The Infinite World Iceberg Explained

[@DELTA_nc]

the red and black gi goku have is a nod to the "color manga" realease some year ago you can found it on the net and yes the original gi was not "orange" it was "redish" with black t shirt around the picolo arc just before Z

[@OP-SY]

@azurawhateverhe said in the color manga of dragon ball not z nor super.

[@redacted6447]

It also looks red and black in fusion reborn when they're hiding from janemba

[@TimeDoptimus-1885]

Sometimes Toriyama would use "Partial Color" in Dbz, which means using only one color, which, in this case, is red. So that explains the black and red gi goku.

[@albertomatheus9503]

About 100% accurate ultimates, the reason why the new characters don't have the win/lose bar is because all the animations came from a arcade game realesed only in Japan, it's called Dragon Ball W Bakuretsu Impact, it used the same budokai 3's engine and had a lot new ultimates, including patner ultimates. In infinite World all of the new ultimates (not including the shin budokai one) are from this game, they just recycled but didn't make the losing animation, maybe lazy or no budget or no time, who knows.

[@kiz5562]

The game was rushed out before the end of the ps2 cycle in 2008. Its pretty clear it was an oversight by the devs. They simply forgot to add it in. Same with the broken Ai difficulty.

[@biohazardbin]

21:28 No, the reason Cell's voice is Perfect is probably because of the Japanese VA only doing one voice for Cell and not multiple for English.

[@shotgunmasterQL]

Initially I didn't think beam struggles were removed for budget reasons, as neither was Dragon Rush removed for that reason (Dragon Rush was annoying to a good portion of the players, it messed with the pacing of the gameplay). They already had the code for the beam struggles in Budokai 3, there's no reason why it couldn't just work in Infinite World in the same fashion. However, then I realized that they added those new ultimates in Shin Budokai style... if I had to guess, they either didn't have the time to make all new interactions for those ultimates for beam struggles, or they didn't know how to deal with these new ultimates and the old beam struggles, so it was just easier to remove beam struggles. So it would have been an effort to unify how beam attacks behave in the game. The new ultimates look like they maybe should be able to clash but if they behaved differently from the regular beam attacks (destroy the weaker attack and go through), it could feel annoying and inconsistent. Removing beam struggles would bring all beam like attacks more in line by making them behave more similarly. So it was either a budget decision (didn't have enough time to create new interactions) or a general gameplay tweak to address an issue they didn't know how to deal with. Could be a mix of both.

[@kiz5562]

bit of both. the game was only developed in 5-6months after burst limit, and dropped late 2008. The new ultimates are honestly too OP (ssj teen gohan being the most annoying). IW isnt perfect, as it has some pretty big oversights, but its still alot of fun and worth playing.

[@kamiloalvarez5800]

@@kiz5562 wdym is not perfect? yall always call something not perfect

[@kiz5562]

@@kamiloalvarez5800 just my opinion. I like IW, but B3 is a better game overall.

[@اميركاظم-م2ز]

This Game is nostalgic. I remember getting it for my PS2. I was little and didn’t understand That much of English so I just went to story mode and just fought without Using any items because I didn’t know how to use them and I was basically playing on “Normal” the entire time. Ultimates and Super Attacks carried me hard. I can’t believe I actually defeated Janemba and Pikkon at the end💀 (With 3 health bars as well because i didn’t know you could upgrade your health and stats)

[@TreyGodi]

GT Goku has a mini games that was cut but can still be found of him running on snake way. That's what happened to GT's mini games.

[@justindesouza977]

how can I find it?

[@VeggiePun]

27:30 the black and red is a reference to the end of OG DB. In the last couple episodes his Gi is colored red.

[@radioactivebirdj.1845]

Small correction, Dragon Thunder is taken from Rage Shenron. Omega's version combines Syn's spikes with it.

[@TheVillianBlackBeard]

Inifinite World is a classic best of the budokay series extremely hard to find these days ive never played such harder dbz difficulty ever back the day cpu useddd murderrr me on those combos

[@cantstopbrock]

There is a few things I’d be adding to this iceberg When you apply the Gogeta/Vegetto capsule, Goku & Vegeta’s combo strings revert back to their Budokai 3 strings Directional inputs can only start combo strings Mini-Game fails, when you fail you get unique cutscenes, like Yamcha getting owned by the Gravity Chamber Hercule vs 18 Story Mission (for Zeni Farming). You have to get ringed out to win.

[@stale_cheeto]

he already mentioned 18 vs hercule

[@nora-yc6fi]

Nice Iceberg, it's nice to see IW content of any kind as this game goes underappreciated which sucks cuz this is (imo) the best game in the budokai style (shin budokai, burst limit, and the Budokai trilogy) I do have one little note though about the Syn shenron entry Syn has no skills in game because the moves he has are all things he got after absorbing the dragon balls Whirlwind spin is an Oceanus technique while dragon thunder (the version used in game with the lightning from above) is a Rage shenron technique. It's the dragon thunder clap attack Omega uses on SSJ4 Goku, he uses it when he first gets all 7 dragon balls and is showing all the moves he now has, he specifically does Eis' freeze eyes into a whirlwind spin to pick goku up then finishes with a dragon thunder clap to send goku back down.

[@kiz5562]

im actually glad they nerfed Shenron, since he was borderline broken in B3. Starting with max ki was far too much in B3, so adding the transformation cap in IW made him more balanced.

[@AntonGT]

Brooo These Ice Bergs IS 🔥🔥🔥 Keep doing more!

[@Gogeta2501]

Best of budokai series

[@extremelegendsupreme4596]

Please do more of these, burst limit should be next as that game has so much unused content

[@DemetriB0329]

Janemba having his 1st form voice in his final form is creepy but its Funny at the sametime lol😂

[@pages4573]

Special Beam Cannon is still technically in the game as a real time ultimate attack. Makes me wonder why they didn't do the same with final flash since GT vegeta ad Baby both have it as regular super moves. Edit: Wait you mentioned them never mind XD

[@stefanoninivaggi98]

I've always believed that the beam struggles were removed because controllers kept breaking down

[@Mj31464]

Ive been anticipating this video.

[@thomasverslycken2563]

About the dragon rush removal That features was essentially the bad fraction of the ultimate tenkaichi expirience anyway

[@MadDragonify]

Honestly I would rather have Dragon Rush than remove attacks tied to them like Warp Kamehameha and Final Flash

[@mattb6369]

@@MadDragonify I guess the compromise to that was putting in the non-cinematic beam Ultimates like Shin Budokai did, so you can still use some scaled-down versions of Ultimates like Final Flash as Vegeta and Special Beam Cannon as Piccolo.

[@Hawxses]

low key i want a full vod about Bodukai 4 and how do you think the game should be

[@matsu7086]

I know what an iceberg is, it's what Vegeta and Piccolo were hiding inside of during the Android 13 movie. And what Broly was stuck inside in Second Coming. And where Dr Wheelo was trapped in the Worlds Strongest... Man, there a lot of frozen people in Dragonball.

[@BlusterTheBenevolent]

I know it’s not an arena fighter like all the other Dragon Ball games you’ve done, but I hope you can do one of these for DBZ Kakarot one day.

[@VeggiePun]

I never thought about reused assets being brought into Burst limit. I figured the engine was completely different

[@ThunderNecros]

Great video!

[@ubulayne_]

bro im bricked up for the dbz infinite world iceberg

[@anotheryoutubeaccount8122]

i remember being killed by freiza on very easy all the time as a kid lol. now i play on the hardest difficulty in the game and i wish he was more of a challenge

[@jmzawesomeness]

dope video man

[@brennenbrown7543]

What did u say at 21:26? "Which is really nice, because super saiyan has a power "bre" from base form"??? WHAT DID YOU SAYYYYEE? 😂

[@premedakiid2931]

this is the game we REALLY need a sequel to. literally dbz tekken

[@JayDOVA]

i think the af gi is just from gokus gi at the end of og dragonball

[@smailchali5102]

whats the music that keeps playing during point of no return section

[@BlusterTheBenevolent]

What music do you use for these iceberg videos?

[@SegaMario]

You forgot Dragon Ball AF Goku.

[@lm_hjj]

You can actually select the random icon on stage select and it would give you a destroyed stage level. Downside is that you have to do it multiple times till you get the stage you want

[@TheKnuckmin]

The background music in this video is too high. It's kinda drowning out your voice.

[@TheSadMusician]

I got headphones on and it sounded alright, but yeah a bit too loud at parts

[@louay-m2e]

Can you do the games of psp too?

[@jhosvillanueva7265]

Final kamehameha was in shin budokai for vegito

[@Tofuuuuuu]

i'm sorry but your iceberg videos are terrible, they're just made by you with absolutely 0 community involvement to make said iceberg. a lot of the time you just straight up don't know what you're talking about and just skip over it. the comments have to come in and actually explain it to you half of the time and it's just awful. your xenoverse and budokai videos are prime examples of this

[@shadowgoku6009]

Red and black teen goku ??

[@Henixthedemorian]

First, also keep up the work Warden.

[@waalex11]

I finally bought it just recently, somehow forgetting how bad it looked, am shocked at how blindly overrated by some reviews on KZbin, with this proving to me more why this Budokai is awful. I still wonder if the fighting is a bit fun, but the mini games kill it for me, along everything else for how lazy and lifeless it is. I already look forward to selling it for at least a $100 profit years later.

[@dpglounge4900]

Saying referring over 9000 times lol

[@waalex11]

This proves for the most part why a 3/10 is deserved for this lazy awful Budokai game.

[@VeggiePun]

13:00 bro chill. They had a year between each game. the crunch was probably crazy. Making a games is really hard. The new attacks not have defenses animation sucks yeah. But reused text is what ever. It's pretty obvious they were being held back by time and budget. The PS2's power probably wasn't helping either. It's not that big of a deal.

[@theoverseer1775]

"We have Budokai 3 at home."

[@Tassooow]

This game was so disappointing as a kid. My friends and I thought it would be like a Budokai 4, but it was much lamer. We played it for like 1h then went back to Tenkaichi 3 lol

[@SplicerYT]

Biggest question I had when I was a kid with this game and Budokai 3 is why Gogeta SS4 becomes black with white hair when you fuse using alternative outfits. Diversity I guess 😂

[@waalex11]

It clearly had budget cuts. It's so lazy.

[@trevorjenkins2176]

What they should do is make a DX version of Budokai 3 adding Infinite World to it.

[@theoverseer1775]

Isn't FighterZ basically just Budokai 4? I know the gameplay is VERY different, but it's still a left-to-right Dragon Ball fighting game, so it's a sort of spiritual successor, right?

[@somewhatstrangemogeko9494]

No

[@Nunubotz2]

its more an edit of budokai 3 than a new budokai, it doesn't feel like an upgrade

[@biohazardbin]

❌

[@shotgunmasterQL]

Nah, that's like saying XenoVerse is Tenkaichi 4 because it's a 3D arena figter with free flight. FighterZ is probably a bit closer to Super Dragon Ball Z (the PS2 game) than Budokai, but I think they are still pretty different.

[@Egobert]

Infinite world was kinda Budokai 4 and Burst Limit Budokai 5 (this one is the most sad one cause it was rushed asf)

[@Simmlex]

This game sucks so hard. I remember when it came out me and my friend were big Budokai 3 fans and we were really good at it. We got this game, booted it up, played 3 matches and decided to just go back playing budokai 3. We never played this game again.

[@Egobert]

Skill issue

[@Simmlex]

@oPR Nope, definitely not. We were playing so much Budokai 3 back then that Z3 difficulty was a joke to us. This game is just bad.

[@kiz5562]

its not perfect, but it has some quirks that make it more enjoyable for me to revisit than B3. Of course B3 has better fanservice and a better storymode, but IW removed that garbage dragonrush and vastly improved the capsule system. The aura dash and charge attack make it faster paced. Also they list out all the combos the characters can do. If B3 was a 9/10, IW would be a 7.5 or 8/10.

[@DanielLopes-dh2hv]

I'll never understand the reason to have gt Goku only turn ssj3..and give ssj4 to Z goku

[@kiz5562]

It was an oversight. Since gt goku starts in his kid-form, and the fusion character model has to be assigned to his adult model. Which is why ssj4 gt goku has the same voicelines as gogeta/vegito goku. The dev's probably missed this or didnt bother to re-program it to give his GT form the fusion.

[@wolly9734]

This iceberg exists just to bitch about infinite world 😭😭

[@waalex11]

Awful mini games/etc. of everything else and lackluster fighting mechanics.