The Inconvenient Truth About Electric Cars - Part 1

[@mitchellbarnow1709]

They never talk about how dirty it is to drill for oil, refine oil products and distribute petroleum products! It takes lots of electricity for the whole process. Thank you for talking about it!

[@jokr7818]

Like they never talk about how dirty it is to produce wind turbines, solar panels and battery for for the cars. And what to do with the battery's afters 15 years fo use. And they did not talk about the extra energie it takes to get "renewable energie" (cut down trees form another counrty) to the power plants. Ect, etc. kzbin.info/www/bejne/kJyUYql_YpyWsKc

[@fanfeck2844]

Mitchell Barnow , not to mention the wars to keep access to oil

[@komoriboy]

@@jokr7818 The comparison was just for the fuel, how about how dirty it is to produce oil rigs or power stations? Or how about where the materials come from to produce ICE cars and what to do with them at the end of their life? Do you really believe that continuing to burn fossil fuels is the best thing to do? Batteries and renewable energy production mat not be perfect but investing in them and improving them is obviously a better alternative.

[@williamarmstrong7199]

@@jokr7818 what?? Have you ever owned an ice car? Have you ever serviced it? Clearly you have absolutely no knowledge or experiance of what you speak. I have run Ice engined cars for 50+ years and the amount of maintenance required, parts that have to be replaced, oils and fluids that need constant replacing. I currently run a PHEV as a taxi. At 164,000 miles my engine is like new. My battery is fine. Like all EV cars when mybattery has finished its life in the vehicle (after approx 250,000 miles) it will then be sold to be used in a home battery storage unit and have an additional 20+ years use before being recycled with between 95 and 98% reusable. I also have an old ICE car I used as a taxi. It has 284,000 miles on the clock. The amount of oil it uses both as fuel and servicing is immense, the amount of parts it needs to keep it running is just horrible. Also the ICE car now uses so much more fuel than it did when new. When it finally dies (next big bill) it will be replaced by a 100% electric car.

[@williamarmstrong7199]

@@jokr7818 that might be because they are not dirty at all. Most factories that produce wind turbines do so with 100% renewable energy. So your basic point is totally invalid..

[@garryhopkins]

Re your Australia comment: I live in the capital Canberra, which lies in the Australian Capital Territory and I am very pleased that from October last year the ACT has obtained all its electricity from renewables. That’s 100% renewables. We now just have to bring the rest of the country with us and progress is being made.

[@computerbob06]

And, of course, stop digging that crap up and sending it to China!

[@computerbob06]

Nice to see Scotty and the word 'bonkers' in the same few seconds of video as well!

[@BehonestBestitchedup]

Get rid of the pillock with the coal!

[@moestrei]

Oh yeah, Canberra. A small place in a bubble and hardly representative for the rest of the country. Fact is that Australia is one of the biggest polluter per capita when at the same time it could a leading example for the world.

[@fyank1]

The other issue that doesn’t get mentioned is the £12 billion the UK government dishes out in fossil fuels subsidies each year!

[@JonathanPorterfield]

Good point ....£12 BILLION to prop up the fossil fuel industry just in the uk ! Madness !

[@computerbob06]

How much does the government give to renewable energy companies? I can't find that info, lots of info extolling the gains made but nothing of its costs! If you're such an expert, I guess you would know the figures?!

[@drunkenhobo8020]

Someone should write that on the side of a bus...

[@blowitpeanut]

@@computerbob06 According to The Guardian newspaper in an article on the 23-01-19 "The UK leads the European Union in giving subsidies to fossil fuels, according to a report from the European commission. It found €12bn (£10.5bn) a year in support for fossil fuels in the UK, significantly more than the €8.3bn spent on renewable energy."

[@danielthunder9876]

Despite our federal government in Australia, we are building huge amounts of renewable energy in Australia. We are sitting at around 28% renewable energy at the moment but it is increasing quickly as we have over 20GW of projects on the books. We also have the highest uptake of rooftop solar in the world with 1/4 homes having it.

[@paulgoffin8054]

The staggering thing for us poms is that, to us, Australia is famous for four things. 1. The wildlife that is constantly trying to kill you. 2. The sunshine. The incredible sunshine. 3. The surfing. Which must mean costal winds. 4. Your love of sport, coming largely from your outdoor lifestyles, see 2&3. You are absolutely awash with renewable energy. You should be leading the world. You should be 100% zero carbon and exporting tankers full of green hydrogen.

[@moestrei]

YEAH right. And the regulator is talking about a remote facility to switch off solar whenever they want to keep coal fired stations running at capacity to maximize profits. There is nothing, repeat NOTHING to be proud of when it comes to Australian politics and EVs and renewable energy or technology. Yes, we got the brains here, but fossil rules! Only way is to go off grid and I'm doing it for 20 years. Now days even powering an air con and 30-60km/day of transport. I can even top up my friend's Tesla. Australia is the only country in the industrialized world to not support EVs. On the contrary the weak AUD, taxes and special car duties (to protect what local car industry?) make EVs unaffordable here. To top it off they are thinking of a special EV tax...to compensate for loss of revenue from fossil fuels. Latest joke: Huge gov subsidy for a Toyota hydrogen research facility.....part of the plan to convert coal to hydrogen keeping the fossil fuel industry happy. A shame and just plain stupid.

[@ecok]

CO2 Tonnes/capita : AUS 2008 18.2, 2018 16.8 (-8%). UK 8.4 / 5.6 (-33%). AUS = 3x the UK and only exceeded by oil states and tiny countries en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions_per_capita

[@philterry3293]

I have to say, when it comes to clean energy thinking, Australia have got to be one of the worst. Despite dying reefs, massive fires, they still push coal. The media there are as bad, and when it comes to climate change, Australia have got to be one of the most disappointing countries in the world. especially since they have huge renewable opportunities open to them.

[@moestrei]

@@paulgoffin8054 1. Yep those killer kangaroos. 2. We use sunshine to support skin cancer research. 3. Well the coast is densely populated or touristic or protected nature. So wind is not so easy. 4. Australians have passed US citizens in body weight. We watch sport on the telly. Yes we have world class research here. Look up Dr. Martin Green (not a joke). The result of our tax payer funded research does get commercialised......in China(Again, not a joke). Our main research body is the CSIRO (Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation). Years ago they rang alarm bells about climate change. Result massive budget cuts to that organisation.

[@PaulMansfield]

I read on Quora from a reputable source that a fair sized refinery takes 200MW feed. You can charge 4000 EVs simultaneously at 50kW with that. In the UK the average daily journey is under 20 miles, or 5kWh, that's 960,000 vehicles a day.

[@robsmith1a]

Even if the grid were filthy the improvement in local air pollution alone is worth the switch to electric propulsion. The things that also need to switch are Vans trucks and buses to really clean things up. Hope you are all making the most of the lockdown.

[@paulspiers5466]

Kate, that was a first class video production, well done. You should do a part 2 to this video comparing cost of ownership over a 5 year period. A lot of people are more motivated by the economics than the environmental impact.

[@Jamesandkate]

There will indeed be a part 2, when I can juggle my life, daughter and husband a little better 😂 Were glad you enjoyed it 👍🏻

[@pluginIndia]

Thank you for making such a great fact oriented video. Everything about Pollution Cars and scooters are awful. They cause air pollution, they are noisy and they use fuel that is transported from countries that hate us. We have been using Electric Cars and scooters for the past 8+ years and we will never ever go back to dirty oil ! We have subscribed to your channel and are happy to see another EV advocacy channel in the world. We have been doing it since 2014. But we need more and more like yours. Keep up the good work!

[@Jamesandkate]

Hi guys. Thanks for following us 🙏🏻

[@MarkGarnettUK]

Good stuff. But it’s even better than that because many EV owners opt for a green only electricity tariff, so closer to zero emissions.

[@MarkGarnettUK]

​@Chris Van Bekkum There is a lot of wind farm electricity most nights, so much so that, even as a domestic customer, you can get very low cost electricity (and even occasionally negative priced), as there is so much available and no one to use it - look at any the UK grid stat websites and see the "bath tub" drop of usage overnight. Plugging in EVs, especially if smart/timed actually helps the grid. Keep in mind even if the electricity was 100% generated from coal, its still lower emissions than using combustion engine. Our grid is getting cleaner each year, this is a very good news story, please keep an open mind

[@MarkGarnettUK]

@Wooly Chewbakker Sure in real life the electrons are all mixed up, but we actually pay LESS for green energy so we are better off AND it encourages more suppliers to add green generation (not that they need much encouragement, its cheaper form them then any other source so this is happening for economic reasons irrespective of your thoughts on it being farcical. Im happy to be contributing to less pollution.

[@StevePowell]

Excellent video, thanks for taking the time to put this together 🙏👍👍👍

[@Jamesandkate]

You're welcome 👍🏻

[@RotimiOrimoloye]

In California, many EV owners install solar panels from Tesla, SunRun and SunPower. Their homes give back more sun energy to the grid than they take from the grid. So their electric cars are NET zero emission vehicles.

[@StipeSurlin]

Nice comparison, Greetings from sunny Croatia!

[@stephenclay6852]

Good video. You should send this video to Harry’s garage. Take a look at his latest video.he sings the praise of petrol in faves of electric but fails to mention extraction shipping and refining of the fuel not to mention the distribution by lots of fuel tankers. I did point this out to him but as yet he’s not come back to me. I wonder why.

[@GoGreenAutos]

Was thinking exactly the same. I too commented the same on his video. But other than that one, his videos are excellent.

[@Jamesandkate]

That video is the exact reason we made this. I was gobsmacked by the misinformation and more by the replies believing it 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@ianmax69]

@@GoGreenAutos Me too Guys!!! Never mentioned the cost of electricity in turning the black stuff into the lean stuff or moving it around..

[@ianmax69]

@@Jamesandkate Am very suprised Harry Metcalfe's usually quite an informed bloke love his work he's done on his farm espically his work to get the solar field up and running and I do hope it happens and I love his classic car vids..

[@brianstevenson9967]

Have only listened, sorry watched part of one video from this character ( Harry's Garage), unfortunately the guy keeps shouting all the time so gave up after about 10minutes, my ears were hurting.......

[@davidbarr5783]

Glad you brought in the real costs of running a fossil car. Great video. Like to point out that the Scottish Government has been pushing renewable energy for over a decade.

[@Jamesandkate]

We live Scotland for this 👌🏻

[@1964mcqueen]

I live in Ontario, Canada, where we eliminated coal fired generation in 2014. We went from 25% coal and 11% gas in 2003, to 0% coal and less than 3% gas today. My E.V. is running almost as clean as can be. Another important issue to consider, is the emissions/particulates that ICE vehicles continue to pump out in addition to C02. These emissions are concentrated in the most densely populated areas where people are forced to breath in poison. Even if coal is your only source of electricity (nearly unheard of today), it is still better to run electric, knowing that the carcinogens are not being pumped directly into populated areas.

[@Jamesandkate]

That's excellent. Completely with you on street level pollution levels, it's EVs all the way for us too 👍🏻

[@mjp0815]

Few people really care about these CO2 facts, but wait until you test drive one of those electron suckers... The elegant power delivery, the slingshot... People, get out your calculators and prove to yourself how much you safe in fuel alone. It is somewhere between £1000 and £2000 a year. You can invest the difference into very premium screen wash;)

[@MichaelWascher]

Cleaning up a large power plant is much cheaper and more effective than trying to clean up a small plant like a car engine. Anti pollution measures on a vehicle are especially difficult as adding weight requires running the engineer harder in order to have that additional weight around. This negates some of the cleanup effort. Some power plants process and sell the pollution removed from their effluent, ie the sulfer is valuable.

[@aclemfc]

Excellent , should be on the National curriculum

[@Pete.Bernfeld]

After a shakey start, where I thought you'd gone totally tonto and I nearly changed the video, this turned out to be totally brilliant. I recently commented on a vid put out by Harry's garage where he tried to give a balanced view of EVs, but completely ignored the emmissions involved inproducing petrol/diesel. The charging infrastructure-in particularly dear old Ecotricity (I am a customer)-really need to up their game before there is mass adoption, but it's coming. I'm just waiting for the Nissan dealer to reopen so I can collect my Leaf Plus.

[@Jamesandkate]

We're guilty of click-bait here, Peter, but it's intentional to draw in the EV sceptic ICE loving folk. Glad you liked it and feel free to share 🙏🏻

[@Pete.Bernfeld]

@@Jamesandkate OK, I'll forgive you then -:)

[@pHD77]

@@Jamesandkate well, it's human nature to search for data which supports your world view. Everyone is guilty of it one way or another. All things have pros and cons. Just look at hydrogen as a fuel source. Plenty of people praise it, mainly for the ability of refueling quickly and with one top-up go further than a current top-spec EV on a full charge. But sadly it currently takes about 3 times the energy to produce hydrogen. And from what I've heard, a hydrogen pump has trouble with refueling several cars after one another. And one of the ways to produce hydrogen isn't exactly CO2-friendly. While the other method IS indeed mostly CO2-friendly, it's also requires quite a bit of energy to produce. In short, neither battery or hydrogen vehicles are perfect, but at least it's a step in the right direction.

[@Jamesandkate]

@@pHD77 absolutely. H is an interesting area and it has legs, just not in its current energy intensive state. We'll cover this area too 👍🏻

[@bobbye8071]

Very informative and educational video. This should in my opinion be shown in schools. Well done James and Kate.

[@Jamesandkate]

Feel free to share it with any that may be interested 👍🏻

[@bobbye8071]

@@Jamesandkate will do thank you

[@drdoolittle5724]

Can you tell us please the costs involved in extracting/sending gas to the power stations, the cost of millions of tonnes of North American forests being felled and transported to Drax using ships burning heavy oils, which is not allowed to be used on land, the millions of tonnes of concrete used to create all the French nuclear power stations exporting to the UK, the peat burning power stations in Eire exporting to the UK, the German brown coal power stations exporting through the Dutch inter-connector to the UK??????? It will be difficult but your vlog is just a little too green at the moment, but I liked it!

[@EVPuzzle]

Great video. Sadly co2 numbers are simply ignored by many. I used to myself. Maybe every ICE car needs a health warning sticker like cigarettes. Btw, did your miles per kWh numbers include charge losses? It takes around 10 % more energy to get electricity into our car batteries.

[@mikecarter2737]

Plus, it is cheaper and more efficient to deal with air pollution at a few point sources than on every car. And you no longer need "smog tests". Good episode - refreshing after the PotH depression.

[@BehonestBestitchedup]

I charge 100% from renewables with my EV. Octopus energy and my solar panels.

[@georgepelton5645]

Great video. Kate does such a good job calmly and clearly describing the facts.

[@Jamesandkate]

Thank you 🙏🏻

[@stevengwilliam8096]

Thank you for posting this one as this sort of information needs to be pushed out into the public domain. Another comment below touched on the whole life cost of an EV compare to ICE. i.e. manufacturing to disposal. So It would be great if you could produce a similar video on where similar cars like the Nissan Qashkai and the MG become CO2 equal through their lifecycle. I bet you the EV catches up sooner than you think. Keep up the great work both.

[@amma4002]

Fantastic. We need more informative videos like this.

[@moegeek]

Nicely presented! Now, let’s put up some panels and windmills!!

[@airlitex6488]

You had me worried at the start but I should've known better! Great episode - informative and well explained.

[@Jamesandkate]

Apologies. We did make it to suck people in, thanks for watching past the initial hurdle 👌🏻

[@leapy99]

Great video, very informative!!!

[@Jamesandkate]

You're welcome

[@antoniopalmero551]

Oh yeah, remember to return All of your non-recyclable plastic packaging back to the supermarkets “they love it” , We have been doing it for about 2 years now. If they don’t have a designated bin (which is normally hidden around a corner somewhere) just leave it in the foyer or hand it to a member of staff. As it’s nearly all food related waste it does need to be clean of course. You can also leave unnecessary plastic packaging on the checkout “they Really love this” . It makes you feel better and maybe if enough of us do this they will get the message. Have fun everyone 😎

[@TheLongonot62]

Even if all our electricity were generated from coal, running an EV would still be cleaner, due to the efficiency of generating, 'transport' and use of electricity. Don't forget the use of Cobalt in desuphrisation of fuel - something the skeptics always bring up in terms of battery manufacture. It's worth noting that EV's aren't new - they were popular in the early days of the car, some of the first cars being electric. The starter motor and lower cost of the Model T, saw them fall out of favour.

[@ruaraidhmcdonald-walker9524]

Great video guys!

[@TimKirkmt]

Excellent. Adding the refinery costs really shows what we are talking about. Grest video to send to any naysayers we all come across these days. Welldone Kate. Happy mothers day too!!

[@Jamesandkate]

Hi Tim and massive thanks for your comments. Just a heads up, it's American Mother's Day today, much to the relief of James 😂😂😂😂

[@TimKirkmt]

@@Jamesandkate ha ha, yes forgot about that. Malta celebrates it today, so got confused!!!

[@JonathanPorterfield]

Great video James and Kate , clear ,concise facts , and we didnt even factor in charging an ev at home from PV ! Try digging your own oil well in you back garden ! 😆 Keep it up up both ,you come across really well 👏👏👏👏 Now then , when are you moving up to Orkney ? where since 2013 over 100% of our electricity has been from wind ,tide,and solar renewables . 😉 for Kate x

[@davidmurphy563]

I thought at the beginning this was going to be a PragerU type festival of misinformation. What I got, I'm happy to say, was a very balanced and informative piece grounded on accurate information. Subscribed. I do think you should have mentioned the greater initial carbon outlay to build an EV. It does take around six months before its lower emmisions outstrip an equivalent ICE in total carbon cost. It doesn't change the picture over the lifetime of a car but it's worth factoring in.

[@Jamesandkate]

Thanks for watching past 2 mins and there will be more episodes to complement this one. Embodied production energy will one if these, it would simply have been too long otherwise 👍🏻

[@williamarmstrong7199]

@@Jamesandkate you still got at least one Jokr who failed to listen and understand a word you said. I wonder how much of your excellent video he watched? By the way you just got an excellent shout out for your channel from Nikki of Transport Evolved. But then I have been watching your channel for years.. ;) even saw your partner (but not to speak to unfortunatly) at the 1st Fully Charged show. Keep up the good work ;)

[@jimwhitman3678]

This should be taught in schools, excellent work.

[@jokr7818]

This should be taught in schools. kzbin.info/www/bejne/kJyUYql_YpyWsKc

[@philterry3293]

@@jokr7818 Already debunked.

[@williamarmstrong7199]

@@jokr7818 by name and nature. That video is so completely out of date.. by maybe 10 years for the sources of its "facts" it has completely ruined the (once great) reputation of the presenter.

[@wozza59]

Phil Terry Is there a source link for that please?

[@frymate1261]

wozza59 kzbin.info/www/bejne/mXXUi4mgds50rNU

[@justsomeguy934]

Can you explain the graphic at 06:22? Does the 6kWh per gallon of gasoline include the 4 kWh of steam energy, meaning it's only 2 kWh of electricity per gallon?

[@teeceemax3283]

Another superb video Kate 👍

[@SirHackaL0t.]

More importantly, the emissions happens at source instead of in town whilst you are idling the engine. Capturing at source is better than trying to capture each individual engine out there. I still think all exhaust systems should go via the cabin which means that the driver and passengers are the first to appreciate how much CO2 and NoXs are being produced.

[@Jamesandkate]

Agreed 👍🏻

[@ledpup]

More importantly?

[@SirHackaL0t.]

@@ledpup As in, you aren’t polluting in a built up area burning dead fossils and making the air quality worse for those walking past.

[@ledpup]

@@SirHackaL0t. I was questioning whether that should be considered more important than carbon emissions in general. I don't think it is anywhere near as important.

[@richardburnett3757]

I run an electric car, my power comes from hydro, I prefer driving it to my Mazda which also costs 3 times more to run. We are basically paying big oil to spew toxic crap into our environment. Trillions are spent to prop up the fossil fuel industry each year, our tax money. Everything we do has an environmental cost but it's about time we said no to the more toxic methods of energy production. How many millions more have to die from pollution each year just to keep a few mega rich companies turning a profit from our misery.

[@Jamesandkate]

Agreed. Luckily, Tesla are changing that very rapidly and other OEMs are following closely

[@watcher24601]

Thank you for posting this very informative and bringing good cheer to young and old. I have been thinking merry merry EV ever since. 🙂

[@eamonstack4139]

Such a clear presentation. Well done indeed. Eamon

[@pHD77]

Excellent video! 👍 I love the clickbait title - it will draw those who resent EVs in, expecting to find data to back up their opinions on those evil, pesky, dirty EVs

[@Jamesandkate]

That was my plan, glad you approve 👌🏻

[@keeloraz9452]

Phew, okay so that is good news. Thanks for this report.

[@jamesellis4899]

The environmental price of fossil fuels are truly devastating!

[@noisesoff3985]

Interesting information but sorry, Carol of the Bells playing constantly in the background was getting on my nerves.

[@leoclarke6462]

When is your next MGZE update - how hot does it get inside in this sunny weather with the glass roof ?

[@MarkGaudie]

Thanks Kate. Knocks me sick seeing all them cars chucking out fumes at the end of the video. The government should enforce real CO2 figures on cars in this day and age as well as real word mpg figures.

[@craigevans6156]

Excellent as always 😎

[@MrFaceonline]

Also, tire wear is the biggest polution factor when it comes to the most dangerous pm particless, so every car polutes no matter what is under the hood. EVs shred tires faster because of torque and weight , so the polution from tire wear is greater.

[@Jamesandkate]

Actually EVs don't wear their tyres faster. Because they produce a smooth powerflow due to lack of clutch and other associated powertrain components which ICE vehicles have. Also, the particulates from brake wear, which ICE vehicles create 20 times more is thrown around by all vehicle. I'll add that, this episode concentrated on CO2 only, but we'll include NOx SOx and particulates in the next one

[@dogphlap6749]

@@Jamesandkate Sadly I have to disagree. My Tesla Model S 70D gets half the mileage out of a set of tyres as my old Ford 3.9 litre wagon. The tyres on the Tesla are larger and heavier too. A lot of that wear is my inability to resist depressing my right foot on the accelerator pedal (I try to be good but you know how it is).

[@davidmccarthy6061]

USA also, Billion$ in gas subsidies that could go towards greening our energy supply. But personally I ignore where and how my energy is produced since I have no control over it. That is controlled by the energy lobby and which senators get the largest packets of cash. At least the cobalt used in my EV can be recovered later while the much more cobalt used in refining gasoline is lost.

[@Timstravels01]

Fascinating. I found this to be very insightful.

[@tomd5678]

There will be enough wind, wave and solar to cope with the damand. Some gas power stations could be kept in reserve to meet peaks in demand. The cells of the cars themselves will be charged off peak and feed into the grid during peak times to smooth demand. Future generations of cars will have greater range and drivers will have fewer inconvenient stops at petrol stations

[@charlesholder8009]

I only found this site last week. I'm hooked.

[@michaeltwomey9751]

The thumbnail and title had me concerned. I thought you were the new Michael Moore!

[@Jamesandkate]

Not us, were the right side of the fence with real facts 👍🏻

[@IanCoxdevonseaglass]

Energy cost of manufacturing batteries?

[@spikebmth]

Needs to be the whole manufacturing (energy) cost of vehicle compared

[@martino9134]

See Ewan McTurk's 'PlugLifeTV ' channel . He has an episode dedicated to this exact question . The answer may surprise

[@Jamesandkate]

Thats another episode, it's coming

[@joyo4435]

The batteries are 90% recyclable, so after it’s been made into a battery and used (after around 15-20 years) you just make it into a new one (not like petrol) also www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-8236323/Electric-vehicles-THREE-TIMES-greener-petrol-diesel-cars.html#i-2d6baf468cace85e to talk about the co2 over time

[@neilbrandon]

James and Kate. ♥️ video. Great answer to Harry's garage. I will post a link to your vid in the Kia e-niro UK interest group on FB.

[@Jamesandkate]

Thank you 🙏🏻

[@neilbrandon]

@@Jamesandkate There was also an article in the guardian about Covid19 being spread by particulates.

[@philm2417]

Excellent, clear and precise, very well presented, great use of data & fact. Thank you.

[@keithlatty]

Brilliant presentation!!

[@tiger8853]

Very nicely presented and produced.

[@Muppetkeeper]

Simply put, with just the energy used to refine a gallon of petrol, a Tesla will already be 20 miles down the road, if you add in all the other energy costs, it would probably be over 40.

[@Jamesandkate]

Yep, I'd say you're spot on 👌🏻

[@oliver90owner]

Don't forget, too, that those on the Octopus Agile electrickery tariff can be getting free power at times of high wind energy (or good solar output) when demand is low. Carbon-free generation with which to charge your EV🙂. Sometimes they are even paying the customer for units used! Also, those with Solar panels can take advantage of the energy these devices are producing. All these things can further reduce the energy cost of running an EV, so many EV users are doing better than the figures provided on this video

[@RJPick1]

While Octopus is certainly a green supplier using 100% renewable energy generation this does not mean it is Carbon-free, they have 6 anaerobic digestion sites which do produce CO2 emissions. octopus.energy/blog/anaerobic-digestion-how-we-get-energy-waste/

[@exl9997]

Really really great video again guys, congrats!

[@johnkeepin7527]

Interesting presentation. Good to see the total from crude oil to petrol/diesel fuel. It’s not clear what the average electricity generation graphs do about the nuclear power element. In the real world, those charging batteries overnight (say on ‘night rate’ tariff), a fair bit of energy will be from it, as most nuclear stations operate at ‘base load’; they don’t start and stop at the drop of a hat. Another minor comment: there are utility suppliers that cross-balance one’s purchase with their use of renewables over a period of time so as to claim that one’s supply is all renewable, so one could claim that the car charged at home is zero carbon if on that deal.

[@davidargles]

Thanks, Kate and James. This is not only informative and based on solid, sound statistics, but also very watchable. An excellent reply to the out of date misinformation coming from desperate oil dinosaurs!

[@Jamesandkate]

Glad you enjoyed it 👍🏻

[@rtfazeberdee3519]

Good video but perhaps needs a summary table at the end so anyone can screenshot it for reference

[@Jamesandkate]

I'll add it to the next one 👍🏻

[@rtfazeberdee3519]

@@Jamesandkate thanks. it helps to give someone an image rather than type your fingers to the bone to explain. Make sure you reference your channel too.

[@jeffreycooper8408]

Do ice engines get dirtier the older that are by any appreciable amount as well ?

[@Jamesandkate]

Initially, they actually get more efficient as first build friction is reduced but as components wear they do indeed lose efficiency.

[@buckegit]

One of your best episodes... 👍👍👍🤯

[@Jamesandkate]

Thank you 🙏🏻

[@itchywitchy]

Very interesting thank you! A few people have mentioned the Harry's garage video where he discusses the future of cars and your video presents I think a very balanced argument. I will be sharing this with my EV sceptic friends.

[@Jamesandkate]

That particular video was indeed the catalyst for ours. I like his channel, but that video was way off the mark and needed some balance 👍🏻

[@andysolarev1125]

Excellent video. 👍

[@vze2rdgy]

Much needed video. Greatly Appreciate it. Compare it with Michael Moore's documentary (Planet Of The Humans) which is mostly lies or outdated information.

[@clarksonbarry]

Another point is that this pandemic has generally been worse in dense populations where pollution is worse.

[@maidinbostoninc429]

I'm a Tesla owner and I charge mine at my house with a 14kw photovoltaic solar system 👍👊💪

[@Jamesandkate]

Great work. Our system is 4.5kWp so we have massive array envy now 😂😂😂

[@maidinbostoninc429]

@@Jamesandkate I worked in the solar industry and got the biggest system I could by law which was 14kw. Bought not leased. 💪💪. I got my parents a 6.5Kw system as that was all they needed.

[@garynarborough]

Really interesting to watch this. If I could afford a car it would be an EV. Looking ahead I'm seriously thinking of an E scooter for local commutes which are no more than 3 miles. Once they are legal (providing they can be used responsibly on the pavement or designated lane) I'm going to look at one. I'm in my mid 60s and have asthma so although not a car it will solve my problem. I enjoy your videos so a big thanks for all your effort you put into them. Stay safe from Greater London.

[@Jamesandkate]

We have an eScooter. If you flick through our vids there's some good info. We're glad you liked the vid too 👍🏻

[@garynarborough]

@@Jamesandkate That video helped me to decide. I have to find a model that is right for me. I have been subbed to your Channel for a while. I don't know where to look for guidance on which E scooter to go for though. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

[@richardmeyrick3418]

Very informative i am informed and educated thankyou Kate my next car will be electric. Maybe the rover

[@ya33a]

Remember, Crude oil is used for pharmaceuticals, plastics, 50% is gasoline or petrol, Diesel is about 35 to 40% if you take in aviation Jet Fuel, so only the remaining 10% can be used for everything else we need... now lets get rid of petrol, we have a huge issue with a waste product of the refinery process. Also Nuclear Electric isn't mentioned. Also, Solar P.V. panels on a house or business to recharge a vehicle is also an option - during the day and can be factored.... there are many ways to skin this cat....

[@jonwetherell5214]

Refineries currently alter product configuration in line with market demand. You can convert everything into propane if you want.. You can crack and reform hydrocarbons. So the issue is around investment for the kit to do it effectively

[@bobashby280]

Don't confuse us with too many facts and a wrong assumption. You are missing the point. This brilliant presentation will influence people's attitudes and opinions in a good way. it doesn't say too much yet it does say enough to be convincing. Please help and don't hinder. I'm sure your heart is in the right place.

[@jonwetherell5214]

@@bobashby280 Don’t confuse with facts?😂😂😂

[@TomsManShed]

was always rubbish at maths at school but is the calculation at 5.0mins correct?...you say the ipace emits 80% less .....but if the petrol version emits 334 and the ipace emits 66.6 then I make that 5 times less...ie 500% less not 80% ...sat here in my MG EV polo shirt on MS Calculator :)

[@Jamesandkate]

You are correct, and well spotted sir. Now, don't mention this to anyone else 🤫

[@TomsManShed]

@@Jamesandkate ok mum's the word :)

[@Good-and-Geeky]

For us EV drivers it is always getting cleaner as the electricity system upgrades to renewables. Fossil fuel is always going to be dirty.

[@ianmax69]

James and Kate You didn't post this coz of Harry's wee comments the other day did you? No body ever mentions how much electric is actually used to refine crude oil into petrol or for that matter how much fuel is used to either pump or transport crude or refined petrol/diesel to the refinery and the petrol station?

[@Jamesandkate]

I'm like his channel, but his comments about EVs were so way off the mark we just had to. So yes, we did. Feel free to share it with him as other already have 👌🏻

[@panoscharos983]

Regards from Athens Greece..

[@jdfi1980]

Carol of the Bells in the background..... love it. Very informative video.

[@didierpuzenat7280]

Great video. Sadly many people will just see the thumbnail and think that EVs are bad for the environment...

[@charlesholland-keen2222]

Nicely done and very revealing. I'm all for EV motoring and all electric powered homes. In fairness though it might be worth also comparing the production cost of refining materials in EV batteries to the cost of processing petrol/diesel. I apologise if this was included within all the other stats.

[@Jamesandkate]

Absolutely, that's another episode. We simply couldn't include it in to this one 👍🏻

[@michaelsummers9579]

James & Kate have turned into scientists! Kate, changing the subject-have you ever thought about producing bedtime stories for children, you have that sleepy soft tone which is so relaxing? Nice video guys, very interesting. James, that cuppa down at junction 15 is still available but before you do come down I have a confession-I cancelled my MG EV order & bought a petrol car! Just got so fed up with never ending delays on EV’s from all the manufacturers I was interested in. EV is still on shopping list for next time. Keep safe.

[@Jamesandkate]

Sad to hear, but it's actually what suits you at the time. Glad you enjoyed it

[@PaulMansfield]

There's also the costs to health services because of the pollution from fossil fuels, ie sickness and death.

[@marklola12]

Coal supplied 2% of UK electricity in 2019, down from 30% in 2014

[@KrisDouglas]

Spot on.

[@philterry3293]

I wish I could give more than 1 like to this video. Well done James and kate.

[@Jamesandkate]

Thank you 🙏🏻 feel free to share it for us

[@benpaynter]

Great video. Also worth noting that whilst the EV is far cleaner on CO2 it also isn't producing lots of nasty tailpipe emissions in the streets of our towns and cities for all the inhabitants to breath in. Local air pollution is responsible for thousands of premature deaths in the UK each year alone and much of this comes from transport.

[@bellshooter]

Nice one J&K ,

[@jackdeangelis6585]

Well done! Subscribed.

[@Jamesandkate]

Thank you 🙏🏻

[@renedelapaans647]

Thank you ! You are the “Greta” for EV owners , our Hero

[@RWBHere]

Thanks, Kate. You've added real life figures to the things I've been telling people for years. Gridwatch is a good resource for relevant data. Will you please add CO2 data in videos covering the manufacture, maintenance, repair, life expectancy and disposal/recycling, plus those for the finding, extraction and transport of oil? Thanks.

[@Rhanos88]

Excellent video Kate! Unfortunately here in India, the charging infrastructure is almost non existent and we have only 3 proper ev models to choose from. I hope the govt officials see this information and take a big step towards promoting evs. Fingers crossed!

[@rogerstarkey5390]

It will happen

[@philterry3293]

I have seen the change in India's air quality during the Coronavirus. Surely the government will do something. I saw a guy on the news taking pictures of a mountain from his house. He said he had never seen them before. It was only about 5 miles away. A mountain.

[@1701_FyldeFlyer]

Petrol, diesel and LPG doesnt come out of the ground in that state. It has to be refined from crude oil in refineries which create huge amounts of emissions. And that doesnt include all the prospecting to find crude, get it out of the ground and transport it to refineries.

[@paulyh4531]

Blimey Kate , is this lockdown schooling maths lesson 😂😉👍

[@Jamesandkate]

Sorry 😂😂😂

[@paulyh4531]

@@Jamesandkate 😂😉

[@MrFreddiew1]

To be completely fair, you need to add in the carbon footprint of the batteries that each example car uses. The C02 involved in the mining, transportation and manufacturing of batteries in these quantities is NOT to be ignored. I read recently that a 100D Tesla would take 10-15 years (depending on the electricity type, coal, wind, solar mix) to recover the C02 involved in the battery manufacture alone...Maybe "Plug Life" can comment?

[@Jamesandkate]

That will be in another episode 👌🏻

[@pauldenney7908]

One thing nobody ever seems to mention is that you can sign up to a zero carbon tariff and then your EV (almost) emits no emissions at all. There will always be embedded CO-2 in car manufacture, building renewable energy generation, transmission infrastructure and road maintenance but even this is falling as the grid de-carbonises. One thing is sure only renewables can give us a zero carbon future, fossil fuel never will.

[@sephiroth127]

You forgot to mention something very important: natural gas emits 50% less CO2 than coal (thanks to the hydrogen it contains), so just converting all the coal power plants to natural gas will already make a huge difference. P.S. Nice video :)

[@dogphlap6749]

I had not heard that before. Are you sure that is true ? Natural gas is CH4 so obviously contains a great deal of hydrogen but coal also incorporates hydrogen (perhaps a lot less, I really have no idea).