't tell that to all the people who died in the arena to honor the gods and appease the masses
@rodrikofharlaw68483 жыл бұрын
@@naevia9010 Thats way different than ritual sacrifice
@randomobserver81685 жыл бұрын
Strictly speaking all they did was sentence an oath-breaker who had held a vital position of the state to death. Not at all unheard of in the classical world. The impulse survived the millennia, to be sure. Why add the melodrama just because it was a woman? The Vestals wielded considerable social and political power and knew the terms of their offices included maintaining a strict reputation.
@brucewayne38925 жыл бұрын
"a horrific fate"... Bitch please, I can think of 100 things off the top of my head that has happened to people WAY worse than this.
@cheahlionel89255 жыл бұрын
Modern Italy: It's a me Mussolini?
@absurdengine85024 жыл бұрын
Thousands of Rome's men died in combat: A Wartime Loss One woman buried alive: Horrific
@colossalbreacker4 жыл бұрын
well that wasn't very WOKE Rome . . .
@juslangley5 жыл бұрын
What practice is common and accepted today that people in a thousand years might find appalling?
@nggaknormal5 жыл бұрын
You know if we talk about cannae aftermath there are more things done than just burying a girl alive
@worsethanjoerogan80615 жыл бұрын
Before calling Rome patriarchal you should look up the punishment for a man getting caught with a Vestal. It involves severing his dangly bits
@lmjesus21925 жыл бұрын
Shhhh they have a narrative to push here. We can't have a balanced out look on history now can we?
@alcd63334 жыл бұрын
This lady barely speaks above a whisper and her narration is lousy. In effect, an interesting historical topic is ruined.
@thedwightguy4 жыл бұрын
the USA has millions of students graduating with a degree in Speech Communication, and yet Uboob, CNN ATLANTA, usa, and Aussie Rupert Murdoch seems to try to find Brits. who 'chop" their words off, run them together, and have bad enough "Kings' English" to need SUBTITLES like their movie "Trainsportting". What's THAT all about???
@Chrisjude1004 жыл бұрын
I am British, and my mother taught me to speak clearly. My diction is Yorkshire accented, yes, but understandable wherever English is spoken. I get compliments on this all the time, and I find it worthwhile. Today, it seems that you should be ashamed of avoiding glottal stops (warhuh, bohul) and the innits and wonnits, in what is now called Estuary English.
@naevia90103 жыл бұрын
This type of execution absolutely is horrible, but this was not the only way Rome dealt with wartime loss, nor was it the most gruesome. Just off the top of my head, I think that having prisoners of war eaten alive by predators, slaves fighting each other to the death in the arena, public tortures and executions, mass crucifixions, and genocides, all to distract the population from wartime anxiety were drastic, cruel, and appalling measures as well. Ones that had a bounty count of dozens of thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) from the beginning of the republic to the end of the empire.
@Dr.Pepper0014 жыл бұрын
When the Papacy became the ruling power in Rome, they were more horrific than the Ceasars had been.