The Hunt For The Lost Survivors Of Carthage | Lost Warriors

Combing through the Amazon wilderness, archeologists made an amazing discovery: artifacts of ancient seafaring people from the Iberian Peninsula. They may have fled the carnage of the Roman Empire's war on Carthage, called by some historians the Roman holocaust. This documentary investigates the claim that South America was discovered and settled by Mediterranean peoples over 2,000 years ago.
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[@willem1642]

My theory: we underestimate the skills and ingenuity of ancient peoples.

[@paintedwings74]

Yep. We also underestimate the cultural arrogance of Euro-centric scientists, who would love to attribute all the truly brilliant inventions of the Americas to their own European ancestors. I do not mean that cultural exchange could not have taken place, but if so, there were many periods of time when Europeans would have had as much or more to learn from the people of the American continents, and exchange in that direction would be evident if anyone was looking. Instead, any skills learned from the nations of the Americas would swiftly be absorbed and then attributed to their own ingenuity.

[@michaeldavid6832]

We are a much softer version of humanity than they. Of course we'd think they wouldn't have the will or skill to do it. Imagine even just the minimal survival skills of early man. They make us look like idiots. How many of us could create our own stone spears, organize a hunting party and take down a mammoth? We believe we're superior to them but it's only because we can use what the very most rare geniuses have invented, not because of any special abilities beyond our ancestors. If all modern technology and knowledge same was wiped away, most of humanity would be ded in less than a month. Of those who remained, most of those would be ded within a year. The one's who remained wouldn't even know how to quickly start fires much less re-invent bronze and iron. The inventions which were used to create the pyramids were tech we only re-invented in the last couple hundred years. Circular saws that cut granite. Lathes and other machine tools that cut perfect angles and perfectly smooth -- on the hardest of stone. Devices which could move hundreds of tons at once and do it over and over again. Our ancestors were much more than we've been told. Our brains haven't changed in 300,000 years (at latest discovery). To believe that only in the last 4000 years we suddenly invented and discovered everything is pure hubris.

[@willem1642]

@@paintedwings74 The Euros are actually Africans who invaded the continent 40,000 years ago and the Americans are actually Asians who migrated 14, 000 years ago. Dates are approximate.

[@paintedwings74]

@@michaeldavid6832 so much truth in what you've said. I love what Jared Diamond talked about with the intelligence of aboriginal people of today's world. They were the most intelligent people he'd ever encountered, and he thought this was the reason: Europeans with domesticated animals started to experience high rates of lethal diseases (which came from mutations of viruses that their animals carried), so that over a few thousands of years, the main survival trait for humans in Africa, Asia, and Europe was disease-resistance. Meanwhile, non-agricultural societies, where people faced more risk from their environment, were most likely to die if they failed to learn QUICKLY what those hazards were. Observe the land for signs of predators; learn every poisonous plant and food plant before you're old enough to leave your parents side; memorize vast quantities of culturally-important information of the type that city-dwellers never have to learn, because that memorization is foisted off onto "government". I can speak from personal experience--once I started teaching myself ancestral skills such as foraging, leather-making, and creating useful items from natural materials (strong cordage, birch bark tool handles, etc.), my brain went BERSERK with making new neuron-connections! Foraging for mushrooms is a learning curve best approached from the curiosity side, not the food-seeking side; in my first year I encountered over 100 species in one small woodland, about ten of which were edible and five of those impossible to confuse with something inedible. I learned four or five foods in depth per year, and after 9 years I'm still looking for new wild foods I've never tried to harvest before. Just a few days ago, I harvested a sack full of an inedible seed, which can be processed to make food ... but I'm not sure how, yet. As for fire, I've made my own fire-bow, which is really cool to demonstrate to kids, but not quite mastered to the point of making a sustainable fire! And I'll still die if civilization collapses. My immune system may handle diseases well, but my aboriginal intelligence can't compensate for all the other things we're so inept at doing.

[@echanungas7768]

And attribute their accomplishments to aliens.

[@Daylon91]

Respect to that women who did it in 90 days by herself

[@thomgizziz]

As opposed to the person who did it in 52 days... why would 90 be impressive? Does everybody have brain rot and thinks sexism is okay? We are all equal, right? Or is it only good to scream for equality when it is accepted and you will get praise for it?

[@Daylon91]

@@thomgizziz7432 who did it in 52 days? Respect to them as well. Feats of skill I'm interested in not bloated bs. Plus women are weaker than men both mentally and physically, so a woman doing it by herself is impressive. I couldn't do that by myself but then again I've never trained for it

[@JungleJargon]

I was raised in the Amazon Jungle along the banks of the Amazon river. I used to walk several paces from my back door and dig out pottery from the dark black soil. Some of it did have those designs in them but they were severely weathered by the Amazon rain forest and found in pieces. I heard that other people found better samples. I tried going back there to find more pottery after I was older but I didn't have much time to spend and the samples that I found were extremely weathered. I am from the area that was mistakenly called Puraque or Puraquequara by my English speaking teachers. The correct spelling should have been Poraquiquara. To this day the entire world thinks that the electric eel from the area is called Puraque. I remember asking some of the old timers of the area if they knew about Puraquequara and they would reply in their caboclo dialect that yes, they did know about Por aqua quara... meaning around here electric eel. I thought they were mispronouncing the name of the place but it turns out that they were more correct that I was. Now you know where the word Puraque came from.

[@larsrons7937]

Thank you for your input, that was an interesting contribution.

[@unchargedpickles6372]

I imagine small groups of humans from all over made it all over. There are stories of explorers seeing a blonde haired blue eyed kid w the native American kids, dressed the same, playing on a river bank deep inland in north America on a "1st expedition". He was probably just a Viking kid whose family settled w a tribe they got along with. I imagine people randomly showed up on shorelines all over the world in small groups all the time and it wasn't quite as unusual as we assume.

[@olliefoxx7165]

In Canada there are Viking settlements that predated Columbus. They definitely interacted with natives.

[@chriscarrol9373]

There are albinos all over the world.

[@SOP83]

I tend to agree. I think most every race/culture migrated unthinkable distances to atleast some extent. This is not shown in history because they were likely small percentages and either died off or were assimilated into other cultures. I also tend to think peoples were in the americas more than 50,000 years ago. There just weren't enough of them to leave a big/obvious mark on the land for us to discover today.

[@JJoy-bk8yr]

If only a few blue eyed Viking (or Keltish) explorers (all men) settled into a native village where everyone had brown eyes and the explores producd children eith brown eyed women, all of their children would be brown eyed but would carry the recessive blue eyed gene. In the next generation blue eyed children could appear, and that could continue happening for countless generations to come. If both a mom and dad have brown eyes but carry a recessive gene for blue eyes, every child they have together has a 25% chance of having blue eyes. If they have a big family, most of the kids will have brown eyes but it is possible some will have blue eyes. So the blonde blue eyed kid might have been a full sibling of the others, but both parents were carrying the genes for blue eyes and blond hair from European ancestors, recent or not - could have been from both of their dads or from distant ancestors many generations ago. Probably from many generations before, I think.

[@crhu319]

Most "explorers" are fleeing refugees.

[@drpepperr]

String of speculations delivered in dulcet tones by that voice we are trained to trust.

[@wewenang5167]

yup speculation.

[@purrumaucca]

HotAir....huff and puff form EuroCentric Germans. Surely the indigenous people of america were incapable af creating anything....

[@uncannyvalley2350]

Argument from incredulity, also known as argument from personal incredulity, appeal to common sense, or the divine fallacy, is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition must be false because it contradicts one's personal expectations or beliefs, or is difficult to imagine.

[@grahamparrington]

And the liberal use of personal incredulity that indigenous peoples could do monumental works smacks of latent racism.

[@googiegress7459]

Pretty simple, they rushed Optics and loaded a Scout onto a Caravel, sailed west, and about a dozen turns later hit the American coast and popped a goodie hut that gave them a Settler.

[@drakonos79]

This. And the Romans couldn't follow them because their viewable area didn't extend past the Pillars of Hercules, while the Carthaginians already could see up to the Canary Islands. Got to love the FoW.

[@DamianRucci]

😂😂😂

[@stguitar9816]

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[@jeraldbaxter3532]

And the award for best wit of the day goes to you! I must remember Kuddof and Mayhav, the next time I am at my favorite coffee shop and the alien lizard \ tinfoil hat man sits down at my table, uninvited, and starts yapping away. Thank you!

[@karensinclair2043]

@@jeraldbaxter3532 How about Hocuspo Cuss, the famous aboriginal (Amerindian?, Australian?, Indonesian? mystic)

[@uncannyvalley2350]

Argument from incredulity, also known as argument from personal incredulity, appeal to common sense, or the divine fallacy, is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition must be false because it contradicts one's personal expectations or beliefs, or is difficult to imagine.

[@dariusgreysun]

@@uncannyvalley2350 Reductio ad absurdem much?

[@uncannyvalley2350]

@@dariusgreysun Bolshevik, bull, civic-minded, demagogue), a person who gains political power by appealing to individuals feeling's instincts, & prejudices in a fashion that is considered manipulative & myopic; an individual who incessantly reiterates equivalent petty issues, until these are generally taken seriously _"There are citizens with valid complaints & issues, but invariably the meeting will have to deal with some Bullshivic & his personal gripe of "supreme importance"_

[@danielmcelroy8533]

How many ships were borne across the Atlantic by storms? It seems pretty likely that more than a few vessels barely survived the journey, leading the crews to be grateful they found land, but no way to get back. Assimilating with the people they found makes a lot of sense, hence them passing along skills they had by using them at the time, but probably didn't last past them due to language barriers.

[@InternetMameluq]

You know that's how brasil was created? It's not a settler colony, but a naturally formed outpost that grew over time. The word 'Brasil' comes from the Brasilwood which is obviously a ship construction material.

[@maistooo]

@JewWorldOrder666 Cannibals don't eat everyone they see around or they will end up being alone.

[@cortrichards8179]

Exactly! Logic prevails. Thanks for the reply.

[@markaxworthy2508]

You are missing the point. The claim is not that a few vessels barely survived the journey. The claim is that ships of Old World civilizations arrived in sufficient numbers and in a sufficiently organized way to penetrate the Americas deeply and have a profound effect on local civilizations. There is zero evidence that a few shipwrecked, presumably entirely male, sailors ever arrived, let alone brought high-end Old World skills with them.

[@cortrichards8179]

@@markaxworthy2508 There is a lot of evidence, not zero. No one is missing any point, Mark. You have your own opinion, that is all. Probably not a great idea to tell people they are wrong in their beliefs, and that you are the eminent authority of all things regarding ancient North and South American History. Not sure how you have come to the conclusion that everyone except yourself is wrong, and that all other people in the world have no clue what they are talking about. You might want to read a few more books and expand your thinking a bit. By perpetuating old and likely very wrong Historical narratives, you are basically telling other people that they have no idea what they talking about, and that you of all people, know everything there is to know about our planet.

[@ionidhunedoara1491]

Prof. Giffhorn would do well to investigate the Azores, a likely stopover for Carthaginians on their way to the Americas.

[@ribbitgoesthedoglastnamehe4681]

A very unlikely place, its very far from anywhere, at the longest possible route, with the worst possible weather. You can use that route only once every 4 years. Thats why the portuguese never reached america that way.

[@himoffthequakeroatbox4320]

Only if they had steam power. Reach the Azores with a sail and you're going back to Europe. Also, they're in a straight line with Canada, not Brazil.

[@AtmaureanNoble7]

Check out the information of the 21st Dutchess of Medina Sidonia Luisa Isabel Alvarez de Toledo y Maura your definitely going in the right direction.

[@mickvonbornemann3824]

Here we go again (for some reason the edit function isn’t working for me) There’s apparently a bay in Brazil called the Bay of Amporae, because of the large numbers of Roman amphorae found on the sea floor of the Bay

[@floydsadler3559]

Crazy Horse, the great Lakota war chief who’s mother and father never had contact with or even seen whites until after his birth, was born with red wavy hair, white complexion and was much taller and more muscular. That was the reason Crazy Horse kept his self from the rest of his community. The reason there are no photos of him taken was because of his shame if not looking the rest of his people. His war shirt is still on display in the Parmalee mission in SD and the shirt is adorned with locks of his own hair, red and wavy.

[@melinda6024]

my grandmother was Lakota, her hair was reddish and very straight and shiny. Her nine children were all either redheads or blondes, as their dad was mostly northern European. In genetics, sometimes you never know what you're gonna get! Sometimes the children look nothing like their own parents. BTW, I have wavy brown hair with natural blonde streaks, i tan very easily. I'm only part Lakota, but I cherish the Native Americans who are my ancestors. I'm sure some of my ancestors were at Little Big Horn. In later years, the Lakota were put on reservations in Missouri, where in 1898, my Grandmother was born.

[@mver191]

Maybe he was some kind of albino.

[@bluesky6985]

Compendium of World History is a PDF check it out

[@thinkandrepent3175]

​@@melinda6024Lakota are some of the most beautiful people God created.

[@kcck7588]

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[@hannibalbarca8411]

3 days ago i was standing on the hill of sidi theif facing the bay of tunis and over looking the sea route that leads to the carthaginian port... I was there for like 1 hour just staring at the sea imagining the Carthaginian navy making his way through the waves with the voices of thounsands of worriors yelling and going to war . It was an iconic view especially with the foggy mountains in the distance and the chilling view

[@JulzOrtiz-yh3zc]

Oyy

[@doodoopoopoo1997]

did you also imagine the romans pillaging and salting the land? cuz they did

[@sammyrnaj]

Thank you for a fascinating documentary. The Carthaginians, Phoenician/Canaanites of origin, my Ancestors, as a Lebanese today, confirmed many facts regarding our ancient culture. Anthropologists confirm that contrary to conventional belief, we go back as far as 12,000years BC. We did not only navigate the seas, but the wildest rivers as well. When in Brazil back in 1987, I was informed by Indian/Brazilians from Paranà that my ancestors were the 1st light-skinned people to visit & trade with their ancestors. They visited all Brazil & they even left traces in the surrounding hills wherever they went. They were welcomed because they did not come to colonize them, but to trade & share their skills. They integrated with them, because they stayed for long periods since maritime travels were seasonal. There is so much to share with you, but not enough time to write. I was amazed by so many stories they shared with me, that I never knew from my history! Thank you, once again.

[@vpspad880]

The Aztec history stated that a lighter skinned man with a hooked nose, typical of the Lebanese man. shared his knowledge of architecture and astronomy. That is probably why the Aztec pyramids resemble the Egyptian pyramids. The oldest advanced ancient structure, which predates the Egyptian pyramids, is in Balbeck Lebanon. In fact, King Solomon asked the King of the Phoenician city of Tyre for his masons and architects, inorder to build the first Jewish Temple. Years ago, they found tobacco, which is only indigenous to the Americas, in an Egyptian sarcophagus. This was the result of the ancient seafaring traders of the world aka the Phoenicians, who had hidden knowledge of the seas. In fact, there are recently exposed structures and caves in the US with Phoenician writing. BTW: Both the Hebrew and Aramaic languages stemmed from the pagan Phoenician alphabet.

[@jamesdolan4042]

He did mention that the Celtic Iberians were among the warriors of the city/state of Carthage. Also the symbols found on the rocks in Peru, South America are the same or similar to those of Celtic origin. Additionally there is a belief that pale skin peoples scattered in villages throughout primarily Peru are of Celtic origin.

[@sammyrnaj]

@@vpspad880 Thank you for sharing more knowledge. You are absolutely right about Hebrew & Aramaic. I am told by Maronite priests that Syriac is also close to Hebrew & Aramaic. In fact, before the Moslem Expansion, Aramaic was our national language in Lebanon.

[@sammyrnaj]

@@jamesdolan4042 Perhaps it slipped me when I heard Celtic. But adding Iberians to it, completes the circle. Thank you for pointing it out.

[@etemytradel4509]

I was deep in the Mexican jungle at a archeological Mayan site and I found a hezzbolla flag!

[@fredcaveman3892]

Great documentary. It shows we are all related - we are all sisters and brothers. Stop fighting.

[@farokudahitam]

You forget family members often abuse and murder each other

[@orchunter8388]

Wha you want some? Put up them dukes I don’t like your tone.

[@honkytonk4465]

that's quite naive

[@randysavage1]

When your brother is fighting you. You fight back or lose...

[@elvenleaf5589]

No we are not

[@KGTiberius]

DNA analysis of the petrous bone in the skulls buried in the buildings should be used. Also DNA analysis of other animal, bacterial, viral, plant/seeds. 1994 tests of mtDNA discovered Native American haplogroups A,B,C, and D (other than the most prevalent Q haplogroup) have been found in precolumbian DNA. Rice dna has also been used to show migration patterns. Also ancient Japanese anchors in the Channel Islands of California. Lots to discover via DNA (beyond human remains) to help tell the story.

[@rsr789]

Exactly! a 1500 or 200 year old skeleton would tell quite a tell thanks to DNA.

[@jimbarth9859]

I specifically came to the comments to see if anyone had information about whether they have done so. I can't tell for sure when this was made but I see it was posted 3 weeks ago. Of course it is still possible that there was some spread of culture from the eastern to the Western hemisphere from the Carthaginians or Celts even if there is no Eastern Hemisphere DNA. After a couple decades sharing their culture they may have been wiped out along with any descendants. It just seems odd that there is no reference to DNA testing at the point of the video I'm watching. Mummies exposed to the elements. For god sakes, get them to the lab🤣

[@susannadzejachok1247]

I am wanting a study of chicken genetics.

[@jimbarth9859]

@Tigerbear Monkeyman thank you. I think I made my comment before seeing the very end where they referenced it.

[@keiranp0dbenn559]

​@@susannadzejachok1247 DNA testing will never solve the "Which came first," dilemma! It's one of those "We'll never know puzzles!" 😉 😁 😄 😁 ☝️!☘POD🍀🤔?

[@Sh_tstain]

I would imagine that the 4 or 5 main currents of the worlds oceans played a big part in the "accidental colonization" or mingling of ethnicities that we are unearthing recently.

[@olliefoxx7165]

I remember watching a documentary about the toxicology findings on Egyptian mummies. They found traces of cocoa leafs in their bodies. This is only found in South America. In Thor Heyrdahls book "Kon Tikki" described circular stone homes seen in certain parts of Central America that were identical to homes found in Britain. There was most definitely knowledgeable of the New World in ancient times.

[@emmetsweeney9236]

Exactly. The evidence for ancient transatlantic contact is becoming overwhelming. I've recently produced a short KZbin video on the cocaine mummies.

[@straya4837]

I think I saw that too. The round houses found up very high & with much evidence of these two peoples coming together, but also seemingly in hiding from some external force.

[@TaraBodhi1]

In the Victorian period it was very common for aristocrats to own Egyptian artifacts, subsequenty the artefacts (inc mummies) were subjected to copious amounts of tobacco, cocaine, laudanum and other modern european medicines and habits. When a person wants to find somethng they can, faces in clouds, meanings in dreams and now Cartheginians in Brazil. There are many people who succumb to this and many more who create evidence to support unsubstantiated claims for personal gain - think of the Piltdown man. As a famous man once said "Seek and you shall find" I am not saying there was not early transatlantic contact - I'm saying this hypothesis is not evidence of it. In my educated view, the West Indian Coast and the Persian Gulf is far more likely to hold a wealth of amazing discoveries that would deem Catal Hayuk, Goebeleki Tepe, Ur etc modern. 😉

[@olliefoxx7165]

@@TaraBodhi1 The samples I saw were not taken from someone's private collection. The people that did the analysis are trained professionals that know about such things as cross contamination. Of course, you do bring up valid points and that's something people have to keep in mind. There is now substantial evidence from multiple sources that the ancients did know of the New World. Why this knowledge wasn't wide spread is intriguing.

[@sammyrnaj]

Ah, Thor Heyerdahl like all Scandinavians knew very much about the Phoenicians. True, the Romans were the 1st to colonize Britain, but that was only after they found out that the Phoenicians were mining in the area of Wales for centuries, to mint their currency in coins at the time.

[@chrisbrent7487]

Someone was definitely travelling to North America a long time before Columbus or Vikings as float copper from Michigan has turned up on ancient shipwrecks on the bottom of the Mediterranean. There is also evidence of huge amounts having been mined pre-European settlement and very little was still in North America. South America is not a stretch at all. There is also a Carthaginian or Phoenecian coin that shows the Americas.

[@billwilson3609]

Archeologists have determined that the natives were mining the native copper deposits by Lake Superior when the Egyptians were building the Pyramids then suddenly stopped a few thousand years later. They found evidence that the region suffered a severe prolonged drought that lasted for hundreds of years so figured that the knowledge of the deposits and how to work the metal was forgotten after the tribes moved elsewhere. They have no real idea of how much those ancient natives mined due to early settlers surface mining the same deposits to make some quick money.

[@MrBottlecapBill]

@@billwilson3609 No copper mining in north America went on up until European contact. It's literally mentioned in the journals of explorers. They never stopped using it completely, just stopped using it as often. No North American copper has ever been found anywhere outside of the Americas. Even the analysis of the axe in this video is highly suspect. Nobody even in the ancient world made axes of 60 percent copper and 40% zinc. That's otherwise known as brass. Too soft for an axe head but used often for decorative pieces or coins etc due to it's resistance to tarnishing. Nobody ever made weapons out of brass in history as far as I know of.

[@acmebrainsurgery]

@@MrBottlecapBill Bottlecapbill, not to seem critical, but commas are important. "No copper mining in north America went on up until European contact" means the exact opposite of 'No, copper mining in north America went on up until European contact', which is what I believe you meant. 🙂

[@susannadzejachok1247]

@@billwilson3609 l was up there and they said white people mined the copper and traded a little of it with the natives.

[@thomgizziz]

@@MrBottlecapBill People from the west have been in the americas for 500 years. That is plenty of time for a decorative axe to be taken and sold in the americas. But somehow the simplest explanation is eluding people because they want to believe that they are special and better than other stupid people.

[@shainemaine1268]

Thanks, this was a real treat.

[@RogerS1978]

They probably broke the stems off the pipes so they could hold them in their teeth while working, was a common practice in the UK where found skeleton's actually show a groove worn in the teeth that fit's the pipe.

[@moodyrick8503]

Yes indeed. The large numbers found also represents the fact they were made of clay & easily broken, and were therefore inexpensive & easily replaced as well.

[@RogerS1978]

@@moodyrick8503 often here the pipes were supplied with the tobacco pre-packed and relatively disposable as well.

[@primrose1959]

Human nature has always been to travel, nothing said here strikes me as unusual.

[@chrisnedbalek2866]

9:22, 9:41. Janice Jakait rowed across the Atlantic in 90 days by herself. Unbelievable woman!

[@garymaidman625]

On a high-tech 'row boat', not a Phoenician ship. Not exactly a scientific experiment.

[@jomama5186]

Love your content. Such good brain food. Thank you, thaank you, thank you !!!

[@williamegler8771]

Why do people assume that the indigenous peoples were unable to develop the technology needed to make leaps forward? Technological advances in the Old World did the same thing.

[@olliefoxx7165]

Bc they only developed to a certain level and not beyond. They didn't even have the wheel.

[@bradhenaire180]

The phrase ‘simple natives’ made me roll my eyes

[@purrumaucca]

No beasts of burden...try wheeling anythind around the inca trail.

[@williamegler8771]

@@olliefoxx7165 Your wrong. They did have the wheel but the never domesticated an animal large enough to exploit the wheel. Evidence of them using the wheel is found from South America up to the Mississippi Mound Builders. True they were only used on toys and other small items but they did know about the wheel. They also used rollers to move heavy building materials. They also developed metalworking writing and advanced construction methods just like the Old World did. They also had advanced agricultural methods that yielded higher output per square meter than any of the farming methods in the Old World.

[@olliefoxx7165]

@@williamegler8771 I'm aware that there were toys found in Mexico with wheels. Hieroglyphs aren't the same as written language. You don't need a domesticated animal to pull a cart with wheels. The Incas domesticated the Llama. There were civilizations in Central and South America that had metal working, masonry, Hieroglyphs, advanced farming, etc.... That's true, they were impressive. I'm not trying to take anything away from their advancements. However, they reached a certain level and collapsed or stagnated. Perhaps there wasn't the constant exchange of information between civilizations like their was on the continents of Europe, Asia and Africa.

[@pasajerojuan3821]

Excellent documentary

[@dawnbowra8885]

Loved this documentary. ❤

[@CheerfulDragon703]

Incredibly interesting. Having explored Kuelap and other fortresses in Peru, Kuelap Is VERY different. Thank you for this documentary.

[@stringpicker5468]

The Phoenicians care thought to have sailed around Africa. It is not great leap to imagine that their Carthaginian heirs could not achieve the journey. But, there is a big leap from could to did.

[@mnk9073]

The main difference is that sailing down the coast of Africa as Hanno did or up the Atlantic coast as Himilco and Pytheas of Massalia did is "easy" since you follow a coastline which provides ample opportunities to resupply and more or less accurately figure out where you are as well as a safe way back. Crossing the open Atlantic on the other hand means weeks if not months in the middle of nothing where you have no idea where you are nor where your destination is. It's the same reson the Azores haven't been properly settled or weren't part of any trade networks since sailing to them was like aiming for a needle in a haystack without a way of knowing your own position. Keep in mind, that the first workable compass dates to 10th or 11th century China and dead reconning, piloting or celestial navigation without a time keeper, astrolabium and quadrant don't work in unfamiliar waters.

[@stringpicker5468]

@@mnk9073 All true of course, but the Vikings didn pretty well and they were still in the same hemisphere, so Polaris and the like were still usable. And there are points from which, if you get storm trapped, N America is where you wind up. That is the basis of journey of Bjarni Herjolfsson, the forerunner of Leif Ericsson. But as I said it is a leap from could to did. I mean Columbus was probably following Basque stories and in any case he was near 500n years post Viking. Cheers

[@westho7314]

The history of seafaring cultures & migrating colonizing people surely goes back much farther than academia's standards suggest. Land based civilizations depended on abundant man power to create & build and sustain the incredible empires whose remains still exist.. Studying war and weapons and the patterns of destruction left by conquest and colonization often built over and recreated in their own favorable styles by the victors seems to dominate history,, Sea faring people could be free of land locked cultures living in continual war & in turmoil, The ability to sail away and look for that mythical paradise free of warlords and empires was likely inspiration enough to keep these seafaring peoples afloat & exploring.

[@emilianocaprili4160]

Having read "L'America dimenticata" (The forgotten America) of Lucio Russo and "L'oceano degli Antichi" (The ocean of the old ones) of Elio Cadelo, I think there shouldn't be doubts about the fact the Romans, Greeks, Carthaginians and Celts did know about the America.

[@MMK86]

I agree, also in Plato's Timaeus, when his ancestor, Solon, meets with an ancient Egyptian priest (approx 2500 years ago) there is mention of a land mass to the west of the Azores islands in the Atlantic.

[@ch0wned]

I've always wondered... but I've never heard this theory precisely.

[@jessepollard7132]

Not absolutely impossible, but common interaction didn't happen.

[@lionelhutz5137]

Beyond the pillars of Hercules

[@pinkypink5161]

The story of Columbus is just that a story. I think he was actually sent to reestablish trade with the Americas. Something terrible happened in the Americas shortly after the fall of Rome.

[@bdcochran01]

"I imagine small groups of humans from all over made it all over. " Absolutely! Happens all the time. My late wife and I walked into Afghanistan from Iran. We walked through the Khyber Pass to Pakistan. Not many westerners do the Khyber Pass. My count was about 60 westerners crossing by foot into Afghanistan from Iran on the day we walked in. This was at one of probably just two main crossing points. I saw migrating camel caravans in Afghanistan and western Communist China as well. One day in crossing from a Greek island to the Turkish mainland, I met "Joe". American citizen. He had taken one year to walk from the Mediterranean Sea to the Union of South Africa. This year, walking in my neighborhood in west Los Angeles, I spoke in French to a Lebanon national and a native from Gabon in Africa.

[@junglie]

travel is the best education for sure.

[@ericmccarty2369]

Interesting story.

[@Siba-zb7dk]

Not comparable 😅

[@amariner5]

Sounds like my old neighborhood in Los Angeles.

[@teovu5557]

@@amariner5 lmao

[@SteveC38]

Nice Work!

[@jaixzz]

13:27 The ground rock engraving has the same concentric circular shape as if it were a model of the merchant port at ancient carthage. The topology of the port is ably simulated nrar the start of this footage. It's easy to imagine the engraver proving his carthaginian origins in response to a challenge. Priceless work, this analysis. Love it.

[@jaixzz]

'The topology... **near** the start... '

[@robwalker4548]

sure lets pick one of the worlds most basic shapes in all time and assume all are based on the merchant port at ancient carthage.

[@markaxworthy2508]

A circle is a circle everywhere, not just in Carthage's naval harbour. The claim is not that a few occasional vessels from the Old World survived the journey to the Americas. The claim is that ships of Old World civilizations arrived in sufficient numbers and in a sufficiently organized way to penetrate the Americas deeply and have a profound effect on local civilizations. There is zero evidence that a few shipwrecked, presumably entirely male, sailors ever arrived, let alone brought high-end Old World skills with them. No Carthaginians. Next....?

[@tomkratman4415]

The rating of a ship, trireme, quadrareme, quinquereme, does not refer to the number of banks of oars on a side, but to the number of rowers seated in one rowing space on one side. Thus, for example, a quinquereme might have two banks of oars, with 2 men rowing on the lower bank and three on the higher.

[@arealassassin]

Thank you for that clarification.

[@tomkratman4415]

@@arealassassin No sweat. For further reading I recommend Admiral William L. Rogers Greek and Roman Naval Warfare, as well as Naval Warfare Under Oars.

[@patsabol8699]

Thank you for this info. It makes more sense than what I was picturing in my mind ( the ships would have been sitting very high out of the water ). Also, I appreciate the book recommendation.

[@tomkratman4415]

@@patsabol8699 No sweat.

[@cruisepaige]

Banks of men*

[@a.t.6657]

Great Work, Thank you.

[@NotSomeJustinWithoutAMoustache]

@Ollie Foxx This video's narrator says "this is not conclusive evidence" over 20 times in the video after every point and there's almost twice as many experts working on here. It's an interesting hypothesis for sure, but if even the people who wished it was true don't think the "evidences" they're finding are conclusive then maybe it's better to treat it currently as just that, a hypothesis, and not as "intriguingly unpopular", undeniable fact, perhaps not yet, perhaps never, but it's always better to be open to the possibility that the hypothesis maybe wrong (and in fact I'd argue it's healthier to come in from a standpoint thinking that it is wrong when you want something to be right, to try and disprove it because failing at disproving something counts as proving it too, and if you don't fail you still learn anyways even if the outcome wasn't desirable, it just makes sure that the biases aren't swaying the research). Personally the similarities are certainly interesting not out of how solid the points by themselves necessarily are but mostly due to how many points there are, but if the narrator says they aren't conclusive then I would prefer to believe that they are but curious coincidences.

[@carolynpinkerton7380]

I'm a firm believer in diffusionism in the ancient World. I hadn't heard of this one yet, but why not?!!

[@ecuadorexpat8558]

I live in Ecuador..I am certain and it is fact that the indigenous peoples once came from Asia..how did they do it? So its no surprise that the Phoenicians, the Carthagenians or the Minoans could have been there..Great video!!!

[@dfuher968]

They wandered over todays Northeastern Russia and Alaska and spread out from there, as those were once landlocked with each other. Unlike the unproven theories in this video, thats actually been scientifically proven.

[@ecuadorexpat8558]

@@dfuher968 that is the so called Sino Russian migration wave from the Altai Mountains in Mongolia and Siberia and Arctic Russia..the Pacific migration wave are different peoples

[@uncannyvalley2350]

@@dfuher968 lol, it's accepted science that even Stone Stone Europeans made it to North America, likely by walking across the frozen ice at that time. You're appealing to outdated Boomer nonsense that's 100 years old

[@AlKeys411]

@@dfuher968 Well, in this video they used science to prove European DNA in some Chachapoya people...(Surpsingly, science has also proven a small percentage of Australian Aborigine DNA in South American people in a different study as well).

[@ecuadorexpat8558]

@Tiger thats Northern migration Pacific Asia we are referring to

[@terryhughes7349]

That axe is interesting because Smelting with that type of metal didn't exist. The North and South American were very good at planishing metal (using a hammer or stone to shape copper and gold). Abu Bakr II, ruled the Mali Empire in central Africa an immensely wealthy culture due to gold deposits. He was convinced that there was land due west so he assembled a group of 30 ships to go west. The 2 surviving ships that returned to Africa did state they got there but a large storm destroyed the fleet so they returned. Based on the descriptions the survivors talked about the location may have been Brazil Great documentary

[@markaxworthy2508]

The axe had no evidentiary value at all because it has no archaeological context Source for the Abu Bakr story, please? Without a source what you post has no value at all. Terrible, entirely speculative, non-documentary.

[@MakerBoyOldBoy]

The South American cultures were the first to separate out platinum long before Europe became aware of it.

[@markaxworthy2508]

@@MakerBoyOldBoy Please tell us more.....?

[@xanderunderwoods3363]

I have always felt that the ancients were far more sophisticated and advanced than we ever give them credit for. Viva La Carthage!

[@markaxworthy2508]

The claim is not that a few occasional vessels from the Old World survived the journey to the Americas. The claim is that ships of Old World civilizations arrived in sufficient numbers and in a sufficiently organized way to penetrate the Americas deeply and have a profound effect on local civilizations. There is zero evidence that a few shipwrecked, presumably entirely male, sailors ever arrived, let alone brought high-end Old World skills with them.

[@pedrobernardez]

"He said he bought it direct from a Bolivian Indian, so it has to be genuine" Maybe, maybe not, but unless you dig it out of the ground yourself or with your team, its provenance and authenticity is uncertain- especially for such an unusual object. (23:17)

[@TheAlchaemist]

And even when digging yourself you have to be careful because one can be fooled. You need a lot of evidence each with its context to properly say anything. If I find a Roman coin in the middle of Bolivia there is always a chance that it was brought by a Spaniard and lost or even bought at eBay and placed. The dig context makes all the difference. This "documentary" is pure speculation rubbish. I am sick of how downwards divulgation has gone in the last few decades.

[@jeannienash5249]

WOW!!! That was so informational !!!

[@elliotchinneryhinks8554]

Carthage survived, qué the tears of joy....

[@TruckerMike089]

I don't doubt for a moment that the ancients could've have reached distances farther than what historians believe. The Phonecians who were the founders of Carthage were master stone workers and some of the best mariners ever. I believe they made it to the Americas.

[@sammyrnaj]

True. The Greeks referred to them as the "sea people" & "phoenikus" for creating the alphabet they adopted & modified.

[@TruckerMike089]

@GaelForce 88 who's he?

[@TruckerMike089]

@tacfoley yeah it's pretty amazing when you realize just how connected the ancient world was

[@TruckerMike089]

@@sammyrnaj yeah I think I remember seeing something about that as well. They were all over the place and kinda showed up in areas that you'd least expect them.

[@eugenezandberg8057]

@@TruckerMike089 Naah, you are mistaken them with the Spanish inquisition

[@Cohowarren]

There was a group called in Eqypt "Sea People"

[@ForageGardener]

That was 2000 years earlier

[@Cohowarren]

@@ForageGardener TY

[@uncannyvalley2350]

Hebrew and Iber have the same root, Sea people's does seem to refer to those who would become the Minoans and Phoenicians, probably displaced by Vulcanism and earthquakes

[@russyeatman5631]

Fascinating.

[@tucker4931]

Good show. I'm not convinced but it brings up interesting possibilities.

[@mspionage1743]

Carthage is one of the most interesting classical era civs. Especially due to their connection to Iberia, the statues that survived from that area long before Rome and that areas relation to the story of Atlantis.

[@hannibalbarca8411]

3 days ago i was standing on the hill of sidi theif facing the bay of tunis and over looking the sea route that leads to the carthaginian port... I was there for like 1 hour just staring at the sea imagining the Carthaginian navy making his way through the waves with the voices of thounsands of worriors yelling and going to war . It was an iconic view especially with the foggy mountains in the distance and the chilling view

[@mspionage1743]

@@hannibalbarca8411 I can imagine it was a humbling sight to behold. Knowing that you were standing on the exact ground that (quite literally) shaped the entire direction of global civilization.

[@hannibalbarca8411]

@@mspionage1743 yes its a feeling of pride and sadness in the same time .. pride for being from the same land that gave birth to carthage and sadness because we don't really know much about that magnificent civilization .

[@mspionage1743]

@@hannibalbarca8411 Indeed. The sheer amount of history that we (mankind) lost both in the complete erasing of Carthage and also the great library of Alexandria are things that can never be replaced, ever. I wouldn't at all be surprised if those two places held significant data and writings which would have shed so much light on things such as the fall of global civilization eleven thousand years ago and also so much more. Like you, it does sadden me when I think about it. So much knowledge lost, never to return.

[@hannibalbarca8411]

@@mspionage1743 i hope someday we will findsome hidden books or librardy hidden in the ground .. because rome took 3 years to enter carthage so it's so likely that some Carthaginians have buried some of their belongings

[@boba2783]

Phoenicians used the wheel and practically invented modern day writing, why was neither found in these areas? Other than that, it’s an interesting program

[@johncollins211]

You do realize almost no one was literate. Some Rich merchants could read but almost none could write. Literacy was mostly for kings and priest. And we all know kings and priest dont take chances sailing the atalntic.

[@himoffthequakeroatbox4320]

The Atlanteans taught them how to make hovercars and portable computers. Which they never lost or abandoned, because they were very tidy.

[@user-vs7gv4cn8o]

​@@himoffthequakeroatbox4320bullshit

[@marilemos6810]

Thank you for the extraordinary documentary!👍 It is fascinating. This coincides with what was pointed out by the Spanish chroniclers.

[@markaxworthy2508]

Oh God, Erik von Danniken lives!

[@jeraldbaxter3532]

Von Danniken is an immortal, elemental spirit, the child of Fantasy and Rumor. He has always been with us, and he always will be with us. At midnight, in their basement shrines, the alien lizards and the tin foil hat people pray to him, using a crystal skull they bought at Dollar Tree.

[@markaxworthy2508]

@@jeraldbaxter3532 😄

[@dfuher968]

@@markaxworthy2508 ROFL. U said it much better than my longer post argumenting against this pet theory project. Yes, this is about as worthy and as scientific. Except these are sadly real scientists, breaking every rule for proper scientific investigation.

[@uncannyvalley2350]

Omg a strawman!

[@uncannyvalley2350]

@@dfuher968 can't help but notice your one theme is that you're better than everyone else

[@darrelneidiffer6777]

Nice line of b.s.

[@frankmitchell3594]

It was once said that the Carthaginians were the first inhabitants of the Canary Islands. Was this a stepping stone to South America?

[@michaelbatsford7182]

Cool thanx for what you do

[@kentjensen4939]

It's conceivable but impossible to prove conclusively. The big question is if they intended to sail that far or did natural forces make it an unintentional trip.

[@uncannyvalley2350]

Nonsense. Divide the world's Circumference by six and get 6,666. Divide the number of seconds in a day by 400 and get 216, 2160 is the length of an astrological age. The Moon is 400 times smaller than the sun, which is 864,000 miles wide, just like there are 86,400 seconds in a day. The planet orbits the Sun at 108,000 km/hr or 66,600 miles an hour. If we divide the angled side of the Pyramid (186.6 x 100 = 18,660) by 21.6 we get 863.8, plus .2 is 864. The base of the Pyramid minus the height is also Pi times 100, and Al Nitak follows Sirius past the King's Chamber in 100 minutes. If we divide the height by Euler's number we get the square root of Pi, times 2 is 354, the number of days in 12 lunar months. If we divide the diameter of the Sun by 6 we get 144,000 The hands of our 24 hr clock go around 60 times 60 times 10, which is 36,000, the number of Arc degrees in one second times 10, which means each second is one 360th of a circle, times 100. This shows that the Star of David was used as a kind of calculator to devise time and do complex equations using a hexadecimal system. The Egyptian number of perfection is 100, we divide 400 by 100 to get 4, we divide 600 by 100 we get 6. 4/6 is equal to 2/3 and 3/9, all of which have a ratio of 66.666666666, by which they can divide the Horizon down to seconds, and thus navigate the globe knowing both its dimensions and be able to make accurate maps. 86,400 ÷ 400 is 216 216 x 2 is 432 432 + 216 is 684 432 x 2 is 864 So rather than divide 864,000 by 2160, they divide 86,400 by 216, which is 400, rather than 40,000. This means a Megalithic Clock would go around 40 times, with each second broken down into tenths. 6 times 6 times 10; 3600. 400 ÷ 6 is 66.66666 These numbers all divide into each other. Half of 216 is 108, just as the Earth orbits the Sun at 108,000 km/hr. The interior angles of a regular Pentagon are also 108, and the interior angles of a Star of David add up to 1,440, times 100 is 144,000. Half of 108 is 54. It takes 360 Full Moons to span the night sky Horizon to Horizon, 720 total, 72 times 3 is 216. 6 x 6 x 6 x 4 = 864 Which means a full moon is equivalent to 300 seconds, or 5 minutes, meaning 2 Full moons per 10 minutes. This means seconds represent tenths of the Moon, a Minute (6 times 10 times 10) being 2 Full Moons or 1 degree of arc. Multiply the Moon's diameter by 18.6, the number of years in a Metonic Cyle, and get 40,175, the diameter of the Earth plus 100. 40,000 times 100 is 4,000,000, the Earth's circumference in meters. Multiply 18.6 by 2150 (actual diameter of the Moon) and you get 39,990, just 10 km short. This means they measured the Earth with the Orbit of the Moon, and based their metrics off of the Full Moon, cubing and squaring it to find the relationships between the heavenly bodies. Half of the Pyramid's base equals one 86,400th of the Earth's Circumference. Divide the Base by the height and get Pi. The height of the Great Pyramid times 43200 equals the Polar Circumference of the Earth. Also the Circumference of the Base of the Great Pyramid times 43200 equals the Equatorial Circumference of the Earth. An equilateral Triangle formed within the face of the Great Pyramid is 6,666 inches along each side, it represents one half of the Star of David, 720 degrees, as above so below, so we double it, 1440 ÷ 6 is 240, the number of hours on a clock times ten. 24 being 6 x 4, combining both ratios of of Sun and Moon, hence Solomon. The Pyramid itself is Squaring the Circle, by reducing the proportions of the cosmos to squares and roots based on Phi and Pi and Euler's number as a ratio to feet, and the Star of David is what allows them to do it, like a proto Antikythera mechanism. I can't say if they went to hundredths of a second, because I'm not even that much of a mathematician (majician) but they definitely did tenths, and it equates to the same nautical metrics we use today. Enoch also buries 36,525 scrolls, the number of days in a year, times 100. Oh by the way, this shows that our current measure of time is based on the principle of 1/6, the basis of an Egyptian Royal Cubit, but first they built the first ring at Stonehenge, which is 100 metres (330 ft) wide, with an area of 2160 square feet, a Cube's interior angles also add up to.. 2160. This produces a Calendar of 60 6 day weeks plus five. Every 4th year a 366th day makes exactly 61 weeks. This means every 216 years this calendar produces 1 extra day, so after 648 years 3 days must be removed. This is when the Phoenix arrived, and stepped onto the Alter of Ra or Holy Grail, completing the Metonic cycle and bringing the Calendar back into sync with the first New Moon of the Spring equinox. The Capstone of the Pyramid is even called the Benben Stone, the Egyptian Phoenix is called the Bennu. It likely relates to Deneb, in Ophiuchus, the 13th Starsign of the Zodiac. The base of the Pyramid is exactly 13 Acres, as is Teotihuacan, because they share the exact same base dimensions. Such a location would be ideal for calculating the speed of light using the transit of Venus. Incidentally the Great Pyramid's Latitudinal coordinates are the speed of light. 1440 ÷ 108 = 13.333333 11 and 3 are the most sacred Celtic numbers of royalty, and also happen to be the proportions of the Earth to the Moon, and the Great Pyramid. The starsigns also precess 1 degree every 72 years 72 x 3 is 216 2160 ÷ 648 is 3.3333333 The Aztec Calendar also begins with a double transit of Venus, in 3116BC. This whole code can be encoded into a single Pythagorean Triangle of Dimensions 666 by 630, by 216, this is the Key of Solomon, 33 is the inverse of 66. 100 is the "perfect number" because it represents 10 6 unit metrics times 10 6 unit metrics, a unit being 6.66 ie 60 x 60 (3600) the number of Arcdegree seconds in a second, or a one second unit on a clock the size of Earth This means seconds represent 10ths of the Moon; 216, or 6 x 6 x 6 (100 ÷ 6 ÷ 6 = 2.7): Euler's number, and the number of feet to a Megalithic Yard, 3/11 is .27 and the number of days in a sidereal month is also 27. 11/3 is 3.66, the number of days in a Canicular leap year, the character of Thoth, Cuchulainn, and kukulkan, the Dog Star, and star by which the Sothic Calendar is determined. 3 x 11 is 33, the years in a Great Solar Return. As the Sun and Moon inhabit respective house of the Zodiac they animate the character within, playing out the dramas and battles we know as myths, for example the Moon traveling through each of the Zodiac houses each month, for a grand total of... 144 (12 x 12)

[@Garryck-1]

Damn.. how is this the first time I've ever heard of these events?

[@MrSparkums]

Excellent video..

[@jevans1392]

Just love these ads with documentaries sprinkled in between. Thanks Utube!

[@OdinsCloud]

Greek artifacts were found in Cornwall near the ancient tin mines.

[@watermelonlalala]

They did a lot of shows for the History Channel about ancient aliens building the pyramids.

[@watermelonlalala]

Oops, this comment was supposed to reply to the person who said this documentary was brought to us by Mayhav and Kudoff (May have and Could of).

[@dontcomply3976]

That is not particularly controversial

[@himoffthequakeroatbox4320]

You can get from Greece to Cornwall without losing sight of land.

[@timgchannel3328]

From what I understand from other sources, it’s possible, perhaps even likely, the people from the Mediterranean landed in South America. However, this show is so disjointed, so dopey, so full of “could it be?“, you’d have expected them to say at any minute that they were transported there by flying saucer.

[@christianfrommuslim]

Agree. I wish it had been more scientific, for example using more comparisons for controls. There was trephination in the skulls of many cultures, including North American Native Americans. And other cultures build round stone buildings and used spiral designs. The DNA is the most significant, but even that is not ancient DNA. The Solutrean Hypothesis seems more impressive.

[@ZanysMoon]

Oh, they have, they have. How could it possibly be that earthlings could have learned one another, no matter how far across the sea they might originated? Grrr. Even coracles are sea-worthy for short stints, like maybe along coastlines, for instance?

[@dfuher968]

Yeah, I made my own post of, why this is a very unscientific quest to prove a pet theory, that focuses only on, what can be used to suggest, the theory might be right, and doesnt even look at anything else, nor at all the other possibilities for their "clues", such as all the other ways in which European DNA could be found in those children. This was an all around pseudo-science disappointment.

[@uncannyvalley2350]

@Jerry Boden you need a source dude

[@uncannyvalley2350]

@Jerry Boden why are you calling me a nut, I happen to Agree in principle, that's why I asked for a source for this specific claim

[@catherineevanoffour1230]

good one

[@veronicalogotheti5416]

thank you i liked it

[@welshbloke2619]

Its easy to get across from Africa. There is a current that crosses the atlantic from where Nigeria sits. Sit on it and it’ll take you there in a couple of weeks. It’s ludicrous to believe no one did it.

[@captainsensiblejr.]

What proof is there that the axe, was in fact found in Bolivia and not planted by the only person who has this belief?

[@uncannyvalley2350]

True, but its not the only evidence. For example the proportions of Tihuanaco and the Great Pyramid are identical Guess it's just another one of those famous coincidences, along with the same Goddess names we find in Central Anatolia, and the same tusked demon figure (Hydra) we find in Greece, same Trepannation, same slings, same Bull Roarer, same astrological cycles and characters It's just coincidence, I'm a coincidence theorist. Besides, if the evidence was as blatant as the Cross or Egyptian Motof of an Eagle devoring a Serpent, you wouldn't believe it anyway

[@davidb2206]

Or in fact traded later. By the Spanish or even later trading. It is a weak singularity.

[@markashworth8353]

very interesting

[@therogueresearcherschannel9887]

Awesome video, packed with good brain food stuff.

[@danhanqvist4237]

"Where did they obtain the knowledge?" Well, they came up with it themselves. Like people in the Old World came up with their knowledge without impulses from the New.

[@tony12fingers47]

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[@straya4837]

I saw something similar to this, but it was with the Celts of Ireland perhaps being forced of course & ending up on the east coast of Brazil & then travelling inland. They said these people then teamed up with a group of natives & evidence was found of their round houses built up very high near Peru. I cant remember all the details & it this seems like this doco, but they were not the Carthiginians. Ohhhhjh man, how good would it be to have a looking glass back to all the places/ people . Its all just so extremely interesting.

[@muttley166]

Skeletons in the Cupboard is a really good doc about Celts in ancient New Zealand

[@aaronengland5622]

Celts are descended from ANE peoples who carried the R haplogroup. The oldest known peoples in the Americas are ANE peoples. Some groups in the Americas still have extremely large amounts of this DNA and, yes, their closest genetic relatives live in Europe. The difference is ANE genes are not known to exist in europe prior to 4500-6,000 years ago. They've been in the Americas 20,000+ years. Why exactly these people keep trying to connect us to cultures that we predate is beyond me. For anthropologists and scientific researchers they're kind of dumb.

[@elvenleaf5589]

​@Jerry Boden yes!! And I'm from amazigh my grandma has tattoo in the face and hands

[@annamosier1950]

very good

[@ericmccarty2369]

Wow, interesting theory. Happy Thanksgiving, Timeline.

[@embreis2257]

maybe an ancient trireme shipwrecked somewhere along the African coast and then was eventully swept back into the ocean and after a year or so of floating in the ocean ended up on the Brazilian coast. there it got scavenged and an axe from the shipwreck changed hands many, many times before some native finally lost it in the jungle.

[@Empt109]

It could happen .

[@vectravi2008]

Yes, that's possible but it wouldn't account for how the east coast of the Americas appeared on maps before the voyage of Columbus. This documentary might provide the answer

[@bigreddog502]

It's possible, I don't think it's likely but I also don't think it's unlikely 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@larsrons7937]

Ships perhaps, but not triremes. These galleys can't cope with the waves of the open ocean. Sailing ships could. And they did have large ones.

[@larsrons7937]

@@Empt109 It could not happen no, not with triremes or other galleys alike. It could happen with more seaworthy sailing ships (which they did have).

[@captainsensiblejr.]

With the DNA evidence, the question is not only what but when. The Conquestidores of the 16th century were also descendents of Celti-Iberians. Any genes for blond hair could date back only to the 1600s.

[@damouno]

Not really. The conqistadors were only partly of Celtic Ancestry. They were a motley mix of diff..peoples over the centuries.

[@dfuher968]

@@damouno Point is, theyre only looking for things to support their pet theory, theyre ignoring every other possibility. Making it very unscientific and worthless speculation.

[@uncannyvalley2350]

@@dfuher968 point is using the term pet theory over and over isn't an argument, and seems to be just you projecting, aka gaslighting

[@TheBigdaddy64]

@@timmy6588 actually the first R1b people's were probably the Bell Beakers. They were proto Kelts.

[@himoffthequakeroatbox4320]

@@timmy6588 How can someone who was there first be a descendant of someone who came after? 🤡

[@aamirnawab3093]

Amazing

[@haileennevsmom09]

fascinating

[@HeavilyCensoredKitty]

Bob from Accounting DID indeed survive!

[@sheldonwheaton881]

So Carthage discovered the world. Take that, Rome!🗿🌴

[@JohnDoe-mk9nf]

Man had been traveling by boat for over 500,000 yrs I'm sure it's been discovered many times over

[@GladysAlicea]

The only reason Rome was finally able to win the wars with Carthage was because they'd captured one of their ships and reversed engineered it. Rome was great, yes, but it was also a blend of copied civilizations, so not everything they did was a "first."

[@purrumaucca]

Thank the "Europeans" for all the great achivemens of my ancestors.

[@karensinclair2043]

@@GladysAlicea First. It was a derelict not a war prize, and everybody in the Mediterranean knew about all kinds of ships. Rome won because it had far greater resources, like the Union in the American Civil War. Second. Rome systematically eradicated every civilization it conquered, enslaved a huge percentage of its people into slaves, one third of Gaul, for instance, and imposed its own civilization and language upon them. In many cases, Dacia for instance, replacing the population with Roman colonists. After the revolt of Boudicca, the Roman Senate considered depopulating Britain and replacing the population. The intellectuals of the Hellenic Kingdoms of the East who survived were taken as slaves to Rome to tutor upper class children in Greek. We still have no idea about Etruscan and the other languages of the near neighbors of Rome.

[@joebrenner4428]

Ancient Native American Celtic people discovered the world.

[@thinkngskeptic]

Despite how speculative the theory is, I'm still glad I watched this because I learned a lot

[@Carpediem357]

I remember a few articles saying there was swords, armor, clay pots from Carthage and the Roman Republic (very early republic like 200 years after the republics founding) found in Canada from New Found Land down to Mexico. And while we don’t have documentation of them arriving in the Americas whose to say there was documentation that got destroyed? Rome has been sacked several times with most happening during the republic and empires ages and the few times the library of Alexandria burned, it’s possible the documents got destroyed and no one remembered anything as they had other things to deal with.

[@joshrichards9121]

Carthage was a Phoenician city state. Tyre and Sidon are also Phoenician city states. Tyre was considered the naval merchant powerhouse of the world of antiquity. In the Bible, Tyre is said to have traded with Tarshish. Tarshish is thought to be Spain or England. I personally lean towards England.

[@chrisandthat]

There were tin trade routes to the UK.

[@JohnWayne-cb1tv]

Definitely plausible. The Ottomans had a rough map of the new world that was old but they didn't have a good record of it. They probably acquired it from one of the many post empires around the Mediterranean area. With so many wars, diseases, disasters and collapsed empires there is a ton of lost knowledge.

[@pennelp7770]

amazing

[@mikkosutube]

10.00..she used a high tech boat..not likely to have been used in ancient times...

[@PanglossDr]

I don't think there is any question Carthaginian, Roman, Greek or other's ships could have crossed the Atlantic. It is only a question of how many tried and how many made it across.

[@monsieurlaguillotine3481]

I think if there's anyone one who actually made it in this period of time, it was the Carthaginians. I don't think the Romans ever did or even knew about the Americas. My personal theory is that Carthage *did* make the crossing, but whatever records they kept, went up in flames with the sacking of Carthage. Later I think the Celts did. There were probably handfuls of Icelandic fishermen who knew. But I don't think the Romans or Greeks ever knew. The Romans would've made more of a concerted effort to exploit the Natives and set up colonies. They would've made at least a few maps.

[@ribbitgoesthedoglastnamehe4681]

@@monsieurlaguillotine3481 Icelandic fishermen knew for sure. They were the vikings who went there, and that has been proven. But that was a few thousand years later. The vikings colonised Iceland during the middle ages.

[@maxstirner6143]

@@ribbitgoesthedoglastnamehe4681 they didnt they tried

[@OdysseusMDA]

The Minoan civilization way before the Pheanecians had great seafaring ships. Crete is literally opposite Carthage a couple of days' trip. Likely they colonized it first

[@himoffthequakeroatbox4320]

If any made it back they kept it a secret. Exception would be the Vikings, who describes the inhabitants quite well and even had a word for them - skraelings.

[@ModernBarbarian187]

I don't doubt the natives of the region could have accomplished a lot, but these ideas are worth exploring. Our understanding of history isn't a done deal.

[@captaintoyota3171]

Actually its more like .1% of a deal. We have .1% of what existed maybe .01%. Sp we know VERY little about our own history let alone creatures evolving before ua

[@larsrons7937]

I'd like to see an analysis of the metals in that *axe.* Not just the types, but the variants. I believe it is possible to conclude from exactly where in the world those metals have their origin.

[@MerkhVision]

Oh, great idea!

[@rayhassan6573]

The Phoenicians and evidence of their many visits to North America are everywhere. The Phoenicians were in North America, numerous times, before the Vikings or Columbus. A large rock in Quebec has on it, "This land is claimed for the King of Phoenicia."

[@tunisianhannibal9585]

The Carthaginians

[@davepangolin4996]

This could be interesting

[@Scraggledust]

Ugh. . . WTH. This is not what I expected. I also hate how people don’t/refuse to give credit to the ancient feats of our ancestors. They had brains like ours. They were as capable of great developments and architecture. Stop taking away from ancient civilizations

[@Research0digo]

The 'authorites' did this with the round stone buildings & surrounding walls in Zimbabwe. :(

[@olliefoxx7165]

I agree. To many people think we are superior in intellect and ability just bc we are the ones currently living. Our ancestors were very intelligent, brave, cunning, and did incredible physical feats. They knew far more than we give them credit. It's possible they were more knowledgeable than us in things that were lost over time.

[@susanholbrook4185]

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[@christianfrommuslim]

@@olliefoxx7165 C.S. Lewis called tendency "Chronological snobbery."

[@olliefoxx7165]

@@christianfrommuslim That's a great phrase! Thanks for the post! I'm going to use that going forward.

[@louislochner5713]

As a 340i owner & definate BMW fan boy, I thoroughly enjoy this comparison 🥳🥳 It has to be said, though ... That RS6 looks pretty smart in that blue hue 👌🏼

[@simonac688.]

Now we know they had " free trade " great great Docu... its uterly interesting thank you

[@fredgillespie5855]

An excellent well presented and informative video. There have been rumours of white Indians in the Amazon, if I remember correctly that is what Col. Fawcett was searching for when he disappeared and here they are - perhaps.

[@weilam03]

not entirely impossible

[@aastenu]

4) The science of linguistics can assure you, that humans tend to create similar symbols when expressing themselves in writing. Those symbols are derived by the environment they live in and of course by the need for simplicity. To be more precise O is the most common symbol but means many different things in many different cultures. As a result, the notion that Carthaginian linguistics are close to Latin American symbols is possible but tells us nothing, especially anything concerning cultural exchanges. Much more can be said about the "evidence" presented in the documentary, however I would like to point out one thing: Maybe the whole fascination about the West colonizing the Americas, is actually the way we Europeans, would like to see the world: As a colony...

[@stevem1750]

Very intriguing theory. Evidence looks positive for the theory.

[@AustinKoleCarlisle]

anyone interested in this material might want to check out Brien Foerster's videos on elongated skulls in Peru that have DNA origins to the Black Sea region of Europe.

[@occidentadvocate.9759]

Im a Celt. My people were great seafarers in ancient times. They could have reached South America. In Medieval times, the, Portuguese were the greatest seafaring nation. They got the know how from Celts who inhabited Northern Portugal. That region still retains some Celtic culture.

[@damouno]

Northern PORT. == Ancient Galicia peopled by Celt-Iberians. Good point

[@uncannyvalley2350]

Lol, guess no one told you Celts we're a Communist Matriarchal society 🙃

[@uncannyvalley2350]

@@damouno Port du Gal As in Galicia, as in Cilicia, as in Sciliy, and Galilee. The Jews were Celtic Tribes from Iberia, Hebrew and Iberia have the same root, meaning over, as in Overseas

[@blackhawk7r221]

@@uncannyvalley2350 Odd. No historical evidence of that.

[@boba2783]

@@timmy6588 Ramses had red hair and blue eyes

[@haysheryl2677]

You are very brave.

[@guydegregg6869]

This theory is very weak and unlikely, there had to be a great deal of survivors from Carthage and not just proud defeated warriors, supplies would have been severely depleted during a seige conflict and not near enough to provision an Atlantic crossing of defeated oarsmen. Ridiculous.

[@JJoy-bk8yr]

The theory would be stronger if they said Carthaginian traders abroad in ships already full of cargo learned about the fall of Carthage. Rather than return to Carthage and capitulate to Rome, they decided to follow old rumors from the Phoenicians of how to cross the ocean to a different world. They would be aware they would likely die but might have been feeling that would be better than becoming lackeys of the Roman empire. Against all odds, some of the Carthaginian trade ships actually made it across the ocean. All speculation of course, but interesting to think about.

[@ForageGardener]

@@JJoy-bk8yr the carthaginians were phonecians, the atlanic ocean is not very big, polynesians regularly moved around the pacific which is much more large

[@JJoy-bk8yr]

@@ForageGardener Thanks, noted.

[@uncannyvalley2350]

Begging the question is when you use the point you're trying to prove as an argument to prove that very same point. Rather than proving the conclusion is true, it assumes it. It's also called circular reasoning and is a logical fallacy.

[@uncannyvalley2350]

Divide the world's Circumference by six and get 6,666. Divide the number of seconds in a day by 400 and get 216, 2160 is the length of an astrological age. The Moon is 400 times smaller than the sun, which is 864,000 miles wide, just like there are 86,400 seconds in a day. The planet orbits the Sun at 108,000 km/hr or 66,600 miles an hour. If we divide the angled side of the Pyramid (186.6 x 100 = 18,660) by 21.6 we get 863.8, plus .2 is 864. The base of the Pyramid minus the height is also Pi times 100, and Al Nitak follows Sirius past the King's Chamber in 100 minutes. If we divide the height by Euler's number we get the square root of Pi, times 2 is 354, the number of days in 12 lunar months. If we divide the diameter of the Sun by 6 we get 144,000 The hands of our 24 hr clock go around 60 times 60 times 10, which is 36,000, the number of Arc degrees in one second times 10, which means each second is one 360th of a circle, times 100. This shows that the Star of David was used as a kind of calculator to devise time and do complex equations using a hexadecimal system. The Egyptian number of perfection is 100, we divide 400 by 100 to get 4, we divide 600 by 100 we get 6. 4/6 is equal to 2/3 and 3/9, all of which have a ratio of 66.666666666, by which they can divide the Horizon down to seconds, and thus navigate the globe knowing both its dimensions and be able to make accurate maps. 86,400 ÷ 400 is 216 216 x 2 is 432 432 + 216 is 684 432 x 2 is 864 So rather than divide 864,000 by 2160, they divide 86,400 by 216, which is 400, rather than 40,000. This means a Megalithic Clock would go around 40 times, with each second broken down into tenths. 6 times 6 times 10; 3600. 400 ÷ 6 is 66.66666 These numbers all divide into each other. Half of 216 is 108, just as the Earth orbits the Sun at 108,000 km/hr. The interior angles of a regular Pentagon are also 108, and the interior angles of a Star of David add up to 1,440, times 100 is 144,000. Half of 108 is 54. It takes 360 Full Moons to span the night sky Horizon to Horizon, 720 total, 72 times 3 is 216. 6 x 6 x 6 x 4 = 864 Which means a full moon is equivalent to 300 seconds, or 5 minutes, meaning 2 Full moons per 10 minutes. This means seconds represent tenths of the Moon, a Minute (6 times 10 times 10) being 2 Full Moons or 1 degree of arc. Multiply the Moon's diameter by 18.6, the number of years in a Metonic Cyle, and get 40,175, the diameter of the Earth plus 100. 40,000 times 100 is 4,000,000, the Earth's circumference in meters. Multiply 18.6 by 2150 (actual diameter of the Moon) and you get 39,990, just 10 km short. This means they measured the Earth with the Orbit of the Moon, and based their metrics off of the Full Moon, cubing and squaring it to find the relationships between the heavenly bodies. Half of the Pyramid's base equals one 86,400th of the Earth's Circumference. Divide the Base by the height and get Pi. The height of the Great Pyramid times 43200 equals the Polar Circumference of the Earth. Also the Circumference of the Base of the Great Pyramid times 43200 equals the Equatorial Circumference of the Earth. An equilateral Triangle formed within the face of the Great Pyramid is 6,666 inches along each side, it represents one half of the Star of David, 720 degrees, as above so below, so we double it, 1440 ÷ 6 is 240, the number of hours on a clock times ten. 24 being 6 x 4, combining both ratios of of Sun and Moon, hence Solomon. The Pyramid itself is Squaring the Circle, by reducing the proportions of the cosmos to squares and roots based on Phi and Pi and Euler's number as a ratio to feet, and the Star of David is what allows them to do it, like a proto Antikythera mechanism. I can't say if they went to hundredths of a second, because I'm not even that much of a mathematician (majician) but they definitely did tenths, and it equates to the same nautical metrics we use today. Enoch also buries 36,525 scrolls, the number of days in a year, times 100. Oh by the way, this shows that our current measure of time is based on the principle of 1/6, the basis of an Egyptian Royal Cubit, but first they built the first ring at Stonehenge, which is 100 metres (330 ft) wide, with an area of 2160 square feet, a Cube's interior angles also add up to.. 2160. This produces a Calendar of 60 6 day weeks plus five. Every 4th year a 366th day makes exactly 61 weeks. This means every 216 years this calendar produces 1 extra day, so after 648 years 3 days must be removed. This is when the Phoenix arrived, and stepped onto the Alter of Ra or Holy Grail, completing the Metonic cycle and bringing the Calendar back into sync with the first New Moon of the Spring equinox. The Capstone of the Pyramid is even called the Benben Stone, the Egyptian Phoenix is called the Bennu. It likely relates to Deneb, in Ophiuchus, the 13th Starsign of the Zodiac. The base of the Pyramid is exactly 13 Acres, as is Teotihuacan, because they share the exact same base dimensions. Such a location would be ideal for calculating the speed of light using the transit of Venus. Incidentally the Great Pyramid's Latitudinal coordinates are the speed of light. 1440 ÷ 108 = 13.333333 11 and 3 are the most sacred Celtic numbers of royalty, and also happen to be the proportions of the Earth to the Moon, and the Great Pyramid. The starsigns also precess 1 degree every 72 years 72 x 3 is 216 2160 ÷ 648 is 3.3333333 The Aztec Calendar also begins with a double transit of Venus, in 3116BC. This whole code can be encoded into a single Pythagorean Triangle of Dimensions 666 by 630, by 216, this is the Key of Solomon, 33 is the inverse of 66. 100 is the "perfect number" because it represents 10 6 unit metrics times 10 6 unit metrics, a unit being 6.66 ie 60 x 60 (3600) the number of Arcdegree seconds in a second, or a one second unit on a clock the size of Earth This means seconds represent 10ths of the Moon; 216, or 6 x 6 x 6 (100 ÷ 6 ÷ 6 = 2.7): Euler's number, and the number of feet to a Megalithic Yard, 3/11 is .27 and the number of days in a sidereal month is also 27. 11/3 is 3.66, the number of days in a Canicular leap year, the character of Thoth, Cuchulainn, and kukulkan, the Dog Star, and star by which the Sothic Calendar is determined. 3 x 11 is 33, the years in a Great Solar Return. As the Sun and Moon inhabit respective house of the Zodiac they animate the character within, playing out the dramas and battles we know as myths, for example the Moon traveling through each of the Zodiac houses each month, for a grand total of... 144 (12 x 12)

[@monkeywrench2800]

Since there are only suggestions... I would suggest that traveling as far up the Amazon as possible would limit the chances that Romans would later follow and destroy them on the coastal beaches of this new found world. Interesting history lesson. Thank you!

[@seanogallchoir3237]

Most likely they traveled along the coast of South America and came ashore in Peru or Bolivia. The Indians stated their ancestors met men with long flowing robes, who may have been the Phonecians or the people who travelled with them. Thor Hedyral the explorer who brought Indians from Bolivia to Iraq to build the boat from reeds, mentions interesting stories in his book.

[@runlarryrun77]

@@seanogallchoir3237 Indeed they did. There's also the legends of the "pale faces from the East who will return" which crop up throughout native culture, along with pre Columbian coastal carvings in Central America depicting figures with distinctly European features.