The Illuminate, The Wormhole, and the Future of Helldivers 2

[@BeatyDubbs1337]

So the Illuminate DID have weapons of mass destruction and Super Earth was 100% justified in their pre-emptive strike? Wow, we truly are the good guys.

[@Jo_Plays_Games]

Of course we are! I love super earth!

[@ohenthevoidwatcher3939]

perhaps. but there's a saying i like. "one sword keeps another in the sheath" sometimes the threat of violence alone is a deterrent. the fact they never used any of these weapons of mass destruction. on the bunch of monkey's attacking them. proves these were likely never meant to be used. sometimes a discovery is too horrifying to use. so the best you can do is lock it away

[@that1guy898]

​@ohenthevoidwatcher3939 I'm sorry but I'm definitely gonna have to report you for treason

[@yesisaiah9246]

@ohenthevoidwatcher3939 there’s a prime example of that called the “Cold War” the threat of violence and mutual destruction causes peace

[@theleeryone]

​@@yesisaiah9246funny thing about the cold war, it wasn't a particularly peaceful period

[@EepsayYukay]

One aspect of the Illuminate I adore is the potential in seeing them evolve from the first game. They started out as a race of intellectual Darwinists who arguably fought us in the first War not with tanky units and overwhelming numbers, but with superior technology and unconventional tactics. Now that they've been beaten back, they've decided to play dirty, resorting to Voteless hordes and their Overseers, while their HD1 Walkers have been given heavier armor and laser armaments. Once the main Squid armada arrives, I really hope that their other units utilize more mind-screwy tactics on our Divers. The Bots have overwhelming firepower, the Bugs have tanky enemies that swarm, so I'd like the Squids to have a more "glass cannon" approach to combat: not as durable as the Heavies from other factions, but hellish to fight due to underhanded tactics, to symbolize them resorting to darker methods to fight us in the second War.

[@Jo_Plays_Games]

In the first draft of this script, I referenced the cult/mysticism aspects of their culture to Arthur C. Clarke's "any form of sufficiently advanced technology is akin to magic." The moniliths and the more magical aspect of the Illuminate has been present since helldivers 1, but greatly underdeveloped, imo. I'm hopeful we'll get to see it be more involved throughout the course of Helldivers 2!

[@AzureIV]

Looking forward to the HD2 equivalents of the smaller Tripods (right now we are seeing the larger Strider-equivalents with the Harvesters, the Tripods would be like Bot Devastators/Scout Striders), invisible stealth sniper Hunters, large Obelisk tanks (which teleported around and created energy walls that could cut you in half), and the psionic Illusionist/Council Members that inverses your controls.

[@Felasonic12]

Control inversion is most likely not coming, and if it does it's on a lesser scale. HOWEVER! The illuminate entries suggest that illusioners live up to their name and actually cast illusions! Obelisks could return properly, and they would most likely have also a weapon, I'd say something along the lines of elevated overseers. The hunters (snipers) are probably gonna return more armored and more annoying, since squids now actually use armor and value the lives spent. ​@@AzureIV

[@fruitsalad5036]

same i've been thinking for awhile that they seem way more aggressive and cruel than in the first game

[@muscularclassrepresentativ5663]

@@fruitsalad5036we traumatized a whole species! Meanwhile humans living in a hierarchical and competetive society are like haha first time?

[@Komadrei]

Roo told me an illuminate would sell me fent. The south was left unguarded. 10/10

[@westtgd]

10:00 The Meridia Blackhole "has this sound playing from it" *the ad starts* 😂

[@Jo_Plays_Games]

Damn you, KZbin! For the record, I don't set those, so the omniscient YT mind totally punked you. I'm sorry.

[@Slizzo2-b8n]

Same lol

[@alejandrocarralero2826]

By the way, every single time we lose a defense against them, a secret number called "potential buildup" raises

[@muscularclassrepresentativ5663]

Ahhhh trouble. Thanks for the word, helldiver

[@willvanauger3273]

im fairly sure the colour change is just becuase on the galactic map we are Blue when liberating and they changed the illuminate to purple for clarity of information. we are also monitoring the black hole now so i doubt the illuminate we are fighting come from there, but more likely that they WILL come from there. I do like the idea that they gave us dark fluid knowing it was the key to their return though.

[@Jo_Plays_Games]

That's a VERY valid point. It just never stood out to me until I saw the stark contrast on the Wiki, so that probably colors a lot of how I processed that change. The Illuminate we're currently fighting totally don't come from the wormhole. I've had two people comment that they DID, but I've revisited all the official game mission briefings and end of engagement recaps, NOTHING in the published game materials say they came from the wormhole as far as I've seen. It would make 0 sense for them to have initially come from the wormhole. They show up from an unknown location, Super Earth theorizes they were just somehow missed in the genocide during the first war, then days after they start building the monoliths that are clearly communicating with the black hole, it finally starts changing. If they came through the singularity in the first place, wouldn't the change have happened BEFORE they arrived, and the main fleet came through, instead of just a trickle and then them setting up stuff that's clearly changing the black hole? The assumption people are making that they came from the black hole when they showed up during the Calypso engagement makes no sense to me at all.

[@RooOnTop]

I absolutely love when squid aliens slip in from the south

[@Jo_Plays_Games]

You would.

[@spoopyghosti6961]

Real as fuck.

[@Acesahn]

A society where AI moderates our every move? Hah! Stupid aliens. Couldn't happen to me!

[@Jo_Plays_Games]

Hahaha, yeah that could never happen! We'd have to be living in some kind of cyberpunk dystopia for that!

[@therandomcommenter6629]

Yeah exactly super Earth's voting AI algorithms are totally superior and are in no way similar

[@Acesahn]

@ I left a comment about this but is mysteriously disappeared. Weird... oh well! Probably just a bug.

[@friendlycanadian3150]

Honestly, if and this is a big if, but if done right, having a benevolent, hyper intelligent AI does sort of sound like the best form of leadership you could have. It wouldn't discriminate, it wouldn't be corrupt, and it would be able to see the bigger picture well also being able to zoom in and see issues on a more local level. But AI isn't currently on that level and might never be, not to mention you have to issue of who would make it and would they have control of it or what if it decided it doesn't need humanity and tries to get rid of us.

[@Acesahn]

@@friendlycanadian3150 I could see that, but how would we prevent it from callously devolving into inhuman logic? Where people are just numbers to be managed and quelled lol.

[@axothylest4417]

The blackhole would be a fantastic way to bring back a lot of old enemies, i hope we get to fight cyborgs again

[@Jo_Plays_Games]

I've had that same thought! It would be such an easy way to reintroduce the older enemies that have been conspicuously missing, and also fun. Arrowhead has said from the beginning they won't reset the galactic war map like Helldivers 1. In my mind, having an unlimited number of other universes to "liberate" would be the perfect way thematically to be able to have multiple galactic wars without resetting the map. Each time we win or lose, we get a new chance to liberate an entirely new universe and spread managed democracy further than we ever dreamed!

[@henrysmithtv]

wasnt expecting helldivers lore here but am not complaining

[@Jo_Plays_Games]

Good! Then I won't have to ask you to face the wall.

[@shuttlecrossing7084]

It's telling that the Terminids are starting to attack systems in the south of the galactic map. From a game management perspective, Arrowhead wants to migrate the Terminid missions to the south, so that the Illuminate can come through the Meridia wormhole and be the northeastern threat.

[@wheatbreadonemillion]

I do think the reason for the Super Earth planet being different from HD1 is because its a placeholder. We are not supposed to be able to access land view of Super Earth yet, that would explain why the geography is totally different. HD2 leakers have even landed on Super Earth before and realized the biome down there is just a placeholder and is similar to planets like Angels Venture. Besides that, awesome video! The illuminate setting us up and getting reinforcements from another timeline would be awesome.

[@vandal6382]

Helldivers lore is like if Bungie saw Red Vs Blue and decided to make the story around the fans

[@TheMorbose]

I personally believe the squids are here now to PREVENT anymore dark fluid holes, cause they are tears into another dimension. Hear me out, daemonids! The new 4th faction, helldivers has most of the tropes but dimensional terrors.

[@RobotCupcak3]

Here's my thoughts: I've always thought that it was wierd how on the galaxy map threre was too much space for just 3 factions and a fouth faction might eventually appear... Your video made me think "what if the fourth faction is actually... Super Earth from the other timeline?" I know, I know, a deranged undemocratic idea... BUT They do say it in HD1 when the war is lost that Super Earth is looking for a suitable replacement...

[@Jo_Plays_Games]

That's a really interesting idea! I've always hesitated toward leaning into any theories that we'd ever directly fight other humans. I know a lot of the audience have said "we should get to fight dissidents someday!" But to me, that removes the hyperbolic parody of how much Super Earth enjoys war if we're just slaughtering other humans that scream and react in the same very visceral way our Helldivers do. It just seems....too dark. BUT! In an infinite number of timelines where humans may have evolved/devolved into ANYTHING, who KNOWS what a Super Earth foe could look like....

[@Certified500kgBomb]

@@Jo_Plays_GamesThere was a 4th faction teased on a Super Destroyer TV News, where some Super Earth Colonists encountered a alien species on a swamp planet, and Super Earth claimed that they eradicated the whole species, idk if that could be a tease to 4th faction.

[@Justsomeguy-v2d]

@@Certified500kgBombI think that was just a joke… also logistically wouldn’t a fourth faction spread the player base too far

[@spoonsareoccasionallymadeo5728]

I can already imagine the insults Super Earth would throw at "Ultra Earth" calling them a "Warped sorry excuse for what can barely be considered a 'democracy" Which also would ironically also describe Super Earth

[@Certified500kgBomb]

@@Justsomeguy-v2d you can literally see the galactic map still bigger for a 4th faction

[@endplanets]

Well then the 4th faction could be alt-Helldiverse from a different timeline. Where evil hippies took over and they can call in statagems to kill players.

[@Robogames05]

i think some of the points you make are a stretch but I really really like the theory of the wormhole leading to the alternate timeline where the illuminate won the war

[@danielbob2628]

Look, the "obey my cat" thing might work with female viewers, but I need something different. Instead, I'd recommend showing a picture of your cat looking proud, then saying "My cat is feeling confident and happy. Subscribe to call him a stupid poop!"

[@Jo_Plays_Games]

Oh he knows. I'm always telling him he's a stupid little goblin. Also it's a Zoolander reference and Zoolander is funny af.

[@danielbob2628]

@Jo_Plays_Games Ah, I see. Thanks for reassuring me. I'll subscribe.

[@Jo_Plays_Games]

Lol, any time. Also thank you for watching and taking the time to comment!

[@kamerona4723]

I wonder if this is gonna lead to a whole thing of not just illuminate coming from the wormhole but the other factions who were also victorious. sure i do just want to see the cyborgs again and settle my score with the siegemech but it would be crazy to see all of those units again in the new artstyle.

[@Shadow-sword]

I’m waiting on the hive lords to finaly come back up from the nests, every time I see their exoskeletons on the surface I get flashbacks. And I swear those exoskeletons have been slowly getting bigger since release

[@Jo_Plays_Games]

I've had this EXACT thought! It'd be such a fun and easy way to be able to bring in anything from the previous game, especially the conspicuously missing tougher enemies....

[@P.H691]

Imagine this is how they bring back kaiju boss fights.

[@Shadow-sword]

I feel like the elimination of the illuminate would make a bit more sense the other way around, having obliterated the great eyes and banished what remains of the fleshy illuminate to the void as a “non issue” Beyond that them reaching into a galaxy where they won for reinforcements sounds interesting, future will tell if it pans out as so

[@Jo_Plays_Games]

That's perfectly valid. I guess to me, it seems more likely that Super Earth would underestimate and write off a TRUE AI, especially if it was advanced enough to see the logical decision in deception and trying to pass itself off as a complete non-threat. The humans in Helldivers are very motivated to go to war with anything, especially if they feel they can gain something from it. Flesh and blood seems much more like something they can understand as a direct threat, and something to be gained from its eradication.

[@samiamtheman7379]

That would be interesting since it does beg the question of who the Illiminate are without the Great Eyes leading them. Apparently, pretty messed up.

[@BRDoriginal]

12:10 I actually believe that Super Earth (not saying they are evil) releases the bugs at the start of the war to ensure they had enough E7-10 to fight the war. (a completely just and worthy endeavor by super earth)

[@Keeriijra]

Fantastic video, I was suspecting a lot of the points brought up but never actually looked into how everything fits together. Awesome job!

[@Jo_Plays_Games]

I'm glad you enjoyed it! It's been a fun ride so far piecing together the lore and I'm hoping to do a lot more!

[@VitorHugoOliveiraSousa]

The theory of another time-line is plausible, especially because Helldivers like to mix sci-fi tropes with real world speculative science. Like the warp drive is called the alcubiere drive. In that same vain one of the interpretation of general relativity is that a black hole is a wormhole to another universe/space-time continuum. But everything you said could also be explained by just one simple fact. Super Earth is lying from the beginning. The canon ending is that they lost the first galactic war. It's weird how a they would have won a 3 front war, when one of the factions is so much more advanced than them. Hell they didn't even had FTL, so that would mean a massive disadvantage. The squid could do with earth and it's colony like the Reapers did with organic intelligent space faring civilizations after they cut out access to the mass relay network. They took isolated colonies one by one since they didn't had means to secure reinforcement and redeploy at galactic scale. It's much more likely than they lost, earth was destroyed. But before losing they managed to get hold of parts of their technology. They flee the galaxy on some short of FTL Ark to one of dwarf galaxies neighboring the milk way or even Andromeda Galaxy. The refugees of the war settled in a earth like planet, founded the new super earth and rewrote history that they won. Now the squid found the survivors and want to finish the job. The ones coming from the south of the galaxy map are the vanguard fleet that took the long slow FTL path following the humans. Reaching from the edge of the new galaxy super earth migrated to. They want to open the wormhole to the main force coming from the milky way to come and annihilate humanity for good.

[@DCPTF2]

while the idea of a multiverse is cool i still think the theory that the Illuminate are trying to bring something from the past into the present is going to prove to be true in the end, one of the ones i personally hope is true is the idea that they are going to bring the Bosses from the first game back as a way to justify us fighting stuff like that again and again so each time we defeat a boss the Illuminate just grab it from the past again

[@SplitFinn]

Would also explain why the Illuminate seem a lot more ruthless than they were in the first war. This is before they became pacifists.

[@nekomiaou]

The bubble shield and the tesla tower were already avalaible in Helldivers 1, as a veteran of the first war (12 of them in fact), The bubble shield was a must have in difficulty 13 to 15 against the squids. I used both a lot. So we didn't take those techs from the illuminates, we had them in the first place. I don't recall any plasma based weapon, tho. But this doesn't invalidate your point.

[@Jo_Plays_Games]

The Illuminate extended their friendship, cooperation, and sharing of technology before they and Super Earth were at opposing sides of the galactic war. It's still pretty likely the tech came from them, but that IS a good point! Thank you for watching!

[@daswordofgork9823]

Is this a new series call, “no , seriously, WTF is happening in Helldivers 2?”

[@R0yalGaming2000]

I'm not a big fan of this theory. What you say makes sense if you ask me but the split timelines in 2025 is just way too oversaturated in story telling. with one timeline it makes the stakes much higher in my opinion. Because if there is one timeline then that means there unlimited. If this version of the illuminate knew to create timeline wormholes to let other timelines in then so did another version and another version making infinite timelines. I understand it will make the losing for the first game noncannon an issue for some people but its still a video game at the end of the day. I think the proof of the two different planets dont check out because in the same intro cutscene the helldivers didn't have magazines in their guns. It was most likely a production mistake just like this one. I do think the illuminate knew what they were doing when they gave over resources because they had a super AI, im sure it did the math and knew this was going to happen. But I like the idea of one true timeline because it means the illuminate are risking more than their "version" for the war, they are actually risking their whole species and same with humanity. More timelines will devalue the importance of one idea because if you lose one there's a similar yet different version. Its like if I have one N2 pencil and a mechanical one, both pencils and do the same job, they're just a bit different. I do thank you for talking about the idea!

[@weebslayer3411]

Here's a theory that Merida is not a portal but a weaponized black hole reaching the end of its life. When it goes off, it's gonna take the gloom with it

[@thethingOOO]

I like the theory that the dark fluid injection opened up a wormhole to illuminate space, dumping a terminid mega hive in their back yard, forcing them to war.

[@C4MG1RL]

Things to note The Illuminate were pacifist that refused to give all their tech to Super Earth when demanded, so SE decided to lie that they had WMDs to declare war and steal all their tech. The "magic" in the first game was explained as being nanites Super Earth doesn't control the galaxy, it's literally impossible for them to have wiped out the squ'ith or exiled them from "the galaxy" We blew up The Great Eye at the end of the first galactic war

[@LitlBlackDragonNinja]

multiple timelines is bad. I hope it is not that the case.

[@gregc8831]

This is super cool and I'm happy to learn about this but DARKTIDE EVENT!!!!

[@Jo_Plays_Games]

I plan to make a short about that and also talk a little about the events of 2024!

[@NakedAvanger]

Youre shooting the wrong joints on the tripods...

[@sourstraps7544]

Absolute banger from Jo once again!!🔥🔥🔥

[@Jo_Plays_Games]

Awww, thank you!

[@LeavemyhouseNOW]

I’d go insane if I saw S.E.A.F soldiers and Helldivers as voteless.

[@louiswinterhoff334]

This is all really interesting, we'll have to see how it all unfolds in-game

[@Jo_Plays_Games]

I'm very excited to see where it's going. Arrowhead has said that the Illuminate are up to something "mysterious" that will unfold over the next few months.

[@jinxclaessen1544]

yo DAM u rly knowledgable about this i tought i heard a lot from other youtubers but wow theres so many things here that they just either forgot or never noticed/mentioned. amazing

[@benjaminstiles]

Absolute freaking BANGER of a video

[@BeardGrizzly]

Was nice to find this little video and appreciate the theories! I know it was something that was told to us through dispatch during the Calypso operation, but they did mention that the Illuminate came through the black hole, more importantly now labeled as a worm hole from the Turing research center. Again, it's super earth comms so it's always grain of salt. I've got some of my own theories swimming around in the ol' mind palace. Very curious to see where things go. One true sentiment, however, is the Illuminate are now, instead of just a defensive force, a force of war and vengeance. And that will change the face of their tactics and how they mold their units and equipment to boot. Seeing this transformation, along with that similar of the Cyborgs to the Automatons, is intersting enough to me. How does a society change when pushed to the brink?

[@Jo_Plays_Games]

Thanks for watching! Do you have any sources for screenshots of that in-game communication that confirms they came through the black hole? I'm afraid I may have missed something major, because I just went back through all the mission briefings from Calypso onward, and everything I'm seeing says the first incursion is unknown in it's source, but assumed to be survivors of the first war. And changes in the singularity didn't start happening until days after. Thanks so much for watching and commenting! I'm totally not trying to be like "nuh-uh," I've just been playing the whole time and am trying to figure out what I missed and how.

[@BeardGrizzly]

@@Jo_Plays_Games I had read it in the dispatches, I believe during the Calypso offensive. It was up for a very short amount of time. Something that I'm not able to find is a great list of Dispatches, though the MO's have been written out fairly well by the community. I could have sworn I had it in my list of pictures but I didn't take an image, and nor did my friends it seems. It's also entirely possible they had it out and pulled it because it wasn't the correct theorum anyway? I don't know. Been looking for over an hour to see if I can find anything and not having luck. Not sure if you have a better source for Dispatches at all.

[@Jo_Plays_Games]

Apparently it was in the patch notes as like, meta info. I might do some prodding on this. I trust Arrowhead communications FAR more than Fatshark, but even Fatshark has gotten details that are supposed to be brief recaps outright wrong in their own blogs about things. So I'm curious if this was something that was a little fudged by accident, or if that's really what we're supposed to take at face value, because none of the in-game communications have conveyed that.

[@TardyPizzaBoy]

I wasn't familiar with Helldivers before the sequel, so I wasn't immediately aware of the Illuminate. However, once I learned about the Illuminate (before they returned), I always thought it was strange that the automatons and the terminids attacked almost at the same time. Once I learned about the Illuminate, I created this theory in my head that they were somehow helping the bots and bugs, and when people started seeing strange occurrences such as the blue lights, it only made that little thought in my head bigger. It was kind of cool to actually hear someone talk about it.

[@aconcernedcommissar6261]

If it is true That just means more timelines to spread liberty too.

[@Shadow-sword]

That’d make a pretty good plot reason to slide into a new war once this one is over, sliding from the galactic super earth federation to the dimensional super earth federation

[@Jo_Plays_Games]

Honestly, that's EXACTLY where I'm hoping this goes. Arrowhead has said from the beginning they won't reset the galactic war map like Helldivers 1. In my mind, having an unlimited number of other universes to "liberate" would be the perfect way thematically to be able to have multiple galactic wars without resetting the map. Each time we win or lose, we get a new chance to liberate an entirely new universe and spread managed democracy further than we ever dreamed!

[@enviousshogun]

We spoiling all of helldivers 2 with this one 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@Jo_Plays_Games]

I won't lie, I kind of really hope so. If I fucking nailed it with this theory, I'm gonna be riding that high for the next 5-10 years.

[@enviousshogun]

@@Jo_Plays_Games I thought the illuminate were a split off of the main force that were slavers (more or less intergalactic hicks) to come round us up like cattle in their cattle ships, but knowing they're insurgents with a deeper plan that they dont even need to be AT meridia to accomplish is intimidating

[@isaakstrong2204]

i don't know if anybody has noticed but the guy at the war table can have a small difference for players, but for me he has a eye patch but when i join my friend he doesn't have an eye patch when in his game.

[@diegotepalma]

I think there is a little plot hole in the lore of helldivers: How did humanity expand and explore the galaxy, colonize planets, meet the terminids and all of that before 2044 if supposedly they stole the FTL technology from the illuminate at the end of the first galactic war in 2084?? They even name the engine for achieving FTL travel as the Alcubierre drive, which is a real theoretical HUMAN engine But idk

[@samiamtheman7379]

Eh, clearly Squid propaganda you heard there. Sure, maybe Illuminate technology helped improve FTL technology, but we certainly didn't need them to have it in the first place.

[@Silly_FrogRS]

They used the Alcubierre drive, a warp drive, before 2084. However, it took so much fuel that it was highly impractical. When they realized illuminate had tech that didn’t warp, but LITERALLY propelled you faster than light, they took it, because it ran on element 710, a much more efficient power source. However, since it’s not a warp drive, it has to have its path cleared of debris, or it would crash into something at FTL speeds. Thats why there are supply lines in the second game, basically lanes of clear space where it’s safe to go FTL.

[@diegotepalma]

@ but they still use the alcubierre drive in helldivers 2 that’s why I think it’s a plot hole They probably just kept the name the same to take credit for it lol

[@GOLDELITE245]

@@diegotepalmaYou know too much… Yes, this person right here Democracy Officer!

[@The_Dank_One]

They defiantly did come out of the wormhole it stated it when they first came out it said "they emerged from the meridian black hole" love the video though

[@Jo_Plays_Games]

I finally found the reference for this! It was in patch notes. I haven't seen it referenced anywhere in the in-game communications so, I'm gonna do some digging on that. If a retraction/update is owed, I will make one! Also thank you for watching and commenting!

[@TheHouseAlwaysWins123]

The whole “alternate universe illuminate” thing makes total sense to me. Because the current illuminate units we see in game only have 2 arms, and in the first game they had four. And the illuminate reinforcements soldiers we saw from the leaks had 4 arms, meaning it’s possible they opened a hole back in time to their old selves. It makes even more sense due to it being clear that the current illuminate numbers are limited, which is why they use the voteless. It wouldn’t make sense for the same ones to pull out more numbers out of nowhere. Which is why they had to contact themselves from a timeline where they weren’t totally eradicated

[@gcgdestinycalls7487]

Mandela effect, no illuminate had four arms in the first game

[@qrow7725]

I like the idea of illuminate call a alt time line army, but I also believe the bug hive world is going to come back from the worm hole. But I might be crazy and need to face the wall

[@gibus115]

I cast my vote with a comment to feed the algorithm. I love democracy!

[@Jo_Plays_Games]

Thank you!

[@quintrapnell3605]

Face the wall

[@partyrocker5575]

I've always thought the illumate were from a timeliness where they won, I'm glad I'm not alone with that lol

[@Jo_Plays_Games]

I think the ones we're fighting right now are truly from this same universe/timeline we've been playing in, but I think they have a MUCH more advanced concept of string theory than Super Earth does and knows that there's another version of Illuminate out there that stand a chance to come in and destroy their enemies.

[@samiamtheman7379]

Idk, given how different and more geared towards war the Illuminate in Helldiver's 2, I don't think they're the ones who won.

[@bushuckwald]

​@@samiamtheman7379 Could that also be why they won? Maybe going all out on Super-Earth the first time was enough to eek out an Illuminate victory.

[@partyrocker5575]

@Jo_Plays_Games no matter how many squids they bring they will still fall to democracy!

[@NicNewson]

This was awesome 😎

[@Jo_Plays_Games]

Thank you so much!

[@oogabooga-gaming9551]

im still new to helldivers but it doesn't seem at less to me that doing the major orders really matter. dont getting anything out of do them besides medals and nothing to show for

[@robertrobinson1135]

The "Obey my cat" thing for the subscription worked! Kudos for something actually original! Now reward me with more good content please!

[@IaconDawnshire]

You know what came out of the Blackhole? My 13th Faction. We are now forever tainted by the Dark Matter and have become VoidDivers

[@truthseekerdude]

There is no Helldivers 1 "multiverse". Every instance of the war in HD1 happens concurrent to each other, it's even said in the lore that even when the war is "won" Super Earth finds some trumped up reason to re-initiate hostilities with the factions involved, and when the war is lost they simply find another earth like world and continue the war from there. The idea would be really cool, but this is only a conclusion you can arrive at if you have not participated in a full war cycle in HD1. Not saying these Illuminate CAN'T be from an alternate timeline, but I find the reasoning on this point is flawed.

[@emojothejojo]

More evidence of this theory is that the Illuminate and Terminid homeworlds from helldivers 1 aren't on our galactic war map. Where would they have gone?

[@herbertwest6524]

Imagine there would be a second galaxy on the other side of the black hole and super earth starts ro clonize this new galaxy. Would be funny If the devs would call this update "Total Freedom"

[@Tyneras]

Face the wall! *puts kick me sign on your back* Anyway, if they do go this route, I do hope they don't devalue everything by having infinite replaceable versions the way other franchises do (Rick & Morty and Marvel jump to mind).

[@Jo_Plays_Games]

I don't think it would devalue it. If anything, it's the preferable method to just resetting the map like in Helldivers 1, imo. Arrowhead has said from the beginning they won't reset the galactic war map like Helldivers 1. In my mind, having an unlimited number of other universes to "liberate" would be the perfect way thematically to be able to have multiple galactic wars without resetting the map. Each time we win or lose, we get a new chance to liberate an entirely new universe and spread managed democracy further than we ever dreamed!

[@sorcererberoll4641]

If they do bring in a au illuminate then depending on how long it took them to defeat earth there might be some humans under there command or none at all

[@jeremym4451]

I’m sorry to tell you, but that’s not where the Mediterranean Sea is 18:18 that’s like a circle is Just in the wrong location and it’s bothering me

[@Jo_Plays_Games]

You are totally right, it should have been a bit further south. Having the UK be part of the land mass threw me off. Sea is still missing though.

[@GOLDELITE245]

@@Jo_Plays_GamesMaybe the nuclear war pre HD1 evaporated the Mediterranean and Super Earth just decided to use the land it provided.

[@Di-Sapien]

Why does this crackpot theory make sense and is cool as fuck? Man now I want this to be true.

[@SuitorASMR]

I really hope we get some more mission types and distractions soon would be a shame to have this grand story and due to gameplay reasons people jump off the game personally i have been advocating 5 astratagems per player aswell as armors that have unqiue stratagems to them that have their own extra slot additionally i think Semi-Linear missions located in huge enemy structures like Bug Hives, Bot Bunkers and Squid Churches that have been balanced for 2 player coop as a "just in case" when the players drop (and of course for people who play Solo as a mode like this would be easier to solo too) and 2 Play Coop could keep the game alive for much longer

[@michaelroy7754]

Wheres the white hero armor come from it looks cool?

[@Jo_Plays_Games]

@@michaelroy7754 it was a pre-order set

[@Arkhestra]

Jo plays GOOD games

[@Jo_Plays_Games]

I just like to have fun!

[@allones3078]

Good video thanks a lot

[@Jo_Plays_Games]

Thank YOU for watching!

[@TrevPlaysPoorly]

The voteless stole my cat

[@All-Skibidi]

Odd how they came in from the south but (presumably) entered through the Meridian wormhole (unless I’m completely wrong like always 😭)

[@Whitelance27]

For managed democracy

[@Jo_Plays_Games]

FOR SUPER EARTH!

[@Komadrei]

@@Jo_Plays_Games Which one!?

[@TheGreatPhoenix99]

@@Komadrei BOTH

[@Jo_Plays_Games]

Yes.

[@Jo_Plays_Games]

Phoenix gets it!

[@retroplayer56]

I always wondered what happened to the watch mojo girl. Keep sounding good girl

[@frankkasper5247]

The Illuminate DID come in through the black hole. Great video though

[@Jo_Plays_Games]

I finally found the reference for this! It was in patch notes. I haven't seen it referenced anywhere in the in-game communications so, I'm gonna do some digging on that. If a retraction/update is owed, I will make one!

[@Jo_Plays_Games]

Also thank you for watching!

[@kabosustan2484]

This is actually such an air tight theory...

[@343flyingbulb4]

Wait, in the first game, the humans had a tesla tower already

[@Jo_Plays_Games]

The Illuminate extended their friendship, cooperation, and sharing of technology before they and Super Earth were at opposing sides of the galactic war. It's still pretty likely the tech came from them, but that IS a good point! Thank you for watching!

[@Madcatdave]

Must obey the cat!!

[@Jo_Plays_Games]

Thank you!

[@bolojohnson711]

So you think that the illuminates orchestrated the second galactic war such as there were the ones that broke the terminads free from confinement and give some of the escape cyborgs information/technology of how to create the automatons just to wither down super earth and it's military (helldivers) for there own personal gain until when it's time for them to make there move. The only now is for what purpose because from this video I'm starting to doubt this is for simply revenge

[@isaakstrong2204]

I Love This!

[@96spaz]

Super earth made the wormhole to finally kill the squids or that's my head cannon is at this point war war never changes

[@michaelroy7754]

I think this version of the illuminate comes from another reality wer😢 they are more warlike. The voteless are the meant to be the cannon fodder for the attack on super earth when tgey arrive in force.

[@therandomcommenter6629]

Why does everyone talk about the past or a multiverse like seriously what's to stop the great eye from just had driving itself into another galaxy thinking "those humans are so dumb falling for my trick" lands on a planet finds some alien animals or something injects squid DNA voteless Style and then cultivates the illuminate somewhere else in the universe while just waiting for super Earth to use the dark fluid

[@EastCoastCrow]

squids and their jellyfish ufos

[@nahfr.]

hey... this isnt darktide

[@Jo_Plays_Games]

Correct.

[@borb5353]

AIN NO WAE THEY FIXED UP DETROIT

[@ryanartward]

I obey cat!

[@gabrielmateogarcia]

This is dissident propaganda. I hope you are right.

[@Jo_Plays_Games]

Thanks! Me too!

[@SplitFinn]

Ehhhh… not sure I like the idea of multiverses here. Guess it’s just burnout from how shit Marvel was at handling it.

[@jackrogers5712]

I'm a simple man, I click

[@Matherz4]

I really hope they don't do timelines and multiverse, that would really be meh, I loving this IP but multiverse s destroys all weight behind actions.... It would be *hit, a Alternate universe for Helldivers 1 is fine, but multiverse no no please no. I hope the black whole opens to another galaxy area that is controlled by illuminate and we have to conquer it

[@oxyyerks9849]

hell yea woman helldiver

[@jygrizzly72]

Crossover wormhole? Lol

[@lavetissene339]

IT'S NOT A WORMHOLE PLEASE

[@annihilatortank]

Opened KZbin and this pops up first. Best first vid I had in forever. New sub🪨