The Intel Arc B580: Midrange GPU Magic!

[@Level1Techs]

Hey everyone! Check out our full benchmarks over on the forum (link below) any and all edits, typos, etc. will be fixed ~ Amber forum.level1techs.com/t/l1-benchmarking-the-new-intel-b580-is-actually-good/221580

[@terrycook2733]

Is it reasonable for start citizen gameplay..... I dont see any content creater doing what I have offered your company for us gamers.

[@jackrabbitping]

Thank you Wendell. Asrock sold something called the Deskmax in China. It was slightly bigger than the deskmeet but had better GPU support. I'd really like it if you you could get your hands on it.

[@ThatGuy-ht9sp]

Thanks ~Amber

[@mastroitek]

you reported a 14W idle power with a 1440p 144hz monitor, any idea how it scales with resolution though? I'm asking because GB reported a 34W idle power consumption which is high, but I do not know what monitor/s they used

[@mytech6779]

I would like to see some sort of SyCL benchmark on GPUs (oneAPI or AdaptiveCPP [formerly openSyCL/hipSyCL]); Being a sort of a multi-platform open source alternative to CUDA it seems like a reasonably good candidate for GPU-compute benchmarking.

[@tnaxpw]

Can't wait for Level1Linux vid on it, as it sounds like a nice upgrade this time around.

[@chamoferindamencha8964]

Came here to say this. I also wonder about SR-IOV...

[@Aegor1998]

Same here. I've been looking for a decently priced card to upgrade my GTX 1080 from. This looks like a really good card, but I want to know how its feature set is implemented on Linux.

[@matthewsaenz4968]

I was eyeing this card because of the new Xe kernel driver Intel is developing. The i915 kernel driver is great and legendary, but I'm gambling on Xe becoming as good as amdgpu one day, so fingers crossed! 🤞

[@Level1Techs]

We're working on it!

[@oistk8956]

@@Level1Techs Would love to see pass through on Proxmox (SR-IOV) , performance in Immich and Plex (or other small server workloads).

[@dallasangler]

My smooth brain read the title as " It's ...Goop". It broke my head.

[@loganwalsh]

It's that little reflection off the GPU and it made me read the same thing 😂

[@BBWahoo]

I read 19:34 as (Canada, Wet Fart, Chase)

[@reo1994]

Same 😅

[@aresthedevil]

I recall from the last year Intel gpu that there was a discussion about using the Intel enterprise gpu software with the consumer card (in particular gpu sharing among multiple vms without any expensive licenses). Is there an update about this with the new generation?

[@deadfool179]

They made a new one, it seems, not the arc thing anymore but an intel graphics software app

[@Kerosyn]

really happy to hear that you found such good idle power draw. that was my final hangup about arc

[@gondil07]

Just a heads-up, Gamers Nexus found a lot higher idle power draw. Better than last gen but still 35w on the GPU alone.

[@Berserkism]

​@gondil07 needs settings changed in bios and os. Intel laid out the changes, then it's about 12-15W, not as good as Nvidia but pretty close.

[@Kerosyn]

@@gondil07 I actually watched their review first, which had me worried, but this one leads me to believe that it was a configuration or software issue rather than a hardware problem. would like to see more testing from more people, but I'm confident enough that GN had something wrong on that

[@moravianlion3108]

I know that sale margins are not impressive for shareholders, but Intel needs to keep fixing aggressively their shattered reputation amongst customers.

[@ilovelimpfries]

The only hardware reviewer advise that I actually listened to.

[@MrSwedish]

I will go blue for my kids upcomming updates to do my part as a consumer.

[@GeoStreber]

Depending on how midrange RDNA 4 and RTX 5000 are priced (yeah, right.), I might recommend this one for midrange builds with some gaming in mind.

[@Ztaal3]

I'm happy to see a card in the 250 dollar range that isn't poo poo... Great news for average gamers!

[@potatoes5829]

level1linux video when?

[@appi1990]

Including Games plz😊

[@ThePirateParrot]

From the phoronix review looks to me like it's still a few steps behind. Still if they improve just a little bit my media pc has an a380 in it that might get replaced...

[@irispettson]

my thoughts exactly, would love to tell how mature it is for linux right now.

[@Legion-495]

I want to know too. I really hope they will also go with open source drivers all in and then it is plug and play to greatness.

[@azjeep26]

The charts have b580 with 8gb ram it has 12gb ram?????

[@Level1Techs]

oops this is a typo if so, 12gb on the gpu

[@gaav87]

@@Level1Techs Then fix it...

[@Raizan-IO]

@@gaav87 ....

[@Level1Techs]

@@gaav87 While I'm unable to change parts of a video that is live, you can find all revised graphs on our forum post: forum.level1techs.com/t/l1-benchmarking-the-new-intel-b580-is-actually-good/221580

[@MagicManCM]

The flowthrough fan thanks to the smaller PCB is honestly so sick.

[@dennisfahey2379]

What is interesting is Intel's long history in graphics. They focused on commoditizing graphics a very very long time ago. First they did MMX extensions in the processor core. Then they added vector processing (AVX). They were tightly coupled with Microsoft in providing what the desktop graphics needed for acceleration, focusing on their bread and butter and protecting their "moat" by assisting DirectX. Eventually - to make laptops cooler and cheaper they integrated 3D graphics into the CPU chip thus moving the bar for a sub $1000 capable Windows Laptop. So they know what they are doing on a technical level and achieve some very impressive power numbers etc. They are still catching up on the non-DirectX graphics engine support in their drivers. That is a tough obstacle as the target is constantly evolving. New leadership coming in. Let's see how they plant their feet.

[@Fuogor]

I'd be curious to see this card in compute and AI workloads. Interesting to see your comments on idle efficiency given GNSteve's woes. Also, the card is mislabeled as being 8GB on the benchmark slides. Very nice though, especially if AMD and Nvidia don't deliver particularly strong gains (in the price bracket) this upcoming generation. Exciting times though!

[@snemarch]

I really hope, even with the whole crisis thing Intel is going through, that the GPU division will be kept alive. We need competition, and the speed they've iterated with on Arc is amazing. If they keep focus on solid midrange performance at a decent price-point, focus on reducing power consumption at the same time as increasing performance, and keep offering non-gimped memory versions that are appealing to developers who want to dip their toes in ML without breaking the bank... this could really go somewhere.

[@00wheelie00]

I'll be waiting for a B770/780.

[@rantz0z]

6:20 A note for buying a used system - you will want to ensure the system has resizable bar support or else arc GPU performance will be very poor.

[@Norman_Fleming]

I am so relieved this is a good card. Kudos to the team at Intel.

[@gunhaver12]

Excellent video as us usual Wendel. I love the analysis that goes far beyond game testing numbers.

[@DavidAlsh]

vm sharing? 👀

[@ezekialsa]

Only as good as vendor support

[@lolwtfldr3]

👍 love to see more competitors in the GPU segment

[@disconductorder]

It's good bc I want intel to compete

[@dtsdigitalden5023]

Intel fighting for scraps in the low end section, both with CPU and GPU, is exactly what that company needed for a wake-up call. It's good for them, and it's good for us consumers. This card is an unexpected victory, and we should cheer Intel on, that credible competition is sorely needed. I can't help but think this only weakens AMD's GPUs sales however, since Nvidia pinches its nose as it walks past the low-end GPU marketplace. Nvidia buyers will not be tempted by this card, but potential AMD buyers will.

[@johnathanmcdoe]

If AMD finds a way to make their RT stuff more competitive, I could see this turning into a true three way split of the market Intel/AMD/Nvidia -> low-mid/mid-high/stupidmoney.

[@benjaminoechsli1941]

​@@johnathanmcdoeThe rumors are that RDNA 4 should be about equivalent to Lovelace in ray-tracing, iirc. Excited to see how RDNA 4 shakes out.

[@dtsdigitalden5023]

@@johnathanmcdoe Intel vs AMD in the low to low-mid tier, AMD vs Nvidia in the mid tier, Nvidia vs nobody in the high end? It does seem it's AMD fighting the war on both fronts, and Intel isn't taking Nvidia on at all .. but that's my silly opinion.

[@clansome]

@@dtsdigitalden5023 Why fight someone else's batlle if you haven't got the ammunition to fight it. Will be interesting to see how this scales to a B7xx. Looking forward Celestial is already taped out as is Druid. Could we have a C9xx or a D9xx. Things will be interesting in the next few years.

[@ELCrisler]

While the new launches from AMD and Nvidia will likely have a good performance lead, the pricing is where the real competition can come in. How the pricing works for Nvidia and AMD will tell if the Intel offering is going be real impactful for the next few months.

[@walkersgamingpcs]

Can’t wait to check 1 out

[@blackryan5291]

I been watching Wendell since his face stayed hidden behind a sick set of monitors like Mr Wilson on Home Improvement. Wendell literally knew everything. Wise AF just like Mr Wilson. I thought that was cool AF. I have learned soo much from Wendell. I don't even know this dude but I legit grew up with him and he taught me things. You a cool dude Wendell. You done earned the respect of millions of bros. Freaking Kudos

[@adamkamieniarz9223]

2:20 if we are thinking about the same display, it only supports 480hz in 1080p mode, so there is no 4k480 display on the market

[@blender_wiki]

Drivers can be scary considering recent Intel history.

[@Aerobrake]

Looking fw to Level1Linux!!

[@CommodoreFan64]

Same, I want to see how these cards preform under Linux, & is it just near plug, and play like AMD has been for me.

[@Ale-ch7xx]

Will you be doing any PCIE 3.0 testing for us users still on PCIE 3.0 such as the B450 and a520 motherboard?

[@KhanhDinh291]

second this. the result would be useful for egpu users as well

[@williamp6800]

It requires resizable bar. Is that even going to be a thing on MB with only PCIe 3? Edit: Hope it is because nothing I’ve got has PCIe 4.

[@sjargo11]

@@williamp6800 i have used a b450 with rebar enabled, and hardware unboxed’s podcast had one of Intels guys on and according to him pcie 3 should not have any issues

[@Ale-ch7xx]

@@williamp6800 Yes, my board has it.

[@crashniels]

​@@williamp6800 rebar works since PCIe 2.0. Newer PCIe 3.0 boards should have it by default and older ones need to get an update (or you mod the option in yourself)

[@TakaChan569]

I mean I'm not gonna run out and sell my 7900gre just yet, but if they can release something in that range I'll get one.

[@azagrial]

I really hope Intel can challange Nvidia in the future.

[@GarethFairclough]

I'd love one of these. Hope it'll fit inside my Nuc12 extreme!

[@Psytherea]

Old 2700k/2600k + Rx 580 8gb peeps looking at 5700x3d/7600x3d + b580 in amusement 😂

[@biniyamwhite3015]

Awesome review!

[@Boss_Fight_Index_muki]

So basically it has the same power as the ps5 gpu, the 6700, for $250. Impressive

[@doughy041]

I want to see a B770 card but I keep hearing that this might or might not happen which would be a shame since all I hear is decent stuff about this card.

[@seylaw]

Phoronix showed some impressive compute benchmarks. This good showing is surprising. I hope the new Intel management won't kill off their dGPUs though.

[@haroldasraz]

Battlemage seems like such a fun card: It has the bus, the VRAM, and software to let you tweak and OC the card. However, what I am really excited about, besides hugely, much more mature drivers, are the AI features that Intel has included, such as LLM and AI image generation locally - that's Huge for content generators. Hence, I hope it comes to the EU region for 250 Eur.

[@colinmaharaj]

7:35 And this is big thing for me in the tropics, low(er) power consumption. Intel is doing it with their recent CPUs, but they are late in the game, but, they will get there.

[@davidholder2100]

Great review. I would love to see you review this card with the new Intel 265 CPU. Thanks

[@vensroofcat6415]

This kind of price/performance reminds me of good old times when the green was greener - the times of GTX 960, 1060. If I were building a system with some 12400F right now I wouldn't have to think for too long I guess.

[@danc8097]

I'd like to see you test the display outputs against your KVM to see how they do in different scenarios considering how difficult it has been to get the high level of performance out of your KVMs and the shenanigans OEMs play with the different outputs

[@wiggybends3632]

I love this card - for price / performance - drivers much improved / lower power draw

[@enihi]

How's the performance on PCIE gen 3?

[@sportsfamily77]

Given the cut off requirements for Windows 11, I think it would be interesting to test 8th gen Intel, and Ryzen 2/3000 CPUs with this card.

[@EbefrenRevo]

A 250$ gpu should be the STANDARD for gaming.

[@MrHav1k]

It's not 2012 anymore man... though I somewhat long for those days, you have to get with the times.

[@Klaymore-QT]

It would be if developers actually optimized their shitty games.

[@noth606]

@@Klaymore-QT Eh, devs need to make money on their games, so they need to target an audience who spends a buncha money on games. That audience obviously is also going to spend money on the computer to play the games. Devs making games costing $50 are not going to target ppl with $500 systems.

[@benjaminoechsli1941]

$250 doesn't get you as much oomph as it used to. And it's not just corporate greed. Better memory, better cooling to tame these more power-hungry chips, not to mention the more expensive wafers used to make the chips, and BoM costs continue to climb.

[@JJop123]

Of course wendell wants more hardware rather than better software. He doesn't care about e-waste or actually utilizing a product and truly getting the most out of it.

[@solidreactor]

Would love to see how Arc compares to Nvidia and AMD in streaming and recording, specially when using OBS.

[@Halon1234]

Welp, looks like I’ll be snagging one of these… Thanks!

[@Bill-lt5qf]

Finally, a decent improvement to price for perf. It's basically my ~700 quid nvidia card from 5 years ago, for 250. Noice

[@davefroman4700]

Dream on. The scalpers have already bought every last card and the other versions of this are selling for $489 Canadian.

[@Johnwick-ed7vo]

Obviously I don't have any inside information, but I am happy to see this card is indeed delivering, but will they be around to continue to make better cards? 13:18

[@Paakli]

Perfect card if you want to upgrade from your 1080p monitor

[@johnhpalmer6098]

Liking this card, may just go ahead and order it. I'm looking at a new build for creative work (video editing etc using Davinci Resolve) and likely pairing it with a 15th gen core ultra 7 and Gigabyte Aero G Z890 MB for the new socket. Eventually, if they bring out an updated 770 type card, I'll likely get that eventually. All this to update a 7YO Dell Optiplex SFF Core i5 with an equally as ancient GT 1030 as that's all I could find to work with this setup.

[@stephanematis]

Waiting on your Linux "where does this lie" video. Also, curious if we can SteamOS with this.

[@zapman2100]

it would be great if they made a "mini" card version specifically for programs like Plex/Emby/etc or media serving computers where its meant for video transmission/decode, since they wouldn't need as much cooling wouldn't need to be as big but you also wouldn't have to rely on Onboard Graphics.

[@kraaitje]

Have you tested this card on linux yet? I'm wondering how well it's supported. For example running it with Gamescope.

[@blackvq3759]

Okay Nvidia lets sell the 5060 for $250😅

[@VauxhaIIOpel]

"An older system" and it's a 10th gen Intel... good lord, I have to upgrade my Haswell-based machine. I call it the Haswell-Maxwell, cuz it's a 4790 with a 960. It's bulletproof though!

[@jsclayton]

Haven’t been able to find if there were any QuickSync improvements this generation? Would love to see some ffmpeg or handbrake benchmarks.

[@FlyingCIRCU175]

Between now and CES, Intel actually pulled off a tangible win that is guaranteed to push AMD off the cliff and challenge Nvidia in the one price point 90% of Steam users are at. This is good, even if it's a bit fleeting pending announcements from the other two.Between now and CES, Intel actually pulled off a tangible win that is guaranteed to push AMD off the cliff and challenge Nvidia in the one price point 90% of Steam users are at. This is good, even if it's a bit fleeting pending announcements from the other two.

[@benjaminoechsli1941]

I assume your comment repeats itself because you're trying to speak it into reality? 😅

[@coccoborg]

I'm gettin this one

[@adal7758]

The best attribute of this GPU is the "Cost per frame"... which unfortunately, in Spain (and in most of Europe) is not going to be very valid, since from what I have seen so far, the cheapest version of this GPU is going to cost around 320€ (around $336) and that's trusting that the price will remain the same once they appear listed and in stock...

[@Pacho18]

Got a 16gb 4060ti for 300€ at Wallapop in Spain. So it is true that this card here is out of place.

[@Berserkism]

$439 in Australia. At that price, this performance is competitive. The cheapest 4060s are the same price, I think Inno3D 4060 is $409 at the moment. RX7600 is $399 cheapest and most around the same price as Intel's.

[@adal7758]

@@BerserkismIn Spain you can buy a RX 6750 XT for less than 375 Euros ( about 393 US dollars)....so the B580 doesn't make much sense.

[@jdl3408]

Any idea how this would do for LLM inference? Understanding the 8GB memory constraint.

[@duncanny5848]

Thanks for a superb and balanced review. Not really in the market, but if I was building a new mid-range system this card would almost certainly be my number one choice. If my current rig had space for a second GPU, then this would be it.

[@noodleiv]

KZbin before Patreon?

[@Level1Techs]

same time, it was embargoed

[@ZombieJig]

Is this a significant upgrade from GTX1080 (non TI)?

[@吳炯仁]

What about sr-iov? I only wish.

[@yerachmielb1]

I just want to know if I should be excited for the B570 too because I just couldn't stretch my budget to get the B580.

[@trudeo42]

Amazing review. But way too many ads.

[@mysticknight487]

Are you going to do a Linux review of this card? How about stable diffusion or other "AI" fun?

[@Marc.Google]

26:10 is NVidia really the premium brand though if the card is slower and worse?

[@MrEnvymd]

Gaming is good and all but some of us put them to ACTUAL work. I'm curious about HEVC and AV1 encoding. Some of us Plex folks are keeping an eye out for upgrade potential. Been fairly happy with my A750...but maybe it's time for a new model. 🤔

[@DMonkeyR]

Hi Wendell, mentioned testing the 10700k and the performance being lesser, and that possibly being driver overhead. The B580 is limited to x8 PCIe, could that have caused the lost performance on the 10700k which only supports PCIe3.0? Maybe a quick check of performance in PCIe4.0 vs PCIe3.0 would confirm?

[@slipknottin]

Wonder how well this does as a plex transcoder card

[@ZombieJig]

How is it on Linux?

[@ilanbar1970]

Intel is back!!!

[@jierenzheng7670]

Has the Xe driver on Linux reached feature parity with the Windows one?

[@its.me.ragesh]

RGB WAR BEGINSSSSS 😌🤝🤝🤝🤝🤝

[@digicorefx5930]

So, my question is how is the card with virtualization?

[@teknologyguy5638]

Hopefully Intel doesn't abandon GPU Market with CEO changes....

[@benjaminoechsli1941]

They're losing money badly. Even if these sell well, I'm not sure it's profitable to continue releasing dGPUs. Time will tell.

[@roklaca3138]

I wonder how high prices will go here in Europe

[@tato-chip7612]

gonna use this on linux :)

[@PaulGrayUK]

How's it go with LLM's?

[@irispettson]

Would love some Linux benchmarks to tell how viable it is there.

[@DennisMarwood]

Do you think they will be releasing something like the A310? Maybe a B310?

[@ibobeko4309]

Hard to say right now, they have financial difficulties right now, maybe the concentrate on the middle class for right now.

[@YoDawgUnleashed]

How are you finding the GPU uses very little idle watts for monitors while others are finding it to be in the 35w range? Are you using ASPM settings in BIOS?

[@enihi]

Upgrade from 1070 Ti?

[@ΔαυίδΠριδεαυξ]

Yes

[@jamesmadison267]

It's so cute! 🥰

[@refreco]

Hey there, do you think it is also Gold for Running AI LLMs locally?

[@4zims]

It'll draw more power to compete with the RTX4060.

[@Pacho18]

Even the 4060ti consumes less than this card. Got one with 16gb of VRAM for $300. That doesn't mean i want this situation like this. Bc i want intel giving prosumers a handy hand to support open source projects vs closed environment NVIDIA has.

[@VincentAmadeus]

Worth to upgrade from my rx 6600? 🙏🏻 Please helppppp

[@Pacho18]

Oc

[@VincentAmadeus]

@Pacho18 thx man!

[@ΔαυίδΠριδεαυξ]

Nah

[@VincentAmadeus]

@@ΔαυίδΠριδεαυξ errr.. Why?

[@Deytookourjurrrs]

@@VincentAmadeusBecause it’s worse. Get a 2080ti or 3080 used. 6800XT is good too. Tbh those are where you’ll see the noticeable difference. Only reason to get this is for warranty. And that won’t save your GPU from dying. Are u at 1080p?

[@xYarbx]

What is the status on Intels linux drivers is it still a non starter like it was when Alchemist came out?

[@LinusBerglund]

GN had idle consumption at 30w. Does a tone have any theories?

[@Berserkism]

Intel already told reviewers how to address this. One change in BIOS and one in Power. Then idle is about 12W to 4060 8W or so. It's not a big difference.

[@radeksparowski7174]

any info if intel is planning a successor for a310/380 ? single slot, no extra power, if possible passively cooled with 4+ monitor support with latest codecs and technologies supported would be nice to have for 150ish euro, not everybody runs local llms or games all the time, photo and video editing with occasional fhd game where the nvidia 720/730/1050/1650/1660 or amd 6400 are a bit obsolete or unnecessarily crippled

[@limeisgaming]

mine arrived 2 days ago and resides since then in my Linux desktop which luckily had its drivers already...

[@coffeejn]

How old is an old system? Is AM4 with 5000's series CPU ok?

[@CherryColaWizard]

Does FrameGen technology have input lag?

[@Berserkism]

Has to be in game implementation by devs. Only one game has it (I think it was F1) and looked to be approx 7ms, and I think that was without Intel's new low latency application. I can't remember now. I think it was tested toward the end of the Kitguru review.