The Immunity Of The Lions - 40K Theories

[@baldermort]

Yep. Loved this one. Isha connection does seem a lot of fun. :). Thanks for a great vid Rem. :).

[@40KTheories]

Thank you ^^ Glad you enjoyed it :D

[@JonathanakaPotter]

​@@40KTheories Counter proposal: Tzeentch did it - just to annoy Nurgle - as part of the Great Game.

[@sigmar4564]

​@40KTheories I do Like the divine favor aspect of this video

[@brandonaughtman9091]

As much as I like the idea of Isha giving humanity aid, the idea if humanity just growing an amazing immune system gives me hope. After all, look at the humans of Catachan.

[@spartana1116]

The human gene pool is equally diverse and adaptable to practically nearly all forms of environmental conditions It helped out ancestors survive and in the far future helped those like catachan because God only knows how horrid the microbes are and gave rise to abhumans. Hell I remember some people think that blanks only existed because humanity evolving to better combat psykers and chaos

[@tnatstrat7495]

​@@spartana1116Not all diseases in 40k are biological in nature. Some or spiritual, warp based supernatural contagions.

[@TK199999]

Ironically according to Alderi myth Isha isn't just the mother of the Alderi, but of all life/sapient's.

[@jacobfreeman5444]

It could be that Isha is experimenting on humanity just as she is being experimented on. Giving boons against certain threats and seeing what comes of it. Not for their own good but as a weapon against her captor. After all the space elves don't have much going for them right now. Kinda pointless to do that kind of things on a long lived species that is not able to replenish their numbers very quickly. Even one bad result would be devastating to both them and her.

[@danielabreuer9617]

I appreciate this approach to the lore very much. Looking at a phenomenon that is yet unexplained, looking what information lore provides and might be a logical explenation for this phenomenon, then theorizing lore-based instead of hypothezing out of the blue or just repeating and rephrasing what the sources say. And offering several possible explanations parallel without valueing them and claiming the one or the other to be "the" truth. Thank you very much for your work.

[@sarjurastormblade953]

Given their proximity to the eye of terror and the main foe they ended up fighting against, I could also see Tzeentch's subtle influence at work, its not exactly his traditional method but it is empowering a foe that inconveniences his main rival's underlings so I could see this as part of the great game.

[@chrisgarbutt1893]

Honestly, I like the Isha theory. GW has basically forgotten about her despite her potentially being the God emperor greatest ally in combating chaos.

[@Matt-md5yt]

yes and I still think she is the Tree of Life that Russ is after

[@danielabreuer9617]

Indeed. The Aeldari don't need Ynnead. They have Isha. Make something out of it.

[@Jebbis]

@@Matt-md5ytthat’s exactly what I did for my wrath and glory game. Following the Farseer’s vision the intrepid heroes found themselves in a daemon of Tzeench’s labyrinth and eventually made it to the center where its lair was. In this lair they see many statues in various sizes and states of wear with one being quite larger than the others holding a very large axe, but its features are worn and unidentifiable. They fight the daemon and are not fairing well and suddenly the Farseer gets a message telling her just one thing “The axe”. She yells to the Primaris to see if he can get the axe that the hulking humanoid figure is holding. The Primaris gets the axe and after an almost complete TPK they mange to kill the daemon. Moments after they kill the daemon the hulking statue and a couple others shatter and become human again, the Primaris doesn’t know who this is but is instantly filled with a need to bow before him. The man identifies himself as Russ and two of the others who went on his quest to find the tree of life and tells them that he was mistaken and that “it was no tree, but a she” how they made it to the garden and stumbled upon Isha. They could not free her and were attacked by forces of Nurgle, forced to retreat, and were badly worn down and captured by this daemon. As they escape the warp I cut to a scene of Björn The Fell Handed suddenly stirring and howling in triumph and as the chapter master comes to see him he just yells. “RUSS LIVES!”

[@alexanderbeard6460]

Hmm, has anyone else noticed the increasing numbers of little hints and suggestions in the lore that mankind might actually be capable of invading Nurgle's realm?

[@BohdanKaiba]

I love Scions, I can't wait to build my army in the Spring time. Love that you talked about one of there more interesting lore aspects that gets over looked. Also Taurox Primes for the win!

[@SpliffingBrit]

Why in the spring?

[@jesseberg3271]

You left out the possibility of it being something Daemonic. A rival of Nurgle could be shielding them, not for their own sake but as part of an overly intricate plot to weaken the Plague Lord's standing in The Great Game. It could even be one of the Grandfather's own schemes to bring them gradually but inexorably into his fold by slowly exposing them to more and more of his "gifts".

[@singletona082]

A long game of 'make these guys hyper immune to the point they'll start using bio weapons against their enemies. Nergal is generally not one for subtilties but that is a fun thought.

[@Matt-md5yt]

Glad you did a theory on the Scions. I always thought they are pretty cool

[@kennyleung9909]

Don't know what they're like in 10th. But i remember back in 7th edition, The Tempestus Scion were like an anti marine army on the table top.

[@obnoxiouspriest]

Frozen world might have less capacity for developing a robust immune system. Colder climates tend to have less diverse pathogens. But the Imperium has been fielding gene enhanced regiments since before unification. The Geno 52 Chiliad being a good example. While much has been lost it certainly seems possible that the technology and knowledge exists to perform more subtle and less obvious gene enhancements on baseline humans. Pumping up shock troops with an incredibly resilient immune system would certainly be advantageous.

[@Lumen_Obscurum]

It's entirely possible that the resilience is due to an inherent change brought about my their climate. Their body might be more efficient at heating itself, which means when a pathogen triggers and immune response their core temp goes up super fast and burns the infection out. Or perhaps it's a reverse, that their bodies have adapted to run colder than baseline human which means the pathogen is in a very different environment than what it expects. At least, those are "40K" style ideas for why their immune systems seem so much stronger than everyone else's without it being Isha's doing.

[@Lumen_Obscurum]

Oh, and I just thought of another explanation. Crossing the xenopathogen and frozen world idea. Their world may have an ancient Aeldari antigen that Isha could influence through, the Whisper of Isha we can call it. The antigen was frozen upon their world at some point, whether it be via a medical ship crashing or whatever. The antigen has since escaped confinement and then been frozen in the ice. The humans have unknowingly taken in the antigen in their water supply, which we could call something like the Tears of Isha. These pass on her whispered immune responses to the host body to protect it, and while it was *intended* for Eldar to use it, Humanity is just as much at threat from Nurgle.

[@MalachiteDragon1]

The comedy option would be, I think, that the Lions just found an STC that specifically details Decontamination Procedures(tm) that the entire rest of the Imperium forgot about. "Wash our hands? What for?"

[@firefang600]

Kinda want deltic lions cosmetics for darktide now

[@MarqFJA87]

Alternative explanation: A Malleus cabal's experimentation using psychic or even sorcerous means. The Ordo does have a history of some of its elements doing stuff like that; just look at the Exorcists chapter, for example.

[@awesomehpt8938]

Bit of a stretch. But maybe the Deltic Lions are made up of long distant descendants of the Geno five two chilliad. The unit went missing during the great crusade but maybe their genetic stock was preserved and now makes up this part of the tempestus scions.

[@jasoncown]

I'm grateful you're still producing videos for us, Remlaiz

[@octavius32a64]

Excellent work as always

[@jestinjeffries9430]

Another great video as always, fascinating idea for Isha to have bestowed her blessing on their world. I was just introduced to inquisitor Greyfax while reading the Fall of Cadia novel. Could you please do a video about her who she is, how she ended in Trazyn's Pokeball and what is she up to now, if you would be so kind my good sir. Hope you are doing well, it is great as always to hear your voice educating me further in the vast 40k lore

[@oldeskul]

It's a possibility that the Schola selects those who only come from a specific type of death world to train to become Lions. Another possibility is that this could have been some sort of machination of the Emperor, altering baseline humans during the Great Crusade. He did have his fingers in a lot of pies.

[@cantorofleng7837]

I wonder why scions are not given some kind of close range specialization/support unit, considering how expensive and difficult each solider is to train and equip. I can see some minor augmentations done for example, to increase their affinity to slav and frenzon- there has been precedence of their 30k analog, the solar auxilla equipping their troops with power axes. Bone'ead auxiliaries would also go a long way.

[@memesofwarhemmer7076]

Nurgle corrupting space marines with the emporer himself saying they are imune to plagues vs some humans with a funny lore blurb making nurgle look like a flu 😂

[@singletona082]

Fuck your transhumanist bullshit. My Heart bleeds Olive Green.

[@obnoxiouspriest]

One of the hardest working channels in the 40k lore-sphere over here! And one of the oldest that I'm familiar with. How long have you been at this Rem?

[@40KTheories]

I think around 7-8 years by this point. :)

[@obnoxiouspriest]

@@40KTheories Time flows in strange ways. Very much appreciate you delivering such well thought out theories. I also really appreciate that you continue to give play to the wonderful soundtrack from final liberation.

[@40KTheories]

It seemed fitting for a guard-adjacent topic ^^

[@jonathantheslow]

It’s pretty funny that two loretubers posted videos involving Isha on the same day

[@obnoxiouspriest]

Oh yeah. I have been waiting for this.

[@Brawlingsilver]

I wish the scions got some more lore

[@Omnicide101]

We love to see dudes built different. Excellent video!

[@andychap6283]

Always glad to see another theory, appreciate the channel

[@ak318]

A random though for the Isha theory, with the world heing near the Eye of Terror. What if instead of Isha directly giving aid, instead it is thr world was a former Aeldari world pre-slaneesh and maybe the world has her blessing rather than the humans on it.

[@PrancingGoldfish]

It could be argued that because the Eldari dont really have the forces to truly fight chaos, Isha chose to empower humanity becuase they actually have the manpower to take the fight to chaos. Eldar try to avoid fighting as much as possible because it will take them a long time to recoup the losses.

[@volk551]

Well, it could be this. A lot of diseases can't survive in really warm bodies and you said the lions world is an ice world so they could have just higher body temperature

[@Pfasma5]

Love this….providing answers but keeping the mystery alive

[@cognisant307]

I reckon they've undergone some modification to increase their metabolic rate, this would make it more difficult for a pathogen or toxin to adversely affect them, but overclocking the body like this would naturally lead them to aging faster which is not an ideal trait for highly trained elite soldiers. But as a specialist force, for specific missions, the trade-off is worthwhile.

[@tomyorke3412]

1:19 POV your about to get fluffy cuddles

[@randomacademypilot]

Thank you.

[@Yarkoonian]

Yeah they just never washed their hands before or after they eat and they just got like this. Built different.

[@jamiecarr7372]

Think the genetic surgery route makes sense due to how most of the surgeries require a stronger acceptance rate and tougher people usually. So, maybe the frozen world and the advanced hemoglobin allows them to be the only squad to be able take the surgeries (much like space Marines and gland warriors.)

[@Icspiders247]

Bros just took their vitamins and vaccines.

[@awesomehpt8938]

Perhaps they’re Krieg guardsmen dressed up as tempestus scions

[@mercenarygundam1487]

Nurgle: NOOO!!! YOU CAN'T JUST GIVE HUMANITY IMMUNITY TO MY DISEASES! Isha: HAHA WHITE BLOOD CELLS GO BRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!

[@Gormathius]

Deltic Lions sounds like the name of a football club.

[@40KTheories]

Deltic Lions vs Cadia FC

[@klosharr]

so, if Tempestus Scions are under the Adeptus Administratum - does that make them IRS agents of 40k ?

[@mobiusZero2]

There is a strong hint it would be Isha who added them. Perhaps Isha gives some of her knowledge to the goddess of Tau in case it is caught. But a theory no less

[@xXSKAVENXx]

I paid my dues and I have joined. May the God emperor give you eternal life so that you may continue to show this channel. May my blood and money sacrifice hasten you to your destiny.✴️

[@rexlumontad5644]

0:33 At least they don't miss their shots and end up as chewtoys of the protagonists casually beating them.

[@AnonymousAnonposter]

Ave Dominus Nox

[@jamesvalentine2845]

BUT!!!...Could they survive the toxic wastelands of Reddit and Twitter???

[@markhartshorn3476]

"Angry nurgle noises"

[@americanman3745]

I place money Russ will find Isha when he is returned to the setting. He'll go from Executioner to Healer

[@ltcinsane]

I mean Guilliman with the emperor possessing him & setting fire to Nurgles garden could easily of caused chink in the garden's defences that Russ could of snuck in through.

[@singletona082]

I in general and on principle loathe Russ given dude's a hypocritical bastard (#magnusdidnothingwrong) but that would be an amusing way for him to one-up his brother. 'Oh you sacked the herald of the knife ears's new goddess? Baby Brother. I bagged their lady of healing from the plaguelord himself! come. The tale is worth telling in full! And none of that prissy wine of yours. We are doing this proper!'

[@PelinalDidNothingWrong]

GW seems to forget Isha exists most of the time

[@Subject_Keter]

I heard if you headbutt the warp enough, it recoils from it.

[@Audiotrocious]

-giggles in Tzeentch undermining Nurgle

[@TK199999]

It also could be the genetic modifications make them resistant to normal diseases is so resource intensive and the knowledge so rare that only the Lions get it, like so much of 40k wonder tech. Especially if like Astartes gene modification only a small number of cadets survive the process. This could also mean only a small number of humans are capable of surviving the gene enhancement. But as for resisting Nurgles 'Gifts', that comes from Faith in the God Emperor alone.

[@grantkruger3689]

Could it be Tzeentch? Changing the immunity of the Lions too fast for Nurgle to infect, messing with the Imperium and Nurgle at the same time 😋

[@ShadowPhoenixMaximus]

The only reason the Eldar would help humanity is to use them as shield. Immunity to disease helps, but you're still going to die if you get shot or stabbed. So I think if Isha had given her blessing to the Deltic Lions, then its likely to use them as an expendable tool to deal with the worst Nurgle has to throw at the galaxy. The other possibility is that they're eldar-human hybrids and thus worthy of her attention? :P

[@danielabreuer9617]

Eldar-human hybrids are biological impossible - at least in the natural way - as Aeldari are biologically and physioligically completely different. I even tend to believe that they aren't carbon-based life at all, so with a completely different biochemistry. And would take a lot of bioenegiering and maybe even psyonic help to create a hybrid.

[@Drew_Thompson]

The Deltic Lions are from Barbarus.

[@ANDREALEONE95]

Tempestuc are not recuited from a single planet.

[@ninjabreadman8166]

They are the abandonded kids of the old Dust Raiders legion 😂

[@SJ-ut5ll]

Here.on baldermorts recomendation

[@singletona082]

If Isha is the one that is giving the lions their immunity I would wager she either fears drawing slaanesh's eye, knows aiding the eldar would draw her attention and she's uncertain on what the outcome would be since even if Nergal drove Slaanesh back he might imprison her more securely and keep her from giving anyone any sort of aid, or she recognizes that while Humanity has no love for her or her people they are the main focus of Chaos's eye so giving them aid benefits everyone in this instance. As for only the lions? That might be all she can do. She Is the prisoner of a sweaty neckbeard that thinks feeding her toxic coking the likes Gordon Ramsey hasn't ever seen is romantic.

[@JayB9127]

comment for the comment god!

[@arturohernandez5857]

Dark angels 👼🏿 are asking for your location 😮

[@Warboss_Thrakka_Snazzfingas]

Isha must be saved!

[@rarestpepe3815]

Hmm. Both this channel & Pancreas No Work did an Isha video on the same day. Coincidence or Conspiracy?

[@40KTheories]

Well, strictly speaking, this video is about the Tempestus Scions.

[@abrakadabra4966]

Its obviously chaos taint

[@AncientRylanor69]

ei

[@gurgangurganstumph7172]

omg why do you speak like you do? why do you pronounce words so weird? it makes your video unwatchable

[@Gab1Bv]

I've been wanting to find out what Kasrkin have to do with Ceprus Prime ( I might have the wrong name for this planet ) Its what they say in Soulstorm