The Inclined Plane - Derivation using Lagrangian Mechanics!

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Today we are going to derive the equations of motion for the inclined plane with fixed inclination :) Using lagrangian mechanics is the tool right here and it's going to work absolute wonders! Hangabtriebskraft ahoi, enjoy! =D
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@AndrewDotsonvideos
@AndrewDotsonvideos 5 жыл бұрын
okay so basically you should do more of these furshur
@HPO294
@HPO294 5 жыл бұрын
@@PapaFlammy69 Yes pls, moar
@matthewcapstick6242
@matthewcapstick6242 5 жыл бұрын
Andrew... Can you help also congrats with the plaque... f(z)=z^3+mz^2+nz-52 Given that the roots of the cubic equation f(z)=0 are a, 1/a and a+13/a+46 find the roots of the equation f(z)=0
@noether9447
@noether9447 5 жыл бұрын
@@matthewcapstick6242 I think there is a typo in your question. Can you check it again?
@owen7185
@owen7185 10 ай бұрын
Agreed 💯💯💯💯
@duncanw9901
@duncanw9901 5 жыл бұрын
>makes operator theory videos >doesn't want to solve nonlinear DE's
@duncanw9901
@duncanw9901 5 жыл бұрын
@@PapaFlammy69 using Lie-Trotter or smm here might be as much of a nuke as using the Lagrangian. Glad to see the physics content tho, the simple example of the complex method always helps
@abdqs853
@abdqs853 5 жыл бұрын
And here ladies and gentleman we have a man cutting cardboard with a chainsaw
@neilgerace355
@neilgerace355 5 жыл бұрын
It is like asking the robot to bring the two stowaways to the bridge #h2g2
@victorrizkallah6014
@victorrizkallah6014 5 жыл бұрын
Solve this inclined plane problem again but in curved space time I dare you
@lalalalaphysics7469
@lalalalaphysics7469 5 жыл бұрын
Do it no balls
@artieschmidt3039
@artieschmidt3039 5 жыл бұрын
How dare you
@non-inertialobserver946
@non-inertialobserver946 5 жыл бұрын
That's like using an angle grinder to cut a piece of paper
@hoodedR
@hoodedR 5 жыл бұрын
Or a samurai sword to cut your sandwich
@Ricocossa1
@Ricocossa1 5 жыл бұрын
Pretty much yeah xD
@Bloodsaberxy
@Bloodsaberxy 5 жыл бұрын
If the paper wasn't there it wouldn't get cut in the first place
@generalizedkyle
@generalizedkyle 5 жыл бұрын
Exactly what Lagrangian mechanics is.
@non-inertialobserver946
@non-inertialobserver946 5 жыл бұрын
@@generalizedkyle Ok but try solving a double pendulum problem without lagrangian
@Chariotuber
@Chariotuber 5 жыл бұрын
Lagrangian mechanics is love, Lagrangian mechanics is life. Papa, even though the force is downwards, I believe the coordinate y should still be positive r*sin(phi). This would give a U=+mg*r*sin(phi) and you end up with r(t)= -t^2/2 which makes sense because the radius should be decreasing.
@tfg601
@tfg601 6 ай бұрын
ya and you don't have to confuse minus and plus in 5:51
@subhasish-m
@subhasish-m 5 жыл бұрын
6:19 Didn't expect to see one of Grant's pi creatures!
@hoodedR
@hoodedR 5 жыл бұрын
Xd same
@ROBLOXLMaDer
@ROBLOXLMaDer 5 жыл бұрын
Subhasish Mukherjee omg hi i also was watching this video
@quellodifisica295
@quellodifisica295 5 жыл бұрын
In order to get the minus sign on the y component you should have chosen the opposite direction for y. If you do that, the potential energy is -mgy (if y=0 is your zero potential energy) and you correctly get that r decreases, as it should.
@RC32Smiths01
@RC32Smiths01 5 жыл бұрын
Lagrangian Mechanics are really fun to do man! Always a pleasure to tune in
@RC32Smiths01
@RC32Smiths01 5 жыл бұрын
@@PapaFlammy69 Ahh definitely my man!
@MRMarvLPs
@MRMarvLPs 5 жыл бұрын
For the negative sign to appear in the y-coordinate you have to define your y-axis the other way!
@Downloader77
@Downloader77 5 жыл бұрын
I was looking through the comments to see who else noticed!
@hydropage2855
@hydropage2855 2 жыл бұрын
Wait wtf your username is Lagrange just noticed lmao
@tuomio5043
@tuomio5043 5 жыл бұрын
You just combined all my freshman year engineering classes.
@JaybeePenaflor
@JaybeePenaflor 5 жыл бұрын
Just goes to show how mathematics is the language of science and how physics is the purest of all the applied sciences.
@henryhung2795
@henryhung2795 5 жыл бұрын
*Angry biologists scream in the corner* DNA methylation rate is basically the only thing, ever
@49fa75
@49fa75 5 жыл бұрын
>mfw dotson and papa upload at the same time
@non-inertialobserver946
@non-inertialobserver946 5 жыл бұрын
@@PapaFlammy69 bruh momento numero dos
@neilgerace355
@neilgerace355 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, I too always thought they were the same person.
@non-inertialobserver946
@non-inertialobserver946 5 жыл бұрын
​@@HAL-oj4jb😳
@joaomongesoria2762
@joaomongesoria2762 3 жыл бұрын
thanks, really I appreaciate because in most books and classes only the newton approach of that problem is used. I learn something new
@MrBenten867
@MrBenten867 5 жыл бұрын
When u use the infinity stones to order a pizza
@owen7185
@owen7185 10 ай бұрын
Please don’t stop these lectures
@eva-jd2zg
@eva-jd2zg 5 жыл бұрын
That feeling when you're at work and can only comment and like and not watch the video until tonight. HAPPY SECOND DAY OF ADVENT! #fpadventcalendar
@eva-jd2zg
@eva-jd2zg 5 жыл бұрын
@@PapaFlammy69 Hiyaaaa \o/ Got to watch the video last night while working more (and eating ice cream WOOOO!) but didn't get to follow along too closely so hopefully I can get my hanabtriebskraft on today and pull out that notebook XD Looking forward to day 3! #pfadventcalendar
@wilhelmsarosen4735
@wilhelmsarosen4735 5 жыл бұрын
Papa and Dotson in harmony with each other!
@FGj-xj7rd
@FGj-xj7rd 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks man. Been waiting for quite a while for this thing. By the way, papa Newton is proud for using his dots.
@shanee4497
@shanee4497 5 жыл бұрын
Ah finally, some flammy mechanics
@MrRyanroberson1
@MrRyanroberson1 5 жыл бұрын
idea: calculate force on an inclined plane *relativistically*
@zoltankurti
@zoltankurti 5 жыл бұрын
Doesn't work: newtonian gravity leads to contradictions in special relativity, and in general relativity you would get a nonlinear differential equation (the geodetic equation with constraints), and as flammy said in this video, he doesn't like those.
@mikhailmikhailov8781
@mikhailmikhailov8781 5 жыл бұрын
Tfw you nuke a fly.
@bowiebrewster6266
@bowiebrewster6266 5 жыл бұрын
This is the first time ever i knew exactly what u were going to do in a vid
@technoguyx
@technoguyx 5 жыл бұрын
A German boi pronouncing *L A W H U U N J* perfectly, who could've thought. Cool video btw, I'm a math major secretly wishing to take Analytical Mechanics next year but also sort of scared.
@douglasstrother6584
@douglasstrother6584 5 жыл бұрын
Papa Flammy goes all "Least Action" on us! WHOOT!!
@douglasstrother6584
@douglasstrother6584 5 жыл бұрын
I can't wait for the Quantum Mechanical version!
@michaelzumpano7318
@michaelzumpano7318 5 жыл бұрын
I love Lagrangian mechanics. Beautifully done! You work so hard to bring us die vergnugung. I’m gonna buy some of your merch.
@Mayank-mf7xr
@Mayank-mf7xr 5 жыл бұрын
coolest physics channel on youtube imo.
@federicopagano6590
@federicopagano6590 4 жыл бұрын
According to the ssystem x =-r cos and y=r sin , if we define x=r cos y=-r sin clearly the particle velocity will point upwards, the particle will climb upwards (dr/Dt < 0 )
@NovaWarrior77
@NovaWarrior77 5 жыл бұрын
OMG I never knew you were kind of a physics boi!
@zacharyjasper6367
@zacharyjasper6367 5 жыл бұрын
Idk if one is specifically supposed to look for polar coordinates, but great video all around! Thank you!
@MasterStroke.
@MasterStroke. 5 жыл бұрын
Two pendulums of masses m1 and m2 and lengths l1 and l2 hang from the ends of a bar with no weight of length 2L, which is suspended in its center O. Both the pendulums and the bar can rotate freely around the suspension points: P1, P2 and O. Assuming that all the movements are carried out in the vertical plane, analyze the constraints and determine the degrees of freedom of the system.
@papalaplace
@papalaplace 5 жыл бұрын
Seems like Papa has made a deal with the devil to get brilliant at math, but now he can't use Newton's second law.
@egillandersson1780
@egillandersson1780 5 жыл бұрын
You are a really mad scientist ! 😉🤣😂 Thank you for that.
@neilgerace355
@neilgerace355 5 жыл бұрын
1:57 Close Lagrange Encounter of the Second Kind
@cameronspalding9792
@cameronspalding9792 4 жыл бұрын
I would have chosen coordinates u and v where v measured the distance from the plane (which stays a constant zero), whilst v measures the distance falls along the plane
@tszhanglau5747
@tszhanglau5747 5 жыл бұрын
"this mess right here" yeah Papa Laplace would be proud
@victorrizkallah6014
@victorrizkallah6014 5 жыл бұрын
How dare you make a physics video after making fun of Richard feynman. I'm still waiting for you to apologize to feynman. HAIL RICHARD FEYNMAN. Good video tho
@MasterStroke.
@MasterStroke. 5 жыл бұрын
Two masses m1 and m2 are suspended from a rope of length l1 that passes over a pulley. Two other masses m3 and m4 are simultaneously suspended by a rope of length l2 that passes over another pulley. These two pulleys hang from the ends of a rope of length L that passes over a third fixed pulley. Write down the constraints explicitly and determine the degrees of freedom of the system.
@sverrehestholm723
@sverrehestholm723 5 жыл бұрын
Love the physics content!
@hakongray
@hakongray 5 жыл бұрын
Fuck yes! More of this papa flammable
@youssefderrazi6246
@youssefderrazi6246 4 жыл бұрын
I'M STILL GETTING THESE RECOMMENDED
@polaris_babylon
@polaris_babylon 5 жыл бұрын
Physics yay
@MasterStroke.
@MasterStroke. 5 жыл бұрын
A body of mass m slides without friction on an inclined plane that forms an angle θ with the floor of an elevator. If the lift goes up with uniform acceleration α: a) Describe the inertial system. b) The natural coordinates and, c) Explicitly describe the holonomic constriction on the body.
@danielsuarezlopes4004
@danielsuarezlopes4004 5 жыл бұрын
Ótimo vídeo. 😎👨‍🏫
@pythagorasaurusrex9853
@pythagorasaurusrex9853 5 жыл бұрын
I just wonder, if you intentionally pronounciate "mass" as "mess" (ca. 2:00). Yes, physics and math can become a mess :) Love your brute-force derivation!
@MasterStroke.
@MasterStroke. 5 жыл бұрын
A particle of mass m slides under its own weight and without friction on the inner surface of an inverted vertical cone of semi-angle α. Use the Lagrange multiplier method to find the constriction force. Express your result in terms of the energy and the z component of the particle velocity.
@EmissaryOfSmeagol
@EmissaryOfSmeagol 5 жыл бұрын
I appreciate physics content. TBH Langrangian Mechanics was the easiest part of Classical Mech. for me, since it's just solving a DE. The rest of CM was pretty hard!
@brunoynobruno
@brunoynobruno 5 жыл бұрын
You have forgotten include de force due to friction as a generalized force in the motion ecuation.
@danielsuarezlopes4004
@danielsuarezlopes4004 5 жыл бұрын
Verry good! 👊
@tabrez3179
@tabrez3179 5 жыл бұрын
yes some mechanics!
@damienvoid7762
@damienvoid7762 5 жыл бұрын
I just watched papa flammy set the house on fire to cook a instant ramen.
@lordstevenson9619
@lordstevenson9619 4 жыл бұрын
Oh flammy it was almost perfect, 5:18. 😂
@JacoTheDeadRuler
@JacoTheDeadRuler 5 жыл бұрын
I learned a little bit of LaTeX last night for honors homework. {/bf :D} = *:D*
@avicennam7708
@avicennam7708 5 жыл бұрын
Great video
@ShaderKite
@ShaderKite 5 жыл бұрын
Nice finally some physics :D
@J.P.Nery.N.
@J.P.Nery.N. 5 жыл бұрын
Yay some physics again! Please do more papa, love u bruh (no homo)
@nuklearboysymbiote
@nuklearboysymbiote 5 жыл бұрын
i bought some more flammable merch :3
@nuklearboysymbiote
@nuklearboysymbiote 5 жыл бұрын
@@PapaFlammy69 cant wait for it to arrive eeee
@Lklibertad
@Lklibertad 5 жыл бұрын
bazooka to kill a fly
@hehebwoai3056
@hehebwoai3056 5 жыл бұрын
Can we have a series on some 🆎️stract stuff + flying 🆎️ creatures (mohamed's profile pic)
@jaikumar848
@jaikumar848 5 жыл бұрын
Could you please make video on orbital mechanics?
@charleswilson7458
@charleswilson7458 5 жыл бұрын
More physics videos please!
@ADCtEADCtE
@ADCtEADCtE 24 күн бұрын
AMAZING ! .. but .. what about FREE FALL with changing acceleration by Lagrange's mechanic ..( without constant g )
@zoltankurti
@zoltankurti 5 жыл бұрын
L=g_{kl}*x'^k*x'^l g_{kl} are functions of the coordinates, and g_{kl}=g_{lk}. x'^k is the derivative of the kth coordinate with respect to some arbitrary parameter, and there is automatic summation for k and l (lets say we are in a 4 dimensional space, so summation from 0 to 3). Calcukate this one, and you obtain the geodesic equation, which would describe a free falling point particle in general relativity. You could make a video out of this.
@thedoublehelix5661
@thedoublehelix5661 5 жыл бұрын
Calculus of Varations for an inclined plane? Noice
@matron9936
@matron9936 5 жыл бұрын
Wer kennt schon HANGABTRIEBSKRAFT nicht?
@robertsteinbeiss8478
@robertsteinbeiss8478 5 жыл бұрын
it is a mass not a mess, ..... but if a mathematician does physics that is what you get! 🤣 Let's solve the spherical chicken in a vacuum! Sry that was a cheap joke! Actually I love the simplisity of this basic concept that cover many questions in GR and is jet somehow connected to the Hamiltonian Formalism that works in the quantum world. There is more to it than the math!
@nick_ca
@nick_ca 5 жыл бұрын
Hey I have a final in this sort of thing on Monday can you maybe cover all of Lagrange's and Hamilton's equations next time?
@Paul-ob2hy
@Paul-ob2hy 5 жыл бұрын
please do more mechanics !!
@lezhilo772
@lezhilo772 5 жыл бұрын
Now work out the two-body problem where the incline itself has mass M and can move!
@violymhi
@violymhi 5 жыл бұрын
Seriously? My analytical mechanics midterm was litteraly 6 hours ago, why oh why didn't you post this yesterday?
@violymhi
@violymhi 5 жыл бұрын
@@PapaFlammy69 I forgive you😋
@nareshmehndiratta
@nareshmehndiratta 3 жыл бұрын
please remake Feynman lectures in physics
@owen7185
@owen7185 10 ай бұрын
This shit is amazing
@nnniv
@nnniv 5 жыл бұрын
one lagrangian boi
@rorincampbell7894
@rorincampbell7894 5 жыл бұрын
“If we remember correctly from 3rd grade physics > T=m/2r^2” ahhh of course.... 3rd grade physics
@strengthman600
@strengthman600 5 жыл бұрын
Papa can you do some spicier systems in lagrangian mechanics thanks ly
@Bloodsaberxy
@Bloodsaberxy 5 жыл бұрын
The kind of things you read to your kids before sleep
@allaincumming6313
@allaincumming6313 5 жыл бұрын
Now do it with a perfect circle rolling down xd.
@beevees1636
@beevees1636 5 жыл бұрын
Man, you're just shooting a mosquito with a cannon
@pjmmccann
@pjmmccann 5 жыл бұрын
So, in short, if you note that the effective acceleration a is g*sin(phi) (the component of gravity "down" the incline) then the solution to Newton's equation is (wait for it!) s(t) = s(0) + v(0)*t + a*t^2. WHODATHUNKIT?
@OmegaBlackjack
@OmegaBlackjack 5 жыл бұрын
0:26 Is it a JOJO REFERENCE BOIIII?!
@planetsharks4746
@planetsharks4746 5 жыл бұрын
I love you
@seetj12
@seetj12 5 жыл бұрын
Solve double pendulum with F=ma
@MaarioneteSR
@MaarioneteSR 5 жыл бұрын
that's gonna be a bill gates with a giant paddle and small ping pong ball from me.
@davialefe7646
@davialefe7646 5 жыл бұрын
Shit I was looking for that like a couple days ago and couldnt find much. Is this on demand service papa?
@davialefe7646
@davialefe7646 5 жыл бұрын
Btw you know that shirt implies sinx=x right?
@bamdadtorabi2924
@bamdadtorabi2924 5 жыл бұрын
Hey Jens! I wanna send you an Integral. where should I send it for you?
@truthmatters5536
@truthmatters5536 5 жыл бұрын
OK, smart boy, I modify the problem slightly to make it harder to solve. Suppose the slope is given by a triangle block that is sitting on the smooth surface and it moves freely. What will happen to the acceleration of the mass, m, placed on such a triangle block? Assume the triangle block mass is capital M. That is MIT level.
@matthewcapstick6242
@matthewcapstick6242 5 жыл бұрын
Can anyone help... f(z)=z^3+mz^2+nz-52 Given that the roots of the cubic equation f(z)=0 are a, 1/a and a+13/a+46 find the roots of the equation f(z)=0
@jasonforbus8605
@jasonforbus8605 5 жыл бұрын
he says Lagrange like how la croix looks like it’s pronounced
@Patryk947f
@Patryk947f 5 жыл бұрын
You should have told g = -pi^2 because otherwise the mass would be moving uphill.
@annakquinn7084
@annakquinn7084 3 жыл бұрын
On your integral you forgot the double dot r.
@Ottmar555
@Ottmar555 5 жыл бұрын
Pappa Flammy, I'm having trouble with a complex integral to find the solution of a PDE using Laplace transform. Would you like to help me and publish our findings together?
@einsteingonzalez4336
@einsteingonzalez4336 5 жыл бұрын
In 0:19 - 0:20, what is that phrase?
@gian2kk
@gian2kk 5 жыл бұрын
Ciao :D
@johnbear02
@johnbear02 5 жыл бұрын
Ah yes, enslaved school physics
@McRingil
@McRingil 5 жыл бұрын
Our mess
@Mot-dh5sx
@Mot-dh5sx 5 жыл бұрын
That’s cool and all, but did you know F = ma? hA
@Mot-dh5sx
@Mot-dh5sx 5 жыл бұрын
@@PapaFlammy69 :'3
@antronixful
@antronixful 5 жыл бұрын
frictionless→lagrange multiplierless
@brunoynobruno
@brunoynobruno 5 жыл бұрын
you can include as a generalized force in the motion ecuation.
@XarkXD
@XarkXD 5 жыл бұрын
I had to rotate my head 180 degrees to read the meme send help :(
@ivancheems35
@ivancheems35 5 жыл бұрын
Phi=theta? :0
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