The Industrial Disaster That Makes Chernobyl Look Like Kindergarten | BEHIND THE BASTARDS

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The Industrial Disaster That Makes Chernobyl Look Like Kindergarten | BEHIND THE BASTARDS
In Episode 76, Robert is joined by Jamie Loftus to discuss the worst industrial disaster in history: Bhopal, India.
Original Air Date: July 30, 2019
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There’s a reason the History Channel has produced hundreds of documentaries about Hitler but only a few about Dwight D. Eisenhower. Bad guys (and gals) are eternally fascinating. Behind the Bastards dives in past the Cliffs Notes of the worst humans in history and exposes the bizarre realities of their lives. Listeners will learn about the young adult novels that helped Hitler form his monstrous ideology, the founder of Blackwater’s insane quest to build his own Air Force, the bizarre lives of the sons and daughters of dictators and Saddam Hussein’s side career as a trashy romance novelist.
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[@matthewmaceda5042]

"we can't fault the ocean for taking the rich" that in fact aged so dam well. TY

[@Zappygunshot]

Yeah when Jamie said that it occurred to me how weird it actually is that we spend weeks talking about a dumbass getting himself and a bunch of others killed just because he was rich, whereas there's several public shootings in the USA every single day, let alone the horrors happening in so many poorer countries (like genocidal civil wars that started decades ago because of white people and are still raging on today). If the Titanic was full of poor folks, we'd only have found out any of the real details when the first diving expeditions took place.

[@erikrungemadsen2081]

My Chemistry teacher gave a 4 hour lecture on Bhopal in our history class in high school. She was specialised in safety procedures in large scale chemical production. I remember it was a mindblowing lecture, just absolutely heartbreaking.

[@willowarkan2263]

Good to know the US corporation tried to pull the antisemitism approach on Sikhs, even before blaming the unions.

[@SafavidAfsharid3197]

Majority of Madhya Pradesh state are hindus not Sikhs.

[@RedGreenBrown]

@@SafavidAfsharid3197 Try listening to the actual episode next time for context.

[@BarkleyBCooltimes]

Funny how the environmental disasters done by companies get ignored or barely noted on such as Bhophal, Exxon-Valdez oil spill, BP oil spills, Norfolk Southern, and others.

[@Jergling]

The "drink some milk to counteract the poisoning" myth is still given as advice today in industries where workers are exposed to metal fumes. I've had welders tell me this is how to get over zinc poisoning from accidentally welding on galvanized steel.

[@exodiatheforbiddenone186]

Does that even work or is it a myth?

[@sammckenney8163]

​@@exodiatheforbiddenone186your question was answered in the comment

[@_NewtonMeter]

57:22 aw yes the 3 horseman of the apocalypse Union Carbide, DOW, and DuPont

[@whensomethingcriesagain]

Surprised the fourth one, Bayer, didn't crop up in this shit show somehow

[@FlameDarkfire]

“It could never happen in the US” it almost fucking did, at Bayer Crop Science in West Virginia when another explosion almost took out an MIC tank.

[@malcolmdarke5299]

Union Carbide have a history of failing to properly protect their workers and conusmers. There was the King City thing, where they had people mining asbestos without proper PPE. And the *slew* of lawsuits around their use of asbestos, too.

[@corvuscallosum5079]

and of course Hawks Nest Tunnel

[@mrchoochoohead9033]

those Union Carbide hand ads sound like the ads you'd see in Alien Isolation

[@meatmobile]

Union Carbide is more evil sounding than Umbrella Corp, holy shit.

[@mjaynes288]

I am about 5 minutes in and know the answer to the question "Why does every school kid learn the name Chernobyl but... very few people in the west have heard of Bhopal?" One happened under communism and the other was caused by a capitalism from the USA.

[@ClockFink]

47:47 This factoid is one of those moments that made me curse out loud. Like just… f*ck you, Union Carbide… like Sikhs in India don’t have enough problems without you trying to use them to obfuscate your negligence.

[@jayspeidell]

This sounds like every USCSB investigation video. Horrifying content on that channel, definitely worth the watch for sickos that listen to Behind the Bastards.

[@awkwardukulele6077]

Thanks for the recommend, found a new channel to feed my corporation hate-watching appetite.

[@shaunmcisaac782]

Me: sees headline... Is it Bhopal? I'll bet its Bhopal.

[@septegram]

Same.

[@thesoupin8or673]

"We can't fault the ocean for taking the rich" While I relate to this sentiment, isn't it famously the case that a huge number of the deaths on the Titanic were poor, third-class passengers that were relegated belowdecks and therefore were farther from the boats and also not even alerted to the crash by the crew or other passengers? Seems pretty reductive to boil the incident down to a bunch of rich passengers dying. Also, I don't think those guys deserved to die either, I just want their wealth reappropriated to make society better for everyone

[@notoriouswhitemoth]

They have two unions so they can pit them against each other, undercutting the point of a union, and when their negligence causes the biggest industrial accident in recorded history (which, like all industrial accidents, could easily have been prevented if the people in charge had any ethics whatsoever), they blamed the unions who tried to prevent it. This is somehow better than human rights?

[@jacksonayres6326]

It is for the people in charge

[@notoriouswhitemoth]

@@jacksonayres6326 How? What benefit is there in destroying your own reputation killing thousands of people through obvious negligence destroying machinery that cost them a fortune? Even if they somehow profit from it, they literally have more money than they know what to do with!

[@KaraZiasapiens]

​​@@notoriouswhitemoth Even more $$$$$

[@notoriouswhitemoth]

@KaraZiasapiens How is more money a benefit for people who are already miserable because they have too much money? And how is spending billions to make millions supposed to get them more money?

[@ohnoagremlin]

​@@notoriouswhitemoth well, assume that all other people are lessers barely worthy of receiving food for operating factory machines, and then apply that filter over ideas like "your reputation" with them

[@josephsager9425]

I already own a couple of cheap bolt cutters. Should I invest a battery operated one? They kinda hurt my arms to use.

[@Matt_The_Hugenot]

I remember Bhopal. There were so many avoidable disasters in the decade of Reagan and Thatcher, not a coincidence.

[@christophercampbell4670]

Love the cast

[@someone_stole_my_handle]

I saw the title and went yep, Bhopal, this is going to be a rough one

[@user-gk2ul1vf2z]

This one made me cry

[@majuuorthrus3340]

Are there any charitable efforts to clean up the plant and surrounding zone in Bhopal? Like, Union Carbide et al should pay for that, but getting the toxins out of the groundwater faster is more important.

[@saintsfanatik]

Oooh, oooh...do the Port Chicago Disaster next... :(

[@scratchback2001]

Bhopal. what a nightmare!

[@majuuorthrus3340]

Union Carbide sounding cartoonishly evil feels like why Trump reminds people of an eighties movie villain who gets taken down by a golden retriever - people writing eighties movies where evil capitalists were taken down by golden retrievers based their villains on him.

[@exodiatheforbiddenone186]

*Reads title and description* Is it Bhopal? *Reads the comments* Yup its Bhopal

[@mathewkelly9968]

Bhopal

[@Anna-gn3em]

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[@khornedmaple]

3:46 That's kinda misleading, considering basically no one lives around Chernobyl anymore. 200,000 people were evacuated and the land of 120,000 of those evacuees continues to be considered uninhabitable for human life.

[@daniellassander]

You can decide for yourself right now, live in a cave without running water, electricity, plumbing and a soft mattress exposed to the temperature outside every single day (if we all agreed to it of course) or have another Bhopal disaster. It is literally one or the other. Because disasters happens frequently no matter what you do, because the greatest source of all those accidents is plain old human error. The real reason behind the Bhopal disaster is just that, plain old human error, and for as long as we live extremely comfortable and rich lives those disaster will keep on happening, because every bloody little thing has to be produced, and its more efficient to do it on big sites, and since prices are determined by supply and demand, the company with the big sites gets the customers, and whoops another Bhopal disaster. Simply because of plain old human error. "No we can have an AI tell us" great job, in order to ensure that we do what the AI tells us to do it must be illegal to not do that with rather big sentencing as well, great job now you have a 100% totalitarian, authoritarian dictatorship the world has ever seen, Kim Jong Un would blush in shame (if his goal is just that). Welcome to north korea type 2, were everything is even worse then in actual North Korea.

[@whensomethingcriesagain]

You're just describing the problems with capitalism, those are artificial constructs. If you move away from a market economy, there's no need for things like cost cutting or prices in the first place, which would cut down on the biggest causes of disasters like these.

[@Lordofrye]

I feel like blaming bhopal on human error is a bit disingenuous when it was running completely fine when it was well managed and the cost cutting ratcheted up the chances of such a thing. If you started randomly removing support struts from the Eiffel tower, then blamed "metal fatigue" when the whole thing eventually collapsed, it wouldn't be uncharitable to say you were lying to cover your own ass.

[@kingalphawerewolf]

You know nothing. In fact, you have a deficit of knowledge, a bed of lies, and a lack of empathy.

[@HarryDirtay]

I really appreciate you decent into hysterics, arguing against a totalitarian AI that nobody suggested. Must feel good to give yourself a piece of your own mind😂

[@RedGreenBrown]

No.

[@thrdstooge]

Christ,...nothing worse than unfunny people trying to be funny. I'll just Wiki this story.

[@thomasrhodes7128]

I agree to some extent some of the things he says is taken straight from Wikipedia so just repeating stuff from the wiki can get pretty boring sometimes.

[@thrdstooge]

@@thomasrhodes7128 I'd rather they do that then fake laugh at each other's lame humor as they muscle their way through the Wiki page.

[@meetrimet]

You sound sad, like you could use some boltcutters

[@thrdstooge]

@@meetrimet ah, you must be their comedy writer.

[@thomasrhodes7128]

You are perfect candidate for the physical manifestation of the youtube comments section this in its self is perfect comedy.

[@MrIluvbutts]

SLAVA UKRAINE

[@Virjunior01]

Yo... their "spokesman" is the literal hand of white christian god. What the hell...

[@vowgallant4049]

School and media in America leaps at any opportunity to make communism look bad while sweeping capitalisms failures untlder the rug. Chernobyl gets a tv show, Bhopal gets forgotten. The Holodomore is taught in school, while the Bengalese famines are deemed unimportant to learn about.

[@Specter5053]

Actually, I just watched a biopic about this incident on Netflix. It's called Railwaymen. It mostly follows a group trapped in the train station, trying to get a message out to warn a train coming in so it doesn't run into the gas cloud, and trying to keep the people at the station alive. It's a good mini series.