"The Industry Ruined Me" || HC Pod

[@YourAuntiesCouldNever]

This is why Chuckie is needed. The way he handled this interview was top class. Love to Hardy for speaking his truth. wish him success and good health ❤

[@TheElaine164]

Agreed 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@user-gv1fl7hp1i]

100%!

[@TheAlkebulanTrust]

🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿

[@mslondonlove1435]

You’re sooo right, Chuckie conducted this very well, especially with such difficult topics. I wish Hardy well

[@flavoursonly]

Big respect to Hardy for opening up, absolutely spot on about musicians being broken people. To give some psychological context, on topics which a lot of us suffered from which he has given in layman terms, hardy has experienced textbook “parentification” from his mother, which is where your covertly becoming her caretaker and role reversal takes place, and your childhood is simultaneously stolen from under your feet, because your caring for mums big feelings not your own. It is a form of abuse, parenting is one way. But not always intentional, but as the caretaker child it wasn’t your problem, parents have to look after themselves to look after you. Secondly, hardy is describing a state of “dissociation” to cope with his childhood trauma, this compounded with the “conditional love” he felt from his first love, his mother, is also why he doesn’t believe in unconditional love. If you will…she was only able to offer the unconditional love children should all feel, when she was supported. Thus I can’t be in a state all the time and be loved regardless, love is dependant on things, therefore it’s conditional (you subconsciously learn this as a child). Thirdly, most musicians are either highly narcassitic or have NPD which makes them very toxic people, and sadly means they often continuously abuse partners, narcassism is pattern that is developed during childhood and adolescence ironically as a protection from there core self, and true feelings. Fourth, intrusive thoughts are a key element of all Cluster B personality disorders, and if they aren’t controllable it is OCD where you think they have meaning etc. Also, his dad sounds abusive “old fashion” style which will of made everything worse. Coupled with child sexual abuse which is literally so awful ❤️‍🩹. Hardy sounds like a balance of all four, but a very very brave man to and strong to come out about all this. Big fuckin respect 👏🏼👏🏼 Hurt people, hurt people, truest shit you will ever hear in your life. Good self help psychological channels: - Richard Grannon - Sam Vaknin (NPD specialist) SHOUTOUT CHUCKIE!!! Amazing pod!

[@JoeSmith-hd7kk]

Amen. Those channels are amazing, and I also want to recommend Dr. Ramani on youtube. She has done some great podcasts with Lisa Bilyeu, which are a great starting point.

[@simonpaul2836]

wow I'm usually You as in the Gem u just spit to so many people around me and always knew these intricate entanglements but to be voiced in clear clinical ways is such a fresh air ............. Thank you even therapist need therapist

[@AcesizOfficial]

This a whole essay lol great breakdown though 👏🏽 #Respect 💯

[@Rosebuddz_Revenge]

🏆🏆🏆

[@surferjae27]

Hardy is so self aware & emotionally mature 🙌🏽 I wish him nothing but positive energy ✨✨

[@T.T7934]

🔋✅

[@Itsthecreative]

My bruddas, there's a lot of people moving around out here, not even realising they're broken or suffering from trauma. They just think that it's normal. Understanding where you're at, is the first step to get to where you need to go. May Allah guide and protect you on this journey. Big up Chuckz for this ep. This is why I always say this pod is here for the community.

[@em8969]

How strong must he be to come and speak his truth, much love my bro, you will do well in life

[@HassLDN]

This is such a good pod. I generally didn’t know much about Hardy and when poet gave that example of the “4 year artist” he was the first person that came to mind but hearing how the industry fucked him over and the struggles he went through really was an eye opener. Good stuff as always chuckie ❤

[@salmak9309]

Chuckie you would be a sick interviewer honestly!! You ask such deep, wholesome and meaningful questions. Someone needs to pattern you !!! You’re amazing 🤩

[@heidibeckham4507]

👏👏👏👏

[@Left_it]

Speaking out against abuse is the first step to taking back control. Much respect to Chucky as well for hosting this

[@TheGardenofEdun]

Big up to Hardy for sharing his story so freely despite how hard that must've been. I'm sure it's gonna help a lot of people who've been in similar situations 🙏🏿♥️

[@user-gv1fl7hp1i]

EXCELLENT Pod Chuckie! You are reaching so many different demographics and people with different interests - from music, to money management to the psychological impact of trauma in the industry! Hardy was an inspiration to listen to and, may I add, the reason it all became clear to him at the age of 25 is because that is when the adolescent brain development slows down to a halt (at around 23/26 years old) and the adult executive - functioning brain kicks in, we become more prepared to cope and become more resilient with disappointments in the world. In other words - it was time for Hardy to know the truth as he was resourced enough at that time to get through it. Any earlier may have been to his detriment. Chuckie, you have such a compassion with your guests - you are respected, admired and loved for what you and your team are doing. 'Keep on keeping on'.

[@nightArbitrage]

Hardy is my guy. So talented. Doesn't get enough credit. Hope he finds peace and strength soon. We need him. 🙏

[@Kayz_]

When it comes to summer tunes Hardy Caprio is one of the very best. Hopefully his mental and physical health is good 🙏

[@damilolamilburn6864]

Facts bruh

[@brandao76]

Hardy x one acen was illegal 🔥

[@Fairuzfan2]

my mum suffered similar childhood abuse from her dad and the story she told me of repressing things and gradually remembering them is very similar to how hardy describes it here. Takes a lot to speak on this shit on a public platform. Very admirable. Proper shit this ❤️

[@Joeonline26]

I have some questions around the black minds matter charity. I don't think there's an unfair discrepancy between white or black people in terms of getting mental health access. Maybe between working class or upper class, but not race. The likelier case is that the black community (especially black men) have way more stigma around discussing mental health and are more reluctant to use services than people in white communities. This is what I've found to be the case in my experience

[@hervemalila2523]

Chuckie shoutout to you man and Hardy too these conversations are needed and I’m glad the mandem are open to having these discussions now man… thank you to you both 🖤

[@juliet5263]

Thank you, Chuckie, for doing this episode. The community needed to hear this. We have so much healing to do.

[@JoshJTheMusic]

Really felt the beginning of the pod about feeling happiness and feeling low intensely.

[@dele-586]

Wow what an episode- this was deep, much needed......much respect for Hardy opening up..... 🙏🏾

[@Gemma.Marie.]

This isn't the end of the story... Hardy gonna come back bigger and badder now he's free to just do him.

[@painfree1349]

Such a wise, brave l, eloquent young man! It takes strength to speak your truth in such an open an honest way! God bless you Chuckz & Hardy! HC to the Worl’

[@styell5404]

no words for how good this was, indescribable.

[@michaelandreou4996]

Best Podcast on any Platform so please keep them coming as this is only one of a few Pods i can listen to from start to finish 👌🏻.

[@naemull2055]

This is such a beautiful interview, honestly this why I love this pod. The way chuckie handled this interview is amazing and I wish hardy so much love and warmth ❤️

[@FreddyForbidden]

This was one of the most impactful episodes I’ve watched in time

[@bathroomdiaries5393]

This was such a great interview....it was really brave of him to speak up !! I hope this starts a convo with men and sexual abuse

[@MrLondonTV]

Loved this talk!! Keep this content coming brother 👊🏾

[@ijechuks4300]

I think the key word here is safeguarding. In healthcare everyone is responsible for safeguarding the patients but it seems that in the entertainment industry there is no level of safeguarding. Everyone is out for themselves and out to squeeze as much money as they can from the artists. So much so that artists mental and physical health declines rapidly in that industry. Why would a label take an artist to go see a therapist when them being in a tortured state helps them produce the music that sells, the artist using drugs keeps them loopy enough to not negotiate better deals for themselves and allow the label to siphon money off of them

[@BigPurp9]

Was heartbreaking reading his post. Always looked up to Hardy as one of the few artists to get his education before fully committing to music. Pray he only has better days from here on out🙏🏿

[@alexandras2559]

The best way of delivering a trigger warning. I wish for others to take note

[@azitsallgood2514]

Chuckie has a very good spirit and vibe. Love to Hardy as well 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿

[@JoshJTheMusic]

‘If you have a future, you have a chance’ THIS!

[@KayodeKoD]

A great, honest conversation. Much respect for Hardy Caprio, very educated and intelligent individual and big up Chuckie too.

[@WepGrade]

This is a serious one, we need to hear man finish their thoughts today. Glad this wasn't one with Po

[@sagancobra6402]

Trust me!

[@Tan-ns2hr]

Yeh poet would not have handled this sensitively

[@robashley9876]

Love this conversation 🙏🏿 Hardy comes across so well, smart, self aware and humble. Never really spent much time with his music but from this and the Cheque Up, I rate him. Great one again Chucks 🙏🏿

[@junioros5194]

Chuckie I feel like you asked him good counter questions and respectfully held him accountable for certain things. A lot of these artists know what they’re getting into when they sign. Business is business, simple. Separately have to commend him on the SA story, very brave.

[@TeeTee-qr1vs]

I’d love to see Glamma Kid interview, he was a young man who became famous from the ends. He became bankrupt they even made him make a song about it and then never see him on tv again Next time saw him he had a mental breakdown 💔 industry is deep.

[@mslondonlove1435]

Such a great conversation! I hope Hardy finds peace 🤍

[@cameronturner-lowe599]

Bro the strength of this conversation got me thinking bout my own upbringing

[@Q................]

Respect...!Epic episode keep pushing Hardy you will find your peace. Your gaining key understanding of yourself. Its a massive achievement. The future is bright regardless. ❤

[@bazdavid5032]

Great episode. Big up Hardy for this and Chuckie on job as usual 👏🏿

[@Jojoeyofficial]

Big epsiode and all respect to Hardy for being so open & transparent. Chuckie this episode is almost like a therapy session. Keep it coming. Its needed 👏🏾💎

[@Tan-ns2hr]

I really hope Hardy is seeking professional help, it takes a huge amount of bravery to speak up about such SA. Such a shame he had to easentially become his mum's carer and lost his own childhood in that process. And his dad's reaction was truly disgusting, why so worried about Hardy telling people his story eurgh 😔

[@justcharlene3569]

What an incredible conversation. What a braveheart ♥️

[@JustMyOpinion-]

Thanks for the simple but broad information in regards to therapy!

[@jada5330]

Such a good interview. This will help so many people. Wishing him happiness and success✨

[@mikebassett9195]

I've only watched the first 20mins and will come back later to watch rest. But Hardy your being too polite bro. The way your handling it is correct but just know that I know your being polite. And I respect you for it. When you been through shit you understand more shit. These people your talking about are spoilt and selfish. They know they are taking the piss but they don't care because they are self serving. Best way forward is just shutting up and getting away from them. Trust me as someone who's been through it, talking is what these people want. Their looking for words to twist, conversations they can emotionally manipulate. Say nothing and let them ruin themselves. People who went through the most have a heavy heart and we are easily manipulated through that.

[@sarahswaibu4005]

This was a very emotional interview to listen to. So proud of Harry for speaking his truth. It’s sad to say, but I feel this is something that happens very often in the black community. I hope this helps anyone that maybe going through the same thing.

[@deansimms4969]

‘Angry kid in the car park with no shape up’😄

[@msla7623]

You've always been a GEM Chuckie. Love ya. Keep it up.

[@mountainman6172]

Very insightful and definitely uplifting for him to get it off his chest considering how personal it is; nothing remotely demasculating about this. When I first saw Hardy, I saw a younger version of me because of his positive and geniune _good energy_ Large UP!

[@AcesizOfficial]

Legendary 💯 big up Hardy Caprio

[@TheAlkebulanTrust]

Just want to point out that there is also a Black owned therapy organisation called #FrontlineTherapist

[@sip2856]

Best episode from HC yet. From a young artist perspective*

[@itsantique]

Best pod topic ever (not that I've watched all of them but of what I've seen) mi like it 🧡

[@2222cali]

A much needed interview! This one touched me in so many different ways✨❤️

[@iffysd9864]

18:57 yh hardy is too smart for the music industry. Not only does he understand accounting but he understands contracts. If he's never going to make the same music like before I dont know if there's a lane for him musically in the uk scene. The uk has fallen off in terms of what the consumer listens to. Tiktok bubblegum music is what's in right now

[@marciajoseph8951]

I'm in the gym and the irony is on the radio a song came on (living my best life) & I haven't heard this in ages & I've got my head phones on 👀

[@berjo]

The 80/20 split is legal robbery 🤦🏾‍♂️ There’s no way a bank would give you those terms even if you had the worst credit score! Young artists, learn the business and make deals on your own terms 💯

[@mufasaisalive5031]

Salone boy! Always good to see you my g

[@nwakaokparaeke614]

this was worth every moment of listening

[@TheElaine164]

Well done Hardy I wish him/you well

[@JavierHarford]

Hyper masculininization has done a number on our community - a big reason why Kevin Samuels told us to take control of our image

[@eastafricanprinny]

Not Kevin samuels😂

[@JavierHarford]

@user1331 Kevin Samuels was notorious for sure but his episode on The birth of a nation broke down alot of history on why the black / urban image is so hyper stimulating

[@iffysd9864]

@@eastafricanprinny only single unwanted women or Simps hate Kevin Samuels He spoke truth. Hyper masculinity has been pushed on black men the most and no other race. That's a problem.

[@Laura-sg6ss]

@@eastafricanprinny LOOOLL fr.. kmt..he wasn't a good leader man.

[@Laura-sg6ss]

@@JavierHarford fair enough, if you got something from that, at least you got that but I mean tbh, Black people BEEN saying this for years anyways, and the history has even been broken down billions of times. Obvs you got to this info through him, that's neither here nor there, but my point is that we say this, and we may even mean it fully but we don't do nothing and it sucks. We do need our own labels, and just us around us. Artists now are really trying which is good to see but we need more, in order to get control, we need power.

[@JoshJTheMusic]

So hard to listen to but it will help so many people!

[@rmanS2C]

Can someone break down why the industry ruined him? It just seems like he’s taking in circles to me and I say that respectfully

[@lisabrown7157]

Repressed memories is maddd I never knew it was possible as I always help people but it is madddddd..You can go years forgetting and den bam

[@apeshitphilosophy5221]

The truth is hardy needs to come strong and compete with the new rappers out now, he can do it again, just needs to focus and move on from the past!!!! Make a classic album, link with some producers and singers and make some hit songs and the right people will start paying attention

[@Madbrad2000]

them hardy grime tunes were cold I miss when he did that. Liked his later stuff too tho

[@TheElaine164]

Conditional love 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 oppose to unconditional love

[@cameronturner-lowe599]

This is why I love this fucking pod

[@andrewthomas4641]

Great interview brother, you need a slot on LBC

[@kevindavis4585]

Love from America Great podcast, keep doing your thing king

[@kikiwithvee6597]

What a good interview 👏🏾 👌🏾

[@camberwhale4748]

Label model same as Venture Capital model where: artists = startups probability of return governs everything IYKYK

[@jamieleslie3037]

I am 1m 20 in and gentlemen...👏🏾 never forgetting the duty of care to the community 👊🏾

[@TheElaine164]

An EXCELLENT conversation with Hardy Caprio 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@simonpaul2836]

yo hardy is soooo me it's crazy without the sexual abuse i couldn't even imagine that kind of pain

[@DOLLEROFFICIAL]

COLD INTERVIEW

[@Laura-sg6ss]

Out here. Strong. Saw his post. I think he needs to time out and really sort through things because otherwise what goes in, comes out - and I don't even expect it all to be good even after getting help but take time for real. And also put it in the music, if you are comfortable to share, being creative with music is a great way to release emotion and connect with others who feel/have experienced the same abuse. But lemme dive into to this💅🏾 Oh he's back and better, eh? Love that!!! 🤘 Big up

[@LiveWithZih]

HC on the HC Pod

[@TheElaine164]

The filling it with something else 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 example

[@KA-sq1of]

Very talented musician👏🏿

[@Laura-sg6ss]

Nah man I thought I was gonna be first. Stop stop stop😂😂 you lot are too fast.

[@KA-sq1of]

@Laura 🤣🤣couldn’t believe it when I didn’t see a comment!

[@Laura-sg6ss]

@@KA-sq1of I was so close! I'm pissed bro💀💀 have a good one man, next time🤘😋

[@jhardworkpaysoff474]

His grm daily was deep 🥶

[@apeshitphilosophy5221]

Labels are 100% funded and focused on their legacy acts. New artists are mostly just passion projects for the new young a&rs who get hired on a whim and will be out of a job within 12 months. Tiny money involved, tiny attention. Let’s be honest they know that the likelihood of signing another Ed Sheeran is very slim!! Because it’s so many factors at play. If they can squeeze one little hit out of the new artist then it’s a win

[@TheNgentertainment]

30:41 interesting comment about therapy because some of the best tracks are made coming from pain… if an artist deals with there pain before their music maybe they wont create as good

[@Recklessmusician]

This is a serious one still

[@mray9305]

Love to Hardy ❤️🙏🏿💯💯🔥

[@shrewdmoney]

This is why Wiley is an OG

[@LukeNovember]

1:07:35… I really wanted to know where Hardy was going with that, but chuckie locked it off rq

[@jojobeks9016]

God bless you Chuckie

[@mo.b101]

Life's improving fast, look at dat German, Guten Tag!

[@TheElaine164]

👏🏼 👏🏼 👏🏼 👏🏼 👏🏼 for the intro

[@BillyGOAT83]

Jesus Hardy is an intelligent guy! 👊🏾

[@Tan-ns2hr]

So sad how he felt unsafe hanging out with men bec of what happened, but he mistook it for a hood thing damn

[@realestudergroundsou]

he needs to go back in the studio the way I use to bump his music

[@muckyeyes89]

These kind of artists are always disposable as they have a tiny shelf life. They caught a wave with a sound that was temporary. They never built solid fanbases, never actually created good music and ultimately aren't that talented. Labels got them to make generic pop cookie cutter radio rap when it was the thing around 018/19 times. Times changed quickly and the sound/industry moved on. It happens. None of these artists should have believed there was any longevity in it for them. The likes of Ramz, EO, Hardy, One Acen, Wstrn (to a lesser extent) have all been left with mental health problems as a result. Chewed up and spat out by the industry.

[@JYGtube]

You’re waffling, can’t speak for the others you listed but Hardy is actually a talented artist and he most definitely created good music.

[@solumyt]

You still have time to delete this 🥱

[@1706j]

I see what youre trynna say but realistically at the point these artists were signing they wouldnt have known for how long that wave/sound wouldve been mainstream. I agree they might heavily depend on this sound but the fact they have trouble adapting doesnt mean they arent talented

[@kayceemxx]

You may have said it abit harsh but i definitely agree. Not to say the artists are not talented but the point you made with the specific sound only popping temporarily makes perfect sense and it leaves the artists in positions where they constantly tryna chase hits and the labels don’t put no money in to it and then the artists are in debt because they can’t pay back the money owed. Mental health is definitely declining after going through all that.

[@HarshiLLmusic]

Let's go champ 🏆

[@simonpaul2836]

u can't measure someone's mountain when yours is in the way because the distance between person-mountain ---------------mountain-- person affects your depth perception

[@kanthony9154]

5:28 🤣🤣🤣 "I'm feel" Hardy 'Usyk' Caprio

[@JazzyFizzle583]

Amazing! 🔥

[@Flowerchile444]

Wow. Can’t even put it into words but his level of resilience and emotional intelligence is admirable for the childhood traumas he’s endured. Big respect for Hardy 🫶🏾

[@xMk-fb4ct]

Thought he was going to say he bought a 63s or something not rented a class