The HUGE consequences of removing VAR from the Premier League | Back Pages Tonight

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Back Pages Tonight with David Orsntein and John Cross discuss the VAR removal vote in June, with David Ornstein providing exclusive context after being the one to break the news, Manchester United's win and Chelsea's last minute sprint for a European spot next year.
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[@TPCDAZ]

David Orsntein is incorrect. Goal Line technology was around before VAR. It's linked to the refs watch which buzzes when the ball crosses the line. He's for some reason scaremongering here.

[@TyrellMunson]

I thought Goal Line Technology was separate to VAR so would remain......

[@scifimonkey3]

It is and I don’t think Wolves are opposing either that or the automated offside. It’s the 2nd refs opinion that they object to. The only losers are the execs at the Premier league and the long business lunch gravy train with the VAR tech companies.

[@gavriloking5637]

it is and this fool needs to know that voting out VAR would NOT mean getting rid of ALL technology, including potential new aids like automated offside.

[@TyrellMunson]

@@scifimonkey3 Sure..I guess Orsntein misspoke or has no idea what he's talking about!

[@shaunwilliams846]

Everyone is missing the point. I hate VAR with a passion, but it's not because of any errors. It destroys the match going experience, people are really considering giving up their season tickets because VAR has literally attacked the very essence of the game - spontaneous joy, a quick look at the linesman, then absolute limbs. This is what TV fans are missing, it goes right to reason why the 'product' has been successful.

[@Jinx-ig1fz]

It's not the technology. It is the referees who are still sub par. Also the players simulate all the time and everyone knows it and call it the dark arts. We've all seen it and it happens to all clubs.

[@gavriloking5637]

5:51 This argument makes ZERO sense and the talking head provides NO evidence for why it would be a disadvantage in European competition for English clubs to not use VAR in their domestic leagues. Stupidity at its finest folks ~

[@esiriokoro7976]

English clubs would be operating on 2 different rules.That will definitely not help them

[@bencox2761]

Garbage argument.... players know how to play football, understand the offside rule.. absolutely NO disadvantage 🙄 SCRAP IT.

[@Di-Genius]

SCRAP IT!! Bring back the spectacle! the human errors! the pure joy of celebrating a goal.

[@imo098765]

bring back human errors. isnt that exactly what VAR is doing right now but the most blatant of errors are at least caught

[@tinsaederesse9173]

Amen

[@matttompkin2873]

Just have offside and goal line technology, and that's it 😅 simple

[@imo098765]

also red cards and diving cheats

[@scifimonkey3]

If it was put to a fan or player vote then VAR would go but there is no reason why the goal line and offside technology cannot be used WITHOUT the VAR analysis at Shockley park. Why should using or not using VAR affect the clubs in europe? Are you saying that teams play differently if there is VAR? The premier leagues stats assumes that all the panels analysis of PGMOL is valid. I’m sorry but in many cases they have defended the indefensible and that means that the % is way lower than 96% FANS OF ALL CLUBS- LOBBY YOUR CLUB TO VOTE AGAINST VAR! LETS HAVE SOME ENTHUSIASTIC CHANTING IN THE STANDS ON SUNDAY TO GET THE FANS VIEW HEARD.

[@_A7X]

Without VAR, Haaland will feast on these preys 😂😂

[@davidmurphy7332]

Play the audio from VAR live, pipe it into the stadiums and use it in the broadcast - they do it in rugby and cricket, at least for broadcasting. Just watch how much more consistent and competent VAR becomes when they know fans are listening

[@slashssnakepit4444]

It’s good in theory, but we’ve all see Dermot Gallagher on Skysports and his mates in VAR would be no different. They don’t feel they have to explain anything to us fans. They make the decision and we just have to accept it. How many times this season alone have we seen a penalty in one game then no penalty for the exact same thing? Only for Gallagher to tell us on Monday that “it’s all subjective”

[@tomneile4025]

Why is no one addressing the elephant in the room? If you get rid of "official" VAR, you're left with "unofficial" VAR: Broadcasters will replay every close or questionable action from various angles, use slow motion and stop motion, and pundits will still rail about the injustice of all of those missed calls. Except without VAR, the refs won't be able to rectify anything. The controversies and the supposed unfairness will still happen, and the video evidence will still be shown after the fact. But no one will be able to do anything about it but complain. Wanna get rid of VAR? Stop allowing broadcasters access to multiple slow-mo replays. It's that technology and the post-match post-mortems that made VAR a necessary evil. Scrapping it won't do anything but make it worse for everyone. Wanna ref it in real time only? Broadcast it in real time only, just like the viewers are experiencing it at the match.

[@AnthonyBrown12324]

exactly

[@_A7X]

No VAR means Haaland, Isak and if Oshimen makes it prem, they'd haunt defenses

[@davewood1982]

Newsflash! We've been using it for nearly 6 damn years now it SHOULD be near perfect now! If they can't get it right after 6yrs then they never will! GET RID The fact that you can’t celebrate a goal properly without that doubt in your mind is the real killer. It’s the most joyous thing in football and it’s been taken away.

[@jamesmichaels4979]

Keep var, but give accountability to those who screw up on it

[@jbbresers]

It works great in other leagues. The problem is the referees in the Premier League aren't fit for the third division in Slovakia. Scrapping VAR won't make the clowns any better at their job, it's just easier to excuse when they only get one chance to look at it.

[@TPCDAZ]

No it doesn't. It just doesn't get challenged in those leagues.

[@major84.]

How about put it to the fans, we never wanted it, never asked for it but despite it ruining the game we are forced to have it, get rid

[@stanadams5541]

Having watched many European games this season and seen how the refereeing and VAR decisions and the speed of the decisions rates compared to this seasons premier league the conclusion is an obvious one THE ENGLISH REFEREES AND VAR OPERATORS ARE SIMPLY SUB STANDARD and when people like Mike Dean admits to deliberately ignoring an error Highlighted by VAR or Lee Dixon admits to forgetting to draw the offside lines in an important game THEN THAT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF ! ITS NOT VAR IT IS THE PEOPLE OPERATING IT THAT NEEDS TO GO !!!

[@MKLDNGR]

The problem is not var, it’s the incompetent people operating it. But if you want to scrap it, at least implement automated offside technology and give the option to the referee to look at the screen for the difficult decisions if he’s not sure.

[@lulamabowdenmagwa6803]

People will remember the VAR as soon as your team loses to an offside goal😂😂😂

[@joaminow6943]

The problem is the same on the field or with VAR. You need to hold the referees accountable for their crappy decisions. Put in a system for relegating the bottom referees and cut their pay.

[@ginomoujik8488]

Different ref firms vying for seasonal contracts is the way forward. So Howard Webb and his group can compete with competent referees and might have a chance to win Conference South contract one day..

[@garyh1572]

I wish Chelsea could cut the pay of Nicholas Jackson.

[@ejiroighorodje1891]

What i can see is the more VAR makes the decision more correct, the more people want it to be even more perfect.

[@paulhanson5164]

Don't scrap it, change it. Let the Ref run the game, make VAR a tool for managers to call for a review if they know a clear error has been made. To stop it being abused allow them no more than 3 calls a game and if they regularly make calls that are clearly just time wasting then they lose their right to call for VAR reviews the following week.

[@FredericFreedom]

Agreed

[@juvwon]

An incompetent worker will always blame their tools. Video Assistance Technology is a blessing to football, those put in charge of using it, are either incompetent or corrupt or both. They are the ones to be reviewed and held accountable.

[@lewisdirienzo201]

Get rid now

[@nicoswann]

They also need to scrap the rule that they cannot change their minds and stop a game if they were wrong.

[@Johno731]

NUFC V PSG 98min penalty in UCL this season was the worst thing I have ever seen in football.

[@tariqomer4678]

Worse than 2010 Lampard? 2009 Barca vs Chelsea? Or Geoff Hurst 1966? Or Real vs Bayern 2018 or even 2018?

[@TPCDAZ]

Worse then Luis Diaz having an entire goal missed? nah

[@simonoliver8576]

​​@@tariqomer4678it was worse for him because I guess he supports newcastle united 🤔 like you say with the examples you have given there was plenty of controversial decisions before var and that would still be the case even if they get rid of it which I dont think they will personally 🤔

[@Johno731]

Considering the Psg owner and Fifa president were sat holding hands watching the game and when PSG and the UCL poster boy KM7 were about to be dumped out by little old nufc in the group stages in 98th min from a ricochet ball which hits the nufc RB on the underside of his elbow, the best rated ref in the game gets called to the monitor and told its a penalty, its our call, give it, its corruption beyond any doubt and the day for me Football for the little guy ended because of VAR.

[@simonoliver8576]

@@TPCDAZ well as a liverpool fan m8 I would completly agree with you on that one actually🤣 I mean they literally said within hours of the conclusion of that match it was the incorrect decision so yes thats the clear standout in recent times for sure I think the newcastle one vs psg was harsh aswell tho I think it was a penalty for psg for handball 🤔

[@noahide7256]

The huge consequences of corruption is half empty stadiums, job lay offs in all aspect of the infected institutions....spend quality time with your kids in a better environment.

[@softdoc631]

Finally, someone said it. The real problem is the incompetent referees and not the technology. How blind can they be to see that?

[@17Gron]

No, the problem is VAR as a whole! It ruins the game, and the joy of football

[@TPCDAZ]

They are one in the same. It's like saying "Hey, that car didn't run that guy over, the driver did" you're right. But the car wont work without the driver.

[@Batasz]

@@TPCDAZ The problem was not a car but a dumb driver.

[@markygray]

Without VAR football will actually be worth watching again

[@TheFringeOfKuryakin]

Goal line technology is separate from VAR. The Wolves argument will fail but hopefully they get 12-13 votes and give the powers that be a scare to get the technology and communication right. Unfortunately goal celebrations will never be the same again.

[@sanmateoflights]

Without VAR, football would be fun again, and we can celebrate goals like before. Referees will always make mistakes, so let us get rid of VAR.

[@acemant1]

GET RID!

[@Razormiller]

The huge consequences will be that football will be much better without it. Itll be back to how it was b4. .... Yes we'll have referring mistakes(have those with VAR... ask Anthony Gordon). Yes we'ill have the usual fans whining about not having VAR/about refs/conspiracies etc(have those complaints with VAR). But we will be able to celebrate goals again, the game wont be constantly slowed up for VAR decisions(not always right ones) and we can stop the non-stop talking about VAR. I hate VAR. Football was way better without it. Bin it.

[@tariqomer4678]

Please scrap it so I can laugh at you guys whining about horrendous decisions every week. This league is great but their local fans are a bunch of jokes and clowns.

[@Razormiller]

@@tariqomer4678 Dont hold your breath. Ive never moaned about refereeing decisions coz, spoiler alert, REFERRING MISTAKES ARE PART OF THE GAME. I loved all the drama and heartbreak that goes with a mistake. Some of the most iconic moments(Maradona handball) are mistakes. I never wanted VAR coz referring mistakes never bothered me. VARs constant stop starting of the game and its delay of the instant celebration of a goal does bother me. The beautiful game was perfect with all its imperfections So yeah, bin it and let us enjoy the mistakes without having to wait 5mins for them!! PS Im not a local clown you clown.

[@tariqomer4678]

@@Razormiller Didn't refer to you as such. You only took it for yourself. Enjoy your mistakes drama while I laugh at PL referees constantly make terrible decisions. Spoiler Alert: Hating VAR is also whining about referee decisions. Enjoy your drama!

[@imo098765]

@@Razormiller "REFERRING MISTAKES ARE PART OF THE GAME." Then shut up and dont complain about VAR, if they are making some mistakes and getting some right

[@Razormiller]

@@imo098765 VAR isnt part of the game. Its NEW. It was brought in TO STOP REFERRING MISTAKES, or hadnt you figured that out? I mean come on, thats the whole point of VAR. If you dont know what youre talking about then dont reply. Thats why people are complaining about it. It hasnt stopped mistakes. It just slows up the game & kills goal celebrations. Thats the problem people have with it. Not that it makes mistakes(we said it would) but that it takes the joy out of game for many. Really shouldnt have to explain all that to you tbh. Derp

[@leazesndr5318]

Anthony Gordon summed it up about VAR yesterday when he said "Get Better or Get rid"

[@marcr660907]

Get rid of VAR it’s Sh1t I am cancelling my sports package in June as I don’t enjoy my football anymore.

[@sydneyigbokwe4362]

VAR is not the problem but its implementation and upgrading on the referee competence

[@KAI-jl1ph]

The problem isn’t VAR. It’s the delay

[@Duncan1974]

How about a vote to scrap Wolves from the Premier League!

[@freddiefreeman4119]

VAR has exposed the bias, it’s there for all to see. Keep it and the SkyBet Premier League and PGMOL can either seal their own fate or clean their act up. All clubs below the top six get a rough deal, some worse than others. It really has been appalling.

[@Gearshift__]

Semi-auto offside technology Goal-line technology And while we're at it mic up the refs like rugby. Bang, done, simple. SCRAP VAR.

[@cal_9256]

The premier league isn't exactly a spectacle if the three clubs that get promoted go straight back down and the same team wins it every year. This season isn't even over and you already know city are going to win next year. I think VAR should go, its just not fit for purpose at this moment in time, and likely isnt going to improve greatly for another 2/3 years at least in the premier league. Not only that but the longer delays and extra minutes might have a link to the amount of injuries across the league.

[@somedaysoonsunshine]

I bet if VAR is scrapped Man City won't win the title next year. Don't look at stats about VAR decisions. See when the decisions are taken and whether it happens at crucial moments in the game and how it affects league positions. I'm holding my breath already for the FA cup final when VAR is lead by Michael Oliver, on the pay roll of City's owner since his last visit to UAE.

[@FredericFreedom]

Agreed!!

[@st.george007]

Put AI in charge of VAR, decisions can be resolved before the on field ref has a doubt.

[@BritishRosie-es3zr]

Without VAR the EPL will have to find another way to contrive games to keep the title going to the last day and the relegation places undecided for as long as possible. They will have to dock more points for financial reasons on specific clubs. (Obviously not City)

[@juanjesusfelipeglez.5979]

With the money that football moves today, any help that reduces the risk of wrong refereeing decisions should be welcomed. There will always be criticism from those who feel harmed if the VAR decisions are not favorable to their interests. But, if these decisions are based on videos, they are impossible to refute. What these "affected" clubs have to do is accept these decisions and reinforce the lines of play where the rival has found errors, so that they do not occur again, and not "cry" like children when they throw a tantrum so that they take heed.

[@AnthonyBrown12324]

It is not just VAR but the rules could be changed . Maybe there should be clear distance between players before giving off side not just because one has a longer arm too many goals ruled out . the main problem is so many times the game is delayed Also we have to keep in step with at least EUFA ,dont want another Brexit please

[@TheYorkshireGeordie]

My 2 year old daughter could see that was a foul on Gordan. Get referees out of VAR and out ex players in their

[@imo098765]

My dog could see that Evans was fouled for the 2nd goal

[@FabulousWanderers]

Everyone knows Var in concept should make the game fair for all. However the amount of wrong decisions which have no accountability or compensation for clubs makes a mockery of Var. Var seems to be used by officials to have more control over the outcome of games. Wolves have had apologies for really poor decisions, the officials say sorry then say they will change things for future games & they do ... Thanks Wolves for helping us make Var better however no compensation will be given. Compensate clubs for the wrong decisions & Var will definitely get used the way it is supposed to be used !

[@Chattannooga]

VAR is crap. Reviewing random moments has changed the game for the worse

[@steviebest-ferreira2657]

Scrap var cos celebrating goals is not fun anymore cant enjoy a goal these dsys

[@NeedforSpeedBadBoys]

yeah there is nothing to celebrate as you have to wait to see the replay if a player's toe was not offside, which is not even visible on replays

[@iRoppa]

Thank you for watching this PGMOL sponsored broadcast.

[@FredericFreedom]

😂

[@ArtSurroundsYouAll]

VAR is the best thing to come into football since its inception, I can't believe that some fans and clubs want to go back to the idea that no technology is used and everything is decided by the on field referee and the linesman. VAR is not the problem is the human element behind it, the video evidence is there its just the bad decisions made by the individuals that's the problem. These fans want to go back to a system where you could leave the match knowing that the referee and linesman made a mistake and a goal was given, or not given, an offside that was or wasn't , a penalty that was or wasn't given, a bad tackle or an off the ball the incident or plain cheating and diving. What will happen the likes of SKY or TNT will be showing video evidence immediately and all the fans in the ground will see it on there phones, fans at home or in the pub will be watching and will spend the game and after knowing they lost because of incorrect decisions which with VAR it would have been seen. All this nonsense about its taking passion and enjoyment out of the game, trust me all those fans and clubs that want it banned, if your club loses a match or misses out on the title by a point, or the top 4, or getting relegated by a point knowing its because of bad decisions made by the officials on the pitch, they will be the first to complain and beg for VAR to come back, guaranteed. The referees and linesman will encounter more abuse and at some point referees will become very short on numbers as no one wants to be put in the position, not to mention some idiot will probably assault an official and that will cause matches to be played behind closed doors.

[@tom11mansfield]

Every problem you listed his literally happened this year lol

[@Taecoconut]

We get to see how crap and lazy our refs really are?

[@andygreene6142]

As if it's gonna get scrapped... the amount of money that's been spent on it... absolutely no chance.

[@TPCDAZ]

it's legally binding is 14 clubs vote for it to go.

[@doxras7502]

You can't take the correct decision stats at face value, considering when they defend the refs it's not consistent one thing that was correct one week given would next weekend be correct not given. So the stats they show could easily be in reverse

[@pabloshicoan5195]

Should only be used for offside

[@gavriloking5637]

that's where the most criminal errors have occured. . .

[@KalunJiaLin]

It isn’t the technology that is the issue. The greatest league in the world has the worst referees in the world as well. Those same referees operate VAR and that’s the issue, not the technology. VAR isn’t bad, it just magnifies the huge incompetencies of the referees.

[@PatKennedydon]

Scrap it, it's destroying football.

[@_A7X]

Meme James

[@brendancroft6822]

Anyone who endorses the use of VAR is not a football fan or has been a football fan for about 5 years. The loss of enjoyment from celebrating goals, the 5 min stoppages, freeze framing on minor issues are not worth it. Especially when it gets decisions wrong. People will accept human error now that they've seen the alternative.

[@ejiroighorodje1891]

VAR perfection is limited by the quality of those that use it. The issue is the human side because the video system doesn't make the decisions, the refs do

[@willmears1111]

VAR has destroyed football. Stop-Start-Stop-Srart over when one footballer has a hair on his leg ahead of the defender. NonSense. Get rid of VAR now. Goal line technology okay but get rid of VAR.

[@imellor711]

VAr runing the game from a fan bais but highlight training and refereeing inconsitancy on the pitch, thats been there for years!!!! For me, don't scrap Var, remove pgmol team as their are unfit. And look at change to improve things, get decisions right and speed things up.

[@adriankearney4850]

var is good, the problem is the humans doing var have made a load of very dodgy decisions . letr var go automatic and get rid of the refs buddies

[@StarGazer9976]

Sky, you seem like you're pandering to the PGMOL and the Premier League in their decisions, though they are often incorrect. Goal line technology was before VAR. Did you start watching the game in 2020? Did you hit your head or something? The problem with VAR is the people running it. The referees in the Premier League are the worst in the game. VAR works more efficiently in other leagues because the referees running it know how to call an unbiased game. Wolves are absolutely correct on goals. As a fan, when somebody scores, I can cheer or sulk because I am like will it be a goal or not? It takes away from the game. The game is being reffed twice. This leads to a ridiculous amount of extra time at the end. If we had better people, who knew the game, running it, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

[@tianidomingo4231]

VAR is not the problem but the epl refs , most of them are bad refs

[@FredericFreedom]

Or corrupt

[@dazzaMusic]

Football is played for the fans, we should have the decision whether it stays or not.

[@eddouglas]

We need to change Howard Webb, Michael Oliver, all the same frigging faces we always see making mistakes. Wolves just want a (deserved) PROPER go at VAR and the refs for this season - they've been absolutely shafted by VAR this season. It won't get banned but every club will lay into how bad it performed this season and rightly so. Missed offsides, studs to the chest in a title decider, penalties every week being missed, dives all over the place. PGMOL are an absolute shambles. I can't see the bottom 10 voting to give more dodgy referees the ability to brown nose the big 6 because they want to bring back goal celebrations... ? at least now we can point out there is no excuse, they have replays and cameras and that - they surely can't vote to scrap VAR and give every ref the "whoops" excuse every week ... that's mad.

[@KAI-jl1ph]

Darwin nunez whose paid millions to make split second decisions has less than 20% chance conversion rate but no grace for Micheal Oliver with an 82% accuracy in split second decisions gets more hate

[@user-hn8ho7gq2n]

Removing var will be a mistake because referees will cook so many club

[@hanzoblade]

Get rid of this crap, it has ruined the game, only goal line tech should be used.

[@Webby07]

newcastle got humbled by a 33 yr old evans and casemiro tonight u aint as good as u think🤣

[@_A7X]

Yeah right.. the audacity to even appear here 😂 I'd cave up if I was a United fan after Robbin Newcastle of a clear penalty.. Embarrassing

[@Webby07]

@@_A7X keep crying u lost 😭🤫 two 32+ year olds bogged down ur team for 70% of the game

[@TPCDAZ]

Humbled? Newcastle should of had a penalty. How the standards of Man Utd fans have dropped.

[@eddouglas]

mate we're a position above you with the worst injury list in Europe ... we had most of the ball, most of the chances? were just leggy... 100% ten nil vs 100% howe side and you haven't won in the last four before tonight .. ? creepy club, going under, hope you get Southgate hahaha. I was watching youtube fan reactions of yous getting beat 4 - 0 by palace the other day and laughing my tits off lol

[@tonyfletcher7524]

It’s crap get rid of it

[@BigBaldBassist]

It can go back. Stop this 'can't' talk. VAR is awful and so are the incompetent referees. The refs are good enough and they can't improve overnight. So get rid of VAR and have the joy back in football

[@tom11mansfield]

This video is so clearly biased

[@anjolatope-babalola2338]

English fans and pundits always delude themselves Really you are complaining about not being able to celebrate Just wait when everyone is complaining when var is scrapped

[@destinyanetor7875]

Reece james 😂😂

[@tommysmith7462]

Well we know whos shilling for who

[@ejiroighorodje1891]

VAR perfection is limited by the quality of those that use it. The issue is the human side because the video system doesn't make the decisions, the refs do