The Ill Fated Japanese Longbow - AH-64DJP Talking Head - War Thunder

Lets talk about the nearly forgotten Japanese Longbow, the most undertiered Helicopter!
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[@maverickjhett]

it doesn’t really matter if its 10.0, 10.3, or 10.7 because japan doesn’t have a combat vehicle from 9.3-10.3. i dont think many people want to bring out a 9.0 TD and two 8.7 MBTs with a 10.3 heli. It’ll only be brought out with Type 90s which bring it up to 10.7 (more accurately 11.0 bc 10.7 doesn’t really exist too much)

[@gregdearmond3309]

I would recommend for helis, if you spot a ground unit fire multiple missles at it at once, you can always rearm the helipad Isn’t that far away usually and the double tap increase the amount of kills you get

[@frankerin8655]

It doesnt matter because if you want to see them they will se u (spaa) and they have 10x faster missiles soo if you expose you die... the only usable heli in top tier ground rb is the german tiger because of his pars3 missiles. And ka50 and 52 cause they can get shoot multiple times with missiles and be still ok...(OP)

[@waldek7772]

@@frankerin8655 u just gotta know how to play them, i got multiple 7+ kill games in ah-1f at top tier, let alone the apache, which i just now researched (ah64a)

[@gregdearmond3309]

@@frankerin8655 haha the only "usable" kekw i am about 3:1 kd in 52 (combined air and ground)

[@IROCK51541]

YES! Love your talking heads videos and especially on a topic that is widely not discussed on KZbin, as a DJP owner myself, its nice to see and hear the opinions of others on the chopper. Keep up the great work!

[@IROCK51541]

Would also absolutely love to see a full gameplay vid of the DJP but I agree that in a downtier the DJP is overpowered however the lack of MAWS is such a crucial make or break factor that I personally wouldn't agree that it would be at 11.0 either. The issue lies in that it is essentially blind towards any SAM system beyond visual identification and most of my deaths in the DJP is due to the fact that I simply did not see the missile coming.

[@Hackwild217]

The AH-64 DJP is license produced by Subaru Corporation, Formerly know as Fuji Heavy Industries. So the DJP is a Subaru

[@chriscoones377]

Love, it’s what makes a Subaru a Subaru

[@samyt681]

Based as hell

[@izyren5946]

The damage on the hellfires is like rolling a die, you either get no dmg at all or you kill some stuff in the tank.

[@ty8012]

They're so trash aren't they gaijin is only lying to themselves about how effective they are

1:35 that Leopard 2PL is waving his turret left and right probably saying "please no, I'm a virgin" 😂

[@kerimgumus9944]

am tuu yung.

[@cyonemitsu]

The JGSDF AH-64Ds (known internally at Boeing as DJP but D within the JGSDF) is that they're the first Block II Apache Longbows in service, meaning they came equipped with ATAS where otherwise would be the AMASE system. In theory they'd be unique compared against the US Apache for this feature, as typically US Apaches did not service Stingers outside of testing until the Block III (also known as AH-64E), but Gaijin decided to introduce the feature to the US, which ultimately makes the Japanese AH-64D rather featureless.

[@literallyadeer]

This helicopter has been heavily improved with the recent update with the new RWR changes. Now you have missile launch alerts, and you know what radars are pinging you. This thing is so much more usable now.

[@ohmygyatt-s7b]

justin pls do a video on the m48 super, as its now at 9.0 and somewhat does well at that br

[@Zosterias]

AH MK1 is the BEST Apache. Hellfires? Check Starstreaks as Anti-Heli/Light Vehicle? Check MAWS even with AAM? Check Buttload of flares and better engine? Check

[@jessegm1]

Its the closest thing to a ka50 while also not even being near the power of a ka50

[@shirghazaycowboys]

Someone gets it. British top tier is alot more potent than whiny redditors like to admit.

[@STRYKER_b14]

A revisit to the 2a4 maybe? Seeing that the ipm1 spam is going on, would love to see if the 2a4 is still viable

[@semiedgv]

He did a video on it like 2 months ago

[@STRYKER_b14]

@@cristobalalvarez5491 thats what i thought. Why even get the 2a4 when u cant get a free 2pl at home

[@thebirbestbirb]

Bruh 2A4 does fine just play right cause most of the time it's IPM1 at 11.0

[@_invencible_]

@@cristobalalvarez5491 the german doctrine is "don't get shot"

[@youonlyliveonce12ish]

Love your videos, but this video just reminded why I avoid Top Tier. I felt so bad for those helpless tanks being fucked by multiple helis.

[@damien3238]

Reminded me why I stopped Warthunder. Heli and planes in ground battles.

[@_invencible_]

you rarely get killed by helis. most of the time it's a camper on the other side of the map

[@musicheaven1679]

1:41 Poor 2PL he was begging for his life.

[@WIRobin]

What about certain key bindings for the helicopters. Not knowing all the special features or how to use them, knowing how to set certain bindings would be awesome. Thank you. Even tanks/planes, they add lots of features and sometimes its confusing on how to add them with all the buttons we have already.

[@williamkwl6153]

I really wanted to play this, but that starter Huey... I just can't

[@adwitiyoroy1797]

do a reveiw on the type 74... the type 93 shell is amazing at its BR and its turret armour is really trolly at times

[@maverickjhett]

trolly? darts don’t care about trolly in my experience lol

[@adwitiyoroy1797]

@@maverickjhett hm... I mostly snipe with the type 74, and when I'm in a Hull down position, shells often ricochet off the top of the turret and the side.... even if my breech gets knocked out the crew mostly survives. But in a full uptier.......

[@maverickjhett]

@@adwitiyoroy1797 that’s fair, my breech does seem to eat a few rounds, but i don’t usually snipe so that’s probably why i don’t experience bounces haha

[@chriscoones377]

Well look at it this way, the AH64D is not designed to be taken out in airspace’s that could be challenged, it only would see combat in skies that friendly air does control whereas the AH1Z can be used in contested air spaces because was designed to go in and provide support for the marines and the marines are typically gonna be in environments where they don’t always have air superiority. This is why I’m regards to these two helis I just have two diff crew slots for them in my line up so if the air space has enemy helis or air in it I take the ah1z if my team controls the skies I take the Apache just how I look at it

[@rukinaa]

Having this heli myself, I don't really get to be in a full down tier that often to wreck the lower br tanks as you mostly end up in top tier matches anyways. It doesn't feel any different to me compared to the american counterpart. The lack of missile warning system doesn't bother me either as I mostly hug the mountain ridges and take cover when I need to. If you don't fly in the middle of nowhere and don't expose your heli too much to begin with the missile warning system doesn't really do you any good. But that all depends on the playstyle of the player in the heli I suppose

[@jebator988]

This is all cool until some supersonic jet who knows what he is doing comes to visit you

[@Lynxium_]

I think it should go to 10.7 but not 11.0, because not having a MAW is a huge disadvantage

[@Zosterias]

But the AH-64D with stingers is exactly a DJP because the stingers remove the MAWS on the 64D.

[@Lynxium_]

@@Zosterias Yeah but no one wants the stingers anyways, they suck

[@noobsquad4318]

Love your vids i hope your day is amazing

[@jacktk2223]

Can you revisit GHPC, now that a new update dropped?

[@sidsucksatplaying]

Oh man I just came from riding 3 tanks the t90s,bmp 1 and the zsu 23 4 my head hurts as I hit the commanders coupla in the t90 good to see Justin’s vid

[@addedcheese]

Japan could get a black hawk to spice up their heli lineups and maybe when helies make it to naval we will se the UH-60J which can carry rockets, hellfires or ASW weaponry

[@addedcheese]

@@cristobalalvarez5491 I'm assuming this is a joke comment? sure the us could get a blackhawk variant with hellfires but japan is in a far greater need for additions to the heli tree, like justin said the japanese tree is pretty useless excluding the apache. And true sweden needs choppers and so does china but I doubt we get them anytime soon.

[@wellggbro3961]

hey Justin. how about an little bit of guide on UH Helis. like whats the best approach with that thing.

[@samyt681]

Do more Japan vehicles, type 93 the suffering spaa

[@Freezetusk]

Not counting the Type 93, the japanese have no tanks between 9.0 and 10.7. The de-facto BR of the AH-64DJP is 10.7 as you really don't want to uptier your Type 16 and 74G to 10.3 just to use a mediocre helicopter. I do think it's justified at 10.3, and I do think the 64D should be 10.7. Due to Stingers being garbage, any plane aware of them existing is a hard counter, even if no SAMs are up.

[@goldenx9878]

10:21 "hellfires are op"

[@Brenzilla4698]

Can you take a look at the japanese m47 while you're at it? Never really seen anyone play it

[@MarketChange]

That's because of the repair cost of the thing(i'm a Japan main) and it costs two times the repair cost of Type 61 spaded as a stock vehicle

[@Brenzilla4698]

@@MarketChange Same here! But I just want to see other people’s views on it lol

[@DiegoTeixeira]

What about mistral and iglas? Are they better than stingers? Stingers really do suck, hate them to the bones in my UHT and Peten.

[@sharkk127]

Damnit justin I was listening to music before going to bed lol

[@lilcoolcat]

What do you think of the m60a1 aos now at 8.0 and do you think you could do a vid on it at that br one day?

[@frankerin8655]

My experience with top tier helis is totally different. I have the american apache and in 90% of the games you get fcked in the first 30sec by tunguska or flarakrad... on couple of maps the spawn is even so bad that they could lock on to me before i even took off. And when im in tanks i have almost all of the top tier tanks... the helis cant do nothing... you are oneshoted by helis maybe 1/10 shoots and when your not, you just pop smoke and in the next 20s your spaa will shoot him down couse he over exposed him self and he will die. Or even simpler on tanks like merkava mk3d you have LWS so you cant even get shoot with heli. I researched my merkva in the event and since then i havent been killed by heli once, onest to god. In my opinion all heli trees should have 60-80% decrese in rp research because its just inposible to research. Ka50 is the king in heli sim and in ground RB you get maybe 1000rp per game if you do somethink and not get killed in first 30 seconds. Or higher the rp multiplyer on all helis by like 200%

[@moonbear2130]

You can’t really do anything against ka-50s but for dealing with missiles SPAAs if you bring 8x hellfires and rockets you can shoot down incoming SPAA missiles with your rockets while guiding a hellfire towards them, it takes some practice but it’s easy

[@frankerin8655]

@@moonbear2130 so if you guid hellfires towards rockets will it destroy them... or do you have to take unguided rockets...

[@moonbear2130]

@@frankerin8655 no unguided rockets, if you see enemy radar pings then immediately search for them and find them, lock them up and shoot a hellfire, they will likely also launch a missile at you, watch their missile and when it gets close to your fire a salvo of your unguided rockets at them and they should detonate the proximity fuse of the SPAA, missile, then your hellfire should still hit them as they need to maintain visual to guide their missile, I’ll find a video to better explain It

[@moonbear2130]

@@frankerin8655 finally found something, it’s not exactly the same since this is an mi-28 but the strategy is the same kzbin.info/www/bejne/d4G8iJmPmrqCjtE Skip to the 10:00 mark on this video, you’ll be him shoot a rocket salvo at the incoming SPAA missile, his first ATGM gets intercepted but Russian ATGMs fly in a straight line whereas hellfires fly in an arc so this won’t happen to them

[@frankerin8655]

@@moonbear2130 yea i know what you ment with a bit of practise this should be easy...

[@JorgeMartinez-mg4bs]

Ahhhhh shit he just said AH xi jingping aka Winnie poo

[@VanillaFox1-1]

No Fire control radar?

[@shirghazaycowboys]

Shame, this thing should be an absolute terror on the battlefield. Doesn't command that same presence in game. Probably because hostile fast air is ALWAYS there. SAMs are ALWAYS there and life without radar hunters coming after them with HARMs. Hostile attack helicopters are ALWAYS there. There's no sparrows or sidewinders smacking them out of the sky (why are those bugged?) There's no cohesion, no combined arms working in UNISON.

[@kenichi9103]

just let japan have some love

[@AJ-happydad]

They always find a way to make effective America tech irl not effective in game. But the Russian counter parts own the game literally

[@cjkcjk6933]

I was there at the first battle and the last battle.and I shot u at 11:04 with dm23 but it only crit…i have hundreds of question mark running in my head:(

[@namyx_71]

Tank shells do nothing to helis in WT

[@cjkcjk6933]

@@namyx_71 I know :D I was hoping. But it’s war thunder .lamo

[@eliveltonss4041]

Justin are your logo done? I might buy some GE at end of year, and I am considering using your 3% off to do so

[@daveshilling6610]

What is this heli liek compared to the ka52?

[@CharliMorganMusic]

Better at killing tanks by a very wide margin (hellfires fly straight to the target, while the Vikhers will only reliably hit targets that 1.5km away at the bare minimum); the Vikhers also acts as an active missile defense, too. Mobility is better in a knife fight, but otherwise, it's worse imo bc it has weaker engine; the KA52 flies a lot more like a plane; hovering and facing the correct direction is incredibly difficult and you're also much more concerned with keeping a high energy state bc the KA52 becomes very agile in that while the Apache gets worse as speed increases. The Apache doesn't have proximity fuses on its missiles (AA range is limited to 4 and the stinger has a very narrow field of view compared to the Aim-9); proxy fuse also means it can be an active missile defense. Apache radar is better imo. The gun is better tho bc it is on a turret so it does better at engaging air vehicles at very close range. Overall, the KA52 is better because it can engage air targets at longer range, and flying vehicles are much more likely to kill you than ground anti-air. If you already have air DOMINANCE, the Apaches are better, but when does that ever happen, honestly.

[@Madiris23]

I made it in the video! Let's gooooooooo!!

[@derritter3873]

I’m almost halfway to the AH-1S early but just that has taken me like 3 months. Should I just get the Kisarazu to grind out the rest?

[@overkillgaming6527]

No get the ah1 Early and put a talisman on it basically a ah1s without thermals so you can grind both the next ones out with it trust me it's a huge improvement and makes it easier

[@imdone5566]

Hey Justin! How do you really grind helicopters?

[@imdone5566]

They are seriously hard to grind :(

[@L-91539]

You buy the premium Helicopter for the country your grinding, then it’s easier not having to use a lot of research points

[@frankerin8655]

Other than russia with the ka50 anything alls to grind is really hard... but if you buy premmium heli for any tech tree it will be 10x easier

[@firewing1319]

4:03 in a situation like that you should fire all your atgms off to lighten your heli because of the damaged engines. Edit 4:18 yeah like that.

[@ty8012]

Also you should try to bring your Collective down too because it over works the engine if you have one of the engines out ideally you should bring your Collective down to like 60% to half the workload

[@Ичкербох]

There problem whit DJP you eather grind on kisarazu or donate 20k+ eagle

[@mujipanda1947]

I've only very rarely seem anyone else playing in the DJP it's just me alone :(

[@itzrixis1919]

(I know this is an old comment) It's because getting past the first heli sucks and all the heli's don't have a ground lineup that works with any of them.

[@xx360pwnagexx3]

Are the hellfires not as useful for air to air as the vikhr?

[@tovarnich5274]

There’s no comparing the two. Hellfires are slower by like 200 m/s, track moving targets way worse, and have no proxy fuse

[@10kmilesy]

Only thing going for the hellfires in an AA scenario is that your enemy probably won’t see them coming

[@adityayusuf5671]

Justinn plsss review type 74g, i want to buy it

[@Ent1610]

Hey Justin, can you play the Fv4005? Attempt #7

[@travisw1754]

You should revisit some of the helis with Hellfires they been buffed massively! so much 1 tap kill potential

[@nhannguyen-hs8hm]

G91 r4

[@FetaCheese717]

Just give it a LWS and boost it to 10.7, I’ve been grinding for it just so I have more CAS options in top tier Japan. Japan heli grind is horrible btw.

[@WoooshProductions]

*laughs in italian*

[@FetaCheese717]

@@WoooshProductions yeah, Japan and Italy do have the worst heli grind. What? You want the next heli? That’ll be 380,000 RP please.

[@maverickjhett]

@@FetaCheese717 380k with only 38 rockets or 2 MGs and like 20 rockets, very cool, glad to see minor nations getting some love!

[@xueroger678]

Can I have my thermal back for Ka-50 it's 10.7 now everything has one thermal. :(

[@klarnorbert]

This is why I don't play top tier. It's cancer.

[@oJuno-_-]

My personal opinion is that this should be a 11.0 But ik as of currently it can't nor will I think it ever will. But if this went up to 10.7 it would be fine too seeing how currently the 2 Japanese top tier tanks are 10.7. While I do think the lack of MAW is a huge disadvantage, I don't think that alone is justifiable for it to be 10.3. I dont wan't to say that you can necessarily abuse it by using it at 10.3 and downtiers, because risking getting into 11.0 with basically a 9.0 lineup just to get 9.3 downtiers does not seem like its worth it at all. I think being at 10.7 would be better and there really isn't much reason for it not to be. What bothers me about the Japanese tech tree is that the helis up until the DJP have no real lineups/usages. The Huey is hopelessly bad and useless, and the 2 cobras don't have a lineup. Maybe the first one that you get at 9.3 is doable but then your ground lineup is very subpar for those brs. Japans brs in ground where you can realistically have a lineup goes from 9.0 to 10.7 while the choppers are 8.3 to 9.3-9.7 to 10.3. There is absolutely no synergy with the ground lineups aside from the UH1B which isn't worth using at all and the DJP. One can hope for more vehicles and ik the Type10 was leaked, but I would also like to see more vehicles in the form of prototypes and such added that can fill the br void that is 9.0-10.7/11.0.

[@t00talbr00tal]

Bro you have misunderstood the meaning of "talking head" It needs a head, not just a disembodied voice

[@gansior4744]

Tfw best Helicopter in the world, actually sucks in game

[@CJ-111]

Make a tank only mode!!!!

[@CharliMorganMusic]

Arcade Tank Battles. War Thunder Realistic is that bc Realistic battlefield isn't only tanks

[@CJ-111]

@@CharliMorganMusic realistic isn't a fleet of G91 and KA50's spamming the same battlefield with wheeled vehicles flying round the map...

[@revh_g18x_whk02]

Neet

[@Drout83]

You talk a lot of trash on pilots of the KAs. Oddly enough, its your most played heli. No hate, just sayin'.