The Human Cost of Going Green | Bloomberg Investigates

[@R-HQTech]

As a Brazilian, thank you for putting together this investigation and raising awareness to our country. Third world countries can't pay the price forever, it's not sustainable, neither for the people nor for the planet.

[@jimysk8er]

This has nothing to do with ''going green'' and everything to do with greenwashing and accountability. don't blame the demand for green solutions, blame the lack of scrutiny for companies to do the right thing. and you should immediately be skeptical of any company that states that their supply chain is sustainable, almost nothing is sustainable.

[@smokeymacpot76]

exactly right

[@MrEvaschutter]

True...but green solutions like electric cars...most people driving them don't know what is needed for the battery...docu's like these makes you think twice

[@jimysk8er]

@@MrEvaschutter it might make you think twice but the correct choice is still electric. It should be making the manufacturer or government think twice about who gets to extract materials and how. Just because a current process for extraction is dirty it doesn't discredit the technology as a whole. The cheapest way of extracting from the earth is a direct result of capitalism. It should make you think twice about the true cost of everything around you not just a hypothetical footprint of a car that manufacturers and petroleum companies have spent millions of dollars over the past 50 years on marketing to make you think internal combustion engines are the one and only best choice.

[@jdelacruz6854]

This is an industry problem in general. You are using the word green here for clickbait. Aluminum has been used for centuries now. It’s not a “green” material.

[@timkaleb846]

Aluminum is the gold standard of green, due to its ability to be reused when its recycled. But the production of it from raw materials isn’t environmentally friendly. You’re right it has been around for centuries but it was made in limited places which made the contaminations in smaller sectors, but now we produce things on a massive scale which allow the contaminants to overflow and effect larger regions. Not everyone has basic standards like first world countries.

[@LEEHOLMES-gq2gj]

@@timkaleb846 unfortunately nothing is green everything has to be mass produced . and you know who's really to blame. not The Corporation .its US . because we keep buying it if people didn't buy it they won't make it they wouldn't need to mass produce it so it's the people that buy it are to blame because if something is wanted by the consumers us then the corporations would not make it where to blame because we want the stuff stop buying it then it stops getting made !!! then people don't get poisoned . you know I'll talk to the people in my area. And say what do you think the most valuable commodity on earth is always the same answer they say Diamonds gold titanium .... it's not it's water it's food you can't eat gold you can't eat Diamonds you need fresh water if you ain't got fresh water your die its as simple as that people have to wisen up !! just take a little lesson in basic understanding of life and what we really need as humans. Love .understanding. Respect for one another and to lift each other up ✌

[@DiegoMarquesBrazil]

Great work!! Unbeliavable Norway can keep up with that for longer, I'm sure if Norwegians hear about it, they won't let it happen! As a Brazilian, I know how disappointing and slow is our Judicial system

[@Gurci28]

According to a recent study led by José Maria Cardoso da Silva, a professor and biogeographer at the University of Miami College of Arts & Sciences, the Brazilian government, as well as conservation entities and governments around the world, must allocate at least $1.7 to $2.8 billion a year to keep the rainforest thriving. The study also suggests that Brazil must expand its current preservation areas to approximately 865 million acres-about 80 percent of the rainforest. Currently, 51 percent of the Brazilian Amazon rainforest is considered protected land. 1:23 [University of Miami]

[@gutoseixas]

Great doc! I am astonished at how the Norwegian government can pose as the global champion of sustainability and be the major share holder on a toxic wasteland in the heart of the Amazon. I am also curious as why so few people have watched this piece. What shenanigans are you pulling, Google?

[@Evemeister12]

If you want to go green, don't drive a car at all. Think of how many materials have to be extracted and worked on for the manufacturing process. Better access to public transit and cycling, walking on public streets is the way forward.

[@MsJenniferjulia]

First of all: People with money drive (new) cars. And the majority couldn't care less about how others suffer. See the cycle we're in? Governments and capitalism will always prefer money over people. Especially when it concerns poor people and even more when it concerns poor people outside their borders! For many not having a car means no money to raise an income, commute (also expensive!) many hours to go to your job or move to crowded ans polluted areas (cities). Work, eat, sleep, repeat...keeps the world from thinking and grow concience. How convenient. Since cars seem to be a symbol of status, we want them more, bigger, newer and ...without any need.

[@thycatalyst]

It is a consumption problem, nothing but unfettered consumption without consideration of where it comes from or goes.

[@djayjp]

This has nothing to do with "going green"....

[@Reinturtle]

ah but on average electric cars use 10% more aluminium... (and probably not even really because they are electric, but because they are newer) You're right I have no clue how they came up with that connection haha

[@ecoideazventures6417]

Yes, mining is a dirty business and green business uses more of some metals. But it is clearly a biased view to say going green caused all this pollution!

[@gleitsonSalles]

@@Reinturtle They use more aliminium, more cobalt, more lithium and many other rare earths. What is your point? and 10% more aluminium is a HUGE increase in an world that produces 80 million new vehicles per year.

[@Reinturtle]

@@gleitsonSalles well yes, but they didn't talk about lithium and cobalt in this video. moreover the aluminium industry is surely a lot bigger than just for automotive

[@jimysk8er]

@@gleitsonSalles you have no idea how big and horrible the steel industry is..... concrete too

[@Buildings1772]

This is rediculious. As though aluninium mining wasnt going on well before our transition away from fossil fuels. Why is this falsly linked to the transition away from fosil fuels but there is no talk of the impacts of coal mining or oil extraction or fracking ect.

[@markh7288]

We have a responsibility to ensure that these activities are done in a more responsible manner. The worst thing that will happen for green industries will be for them to be seen as destructive!

[@Buildings1772]

What does aluminium mining have todo with going green? Didn't we make planes out of aluminium long before the the shift away from CO2 emitting power sources started?

[@hugsun5918]

@@Buildings1772 It's a bit of a stretch but EVs require more aluminium (as stated in the video) than traditional vehicles. I think EVs are a farce. The only real way to reduce environmental impact is a significant reduction in the usage of and demand for cars.

[@JadeMythriil]

@@hugsun5918 This ☝️ Mining resources for EVs isn't clean and you're just trading one pollution type (air emissions) for another (land and water contamination).

[@christinakrachtoudi5098]

Why is this not viral??

[@Cr0uch1ng71g3r]

Clicked to see what's green, found out it's a car, laughed at the joke and left.. a comment also

[@w00dyalien]

Alarming... and that irony keeps repeating, it's not unique, it's already the "system"... Frustrating...

[@elizabethhagman1984]

Great program. Thanks. I feel pity for the people. It is skandal. The government should pay a new houses for the poor people. The rich company count money as usual. Terrible

[@navinsingh5819]

And yet we wonder why the human population is decreasing.

[@SuperLeodk]

Congratulations on your reporting. I hope it will trigger some change.

[@kristensorensen2219]

What a load of unfounded accusations.

[@GregoXWK4225]

Why can China and Australia benefit from the pollution of mining and the people who live in the Amazon cannot ? If the world wants to keep the forest intact, the other countries will have to pay the full price, and it is not cheap.

[@Parker307]

So because other countries destroyed their environment, caused the extinction of species and poisoned their people you want to follow that example and do the same in your country? Since China killed off all their river dolphins then you would like to do that too. Since Australia has worked to burn all the coal and change the climate to much of their land is uninhabitable you would like to make your land uninhabitable too.

[@ransilusamadhith5901]

Propaganda by oil & gas mafia

[@billyflores3360]

The people of this town could’ve lived off the land comfortably, but their greed lead them to see only dollar bills….thats when you know brother wanted the land so bad they laid lie after lie to destroy the land

[@bapak321bapak]

Amazon 💀

[@Gurci28]

The World's GDP is $95 trillion as of 2022 10:30

[@bapak321bapak]

@@Gurci28 💀

[@Gurci28]

At 46.6% forest cover, Brazil is the most forested and most biodiverse country in the world. Two-thirds of the Amazon Rainforest lies within Brazilian territory, which has one of the highest rates of biodiversity on Earth, including 10-20% of all known species. It is known to house 13% of all animal species and 20.8% of all plant species, many of which are endemic to Brazil. The Amazon is one of Earth's last refuges for jaguars, harpy eagles, and pink river dolphins, and it is home to sloths, black spider monkeys, and poison dart frogs. It contains one in 10 known species on Earth, 40,000 plant species, 3,000 freshwater fish species, and more than 370 types of reptiles. The Jaguar (Panthera onca) is the largest cat in the Americas and the world's third largest feline. 10:55 [Rainforest Foundation US; World Wildlife Fund]

[@bapak321bapak]

@@Gurci28 💀💀

[@Gurci28]

Occupying almost 40 percent of South America and encompassing the territory of nine countries, the magnitude of such natural haven extends over 1.4 billion acres of land, of which around 60 percent are located in Brazil. 12:34 [Statista]

[@hugsun5918]

what are these random out of context citations of yours?

[@arxsyn]

Yes l do understand the "green choices" we make have an effect. Like mining lithium. There's a cost to everything. I'm sad though we are still hurting mother Earth. Surely we can do better than this

[@smokeymacpot76]

dont worry..i fully know that those green ideas come with a impact to the poorest and most under-developed nations causing starvation and hardship among them

[@JuanPablodelaTorre]

What about all this is about "going green"? This sounds like the exact opposite.

[@Gurci28]

A new study shows that conserving 350 million hectares (865 million acres) of the Brazilian Amazon - 83% of the biome - would cost between $1.7 billion and $2.8 billion a year. To convert around 80% of the Brazilian Amazon into environmental conservation areas would cost Brazil just over half of what the European Union spends to maintain all of its own conservation areas. Hectare for hectare, it would work out hundreds of times cheaper. 3:21 [Mongabay]

[@hugsun5918]

The implication is that this mining operation is supplying materials to things like the F150 lightning which is advertised as a greener alternative.

[@mack-uv6gn]

Trading one dirty energy source for another 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@mikerock8177]

We should go back to glass bottles for everything

[@solarlight10]

:)

[@martinmeier9639]

Can't see any Ford F-150 buyer giving a f#%k

[@somerandomfella]

We can only change this mess we're in by not updating cars every 2 years, not buying fast fashion, fast furniture and reducing meat & seafood consumption.

[@samsonsoturian6013]

There really is no pleasing ecoterrorists, is there?

[@design.dmitri]

The first world demands more, bigger, cheaper. And there are more and more joining. Their overconsumption will never become suddenly sustainable through substitutes. I see no change in the exploitation chain. It’s either gonna continue as is, or it all collapses.

[@MusicaX79]

So the the solution is to find a use for the byproduct?

[@blank.9301]

Ecosia

[@BOZ_11]

You cannot improve your plight working for Anglo America or any distant foreigner. Nations need strong links with their neighbours.

[@alexandarvoncarsteinzarovi3723]

HANZ, release the nanite swarm killers,

[@LapinskasDarius]

What the problem? Why Brazil does not take care about their Amazon? Do everybody in the world have to worry about Amazon that do not belong to them?

[@JuanPablodelaTorre]

Considering it captures a great amount of the CO2 we produce. I would say we all should care about it.

[@LapinskasDarius]

@@JuanPablodelaTorre so don't use cars and ride the horse. dont use anything that is "green" or not "green" at all.

[@luc_libv_verhaegen]

Clickbait junk. This is about aluminium, and aluminium is an important metal that has high demand with or without a green economy. Schame on you bloomberg.

[@samhianblackmoon]

🔥👍🏽

[@daspicsman]

The amount of energy that goes into making aluminum is ridiculous. People don’t WANT to know what goes into their products. Because they only care about what it costs me right now. And they only care about that because the world has become a money making machine and you have to pay to play.

[@Gabriel-uc5cq]

Queremos resposta ao nosso grito de socorro, estamos morrendo aos olhos do mundo todo agora.

[@lil----lil]

Lulu...what are you doing? Kissing up to Winnie? A waste of my vote!

[@robertshelton3796]

Not gonna lie, poisoning Hispanics doesn't bother me much

[@ergerg2]

You're in common company, and that's the problem. It doesn't seem to bother anyone much.

[@anastasiaogloff8715]

This documentary is full of hyperbole and extreme language - a big red flag that it's unscientific, biased, and therefore unreliable. Certainly, mining in 2nd and 3rd world countries is done at lower environmental standards than mines in 1st world countries. This documentary therefore makes a strong case to conduct mining in places like Canada, USA, or Norway itself instead of taking advantage of countries with low environmental standards. The birth defects aren't typical of alumina, lead, or mercury poisoning... instead sound more like a bad batch of immunization shots.

[@babbathehat2919]