The IMPORTANCE Of Wind Testing Tents - With The Scarp 1 Ultra

In this video I wind test the Scarp 1 Ultra and discuss how utterly important I believe this to be..

[@ExploreAboveAndBelow]

Tom in my opinion you are the best at testing tents. I feel it's important that people know how tents behave in challenging conditions. You are meticulous about correctly pitching and actually reading the wind speeds and that gives a very truthful test. Keep up the great job your doing. I for one have bought a tent in part based on your testing and other factors like weight, size, intended use etc.

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Hey thank you for the comment.. What tent did you get? Yes I enjoy it too and it's a real adventure when the wind is hammering the tent but you feel confident in it's ability... I am sure I'll push it too hard someday and get damage but then others can learn from this limit.. best wishes Tom

[@nasos_zovoilis]

Tom, you are one of the few KZbinrs I watch for reviews and trust. You are always objective and present the positives and negatives without hesitation, even if it might upset some people. Of course, the downside for me is that watching your reviews decreases the money in my bank account, but we have one passion: to be out there in the mountains and enjoy connecting with nature. Thank you, keep up the amazing work!!!

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Hey thank you for taking the time to write this very appreciated comment... I totally get the gear thing as I am always looking.... There is always something that catches my eye and I think that I need it... I hope to get a camp tomorrow night so really looking forward to spending time in my favourite tent using my gear in the conditions that it was designed for... Hey happy camping and thank you once again for this very encouraging comment.... best wishes Tom

[@MCMOutdoors]

Excellent video Tom. It is very important for 'influencers' to have integrity and be honest with their audience if they are reviewing a tent as ultimately, they have a lot of sway over what people decide. I saw two people rave about the new Nortent Vern 1 as soon as they pulled it out of the box - no testing, no use - nothing - just immediate comparisons to the Hilleberg Soulo. One of the two titled the video "The BEST backpacking tent of 2024 has just LANDED" along with clear text in the thumbnail and I quote "THE SOULO IS IN TROUBLE". This was totally misleading - the individual in question has almost 25,000 subscribers who value his opinion and trust what he says. The video went on to claim that the new Vern 1 was a Soulo beater. I sat back but thought it was highly irresponsible; as I watched the reaction to the tent grow as the 'hype' snowballed. Cue this weekend - in what you describe very accurately as very common weather the UK - a Vern 1 and Vern 2 were both damaged. The Vern 1 in winds around 50mph and the Vern 2 in around 30+ mph. Not in any way extreme conditions. In pushing and floating the Vern 1 as a competitor to the Soulo (someone else with huge influence even stated that the Vern 1 'fixed all the issues' (they had) with the Soulo - this cemented in viewers minds that narrative - namely the Vern 1 was equal to the Soulo in terms of strength and quality. Anyone with genuine credibility and experience knows this is absolutely NOT the case and it never was. Now as proven in those videos. One individual accepted some feedback in good grace which to me, shows a humble attitude and willingness to accept where maybe mistakes had been made. The other person involved went on the attack, blaming 'user error', idiots etc trying to make a name for themselves in extreme conditions (40 / 50 mph wind ?) and criticised those people who dared go out and have their tents broken (the very tents he compared to a Hilleberg Soulo which is a tent designed specifically for extreme conditions). They mentioned when my BL Soulo suffered a slightly bent pole - however, this was in forecast 80mph winds (not the 30-50 which they were trying to use as justification for a tent they compared to the Soulo breaking) the tent was pitched fine throughout, structural integrity was maintained, it was not out of shape and all guys were in - I struck camp because another tent in the group was damaged beyond repair - and only realised the centre pole had a bend in the very apex segment and one at that - proper DAC 10.25mm poles. Hardly a failure........I won't dwell any further on that individual, suffice to say I called out what I believed to be their errors in misleading their viewers and I was told to 'give it a rest'. My comments were liked and being well received by others before the owner of the channel simply blocked me and removed my comments - which I stressed were not personal. In comparing the Vern 1 directly to a Soulo, which especially in BL variant is a tent genuinely designed for the most extreme conditions possible - (Hilleberg actually show the Nammatj being pitched fine in over 69mph winds)...... people have gone out, parted with around £500 and bought a tent based on this 'influencer' and they have been misled. The noise they are making is simply to act as a smokescreen for what they have done. I have a Vern 2 and a Vern 1 is coming - I will be making an honest review in good time. It is hugely important for people with influence / a big audience - to be honest regarding the gear they are reviewing. The Vern 1 and 2 look like fantastic tents - for the right conditions. The sensationalist, controversial titles were made for nothing other than clicks and controversy - now look what's happened. Thanks for making this video - I will be putting something out there myself in due course - integrity matters. ATB - Chris

[@rtg0616]

Well said Chris. You've summed up everything I've been thinking over the last few months. The Soulo is ripped apart because it's an expensive tent with a leaking zip. A £10 fix. No big deal. I've recently watched a video of one of the Vern tents and it was leaking everywhere!. Just give me a Soulo BL anyday of the week, I quite happily paid £800 for mine (or whatever it was). When you're bailing in the middle of the night because your tent has failed you, maybe it would've been better to spend a few more quid on the tent with a leaking zip, rather than risking your life getting off a mountain. What is it with people these days, they just want to hate anything great.

[@BrokenVikingOutdoors]

@rtg0616 Can you provide the link of the leaky tent, as before seam sealing, I want to see those areas of concern?

[@DemiGod..]

Have pointed out the difference to a youtuber that claimed such. His answer was that it is a competitor due to price, not performance, and then only to the red label, the black label is in another league. With regard to your bent pole, do you now double pole the side pole in similar conditions?

[@trickofthetrail]

Couldn't have said it better myself Chris. Look forward to seeing your reviews mate.

[@MCMOutdoors]

​​​@@sebastianforbes1yet, you're wrong - I didn't "break" a Soulo - if you're unable to read, I can't help that. I also quite clearly stated it was my own fault that the section of pole bent - but again, you appear unable to read and spoiling for an argument. I blocked you because you are unable to provide constructive feedback and all you did was try and cause disagreement and negativity - as evidenced by this comment - I welcome constructive feedback, the ability to provide it evades you - all the best though 👍

[@josiebones1]

I really appreciate the effort you and other You tubers in the U.K. put into testing tents in adverse conditions. I'm in the U.S. and no one I know of here is doing it. Where I live we occasionally get windy conditions and lots of snow and cold during certain parts of the year. I like to be able to make educated decisions about the gear I purchase to help keep myself as safe as possible. Thanks again!

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Yeah not many doing proper tests.. Many videos out there claiming the tent has withstood certain wind speeds but these are over estimated and then this lead others into a false sense of security. So I take the time and effort to do it and show proper evidence of what the conditions are.. best wishes and thank you for the comment... Tom

[@trickofthetrail]

Awesome video as always Tom. It's crucial that we have great KZbinr's like yourself out there putting these tents through their paces and not just "reviewing" them in a field or garden: A) For the safety of wild campers. & B) So people aren't mislead and waste their hard earn cash on tents that aren't up to the job. Keep up the stellar work mate. 👍

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Hey Mark, I know you like the proper testing too so keep up the good work yourself. Thank you for sharing your input here.. Yes too much reviewing in gardens and playing fields.. I dont mind this too much but you need then to show the tent in action during a field test to evidence what is being said.... best wishes Tom

[@MrCMHUDDY]

Well said mate, totally agree.

[@Simsydav]

You're the most thorough reviewer on KZbin and offer great advice and testing rather than clickbait videos. I'm now cycling around the world and your reviews helped me pick the most suitable tent for the trip - an Unna. Although I might have gone with a Scrap 1 Ultra if that was released at the time

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Hey this feedback is great to hear. The Unna is a great choice for what you are doing. This Scarp 1 Ultra wouldn't be just as durable as it's a much lighter tent. But so far this one is doing great after about 10 camps in varied conditions.. Seriously best wishes on your trip and I really appreciate this feedback.. Tom

[@RowanWildCamps]

Good evening Tom, thank you putting this together, more people need to watch/actively listen to what you have said. It is a shame some of these channels have reacted the way they have. I am more than happy to accept the responsibility as one of those who experienced a Vern 1 fail, but it is not without giving it a fair chance. Nortent have asked if I would go again but with double poles, sadly I told them I cannot justify the price, especially after already buying a replacement one, as frankly I have no need to take the Vern out again, I know what it can do and what I will use it for. To conclude, I cannot disagree with anything you say here, I feel the same way as you regarding tent testing and the clarity involved. Thanks again for a helpful bit of advice. Rowan.

[@ExploreAboveAndBelow]

Hi Rowan, I seen your video and you came to mind when I seen this one. You give an honest account of what was happening, at what stage things changed and none of the hype that others have done. You take care in pitching so give a tent it's best chance of surviving, please keep up the great job 👍🏼

[@MrCMHUDDY]

Well said, Rowan!!! I agree... I'll refer to Backpacking UK's post and respectfully, he was so wrong. Sadly, I won't be following his channel on the basis of what he thinks and wrote. As a KZbin consumer, that's my choice, nothing personal and I only speak for me. You, Tom and others are simply providing what I need... Information based on real testing. My quoted comment to his community post, I stand by it... 'I disagree, respectfully. Poor weather in open areas of the UK is part of life for Brits and if a paying customer has concerns that a Scandinavian four season tent (as the examples you mention) are not up to the job? Then they have every right to voice that, vote with their wallet, change their mind or just have an opinion... Whether it be subjective or not. That's why people watch, often experienced campers push gear to its limit. If that limit proves, or even just appears inadequate for the viewer, reader, or fellow owner... Then, their response to that information is the individual's prerogative, not yours. I earn what I spend, as I'm sure you do too. To each his own.' No response as such. I need to know what tent can and can't do... I am so grateful to learn from others who have found out. As far as I'm concerned, the Vern 1 is a 3 season tent. disappointing. 40mph winds aren't extreme, this wasn't suicidal camping that caused catastrophic failure. Just standard UK weather. I'm not double poling a tent that costs £500 +, how about Nortent providing better poles to begin with, and admit they rode on the hype train they encouraged.

[@RowanWildCamps]

@@ExploreAboveAndBelow Thank you for your kind words. I would of course always take care pitching (albeit it is exposed and windy) as it is my shelter/safety for the night, and I don't want it to break as it is not cheap, thankfully it was just a pole in my case. I will certainty try too. Rowan.

[@RowanWildCamps]

@@MrCMHUDDY Good evening, I think what you have written here is perfect. This stands for all gear use/bought, but namely things as expensive and important as tents. I may end up stealing some of what you wrote in the future, so other viewing understand why I would test gear important to me. You are the first to make me aware of Backpacking Uk making a post about me/my video, I might look for that later. I knew he/other weren't happy with the outcome, but I wasn't the only person to experience a failure, and I can't help the outcome of a tent that has not been tested properly, it would seem by people responses that me and a couple other are the first to do so. Thank you for the brilliant comments. Rowan.

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Hi Rowan thank you for sharing your thoughts here... Its really a pity regarding what has been written by one particular channel.. I will copy it below and then copy my reply for those interested.. Backpacking Uk said - "With the recent storms, there's been an influx of self-certified 'extreme tent testers' releasing videos on KZbin trying to make a name for themselves. In short, many lovely tests have been broken or destroyed. It's one thing getting caught up in a storm, but it's another thing going out there specifically to make an extreme storm video without care or concern for their backpacking gear or mountain rescue teams. In the last 12 months I've seen Hillebergs, Fjallravens, TarpTents, etc, etc all being pushed to breaking limit. It's also questionable as to WHY these tents failed. Personally, I believe poor pitching is often the reason for failure. It's such a shame, as this only happens in the UK and the rest of the world sit there laughing at us. The knock on effect is I see more and more people questioning the quality of tents. Not only this, but I see people upgrading their tents almost instantly, often with 10mm poles or double-poling, because they've been made to feel, if they don't, the tent will almost certainly fail in a breeze. My biggest worry is this influx of these videos will put people off wild camping. Knowing what it does for my physical and mental health, this would be such a shame to see other people missing out on these benefits. Even today, I woke up this morning to two messages from people saying they are sending their new 2024 Vern 1's back because they have concerns over the strength of the tent. This is ridiculous. If it carries on like this no one will go wild camping in the UK unless they're got a £1300 Hilleberg Staika! Also, to confirm, I absolutely 100% believe in the Soulo, Abisko, Scarp, Vern and many other 4 season tents but everything has its limits. Don't let a small minority of backpacking heros affect your enjoyment for tent camping!" I said _ "Hi Andy, I am very disappointed by your choice of words here and your attack on fellow KZbinrs.. After all we all know how difficult it is and each has their own way of getting views. There are no short cuts and while your content and approach is different to mine I respect most of the hard work that you put in.. You are making little of the effort that recent KZbinrs have made to film videos bringing us excitement and evidence of tent performance in pretty much normal conditions here in the UK. In fact IMO the Uk leads the world with our sense of adventure out there camping when the going gets tough... I have spoken to members of the Mountain Rescue teams here in Ireland and they have no issues with people going out in conditions they are accustomed to with the appropriate equipment.. Both of the recent two videos where Nortent tents failed were by experienced KZbin campers camping well within their limits and typical UK CONDITIONS NOT EVEN WINTER... If we do see a fail video this gives us all opportunity to learn, and many can learn from even one video so that should be good... I am not going to further go through every aspect of your comment and I do see you have a fair amount of support. I do also feel however that your hype on the Vern 1 regarding it as a competitor to the Hilleberg Soulo and particularly speculating about and not actually testing its strength has led to more than a few unhappy Nortent customers when they have now seen the tents fail in questionable windy conditions. I have got it wrong on a few occasions regarding tent performance in high winds so thats why I admit to this and now evidence test them myself. This takes time and appeals to a smaller audience. Just put a video up myself on the subject. Tom

[@GoodBlokeOutdoors]

Always liked the look of this tent. Great informative video, as always. Thanks

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Hey you are welcome.. You got a great channel going there and lots of hard work.. You have got it nailed so keep at it.. best wishes and I really appreciate feedback coming from yourself. Tom

[@GoodBlokeOutdoors]

@@TOMHEANEY100 thanks for that Tom, really appreciate it.

[@mrakl3]

Thank you, Tom. I take seriously a testing video of this type. I have made decisions about my tent purchases with various testing videos in mind. Yours are very specific and detailed and I appreciate that.

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Hey thank you for this great feedback and I am really glad that you find my testing valuable.. Best wishes Tom

[@mrakl3]

@@TOMHEANEY100 Righto.

[@dominolastley1754]

Hello Tom: I do really like your testing. I've been following your testing for a few years. I don't always fully agree with your conclusions/preferences, but I completely trust your intent and the quality of your testing. At this point I pretty much use Hilleberg tents for late fall, winter and early spring. Last week I was in southern Utah above 12,000 ft with a Hilleberg Allak using 10.25mm poles. It was fairly cold (22F/-5C) and blowing a steady 25+ mph (~40 kph) with gusts well over 45 mph (72 kph). Other than the noise of the wind, I felt completely safe and the tent was rock solid. Thanks for your thorough and well thought out work. It is very much appreciated.

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Hey if you dont fully agree then no worries and sure let me know anytime as I am always open to others opinions.... I value tent strength very highly as if you have an issue with this then its potentially more dangerous than a condensation or leaking issue.. Thank you for sharing your experience with the Allak.... best wishes Tom

[@philliptaylor2870]

Agreed. Ive purchased tents with the deciding factors coming from your research. Thank you Tom. You have my trust.

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Hi Phillip, thank you for your support... I feel its really important to evidence base what I say... More high wind tests coming soon I hope... Best wishes Tom

[@philliptaylor2870]

@@TOMHEANEY100 there's alot of design that goes into a tent. Tents are an artic balance between beauty and function. If it doesn't work, it doesn't matter how beautiful it is. But like Bill Moss said,"nature is beautiful, and the shelter you stay in should be beautiful as well." He wasn't just a 6ent designer he was a fabric artist and he revolutionized tent design. It good to see the knowledge that you bring to the absolute best tent reviews you give.

[@MarshTrekker]

Good day Tom, I agree with you on the need to wind test tents. I did my research by watching your channel and others when deciding what tents to buy my two daughters who love camping. My middle daughter is in a college program to become a guide and had to be a part of a group from Canada to organize a hiking trip to the Isle of Skye. My daughter commented after the first day on the island how my choice to buy her the Hilleberg Allak 2 was such a good choice because it was the only tent that withstood the winds. One of the other tents failed the first day and others had to retreat to a valley as they could not withstand the wind up on the cliffs. My daughter was able to enjoy the entire 10 day trip because people like you provided me the information I needed to make the best choice for my kids. Her experience in Scotland was amazing , particularly because she had a great tent for all weather conditions. Thank you for all you do, and you should indeed boast about the manufacturers that actually work hard at making great 4 season tents!

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Hi and thank you for your comments and sharing your daughters experience... Some viewers think that I am a Hilleberg Fan boy but I do absolutely give other brands a chance as you see here.. Apart from manufactures claiming what they want regarding tent strength there are so many misleading videos on KZbin making false claims by overestimating wind speed. This gives others a false sense of security and they then take their tent out in conditions and it fails.. A failed tent collapsing is much more serious that a leak or a condensation issue. I recommend Hilleberg so much because they actually test their tents and I also have tested 4 of their tents to 60mph and no problems at all. I need to be careful in that what I recommend is up to the job and evidence based... best wishes and thank you for the time to share... Tom

[@Steviestreet]

The Schnauzer was a great addition. More please Tom ❤

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Unfortunately she is not mine, but I love her so very much.. Never needed trained and responds to you in an instant... Loves the tent too and couldn't wait to get into it.. Best wishes Tom

[@mickymack1230]

An informative video as ever Tom and your dog is extra bonus undeterred in high wind content in his body warmer. I think your Tent tests are outstanding and I know many people appreciate the authenticity of your methods. I have trampled that bit of the Northern Irish coastline in my youth and know it very well.Really love this channel keep up the great work.

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Hi Micky, yes the dog loves the wind... Thank you for your support of the channel.. this bit of coast in very close to be but I just hate getting salt on my tent... best wishes Tom

[@WalkWithWallace]

Fair play Tom, some good points there. I think as long as the ‘influencer’ is clear from the outset that their video is either a first impressions, mid term or a long term review so the viewer understands. Alas we see reviews where the tent is used once, never to be seen again. The hype over the NorTents was hilarious tbh 😅

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Hey Wallace, thank you for your comments on this video...Some KZbinrs are too concerned with getting the views so the tents are reviewed before proper testing.. Its a difficult one if you only have a tent for a short time but reference should then be made to the fact that it hasn't been tested.. I own this Scarp and did about 10 camps in it before I reviewed it... best wishes Tom

[@WalkWithWallace]

@@TOMHEANEY100 how do you find the Ultra? I’ve got one on loan and had it out twice so far. Noisy in the wind but otherwise like it.

[@TOMHEANEY100]

@@WalkWithWallace Love it to be honest.. Must have it 8 months now and still tent love. Strength to space to weight is fab..

[@MCMOutdoors]

​@@TOMHEANEY100I found that it hardly moved in the wind - really specialist fabric, but was nothing like I've ever used before. Nice and solid, with the cross poles and Sailcloth Ultra - extreme strength and rigidity

[@NNICKKK]

Wonderful vid Tom. As you know ive neen a fan of your content for several years now, precisely for the humble real world approach to tent reviews- even when the models you test might not be in my remit! But few do this better than you. Keep on keeping on! 🙏

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Hey thank you so very much for your comment and support.. I really enjoy the tent reviews and always lots of tents to review.. Testing is great fun and needs to be done by somebody... best wishes Tom

[@garysgotatent]

I really value good honest testing.started camping after lockdown at the age of 64.i don't look for bad weather but as we know on this island weather can change really quickly.i feel more confident knowing my shelter has gone through worse than the conditions I,m normally out in,so cheers for your input Tom its certainly helped me.

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Hey Gary thank you for your input and sharing your thoughts... Yes the tent definitely needs to be strong enough should conditions be windier than expected.... Best wishes Tom

[@nickchurchman6815]

Thanks Tom - your testing is informative and helpful - and not “click bait” which cannot be said for all the videos out there. Thanks for keeping with that style - I use your info to help my research - I don’t buy based on what you and others say. I try all the kit i buy and often have to replace it when my experience points me another way - seems simple to me 😊

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Hey Nick thank you for the comment and sharing your thoughts.. It's never easy picking kit as many people have different wants and needs.. Something that is ok for someone can be a problem for others...I have changed my opinion on lots of kit after actually trying it out.... best wishes Tom

[@thegeordiewildcamper]

Great stuff Tom, this is why I sway away from doing reviews and rather just use the tent and form my opinions from that point. Anyway keep up the good work. TFS Steven

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Hey Steven yes reviews can be tricky and you need to be careful what you say.. I just dont have enough locations to camp in close to me so I need to do review videos to keep my content a bit different.. Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts..

[@thegeordiewildcamper]

@@TOMHEANEY100 ah the difference is you do them well my friend! Keep up the good work

[@MrCMHUDDY]

Thanks Tom, I could not agree more with pretty much everything you've said here.

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Hey that you for watching and taking the time to comment.. It means a lot.. Best wishes Tom

[@suewheeler5795]

Thank you for this. It was because of your reviews and comparisons, together with those of Going Solo, I settled on an Unna which is perfect for my needs. I can honestly say the tent in question was on my radar for a moment but I was struggling with the concept that it could compete for half the price. Plus I like Hillebergs ethics.

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Hi Sue, thank you for your continued support with many comments on my videos, I really appreciate it... It's great to see the testing videos on many tents as like I said I know many manufactures dont do it. If Nortent for example had wind tested their two new designs then this debate wouldn't have happened IMO.. best wishes Tom

[@suewheeler5795]

@@TOMHEANEY100 I don't plan on pushing my tent to the max but I do camp on Dartmoor and am exposed. I also camp alone as a general rule so I wanted a tent that I could have faith in to keep me safe. To be honest you were instrumental in my choice and for that I thank you. Now I only have to worry about the ponies trying to eat it! 🙈🤣 Sue

[@Olan...]

Spot on Tom. A certain You Tuber has now removed his video with his naive silly comments but i expect he will be putting another video out very soon singing the praises of some random bit of shite that he has been sent free in the post to promote. Companies obviously have to market new gear in a positive way to get a profitable return on investment but the problem is that its not regulated like you pointed out and its us viewers that pay dearly when said kit doesnt perform as advertised so its absolutely fantastic that experienced independant folk like yourself put kit through its paces in all weathers/conditions and share/post the outcome for everyone else to see and reep the benefits of. I only watch certain You Tubers for the comedy value and listen to them selling their souls like snake oil salesmen but i imagine that if you are new to the outdoors you wouldn't know the difference and you can see this reflected in the numbers of subscribers and lots of the better channels like yourself have much lower subscriber figures. Perhaps if you put on a bit of weight and got shit faced in your tent on a regular basis and talked a load of shit you might get tons more subscribers 😜

[@xjessukx]

Who was it ?

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Hi Olan, yes I watch some of these videos but only because I am fanatical about gear and always open to new ideas. It frustrates me to see the views and subscribers some of these channels get when I see just quantity and not quality of work.. I have been sent good gear from great brands but I always perform relevant tests before I release a video. On the Scarp 1 Ultra here I have owned it for 6 to 8 months and used it on 10 occasions before I did a review. With tents that I have been sent sometimes you dont have them very long but I have still done a relevant field test to understand myself how the tent will perform... Entertainment videos do better on KZbin than educational ones but I will stick with the latter thank you... A great well thought out comment that you.. best wishes and thank you once again for that super thanks.. Tom

[@MrWipex]

As always Tom, you make the best reviews. I think other channels can, and should really, follow your example. 🌟

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Hey thank you very much for watching this visor and supporting the channel for a long time... Yes I love testing tents myself as part of these reviews.... best wishes Tom

[@jtoutdoors9888]

Agree 100% with you on this. I've looked at your reviews for true wind testing for sometime. I also believe anyone doing any first look reviews should have a large warning that the tent has not been truly tested in adverse conditions.

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Hi absolutely we need to take the wind performance seriously IMO. Its a pity more people dont include wind tests in their reviews... best wishes Tom

[@DavidWilliams-tk3dy]

Hi Tom. I did comment a while back on this excellent video, but another thought occurred to me about wind testing, prompted by some of the somewhat acrimonious debate that developed a week or so ago on the robustness or otherwise of a particular tent. In part of that debate a comment was made that a tent had not been put up correctly with its strongest side into the wind, hence it failing. That may have been true (I've no idea, wasn't there!). However, and this is my point, most of us will have experienced the situation where we've chosen the tent orientation carefully for the wind only to have the wind direction shift significantly in the night. I had one very hairy night high up in the Lakes after the wind strengthened considerably and its direction shifted 90 degrees. It would be interesting (though very difficult I guess) to see tents tested not just when well oriented with the wind but badly oriented! For example, it might mean that a tent theoretically can be ok in, say, a 45mph wind but that would drop to, say, only 25mph if the wind shifted.

[@DavidWilliams-tk3dy]

By the way, I did not mean that the acrimonious debate was here or in relation to your videos.

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Hey David no worries.. I totally get your point regarding pitching a tents weakness into the wind for Extra data regarding testing. Hilleberg do it but they have a wind machine.. The problem for me is that my wind testing videos just don't get enough views never mind adding an additional element.. BUT in the real world it would be very valid as I have had a few bent poles when this has happened.. Best wishes Tom

[@AndyWardle]

Nice one Tom. Well put. It’s definitely important especially of late where it’s never stopped blowing. My latest video I had enough and in my BL soulo I sought shelter behind a stone wall. Even though I knew the tent would be fine I can’t take any more 😂😂😂 The YT debate will rumble on until someone realises where they’re getting it wrong. I’m not getting involved. Atb mate. Nice wee doggy btw. 👍

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Hi Andy, yeah I think I have had enough of the debate too and said my bit... We all need to be respectful of the choices others make as adults.. No matter what you say there will always be differences of opinion and thats ok.. On a positive note we all can learn from this... best wishes mate from the little dog.... Tom

[@rw3035]

Windesting is SUPER important 😀. Thanks for bringing out the good old anenometer Tom. I’ve started to develop a strange liking to camp in high winds 😉.

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Yes I actually really enjoy it too. A great sense of excitement being in a tent in high winds... best wishes Tom

[@craig3401]

I totally agree with you it's so important to have trust in your tent and knowing what it can handle.i think some people recommend a tent after pitching it once in nice weather just because they feel obligated because they were given the tent for me that's not the right thing to do.i know if I buy a tent that you have reviewed then I know it will be ok as you do a proper job testing them keep up the great work 👍

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Hey Nick thank you for your time to write this comment.. It's a strange one why many reviewer's won't test.. It's probably laziness to be honest and they still get the views as many don't appreciate how important it is as manufacturers up sell their products so much.. Many many influencers out there who will review anything they get for free.. I understand this a little as it's really hard to make reasonable money from the time and effort on KZbin alone.. Best wishes Tom

[@fredspompinato8123]

Hi Tom! Another great review, thanks for informing us, I have been very curious about the Ultra version. It looks great. Recently I purchased the SlingFin Crossbow, (Stone Glacier Skyscraper), hopefully you’ll be able to test one of these, be very curious of your highly informed observations in your new scoring system.

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Hi Fred, great to hear from you and your thoughts.. I have approached Slingfin but they refused to reply.. I'll try stone glacier... Best wishes Tom

[@fredspompinato8123]

@@TOMHEANEY100 Sling Fin seems to have shied alway from too much hype, I’m guessing to avoid the pitfalls of too much demand? So very fewKZbins out there. They were very quick to respond to my questions, and were very helpful, I was having a difficult time deciding which tent to get, carefully listening to what I wanted.

[@douglasweston7840]

Tom, once again your tent reviews have the actual information that I want: how will it stand up to inclement weather. I have had the Tarptent Stratospire Li for 4 years now, and it has stood up to high winds, driving rain, and quite cold weather (with the solid inner). I am just hesitant to take a trekking pole tent into an exposed area with frozen ground. The Scarp may actually work when I decide to venture into those kinds of areas. Thank you again.

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Hi Douglas, thank you for sharing your experience of the Tarptent Stratosphere Li.... I fancy another Tarptent after using the scarp 1 Ultra...The Ultra here has just such a great strength to space to weight ration. It really is a very well thought out and designed tent... best wishes Tom

[@lukefarley8984]

Really great and genuine videos keep up the great work! Id be really interested to hear your views on the Hilleberg Nallo 2, bit lighter than a Nammatj and maybe a bit more aerodynamic too? All the best.

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Hey Luke yes I can get a Nallo 2 for review very easily so it shouldn't be too long... Thank you for the comment and feedback.. Best wishes Tom

[@bernardscott1783]

And don’t go back into hibernation Tom and let’s see more of your honest videos mate and reviews 👍

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Hi Bernard thank you... No hibernation planned thats for sure. This one was a great fun test as I love getting the tent out in the wind.. best wishes Tom

[@cavehillrock...wildcamping]

Great stuff as usual Tom, needed said. Considering the new(ish) Terra Nova laser compact AS, would prefer you to do the dirty work first before I forked out, lol...atb Sinco

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Hey Sinco, I hope you are well and thank you for watching and taking the time to comment.. I am not sure what testing Terra Nova do but its definitely not made public so I would anticipate not much data evidence... Tom

[@rw3035]

And we don’t really rely on the industry on providing unbiased user testing. That’s where you come in. I bought 1 tent based on one of your videos and felt like I really knew it before first use. Thanks

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Hey great to hear this and I hope that the tent performed to your expectations... best wishes Tom

[@audungillerdalen]

Great video Tom ! As always - the testing is extremly important - it is not all rainbows or sunshine when you Are out on a trip - at least not here in Norway.

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Hey great to hear from you again Audun and thank you for your support.. Yes the weather can be unpredictable so your tent needs to be strong enough to handle adverse unexpected conditions... Best wishes Tom

[@peesua]

I'll never forget a video of a guy camping solo on Ben Nevis in harsh windy/snow conditions. He was using a Lanshan 2 and inevitably had to bail. I really don't know what some people are thinking. I did point out it is vital you only use equipment that is proven to be up to the job in those environments - as your life could literally depend on it.

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Yes you got to stack the odds in your favour if you are going to push the limits.. One of the ways to do this is to use tried and tested equipment and push the limits gradually... best wishes Tom

[@DemiGod..]

@@TOMHEANEY100 Which is why I stick with a certain well known swedish brand. What I find amusing though is that 30 years ago, nobody else knew who they were; now everyone and their granny has one of their tents, particularly the Soulo.

[@WildCampingWelshman]

I completely agree Tom. I’ve been caught out a few times with weather that wasn’t predicted in any forecast including MWIS. Thankfully my tent held its own and I chose that particular tent because I had seen it being used in extreme conditions in other films. Good to see you back out (sort of 😂). Looking forward to some more films. ATB Jiffy 👍🏻

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Hey Jiffy thank you for the comment and sorry to take so long to get back but I am getting inundated here.... I appreciate your input as I know you are very experienced and have had your Soulo out when you said. "Is that windy enough for you"..... best wishes Tom

[@vanmore5124]

Quite right. We can all be caught off guard by very high winds and knowing that you'll be safe is always the number one priority.

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Well said thank you and I have been out many nights where I have measured the wind much higher than forecast.. best wishes Tom

[@hanskirk-hiking9697]

Great video and I totally agre its very important to test tents in strong winds and that what your brand is all about - keep up the good work.

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Hey Hans, awesome to hear from you and thank you for the feedback.. I am a little behind on checking your content so will do shortly... best wishes Tom

[@iamchriswhelan]

Yes tom. Massive respect for what you do 👊 you keep doing what you do. Your the best reviewer on this platform ny a country mile. You actually use the tent in all sorts of conditions and give the review out in the field. Where nowadays most of these idiots just sit in there kitchen or on a local cricket pitch and just chat a load of shit about how good it is without actually using it. All the best Chris 👊

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Hi Chris thanks for this comment.. The recent issues regarding tent performance would never have happened if certain reviewers actually tested the tents.. But they then think that testing tents is promoting storm camping.... So just a different approach but if you state someone then you need to have the evidence to back it up.. So definitely not a fan of the channels that do back garden reviews or don't actually test.. Some show us around the tents well enough but are not really reviews . Best wishes and thank you for the great comment.. Tom

[@soothingsense9396]

Thank you for this video. I am wanting to buy my first tent (for campsite camping in the UK) but because I don't drive then weight and its reliability are both important factors. The space inside is also important because I'm wanting to camp as a low-cost way to get away with a book for some peace, quiet and rest, not necessarily as a base from which to do lots of exploring. So I really appreciate these videos and if you have an up-to-date tent suggestion for me then I'd be really grateful for your insight!

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Hi I am a massive fan of the Scarp 1 ultra here but its not maybe a first tent... Have a look though at the standard Scarp1 on the Tarp Tent Website.. They have 100 dollars off it at the moment.. It is quite technical but has an amazing space to weight to strength ratio... the 100 off should cover any import tax.. Let me know if you need any further help as I know its so difficult selecting a tent and everyone you ask probably tells you something different.. best wishes Tom

[@soothingsense9396]

Thank you, I really appreciate that. I'd been looking at some of the tents made by Wechsel, having ruled out my main lower-priced contender of the Berghaus Brecon based on weight, but the Scarp tents certainly look an interesting possibility. I've vowed to make a decision soon because all this procrastination is holding up the adventures! Thanks again for your answer, it's much appreciated.

[@Tanko3691]

Good video Tom, thank you.

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Very welcome thank you..

[@that_which_is_not]

Never apologise for the hound! Right beauty ❤

[@TOMHEANEY100]

She sure is... I will pass on the compliment.... Tom

[@ExploreAboveAndBelow]

You got a personal apology anyway Tom, you're reviews and experience are held in high regard by a lot of us.

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Yes I saw that which was decent and I respect that too.. We just have a difference of opinion which I also have no worries with... It could go on and on and at the moment I am happy though to let it go... hey best wishes and thank you for your comment and support..

[@ExploreAboveAndBelow]

@@TOMHEANEY100 I went for a Fjallraven Abisko Lite 2. It seemed to perform well for you in poor conditions, is relatively light and packs down fairly compact. I can easily fit it along with my full winter kit inside a 50 litre bag. I had a little leak coming into the vestibule so I've seam sealed it today and hopefully that'll be sorted, it probably wouldn't have been noticed except for the fact I use the full length footprint.

[@TOMHEANEY100]

@@ExploreAboveAndBelow Hey a great choice.. It's a super one person tent.. Very well made and fab attention to detail.. I just had a little fabric issue that could have been a one off. If I hadn't of had than I think I would probably still have the tent and be absolutely loving it.. best wishes Tom

[@ExploreAboveAndBelow]

​@@TOMHEANEY100I'd seen the issue you had but was still willing to take the chance and give it a go. I don't plan on using it in the sort of conditions you camp in so fingers crossed it'll stick the pace, I'm very happy with it so far. Having been using single man tents I fancied a bit more space over the winter and for someone like myself, being vertically challenged, I now have plenty of it 😉. The first time out in it the wind didn't do as forecasted but decided behave like a small tornado resulting in my tent pegged to the ground at the rear with the poles inserted deciding to go vertical while trying to wrap itself up, no amount of dry runs in my back garden prepared me for that 😁 as a result I packed it up before I did any damage and headed home. Obviously I needed some pitching tips on tunnel tents so hit KZbin where I seen a fairly well detailed pitching of a Hilleberg, by Rowan of Vern 1 fame, that helped a lot. The next time I went out it was fairly windy again but I got it pitched incredibly easily and it performed perfectly.

[@durstongear]

Nice video

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Hey thank you so much..You know I love the wind tests.. Best wishes and thank you for taking the time to watch the video and leave a comment.. Tom

[@garynesbitt5078]

Hi Tom. Very topical video given recent posts of the Vern 1 & 2 failures. The debate around these tents failing in moderate to strong winds has no doubt been fuelled by influencers overselling their capabilities based on assumptions about their performance. Specifically comparing them to hillebergs and in some instances suggesting they are comparable or better is setting them up to fail. Not the tents fault, they have just been misrepresented; I don’t however believe intentionally. I have also seen posts about why people shouldn’t take their tents out in strong wind as it’s irresponsible. I disagree it is a personal choice as some people enjoy challenging themselves and their gear; for some it’s part of the thrill of the adventure. A lot of people (myself included) rely upon tent reviews to help base our choices on whether a particular model will suit our needs. I would never buy a tent that is classed as extremely storm worthy until it has been tested extensively in real world conditions. Otherwise you are rolling the dice based on unfounded conjecture and opinion. What I will say in credit to your reviews is that any wind testing is always measured so reliably based on fact and can be trusted. Ps Elkie looked like she was having fun! Cheers. Gary

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Hi Gary, always great to hear your thoughts.. Its great to challenge great and thats a sense of adventure.. What's the point buying a Hilleberg and never challenging it.. But if some want to do that then the abosulely fine by me if they just want an awesome tent. I have had a few bails as you know but never felt my safety was at risk. These recent tent in high wind videos also are seen by thousands of people who then can learn form the experience and make informed decisions.. I really appreciate your support. The dog loves tents even more than I do. Probably likes sleeping bags as well... BEST WISHES Tom

[@Collected1]

What a stunning location for a video. As someone new to tents I find it both interesting and disappointing that some manufacturers can talk up the season rating of their tents and may not be fully testing them. This does make testing videos on here all the more important and I hope that continues to be the case with creator safety always taken into consideration.

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Hey thank you for sharing your thoughts.. Yes someone needs to show performance in wind as this is the main challenge to a tent.. evidence is what's important.. best wishes and thank you for your support... Tom

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Hey well said creator safety is important and I have my limits regarding the wind that I will go out in. I love testing tents and not destroying them.... best wishes Tom

[@outdoorsinspiration9284]

Well said, Tom… and Elkie 🐶

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Hey Shamus really great to hear from you and thank you for sharing.. I hope you are well.. Tom

[@luiscypher9657]

I reckon the durston x mid was pushed by yourubers especially USA based one and the miniature sleeping pad inflator, that apparently struggles to fully inflate sleeping pads

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Yes the XMid tents definitely suit the American market and the thru hike type of camping.. Regarding the pump I suppose it's the drawback of having it so light and compact.. A couple of extra breaths to fully inflate wouldn't be a deal breaker for me... Best wishes Tom

[@alanmacmillan6957]

agreed. I'd like to see a euroncap style test for tents. there's no use manufacturers advertising or showing staged photos of someone in snow gear on an 5000m mountain with a tent in the snow but no wind ; then take that same tent up a British isles mountain where the biggest danger is strong wind and it fails. I think test from 10-80 mph would be worth doing and for the independent tester to say - that tent failed at X mph. so you could at least use that as a reasonable safety limit. it has to be a standard , measurable and demonstrable test applied to all tents. One thing I would say is you've taken things like the hilleberg soulo out in 60mph+ I believe and was ok. some people have had poles bend on hilleberg soulo at lower speeds - is it always pitching technique that causes those problems; it always seems to be when wind hits the larger delta panel resulting in middle pole failure. if there is a key differentiator - like the use of delta pegs or pitching position that spells the difference between it working or failing - I'd love to know what exactly what that is and follow it if I'm not already.

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Yes mostly pitched errors and stakes not properly secured. It takes time and discipline to secure properly especially when the ground is challenging.. The poles also need additional guylines added if there could be a wind direction change.. I still occasionally get this wrong but that's my fault and not the tents.. Once the wind gets over 50 mph then you need to do everything possible to give the tent a fighting chance.. Best wishes and I really appreciate the comment.. Tom

[@billb5732]

Wind testing is important to me, too. Even though I usually can find some partial shelter, weather happens. I rely on my tent to be my _shelter_ which means that it has to be able to handle unexpected conditions. Honestly, I don't care whether other KZbinrs test tents -- most of them don't know enough about it to do a sufficient job at it. However, it IS important that YOU test tents, because you do it so amazingly well. It is fortunate that you live in a place where you can get strong winds just by hiking a few miles. Where I live, 30+ mph winds happen only a few times a year. I cannot possibly do my own testing as frequently or as well as you do.

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Hey Bill yes I am lucky to get 40 mph winds frequently in the summer and 50 mph in winter. An extra 20 in top of both is pretty common too.. 87mph recorded less than a mile from my house last year at sea level... I think too all of the UK is getting windier so definitely need to call out manufacturers over stating the performance of their tents.. Social media posts by users over claiming what they have been out in doesn't help either.... Thinking about investing in a wind meter that can record and store info so I don't have to stand outside the tent. Easier to get higher gust readings too.. best wishes Tom

[@billb5732]

@@TOMHEANEY100 Yes, a recording anemometer would be great for what you do. I know that Kestrel makes systems with a remote and a weather vane that automatically finds the wind's direction to give you the maximum wind speed. You can set it up, outside your tent, and take readings on your phone while inside the tent. It's expensive, but no more expensive than some of the tents you test.

[@TOMHEANEY100]

@@billb5732 yeah been looking at them and very tempted as no one else is doing that on KZbin.. Great bits of kit... I tried Kestrel a while back regarding sponsorship for one but the bugger's never replied.. Might be time to annoy them again 😁😁

[@janefreeston5394]

Hi, thanks for another great video. I was wondering if you have any thoughts on MSR Remote range of tents?

[@TOMHEANEY100]

It has a great description but I don't think there is enough pole structure for the size of the tent.. It's still hard to judge when I haven't tested one.. Tom

[@littlegrandadoutdoors]

A few of my tents were purchased after watching them being taken out in strong storms ( and watching and reading plenty of information on the tent )... I purchased the tent that has been causing all the hooha ( I fell for all the hype). It hasn't been delivered. It will arrive end of April beginning of may. So I probably could cancel it ( am thinking of it ) . Though it is still a good tent and can be strengthened... don't know what to do yet... Take care out there.

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Yes its a hard one... I feel the tent will suit many campers but it just depends on the type of camping that you intend to do. The tent also hasn't been proven or tried and tested so its a bit of a risk if you think you will do the type of camping that I do for example.. I dont want to get involved too much as I haven't tested the tent in question. I did however approach the brand regarding this and they didn't want to send me a tent... I know it's a hard decision as there will be many who would say go ahead and many who would say cancel... best wishes with your decision I hope this has helped . if you need further clarity then comment again... Tom

[@littlegrandadoutdoors]

@@TOMHEANEY100 I have sent an email to valley and peak asking for a refund ( finally made a decision)... i go out in all conditions. I don't drive so I can't just pack up and go home. I have to sit it out until public transport is available.. if a storm comes sweeping in unexpected I need my tent to cope.. I already have a cpl of tents I trust in those conditions... thanks for your input. Now I just hope valley and peak play ball. As I haven't taken delivery of the tent it's not technically a return... Take care out there.

[@Prince_Buster]

Hi Tom, based on both the Scarp 1 and Scarp 1 Ultra, for The Mournes and likewise - what’s your pick? I’m concerned about the strength / durability of Ultra however agree in your initial 1st video that it’s innovative to have a new fabric in the mix. Thanks as always for your amazing videos.

[@TOMHEANEY100]

It's a tough one as I have had no issues at all with durability and the Ultra.. I actually really like the fabric. But the Silnylon is still pretty good I am sure. The seam sealing needed and fabric stretch don't really bother me.. I would need to test side by side . The safe bet is the Silnylon and it's reduced on the Tarp Tent website at the moment... Best wishes Tom

[@Prince_Buster]

@@TOMHEANEY100 thanks Tom

[@DemiGod..]

One thing I wouldn't be happy with is how short and vertical the narrow end guylines are. I would think that they could easily be pulled out . With regard to hilleberg testing tents to 70mph, that will be a constant speed of 70mph. As you will know though; tents in reality , get hit by gusts which are typically 50% higher than the average speed hitting the tent instantly with double the force of the steady wind speed.

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Yeah I always double peg the ends here as the short guy line pulls the pegs up a bit so fair point. As you know I test in real world as much as I can with winds changing direction too and gusting on top of the steady wind... best wishes Tom

[@_NickB_]

There's a lot of channels with decent overviews of gear, but often times an unfamiliar viewer might see that as a review. Admittedly sometimes they're labelled as a review, and other times people are forthcoming with saying they've only had it out in the tent. Ultimately you'd hope most people shopping for high end and 4 season gear would love to see overviews but hold off on purchasing before our valiant youtubers do the field testing for us

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Hey Nick thank you for the comment.. Yes many many viewers are not sure what to look for in a review.. Not too many KZbinrs doing proper tests either.. It's a lot harder filming in harsh conditions and that's why many don't do it as it actually doesn't bring that many more views.. But I will definitely keep at it that's for sure.. best wishes Tom

[@BrokenVikingOutdoors]

Wind tunnel testing at all angles should be mandatory and then certified by an independent test body. Thankfully sleeping pads manufacturers are doing this now. I changed my Vern 1 over to 10.25mm DAC's prior to all the fallout. BTW, I purchased both Vern 1 and Vern 2 with my own money.😉 And double poling is the common sense thing to do if going out deliberately in high wind conditions. Paul Messner, recently commented that it seems to be the latest trend for some youtubers to go out in the harshest wind conditions possible, maybe to get more views, who knows. If you do it, do it safely and have a back up plan. Like yourself, who does it sensibly.

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Hey I totally agree regarding the mandatory tests that should be done... We are such a long way off this IMO.. Regarding going out in harsh conditions to get views.... well yes but for the person taking an increased risk many are benefiting and learning from this experience..There are however limits and I personally feel its more risky to go out in anything above 60mph.. Best wishes and all the very best with your tents... Tom

[@citizenwolf8720]

I wonder if perhaps it's because the weather in Ireland and the north-west UK is very different from continental Europe, that some of the tent manufactures are more concerned about other considerations (eg snow). Wind and rain are my main concerns when I'm thinking about camping. I don't care a jot about snow, because I'll never see more than a centimeter of it, maybe once a year, and it'll only last 12 hours anyway. On the other hand, in Ireland there could be a gale blowing with heavy rain at any time of the year, and sometimes local conditions are wild, even if the general forecast isn't that bad. The north east Atlantic is a very windy location, and in my opinion it's no surprise that the two failure videos of the brand in question happened in the islands in the NE Atlantic. I live on the east of Ireland and it's the least windy part of the island, and it's still windier than most of the rest of Europe. And as for the south, west and northwest coasts, you could have a windstorm at any time of the year. 60kph (40mph) winds aren't uncommon. And again to people who say "don't go camping in such conditions" - you may have no warning of the winds (even if you have access to the forecast). Btw Tom, your video is more likely to get a like from me if Elkie is included in the videos, lol. :)

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Hey great to hear from you and that you have still got a keen interest in camping.. Wind is definitely one of the greatest challenges for any tent and should be a serious consideration for most 4 season campers in the UK or Ireland...I have been out in measured 58mph in the Summer.... Even if you don't camp regularly in high winds it's easy to get caught out when it's significantly windier than expected.. The other issue is many people over estimating wind speed and making bold claims on social media about how their tent survived... Best wishes Tom

[@tullochgorum6323]

Yes - far too many manufacturers oversell the wind-worthiness of their shelters and need to be held to account. Most of our mountain and coastal camping here in the UK is exposed. With our iffy forecasts, even fair-weather wildcampers can get caught out in big winds and driving rain - and on multi-day projects it's going to be a regular issue. I live in the Lakes and often see people summit-camping in over-optimistic shelters. In particular most US-designed ultralight shelters aren't really up to our conditions, with a few exceptions like the TrailStar DuoMid and Scarp. British and Scandì brands are better, but I've still seen too many broken poles and collapsed shelters. So yes - it's surely vital that responsible reviewers test mountain shelters up to at least 50 mph. This is especially true in the sub-kilo ultralight world because there are very few viable options - to the point that I'm building my own because I can't find anything that suits.

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Hey thank you for sharing your experience and thoughts . Some great points here for sure...I feel so many campers will get caught out as both they and the manufacturers over estimate the ability of their tents. best wishes Tom

[@Olan...]

Thanks!

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Hey Olan, thank you so very much for the super thanks I really appreciate it... best wishes Tom

[@Olan...]

@@TOMHEANEY100 You're welcome Tom 😉

[@ashtoddphotography]

Spot on 👍

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Hey thank you Ash.. Best wishes Tom

[@Treefrogging]

Tom do you think it is possible to double pole the arch or necessary in 50 plus if I’m in that situation ?

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Hi Steve, Not really that easy as the pole sleeve is very narrow and the pouch that the pole inserts into also wont fit two poles... There possibly is a way if you are hell bent on doing it by threading one pole through sleeve and the other through the guy line attachment straps. I haven't done this so I dont know if it would work. I dont and wouldn't recommend this as its a mod too far away from the original design IMO. Due to the arch pole being in a tight sleeve and this fabric and the guy line effectiveness it is insanely strong at the side and with the crossing poles it strengthens it in the roof... I hope that helps.. best wishes Tom

[@Treefrogging]

@@TOMHEANEY100 excellent thanks very much for that. I was looking at the ties but winced at doing it. I was going to car polish the pole to see if that helps as o have seen that on some forum somewhere . Not home for a couple weeks so will have to wait . Thanks for the answer 👍

[@TimmyBobinson]

Hi Tom. Do you have any testing data on the Naturehike Opolus 2? Or do you have any opinions on the general performance of tunnel tents? Are there any locations/scenarios where you would advise NOT using this design of tent? Thank you.

[@TOMHEANEY100]

I am afraid not. Tunnel tents are great regarding strength to space to weight.. This tent would be good for moderate wind conditions up to around 35mph as an estimation... Any windier than that then I am not so sure.. Tunnel tents do make more noise and flap in the wind so bear this in mind. Its not just the tunnel design but more the fabric and pole quality that makes the big difference... best wishes Tom

[@TimmyBobinson]

@TOMHEANEY100 Thanks. I primarily got the Op2 for rain camping, not so much uplands, etc. But it's nice to know its scope of use. All the best.

[@tubulzr]

Your tent reviews/videos in actual pretty do(g)dgy weather (salty-snack pun intended) are great. They've been plenty helpful in making a decision on what tent might suit my needs, and wants. For a while I thought the Vern 1 might be well worth the money (not for me personally but perhaps family or friends) but in the end, all nice details, like night-reflective zippers and guy line straps, don't matter much if the basic tent/pole design is not up to par. (I wonder if all criticism was valid though, regarding leakage, was the swelling stitching thread ever soaked before f.i.?) At least the vids largely make clear what to expect, and what not. I do prefer your videos though, proving what tents are capable of (some people however, do seem to forget that you'll often use double poling or extra sturdy poles...).

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Hey you are a laugh and these are good ones ha ha.. IMO the Vern 1 and 2 have poles and a pole structure that doesn't function very well in high winds. If you are camping in winter in the UK above the treeline then this could definitely be a problem... The testing of tents by third party KZbinrs if done correctly should allow us all to make a more informed opinion.. best wishes Tom

[@tubulzr]

@@TOMHEANEY100 I saw a KZbinr 'solving' the issue by using a hiking pole at the back end of the tent, so you can first raise the back end guy line upwards to the hiking pole and then attach it to a stake. I guess it works because when the guy line is wrapped around the poles, they are much more supported by the first upwards angle of the guy line. Neat trick but shouldn't be necessary to begin with i'd reckon.

[@williammay6879]

Spot on Tom. Class act….. both KZbinr and tent 😉

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Hey William thank you for the comment and sharing your thoughts... best wishes Tom

[@trooperwolfie]

Research "solar geo engineering" and "stratospheric aerosol scattering"....that explains the weather. The best tent I've had regards wind resistance is the old Vango Chinook 200, it's a bit of an old cliché now...but it really is "bomb proof" when it comes to ridiculous winds when used with good pegs such as delta pegs on the guys. Good video Tom 👍🏻

[@TOMHEANEY100]

yes I am actually familiar with the Chinook and always loved its design but never actually had one... its a pity they dont make them any more.. Thank you for sharing your experience and thoughts.. best wishes Tom

[@ewik939]

Has the pooch been in the tent? I hike with mine and she’s about the same size. Any concerns about dog claws on that thin 20D floor?

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Just for a quick run around.. Unfortunately the pooch is not mine so I haven't taken her camping.... I think a dog of this size would be ok but you could possibly put some sort of protection on the inside. Thank you for watching and best wishes with your dog camping... great to hear... Tom

[@bimazivanovic4784]

Hi Tom,i would like to ask you about your opinion when comparing the strength or weather resistance of Samaya Assaut 8k and Unna. Which tent do you think would be stronger with winds coming from head or foot end? The Unna can be double poled while Samaya unfortunately can't,i really wonder why didn't the make that a feature? Maybe they just feel that confident in it,or expect you to not be out there when it's so bad,or to pitch in sheltered locations... Idk. It's a shame the vestibule also seems like a bit of a faf to attach,but it is what it is. I've also watched your 60mph video with Jannu. Do you think when picthed right side into the wind would the 8k be able to handle that?

[@TOMHEANEY100]

VERY tough questions.. The Samaya offers a slightly lower wind profile than the Unna and was surprisingly stable in 50 mph winds. But I haven't tested the Unna at this speed.. In the real world both will suffer even from a slight wind direction change at this speed. The Jannu however can handle wind direction changes when pitched vestibule into the wind due to the extra pole. So if in reality you are intending on camping in 60 mph winds then it's the Jannu as a safe bet.... Double polling the Unna and adding extra guylines still won't protect it from a 45 degree wind from the side never mind a 90 degree one.. I hope that helps... Best wishes Tom

[@bimazivanovic4784]

​@@TOMHEANEY100thanks for the reply🙏

[@MoosebearAdventures]

Very nice TEST video 🤗👍🌞

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Hey thank you I really appreciate the comment... Best wishes Tom

[@luiscypher9657]

Tom if you have 400 pound which tent would you recommend as a all season tent , if possible

[@TOMHEANEY100]

The standard Scarp 1 would be quite close on that price offering many features.. There are many other considerations apart from price...Some good options from Wild Country such as the Trisar or Panacea 2.. Best wishes Tom

[@-ZELTHELD-]

That is all nicely said that people should wind test their tents, assuming they have more knowledge than the 2 or 3 main tent suppliers from China say for SilNylon tents. In those videos I see often many set up errors, I really wonder what value then such fails truly have....

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Yeah I am not one for the fail videos and dont think I have any on my channel. My extreme testing videos are more pitched at education rather than entertainment.. But each has a place and I respect that.. best wishes and thank you for your time leaving me a good comment.. Tom

[@MarcusNilsson-gj8oz]

Salewa is the only brand i know of that actually states their result from testing munich Wind tunnel lab in germany

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Hi Marcus, yes I am familiar with Salewa so I must have a look at their tents again so see if anything catches my eye... I have had a few pairs of boots and trainers from them.. Thank you for the tip... best wishes Tom

[@user-jq9lr9vc4f]

Did you test Hilleber Unna in high winds ?

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Not really just about 30 mph.. It's ok but has a lot of surface area only supported by two poles..

[@user-jq9lr9vc4f]

@@TOMHEANEY100 Thanks a lot.

[@Bikepacking]

Do a heavy monsoon rain test but think you need to come to Vietnam for that

[@TOMHEANEY100]

You know I am chomping at the bit to reorganise this trip... My dream holiday... great to har from you Mark and I hope you are all well.. best wishes Tom

[@Bikepacking]

@@TOMHEANEY100 hurry up get here i buy you a beer and it hot hot hot

[@stephenlynn1233]

Well said in justifying your KZbin reviews of tents

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Hi Stephen, thank you for your comments and support.. Best wishes Tom

[@vvs3796]

In my opinion any decent tent manufacturer/company must wind test their tents.

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Hey thank you for sharing your thoughts.. Absolutely. Some do but too many don't.. Best wishes Tom

[@Ripper218]

Doggy ❤

[@TOMHEANEY100]

thank you I will pass this on... Tom

[@memphisreines]

Hey pooch. Hey Tom.

[@TOMHEANEY100]

The dog says hello back..

[@memphisreines]

@@TOMHEANEY100 good boy.

[@TOMHEANEY100]

@@memphisreines Its a girl FFS

[@memphisreines]

@@TOMHEANEY100 good girl..

[@LoremIpsum1970]

At least we now know the Kailas X4 Ⅲ can reach their limit in 70-90kph winds, though one team at camp 2 shared a remaining Kailas through 120-150kph on Wednesday night (I guess that's gusts). It seems some of the destroyed tents were indeed salvageable the following morning...wouldn't want to be there myself.

[@TOMHEANEY100]

Hey thank you for the comment. I haven't picked up on the news regarding the Kaillas tents in the wind so if you can point me in the direction of what you are saying then that would be great thank you.. best wishes Tom

[@LoremIpsum1970]

@@TOMHEANEY100 Hi Tom, Explorersweb "High Winds Partly Destroy Camps 1 and 2 on Everest" 1 May. From photos there's the usual mix: Kailas, TNF Summit Series, etc. The camp 2 info was from my cousin's kid on IG climbing with Adventure Peaks. Not much news coming out of there over the last few days, apart from the winds have dropped. Probably find out more in due course.

[@TOMHEANEY100]

@@LoremIpsum1970 hey thank you for sharing.. Best wishes Tom

[@LoremIpsum1970]

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