Andy Goldstein Makes An ARGUMENT How Man City WINNING Vs The PL COULD Benefit Smaller Clubs! 👀🤔

Andy Goldstein & Darren Bent discuss Man City's case against The Premier League over financial rules
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[@pppscooby]

If the recent man utd sale has taught us anything is there aren’t a long line of billionaire owners waiting to buy PL clubs.

[@renderxtravels8464]

Depends. United is a mess.

[@garethmackinnon6782]

like who wants to buy united especially for 8 billion or more 😂🤣

[@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere]

there IS a long list, you plum. There just wasn't a long list of billionaires willing to take an equity share whereby they have to do all the heavy lifting whilst the Glazers keep a majority share for doing nowt. If the club was up for sale in its entirety, it'd sell within days.

[@Mr.BednaR]

Probably a wrong example. There were few who wanted to buy it... but, from a buyer perspective, Glazers were very annoying sellers... changed the price few times on the go too i believe?

[@martussfrank3903]

Liverpool had about 10 possible buyers, all filthy rich but the greedy owners didn't want to sell.

[@rawthentictruth]

Even if you have all the 20 teams taken over by billionaires; three billionaire clubs are going to be relegated every season. Spending more money doesn’t make the league any better if rules are not enforced.

[@JoeChard]

Exactly

[@Maax1200]

Exactly, its the same stupidity as changing the off side rule, there will still be that hair between in and off side.

[@hughfawcett4333]

18 of the 20 clubs are owned by billionaires 😂. 16 owned by multi billionaires. This is a battle between huge global corporate bodies. It's not about football and fairness. Perspective.

[@PassportG]

@@hughfawcett4333 yea. i can see the super league coming from all this billionaire owners mess.

[@lovejoy3347]

What's the point in having billionaire owers when you can only spend what you generate?!! LOL! Platini and Blatter handicap PL clubs specifically through FFP.

[@wurm90125]

This should be a slam dunk. When their owners bought this club, they agreed to the rules of the league. They were part of the process of making those rules. No case. End of story.

[@QuentinMajor]

Not if they consistently voted against the rules, they weren't.

[@robertmclellan3658]

City voted against the joke rules.

[@andyh366]

The rules regarding sponsorship was changed after they bought city. 2021 rules were changed to stop Newcastle doing what city and Blackburn and multiple other clubs benefit from inflated sponsorship. They got scared of the massive wealth behind Newcastle's owners and wanted to stop them being able to compete at the top. So city complaining about these is fine as this rule has only been in place for 3 years.

[@alhambra7104]

I’ll flag this comment to the arbitration committee. They’ve clearly been overthinking it.

[@acchery8910]

​@@robertmclellan3658they were also part of the majority on other rules though. Bit hypocritical

[@rossdoonan6220]

Why do these shows keep saying it’s nothing to do with the 115. They are doing this to get ahead of the 115.

[@barcalounger10]

Probably just for legal clarity. This is a completely separate case, not like they are countersuing the 115. Although it can directly benefit them in alleviating the 115 charges down the road.

[@rakimrobinsonMCFC]

Separate case. This is a 2021 rule

[@platnumj]

Because even if they win the case against the PL, it won’t affect the ruling of the charges. It’s either they broke the rules as it was at the time or they didn’t. Everything else is secondary and separate

[@sosolawson6587]

They are separate cases but they are very much linked, if city win then the new rule in 2021 has a lot of doubt in it which it could be argued that the laws that a substantial amount of the charges is thrown into doubt, it's like if this rule is bad now why was it good then

[@kurtmiller7040]

Should be re branded 115 City FC

[@neilharrison01]

State ownership of clubs should be banned.

[@derrickwinter9737]

I bet your a Utd fan who was dying for that sheik 6 months ago🤣🤣🤣

[@upon-fe2720]

​​@@derrickwinter9737its sad that there were united fans pro qatar not realising the awfulness behind it. These are people on par with North Korea. Killers, dictators, extorters.

[@thesaint5619]

You need to be a state just about to afford these clubs

[@Tacituskilgore165_]

Until it's your club.

[@Tam1290]

Why?

[@jalberto428]

Funny how the rules changed soon as Chelsea and city came knocking, spend what you want end of

[@michaeljones3694]

CHELSEA? Chelsea money came in about 20 years ago. Soteln mom from the Russian people.

[@markcavigan3572]

its called evolution...

[@TheTaydak]

Yeah Newcastle are owned by the riches owners the difference is they are actually playing by the rules that we currently have and Man City allegedly haven't been so there's a huge difference. But if you use your own money by third party means there's got to be something in place to stop you doing that because it's just circumventing the rules and is basically cooking the books.

[@L1am21]

I'm sorry the Newcastle ground was sponsored by sports direct for years so dont pull that bullshit!

[@MrsRhianne1996]

Man city charges only go up to 2018

[@Robert-ks5ix]

​@@L1am21at fair market value no doubt.

[@footballmattersfc4690]

​@L1am21 Yeah at £3M a year 😂

[@jalberto428]

Need to go back to school pal and learn to read dates

[@Tam1290]

We need to understand the overall aim of the rule. 1) to prevent clubs going bust 2)to keep a competitive league Different rules are required for the above

[@michaellabram5980]

Get rid….Destroying pl

[@mosley4182]

This needs to be stopped before its started city think they are bigger than the league

[@Genekellystand]

Mmm, we are. 😂😂

[@marksedman2267]

@@Genekellystand You cannot even sell out your stadium!!! City fans are actually delusional. I remember when City was a real club not some plastic cheating farce.

[@peptalk7658]

We are. Kick City out and see the European Super League emerge. Now go twerk for Liverpool or United.

[@OnlyTheking]

Actually we are 😆😆😆

[@martussfrank3903]

​@@peptalk7658without Liverpool and United football in this country may as well be dead.

[@jesusalvarez-cedron6581]

The problem is not the billionaires, but countries like UAE or Qatar that have turned european clubs (like Manchester City or PSG) into state-owned companies with unlimited access to money, way beyond any given rules.

[@pauldowney4280]

City are not owned by a state, they are owned by a company called the city group, the main man is not the top man in the country, he's deputy prime minister.

[@WangPaste]

I know, it's great isn't it 😂

[@michaeljones3694]

@@pauldowney4280 Yeah right. So why are the government of the UAE putting pressure on the UK government. Why have they arrested a Royal Marine for spying (which is absolute BS) and he is currently in a prison there? They're bullies who think oil can get people to kowtow to them.

[@rossdoonan6220]

There isn’t 2 way to look at this. City are wrong and trying to control the league and do whatever they want.

[@drubry1854]

Nonsense

[@joshuaw9675]

⁠@@drubry1854If it was nonsense they wouldn’t be taking the premier league to court next week. If the Man City owners had it their own way they would have an infinite amount of money to spend on transfers and use their own companies to pump more money into an already rich club

[@drubry1854]

@joshuaw9675 Do u know how much the Etihad deal is? For naming rights to the ground, naming rights to the training ground, main shirt sponsor, access to the CFA clubs and also women's team, and all this for the best team in world football, you'd think like 500m a year or something crazy, Answer is only 80m

[@SuperHarl007]

​@@drubry1854 until one deal isn't what we should be looking at but imagine if this case is win then Aby rich owner can have his club be sponsored by his company in billions

[@colonelcider8292]

well what's stopping everyone else from doing what they want also? The biggest winners aren't even City. Its newcastle and ipswich as they have money but can't spend it If City lose = so what, we've already made it to the top and we'll carry on doing what we've been doing

[@user-yw6jo5ld6l]

Premier League should start a new league without City

[@nightowl7459]

Yeah, you might have a chance of winning then, I bet you still have the audacity to believe that you are sporting, don't you?

[@andrewsouthward2461]

​@@nightowl7459Manchester city had won just 9 Trophies before their sugar daddy came in 2008 and don't forget Manchester city were in the 3rd Division of English football just over 20 years ago Manchester city Chelsea Newcastle United PSG and the Red Bull clubs are nothing but sportswashing football clubs

[@aaroncathey6706]

@@nightowl7459 You must be one of the three Man City fans. Cool.

[@Genekellystand]

@@aaroncathey6706drowning in a sea of jealousy and bitterness. We are bigger than any club in England and will bring the premier league down. 😂😂😂

[@aaroncathey6706]

@@Genekellystand You sure will. Single handedly with an Arab Prince's money. Off the backs of human rights violations. Good for you. Don't be upset when chickens come home to roost. See Chelsea.

[@nickp8094]

Lets not forget their 115 charges. Nice bit of distraction

[@joshuaw9675]

Yh they think we was born yesterday

[@Tacituskilgore165_]

Distraction... 🤣 Honestly you kids.

[@Renegade76892]

​@MCFC_BlueMoon_4_Times it's almost like they know nothing about this subject. Oh wait they dont😂😂

[@yt.personal.identification]

​@@Tacituskilgore165_Is youth an insult? ... only to the young. You give yourself away if you think it is an insult.

[@multivox_musik]

It's not 115. It's a lot less but they've duplicated charges onto the start of every new season Simon Jordon said. It's 9 or 10 serious charges which is still a lot but not 115

[@hollyjenkins1500]

City need to be expelled from all English football

[@_A7X]

😂

[@robertmclellan3658]

Stop being silly

[@RandomVideosFirst]

here here

[@bobofett3966]

Why because they won’t be bullied by yank owned clubs who can’t beat them on the field and think they run the premiership

[@leonhughes9014]

for spending half of what man united spent in last 5 years

[@alistairmonro]

They dint want this because instead of paying 8 billion for 8th place and a leaky roof, somone could spend 200m on a 'smaller' clubs and invest 1-2 billion and end up in a better position.

[@MrAkabane1]

Man City has just become the most hated club in the country. They've found out they can't just break the rules so now they're trying to get rid of them so that they can win every competition until the end of time. They have no problem destroying football itself if it gets them a few more titles. UK football is currently being controlled from Saudi Arabia and Abu Dhabi.

[@PHILD0]

As if they weren't already. City and PSG both originators of modern moneyball.

[@Godspeedysick]

As an Arsenal fan I’m jealous. We need our gate title back 😆

[@kurtmiller7040]

If there are no rules Newcastle will dominated everything. They are literally 1000 times wealthier than City

[@jackadderlake5716]

The two Petro States seem to have no problem with destroying the earth's atmosphere so football's a kick in the park to them.

[@deepakpandey8240]

​@@jackadderlake5716 what?

[@draft1983]

Kick them out of the league. Job done.

[@_A7X]

😂 I can smell the fear

[@robertmclellan3658]

Why when the Champions are clearly innocent?

[@diehard21000]

Keep dreaming ​@@robertmclellan3658

[@ashleyhallows2566]

Enough sick of lies come on City !

[@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings]

▪︎Liverpool caught Hacking ▪︎Everton admit to FFP Cheating ▪︎City found Not Guilty in Court ▪︎Kick out - City or Liverpool,Everton?😂

[@lunasmokezim1718]

People are stupid! Most premier clubs have rich owners, what Newcastle & City have are Oil rich countries as owners. Even if Everton can spend 2 Billion on transfers, City would be able to spend 100 billion. This needs to be stopped now!

[@L1am21]

But the whole of Europe would have to agree on a cap. You need to convince people not to like money.

[@colonelcider8292]

firstly can and would are two separately different things City could spend 100 billion and then make negative profit so they've fucked themselves. Or they spend as much as they need to cause lets be honest how many players are you buying a transfer window Not to mention that if a club is trying to sell a player for 200 million, City would walk away if they don't evaluate the player at 200million and then go get someone else Secondly what's the difference from right now? City earn more so they can pay more than a club like everton By removing FFP, all you are actually doing is removing the limitation on a club like everton so that if they do have the money then they can pay a little more than what they've been allocated to spend which will let them catch up to the bigger clubs if they spend well and invest wisely. Thirdly FFP wasn't around 20 years ago and it was fine Why is it a problem now?

[@marksedman2267]

@@colonelcider8292 you missed the part where you are owned by a state. The money means nothing to these guys. They don't care if they lose money every single year. Its a hobby to them not a business. If City had done this the right way and still had the success they had then the legal cases would not be happening. City's owners actually think they are bigger than the league that the club plays in. City should just leave and go play in Saudi or start their own league since they don't respect the one they currently play in.

[@colonelcider8292]

@marksedman2267 it is a business, which is why the city group has multiple clubs across the globe. The fact that the City group has built up not only the club but the whole infrastructure just shows that it isn't just a hobby. You wouldn't need to work nearly as hard if it was just a hobby. As for not caring about money. Be real, that's the only thing our owner is interested in. Showed up for the champions league final but never to any of the other games. This just shows that the owner doesn't care about the football so what does he care about? It's very rare to have an owner that doesn't value making money :/ Money means nothing is the most delusional thing you've said.

[@kurtmiller7040]

The City owner is worth about 20 billion. Only Newcastle have 100s of billions

[@NvrMindm3]

Thing is everyone is forgetting when man city was first sold to the Saudis... These concerns where all brought up. The worries being they would ruin competition and completely destroy fair play in English football. But the premier league ignored all of it because they wanted the benefits of Saudi ownership for the first few years. Massive names coming to England. Huge money being spent. Spanish league used to be on the premier leagues heels when cr7, Bale and modric went to Madrid to compete with Barcelona and athletico. We had a 3 horse race the same as they did.. Chelsea, man united and Liverpool. Arsenal and spurs were miles off. City were nothing. But afterwards we cemented ourselves as the best league in the world. We took primary appeal over barca and Madrid. But doing so we opened the door to the devil and now we're complaining about how hellish it all is. What did you expect???

[@L1am21]

I stoped reading when you said man city was sold to the Saudis. Get a clue!

[@Conner912]

To me this smells like knowing impending doom is looming with the 115 charges… quick lets get rid of the rules that have founded a lot of these charges in the hope it helps our case.

[@jimeley2580]

Imagine watching Leicester win the league without cheating. Oh wait, i forgot they needed hundreds of millions on wages and transfers..... Wait again... Effort, discipline, team work and not giving up or complaining wins a match not paying £100k - £450k x 25

[@Arqueto176]

It was a one off and they ended up in the championship. Only four teams have won the Premier League more than once and they have all spent an absolute fortune. The exception doesn't make the rule. The people that have spent the most money have won the most trophies.

[@juliusoba6488]

This new rule will prevent a Leicester because they were sponsored by their owners companies.

[@darrenwarby32]

So you're saying Man City didn't win because of effort , determination , teamwork and never giving up ?

[@LexnZo99]

Ruining 🇬🇧⚽️. I surport United and that would not b fair to less rich owners of ⚽️ clubs. City spent what they wanted for yrs but every else worrying about ffp? Why was newcastle not allowed to spend? City broke rules that THEY AGREED to. And now there caught the rules r wrong.🤣Relegate them. Scottish Rangers settings

[@robertmclellan3658]

Surport?

[@robertmclellan3658]

City didn’t agree with the corrupt nonsensical rules.

[@robertmclellan3658]

And United are a billion in debt, how’s that allowed?

[@LexnZo99]

Coz we make fortunes... We gt 1.2 billion from ADDIDAS in july and £236mill from sir jim. Legal checked by prem money . If they pay it happy days. Glazers wont. Jackels all of em

[@robertmclellan3658]

@@LexnZo99Can’t even mend the holes in the roof or cook chicken properly.

[@Leenufc]

Newcastles owners pif are worth 940 billion now

[@Maax1200]

Thats the funny thing, City, and their fans, think they would be at the top of the tree if they got their way. Newcastle owners are even richer.

[@platnumj]

@@Maax1200 City and their fans don’t think that, but the fact remains they’ve already built a foundation for success. Newcastle now has to catch up.

[@joshuaw9675]

@@platnumjA foundation of success by potentially cheating the system and taking liberties. Look at the squad Man City has and they’re unhappy with APT rules because it’s “limiting their potential” They’re going to look foolish next week

[@hughfawcett4333]

Which means they'll spend to make more money down the line. It's not a bottomless pit it's calculated investment. Who complained about more competition in technology, distribution, insurance etc? The only way to break into an established market is big investment initially. Football is no different and should not be allowed anti-competition "rules"

[@hughfawcett4333]

​@@Maax1200city fans don't care about other clubs competing. Bring it on.

[@michaeljp9605]

End of the day the PL has tried to ensure only the branded clubs with history stay at the top, why can’t we have a level playing field, it’s not what the PL want. The PL is corrupt and has been for years, change is needed

[@martussfrank3903]

These clubs thst you speak of have had over a hundred years to become a branded club, just like Liverpool, United and Arsenal. And here you are now hoping for a sugardaddy to give a quick fix. Bore off.

[@martussfrank3903]

These clubs thst you speak of have had over a hundred years to become a branded club, just like Liverpool, United and Arsenal. And here you are now hoping for a sugardaddy to give a quick fix. Bore off.

[@bobofett3966]

You notice now that nobody mentions FFP is there to protect clubs getting into financial difficulties like Leeds did, now it’s true purpose is clear, to prevent any club other than yank owned clubs from investment, knew it all along

[@lilbaz8073]

Èrm everton are facing possible administration because they ignored the rules.

[@richTVproduction]

Lance Armstrong complaining that he can't dope no more is hilarious to me... Tyranny of the majority is another good one. 😂

[@petersmith2522]

What id like to see as a rule change is a cap on how many players a club can have and on youth players so it stops teams just buying them all up and in turn would reduce spending a bit most likely but do that and scrap ffp its ruining the game clubs and the league again maybe just cap it at 2 or 3 hundred million a season

[@telephonic]

The only benefit is the state owned clubs. no one can compete with them.

[@renderxtravels8464]

Cry more, soft lad 😂

[@L1am21]

You literally competed with one.

[@dman9152]

Relegation to the vanarama League and striped of all titles is the only fair solution.

[@illyaedwards7188]

Keep crying 😭

[@samirkotecha9481]

The EPL needs to be more competitive as it would be nice to see small teams/clubs having ago winning trophies and titles.

[@davidcondron42]

Andy should’ve got the crayon’s out to explain this to Darren

[@Do27gg]

Actually agree the whole voting thing is flawed. The clubs don’t vote for what’s best for the league, only themselves. That being said city should be relegated to league 2 and stripped of their titles

[@frasierfreak92]

Newcastle have spent a fortune, it’s their own fault they wasted a lot of it!

[@jackg5966]

It doesn't need a genius to work out Villa are the other club...Wealthy owners trying to break the big 6 but up to the FFP limit...Addidas are Villa's kit sponsor next season and one of the owners owns part of this sportswear manufacturer.

[@philbarton2832]

What? It's Newcastle mate, it's blatantly obvious it's Newcastle because as the richest owners in the world they stand to gain the most

[@craigdoc6656]

​@@philbarton2832I wouldn't be so sure, man city tried to bring forward a vote to change the FFP rules, villa were one of the fee teams that agreed with city. Villa are on the limits of FFP

[@acchery8910]

​@@philbarton2832I think Newcastle on different votes sided with the premier League. Oddly enough I don't think it's them. Especially since the owners hate each other

[@renderxtravels8464]

Actually, it's Everton and Villa and Newcastle

[@Maax1200]

@philbarton2832. As far as iv heard, its not Newcastle. And no, im not a Newcastle supporter.

[@nirvanabliss9247]

What is the financial gap between Utd and Brentford ATM? How is club like Brentford ever compete with the clubs like utd, Chelsea, arsenal, City, Spurs etc. Please do explain

[@adammohamed..]

You don’t have a God-given right to compete. How are you gonna compete with Djokovic or Floyd Mayweather or Michael Jordan? Every sport has the elite. What do you think will happen if somebody comes into all of the clubs in the Premier league and spends billions and then what you can only have one team in the league and then you got all these billionaires that are very unhappy because they’ve blown their brains out. And who remains there the fans for generations and generations these people are just passing through temporary custodians of our clubs. We need the German model.

[@nirvanabliss9247]

@adammohamed.. we cannot have a competition with elitist mentality, simple as that. Everyone's complaining about City, why then?

[@Dylan_A526]

It would be insanely difficult, but it is possible in theory. Clubs have built their clubs up over time and increased their revenue like Tottenham for example or even Brighton. No one will ever build revenue or have owners rich enough to compete with Saudi Arabia. At least the current rules keep the money to what it is naturally achievable in the sport.

[@jonathanyoung4682]

​@@adammohamed..All humans have a gid given right to compete....

[@adammohamed..]

@@nirvanabliss9247 No we complained with Chelsea as well, but City were irrelevant then so you probably didn’t pick up on it. But remember City is a nation state so it’s not like a Bloke like Jack Walker or Steve Gibson spending their own money. And cities Royal family have £400B. So that’s why we’re complaining about it. And now City are playing the victims, “the tyranny of the majority” have you heard such rubbish in your life? There’s not much democracy in the Middle East is there.

[@Mu77er]

all the issues in the league atm stem from jealous clubs like Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs, Utd, Arsenal not wanting City to get stronger and then not wanting Newcastle to be able to spend because then there'd be even less chance of them getting in the top four. If the shoe was on the other foot and they had the rich owners they'd be kicking off too. cried like mad to have rules brought in to put a leash on them. disgusting from those clubs. PL are a joke

[@simonmenzies3142]

If city win this, it will be the beginning of the end of football. Which tbh feels like is a few years in now anyway.

[@sie4431]

Sport is a competition. Having a team win the PL because they just happened to be bought by a country means it's no longer a competition, we might as well just look at who is richest and give them the trophy. If Man City's owners had bought Luton Town instead of them they'd be the first to complain

[@davidwebster5946]

The only clubs that this wouldn't benefit are those whose owners don't want to invest in their own business

[@user-yw6jo5ld6l]

They say they can't compete but 6 titles and Liverpool 1 and United 0

[@Maax1200]

If the rules stay the same, they know they are in the mudd once Pep, KDB, Rodri etc leaves. They cant replace all of them in one go.

[@thesaint5619]

​@@Maax1200laughable city are going nowhere they will compete no matter what

[@kurtmiller7040]

115

[@simoneldridge2413]

Best show on Talk Sport - fair and accurate assessment without the bitterness of Crook and the others

[@denisako6493]

Allow it run riot until we start buying players for 500m then everyone will learn their lesson. City owners are worth 30 billion what if one player costs 10 billion then only Newcastle will exist

[@alistairmonro]

Except City's transfers have been excellent value. They never pay more than they think a player is worth. They are regularly outbid by other clubs, and walk away.

[@denisako6493]

@@alistairmonro paid 100m for Grealish didn't really care bought Doku for 60m next got Nunes for 55m has failed this season no problem this summer you'll buy another that's what we mean

[@alistairmonro]

@@denisako6493 Grealish has the English player tax, plus he was big news at the time. Doku is absolutely worth 60m he's young exciting and skips past fullbacks. Nunes was a strange one but seemed to be a reaction to loosing gundo. We can all list a few players who haven't met expectations for every club on the planet. The point you seem to be trying to make is City could spend 500million and get who they want. Maybe, but they don't because that's not City's model. It's the exact same for United in the past buying a few 30-50m (was a lot at the time) players each season and seeing what fit and getting rid of the others. And it kinda still happens now but because they're not winning everyone just laughs.

[@denisako6493]

@@alistairmonro the difference is other clubs regret their financial mistakes city doesn't care. They'll go ahead and buy another 60m player or even more just like that

[@alistairmonro]

@@denisako6493 all clubs regret wasting money. I'm sure it doesn't affect United too much. Why else would they keep doing it?

[@cjchaworth]

FFP, PSR, etc was introduced to protect the incumbents from upstarts. It’s protectionism for the elite clubs.

[@williamross6227]

As much as I want Citeh to answer their charges, Football is dead. Chelsea bought the league and their success years ago. Mid table teams being given blank cheaque books should never of been allowed.

[@starchild6347]

Our game. Our rules….if City don’t like it, they can piss off.

[@colonelcider8292]

sounds like you want City to make the super league Real Madrid already wanted it. Bet the Italian teams would like a larger payout. Barca would probably agree Some English clubs were already flirting with the idea If City do piss off and make the super league then don't cry about it later

[@marksedman2267]

@@colonelcider8292 except the only people that care if City are in the prem are City fans. Go play in the super league you will not be missed, trust me.

[@yt.personal.identification]

​@@colonelcider8292Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

[@colonelcider8292]

@@yt.personal.identification don't come begging to let you in

[@colonelcider8292]

@marksedman2267 trust me if City do join the Super league, that won't be the only prem club. If the Super league happens then the prem, la liga, serie a, etc. are dusted.

[@flux1957]

Manchester city was not an attractive club when they was brought by sheikh mansour back in 2008 ,man city need to win this case to benifit the smaller clubs who can be be brought by rich owners and propel them up to greater things just like city

[@samwize28]

Ahhh, the romance of sporting success. Broken down to an arms race of who has the richest owner. What a fantastic model to wish for….

[@Jammon23]

If there were a lot of billionaires that wanted to buy small clubs, then a lot of small clubs would have been brought before any financial restrictions were applied.

[@86Brasco]

Needs a CAP. This is about talent not who can spend the most. Surely for fair competition?

[@L1am21]

Then La Liga will take all our best players. Sky sports and the likes ain't gonna want that.

[@tarvold2492]

Aren't these legal proceedings almost as good as an admission of guilt for the 115 charges? City know now they can't get away with allegataly fiddling the books in relation to sponsorship, so want to change rules to benefit them in the future, after, as we all know, they get their slap on the wrists and moderate fine for the possible breaches.

[@astro9219]

The kid Rory was unusually quiet here.

[@Drunken_Horse]

Wont benefit the smaller clubs when United Liverpool and Arsenal use the same ruling to get individual TV rights leaving the small clubs with even less money

[@Maax1200]

United and Liverpool already tried that and was voted down by........get this, City, and others.

[@alistairmonro]

That's what it was all about, protecting the establishment

[@MrAkabane1]

No clubs should be allowed to be owned by a state.

[@neilclark9443]

You never knew who top 4 was 30 years ago .sky sports fucked football up ,rather watch championship

[@thesaint5619]

You predicted Leicester to win the league utd and chelsea to be Miles off wow

[@mesicek7]

30 years ago Blackburn were spending more money on players than most EPL teams while playing in the Championship. Then got promoted and went even more crazy in the transfer market signing the likes of Shearer, Batty, Warhurst, Flowers, Le Saux and Sutton - most expensive English player at the time. But hey most people don't remember that and think of Blackburn as the team that stopped Utd's dominance for a season without even realizing what they're actually supporting.

[@neilclark9443]

@@mesicek7 didn’t win it 4 times on bounce ,ffs

[@neilclark9443]

Didn’t win it 4 times on bounce,ffs

[@thesaint5619]

@neilclark9443 every club has money give over man utd have wasted hundreds on millions not city's fault

[@blacksmoulton79]

Why can't they allow teams to spend over the cap but have to match that as a fine that is share among other clubs who are below. They would in turn cannonly spend that on players.

[@alistairmonro]

Seems fair I'd go with that. I was thinking the owners should put 100% of a transfer fee + contract cost into a separate pot. That would protect the club from owners pulling the plug and decimating the club (which is what they were supposed to be for).

[@jokerpool77]

Why do we act as if man utd was the biggest club pre fergie....if man City was doing all what they are doing cleanly the club will most definitely gain fans organically

[@alistairmonro]

Why do we act as though since the heavy commercialisation of football, the inception of the premier league, nobody has been able to compete financially with the early winners? They say investing in clubs like Chelsea to compete for the title was 'ruining football' but when they were the beneficiary, by luck of being good at the time, loads of money came in they wanted to pull up the drawbridge.

[@BigDom61]

Look at what happened in rugby with the salary cap and France hasn’t got one English clubs have suffered

[@JesseOmezi]

Personally I agree with city’s point. Let clubs spend what they’re able to spend and then let the football do do the talking. My only fear is that you’ll get American ownership and sooner or later we’ll have a closed shop premier league similar to the NFL with no promotion or relegation

[@mrkeithmorgan1]

Good explanation. Thanks guys. I can see both sides. The horse bolted with Chelski, its now hard to put it back in the box. If this was Brentford taking the PL to court we wouldn't say anything.

[@Me2se1ah]

This conversation is insane. What the world needs is for premier league to get even richer and spend even more money. Insanity. The football can only be so good, regardless of how much you pay for the players. Football is supposed to be a hobby, not the meaning of life.

[@PoundlandPELE_007]

There is a simple answer to the 115’s sponsorship issue with the Prem. The Prem can set a limit of sponsorship as a percentage of the other total earnings of the club.That links it to the true club earnings and can be specified in the FFP (or whatever they want to call it) regulations. You can still get a billion a week from grandads airline sponsorship , but you CAN NOT spend it all on new signings and wages. JOB DONE: MOVE ON…..now about these 115 charges……

[@alistairmonro]

How about basing it on who was winning during the boom in commercial revenue at the inception of the premier league? Same thing. If you were lucky enough to be good in the 90s you are allowed to outspend everyone else.

[@craigshackleton1652]

The idea of playing in America might appeal to American owners like at Liverpool and Man United. But in terms of player logistics and fatigue it could have a negative effect to the final position in the league.

[@stephenv5521]

If Darren Bent can't understand the rules and the situation why do we have to listen to his comments 🤦

[@kurtmiller7040]

You don't. You can go listen to some thing else😊

[@stephenv5521]

Good that they do a dumbed down version for you though.​@@kurtmiller7040

[@kcash1beats]

Did Leicester have to sell Mahrez, and Kante after they won the league? Did Southampton have to sell Van Dijk, Pelle, Cedric, Hoijburg, Romeu, Tadic etc, when they were beating Inter Milan 2-1 at home in the Europa League? No, they had a strong core they could’ve built on but their intentions was always to sell. This includes Brighton, Spurs, West Ham etc The problems aren’t based on the current rules (though I don’t agree with them all), I believe the problem is the selling teams lack of ambition. City have literally bought players who were doing well in their teams, e.g. Nunes and Philips, and just bench them. Where is the competitiveness in that? Why not promote academy players to fill those roles? Manchester City are corrupt and deserve punishment at the highest level if you want to keep the magic of the premier league alive.

[@michaelholt100]

It shouldn't be the clubs that vote it should be the fans , the clubs belong to us not these foreign owners

[@petersmith2522]

The last caller 😂 im sure he completely flipped on what he originally said 😂 and he also says ipswich and villa wont get rich investors already got them 😂

[@Benjalina123]

Yea, you get callers with no balls to back up their opinions. Or they don't actually know what they think. Anybody that thinks totally removing spending caps is a good idea, Is absolutely brain dead. It would totally destroy anything good that is left in the EFL. It will become another mockery Saudi League.

[@ishmelo8981]

PL can solve this problem by instituting a Salary Cap

[@nilelynch4783]

The Southampton fan is a muppet. Billionaires ain't growing on trees.

[@Bushwacker-mb6hw]

The correct punishment if found guilty of course should be 2 points deduction and £20 fine

[@pseudoism]

Why don’t they take an average of the turnover of all clubs and set that for all clubs. This would increase over years as all the clubs became wealthier but would limit the bigger clubs…

[@jeffspruance9388]

Wage caps and transfer caps. It’s really quite simple. Tell UEFA to implement the same or they’ll walk. EUFA won’t allow English teams to leave European competition. If you want to play in Europe, here’s the budget cap

[@stevearno9726]

"Nothing to do with 115" Theyre literally suing because the premier league rules are illegal... (the rules they mightve broke) "Were innocence and we can prove it!" "Well prove it then!" "No! Were gonna get say the rules are wrong instead!"

[@paulonvula6495]

The best take I have heard around this issue. Thanks for clarifying.

[@EnglishForFootball]

If City are succesful, and then other state-owners buy clubs. You will essentially have a two or three-tier league. There'll be 3 or 4 clubs (Chelsea, City, Newcastle) who will be able to use money to do ANYTHING. Player looking great at Villa = unsetlle the player with 20m a year salary and offer 100m to Villa, they will do that with every club and every player. Any time a team below them starts to look good, they'll be picked apart. Clubs in that bracket below will only aspire to the odd domestic cup.

[@garymcrae1699]

Isn't that what the red cartel did to clubs in the 70s 80 s and 90s

[@Adamm357]

Spending money in the transfer market does not guarantee success, yet that's always the focus. Additional income will go on improved youth facilities, training ground, and the stadium. The problem is that the money generated always goes on new players due to the threat of relegation and the massive drop-off in finances.

[@Chris-ty7fw]

Chelsea are doing the same trick selling a hotel and training ground (no market value evaluation) to a related company. Newcastle should just selling car park places to the Saudis at 1 billion each and if anyone stops them say Chelsea started it.

[@livefromBremenMusicSM]

Nice argue from Andy but he forgetting it doesn’t matter how much the club owner is worth ,what matters is how much income the club generates because that’s what supposed to use to run the club … not outside money pumped into it … that kills the competition

[@BigDom61]

Newcastle would love it they would spend 500 million every window

[@mikeessman4713]

It has a lot to do with the 115 because if they win this they’ll try to get off on many of those charges too.

[@barbarohelm9697]

City need booting out of the league.. this is a smokescreen to delay the charges .. no body will miss the cheats anyway

[@L1am21]

I will. love how everyone is so salty about them. Your all the same jokers who hated Chelsea and Manchester United anyway.

[@Benjalina123]

​@@L1am21 Because the club is a joke. Everyone knows it. Plastic and soulless.

[@Sven78872]

Be interesting to see when it comes out who 2nd club in support is. Lazy assumption its Newcastle but it could be anyone….doesnt need to be them due to wealth of owners Look how many clubs from 8th to 17th are absolutely dead in the water due to FFP/PSR….forest, villa, brighton, fulham etc. All have hugely wealthy owners who cant invest like they would want.

[@kd5973]

These callers saying city need to win for the good of English football are CRAZY. City’s owners have unlimited money. It will make the gap BIGGER. How are people not getting this? Anyone can invest in Ipswich if they want to. That’s not the issue here. It’s if Ipswich were owned by a country and then that country, with more wealth than anyone, decides that their airline wants to pay 500m a year to sponsor them instead of roughly about 30m a year. No one is stopping an investor from approaching any club and saying they want to sponsor them.

[@Cyrus-rodn45]

The new rules are to prevent small clubs from getting big. Also since when does a business needs to be audited multiple times by the prem, and a director of the sponsor has to go before the prem to explain. A product is valued by what someone is willing to pay not this whole what everybody else feels it is worth

[@andrewwright4195]

​@@Cyrus-rodn45that what happens in all business and life poor people not allowed to get bigger life Is unfair but that life

[@Cyrus-rodn45]

@@andrewwright4195 okay well u stay poor

[@Benjalina123]

Exactly my thoughts. The callers are dense AF.

[@nigelduckworth4419]

The present rules are disrimination against the smaller clubs not just City and newcastle because they will never be able to spend to get to the level of United, Liverpool etc. Most owners in the PL are billionaires. City were not attractive to foreign owners in 2008 when Abu Dhabi took over City.

[@jimmideerichards9554]

This is the best thing for the premier league as will open up the market to buy a club and invest without restrictions, as atm no ones touching anyone out of the top 6 as there’s no chance to invest to a point you can compete so it’s pointless. Tbh the entire ffp needs to be scraped and I feel this is the first step to go down that route. Let’s not forget, if the premier league keep prodding these top 6 clubs clubs then your just pushing them to leave the league and join the super league that’s a never ending shadow wanting to get started. The league needs freedom to continue being the best league and get the biggest players. Like right now, Mbappe going to Real should be seen as a defeat to the league, because of our stupid spending caps, no team can afford his wage demands, so we stop the best players wanting to come here. Ok he might go to Real anyway cus of the history, but at least let our clubs have a chance to come to the table and put an offer on that could turn his head. Also let’s not forget if this filters down the football pyramid, it will do Wrexham a huge favour, and they’ve already shown an appeal to buying a club lower down so this will be better for English football as a whole. Like in a few years if City win this case, Wrexham will be a huge club in the premier league with all the revenue they can bring from the Hollywood boys.

[@bilal00276]

The Premier League was so much better without Man City and their money. People forget how ridiculous their spending was when they originally became rich.

[@thesaint5619]

I wonder how much man utd liverpool arsenal have spent compared to city since the start of football. Pretty sure city are Miles behind. Nobody cared when Blackburn bought the league

[@GeordiejesterTV]

Its always ManUre fans who complain

[@Smokemeakipper41]

Newcastle would still be dogshit with £b players 😂😂😂

[@maghulled]

The whole economy of football will be a mess. The value of the clubs potentially being sold, the value of players, the wages of the players. Whay happens then when you have a Newcastle and city paying out £1 million a week and every signing is £100m. Some of the lesser billionaires owners aren’t necessarily cash rich and it’s not gonna be seen as a good investment to splurge like that but to a city or Newcastle it doesn’t matter. They have a bottomless pit of money. There has to be tight regulation

[@joey3088]

It has everything to do with the 115 charges, purely a tactic to (further) delay and distract the legal resources

[@tf328]

Changing how FFP works would help smaller clubs what city want is nothing but corruption

[@renderxtravels8464]

Nah, we just want a fair go at spending more. Ffp came into play after city came into power. Not fair.

[@Benjalina123]

​@@renderxtravels8464 Because it's such a struggle for you at the minute eh? 😅 GTFO.

[@alistairmonro]

FFP was brought up by the PL to stop a Chelsea happening again. Upsetting the status quo. City want people to be able to spend what they want as long as it's investing and not loans. If a player cost 50m and the contract costs 50m over the course then 100m should be put in by the owners. And protected from being spent elsewhere. It's quite a simple solution.

[@kullysamrah8716]

The rules are basic cross border and taxation rules. A comparable price makes it a fair market.

[@officialkelvinklin3742]

They are scared no spendings no winings

[@MegaBuzzedGaming]

City knows they are wrong.. They are trying to wriggle out of the 115 charges... Its not fair at all on the smaller clubs. If they can't follow the rules they should go and play in a next league in the UAE or somewhere else.

[@rj6657]

D.Bent honestly on man city payroll. Class of 92 no problem Ferguson tractor made a way to plow through

[@user-fh6pj9mw9n]

This could be more destructive than the Super League. Why is there not more outcry? The sustainability of England's football pyramid lies solely on the shoulders of the prem bringing forward a watertight case. This is why nation-states should not own football clubs. Furthermore, it stinks of a play by City to try to beat the 115 charges before November. If they are found guilty they should be relegated. The achievements over the last few years will mean nothing in my books.

[@houstandy1009]

A clubs owner should be able to invest as much money as they want. Allow Newcastle owners to pump as much money as they want into the club. Then to keep things fair say no club can spend more than X in transfers, wages and agent fees. This allows clubs with ambitious owners to catch the likes of ManU up over a period of years and stops a Newcastle from going daft and having a 2 billion transfer kitty. This would be fair but you don’t want it because fair isn’t the name of the game. The name of the game is to keep the big six at the top and stop anyone else crashing the party.

[@brad8204]

Cap the ceiling on spending so every club stays in that limit

[@Greenghost3k]

No need to explain how it would work. City already did it. Nothing they did was based on a fair market value, that’s how we got to this situation. The PL knew this would happen when Chelsea were the club spending like crazy. The PL love all the money coming in.

[@TerribleEnglish]

"Let me start by saying this has nothing to do with the 115 charges.." 😅

[@Redballoon99]

Being able to sponsor yourself for an unlimited amount - over market value is INSANE - and should never be allowed

[@AllyBeee1]

The assumption that this will ruin the league is media driven, it will not. What it will do is allow the balance of power to shift to anyone there to compete instead of just protecting the elite clubs that have all the power. If anyone thinks it is a fair vote, you are wrong, votes are lobbied for, it's like politics. The sad thing is the way things are with PSR stopping anyone else competing against the elite clubs, the best players are no longer wanting to come to the league, we can see already the knock on effect, we are less competitive in Europe this year. If you stop clubs being able to pay top wages and top transfer fees then it will only get worse. PSR should be something that works in the background to make sure owners are fair, not something ruining the game for fans, any kind of success and the following season they are forced to sell their best players, cut price to the elite clubs who maintain all the power, and so it goes on and on til someone questions it. Good luck City.