The Iron Hands are better than The Imperial Fists and here's why.

[@ChapterMasterValrak]

WHERE IS THE DREADNOUGHT THEY STOLE

[@chaptermasterkzuxunsteele]

That dreadnought was repurposed! They clearly weren't using it at the time.

[@freeRadioArmageddon]

Mikeh hellstorms? It was a war suit technically

[@suwote]

When battle rep against winters?

[@ChapterMasterValrak]

@ what’s phall got to do with stealing a loyalist dreadnought and dumping out the guy inside just put your guy inside of?!

[@maciekwilkosz6377]

I demnad a response video! I certainly can't wait for all the entertainment it will bring me :) .

[@robertwhite5839]

You're playing with fire there Winters. Expect Valrak's reaction vid soon.

[@wintersSEO]

Yes, but he looks like a bowl of mashed potato and smells like earwax

[@I-am-Ranb0]

Valrak gonna be on a warpath

[@combatwombat2134]

Welcome to the Iron Hands fan club. There's only about six of us, but we're happy to make you an honourary member.

[@Colonel-WhiteRaven126]

What happened to the other 2? Oh that’s right they joined us on the WALL 😊

[@tabe8850]

Morality meter: Imperial Fists >>>>>>>> Iron Hands Interest factor: Iron Hands >>>>>>>>>> imperial Fists Imperial fists suck. Between Valrak’s over-the-top perspective, the fact that IF are the Ultramarines of 30k and have 50 characters while my salamanders have ZERO, plus yellow is ugly, it’s so obvious IH are superior.

[@tilapiastew1]

Winters calling Imperial Fist simple and by transference Valrak, is Pog

[@benjaminrobertson2990]

They hate him because he speaks the truth Honor the Gorgon, brother

[@Nosh_Feratu]

bang on. ..its the ambiguity and the dogmatic flaws that makes some legions more compelling than others, the drama, the tragedy, secrecy, internal conflict and betrayal are exactly WHY I love the Dark Angels and Iron Hands.... yes, I also love the stoic devotion of the blueboys and the Sons of Dorn, but strong, compelling stories need drama... It isnt about stoicism or fanatical devotion to the pope, sorry, the emperor, its about narrative complexity, flawed relatability, emotional resonance, and the First, the Fallen and the Iron Tenth have it in spades.

[@peteh7966]

4:40 in the morning here in Oz and this is the start of my day - noice.

[@andreabonavia4163]

just brilliant, thanks for pointing this out winters! Iron hands are the underdog and what ever is thrown at them they endure the storm and get the job done.

[@blindside4076]

Never was a greater truth spoken. I like all space marine chapters - but the Iron Hands are the best.

[@slackeratlarge575]

Valrak is just wrong should be the title 😂❤

[@redrichmond8485]

Imperial Fists are the only legion/chapter whose successor chapters are cooler than their originator. Would you rather play Crimson Fists or Black Templars, or some guys in yellow that need emotional support fortifications?

[@ShaddySoldier]

Chapter Master Winterrus Manus

[@HereticDave40k]

Iron Fists, Imperial Hands, Ultra Wolves, WHO CARES? We all know the Sons of Horus was the best Legion, led by the Warmaster, the slayer of Sanguinius, Horus Himself. LET THE GALAXY BURN!

[@Nosh_Feratu]

intergalactic brickies vs Cyberdyne 101 legion . . . fiiiiiiiight!!

[@arthurcarroll3226]

If I had to chose between the chapter who’s super power is building walls and the chapter who’s super power is being biomechanically enhanced I would chose the latter

[@Andy__H]

Sounds like Heresy to me! 😱

[@tomyorke3412]

The imperial firsts have as much personality as a glass of tap water with yellow food colouring added.

[@brucehemming9749]

Great video love the banter would be awesome field an iron hands v imperial fist betrep!!!🇬🇧👍🍻🍻🍻🍻🍻🍻🍻🍻🍻

[@adampratt6078]

Yay Winters! Boo sad valrak little pants! 😂😂😂😂

[@richardelliottBGR]

Does it make any difference to an Ork both are just brief obstacles to have fun with.

[@TrashenClaw]

This beef has gotten out of hand, they most stop before the fists starts flying.

[@effeks2000]

Red Talon drenched in blood just whistling in the background.

[@Thedagda801]

When I see lore shades I watch! The Flesh is Weak!

[@B__C__]

Of course the Iron Fists also lost their Primarch--well, really they mislaid him somewhere, _but they think they have his hand!_ So it's not a total loss, right?

[@crsmith6226]

THE FLESH IS WEAK! GLORY TO THE TENTH! GLORY TO FERRUS MANUS!

[@YourStylesGeneric321]

Caliban is a deathworld.

[@Tron89000]

I need someone to screenshot the thumbnail and title with the video length and edit it to 10 hours

[@XYZdude00]

The Iron Hands died when they abandoned Meduson to the Sons of Horus. What exists now is a broken legion and chapter

[@Fireclaws10]

The Iron Hands were broken well before they abandoned Meduson, he was just too blind to see it. He was trying to corral a legion of madmen. He was always a Storm Walker, never an Iron Hand. He didn’t feel the same pain and rage, the need to replace flesh with steel. He didn’t understand the needs of the legion. They left Meduson and went to Medusa, where they were reforged. They were the first to lose a Primarch, and it drove them mad, leaving a permanent scar in their psyche. The Blood Angels developed the Black Rage - the Iron Hands developed a need to remove their flesh.

[@XYZdude00]

@Fireclaws10 if he had failed to wrangle the legion into a better path that would have been one thing, but when they straight up abandoned him to be killed I was pissed. What I am saying is that the Iron Hands deserve every bad thing that happened to them after that point

[@abellyofanarmy]

I think valrak should man up and play against you... like luetin did...

[@jeran881]

I agree.

[@slackeratlarge575]

Very cool

[@ProbablyFat]

******A LOUD SHOUTING CHAPTER MASTER VALRAK HAS ENTERED CHAT******

[@Drapkin]

Loken was never a son of Horus, he was a lunar wolf 😁

[@Panta8472]

rents due!

[@Prophetofthe8thLegion]

Valrak is seething

[@danielrigione58]

Are they yellow tho?

[@danielrigione58]

Everyone loves working with yellow

[@freeRadioArmageddon]

If you use colour forge spray it's valrak orange 🧡😅

[@Adamantos-Elean]

@@danielrigione58 yellow is the color of cowards.

[@PeterButchens]

No way, he too lol

[@chaptermasterkzuxunsteele]

SALAMANDERS ARE THE BEST OF THE OG 20! ... I mean 18!!! VULKAN LIVES!!!!

[@SableTwoSeven]

Into the fire of battle! Unto the anvil of war!

[@chaptermasterkzuxunsteele]

@ hell yes brother!! 🎊🎉

[@tommoolenaar3901]

Nahhh come on now.

[@tabe8850]

If Gamza gets involved with this fake feud, I’m out.

[@fistimusmaximus6576]

Fisting all the way.

[@joachimmeier7318]

You are right.

[@Jimmy-pf7kr]

Love it 😂😂

[@JeanWayne]

Winters: "Listen, here are 8:52 of me being wrong by telling you that Iron Hands are better than Imperial Fists."

[@redjacc7581]

No way. The Imperial Fists are THE premier space marine legion.

[@Swarzyc]

You all argue about second place. Everyone knows that White Scars are the best.

[@B__C__]

_Hear! Hear!_

[@miketeeveedub5779]

Imperial Fists remind me of the French soldiers on the Wall at Camelot in Monty Python's Holy Grail. Capable but silly. Really, who wears yellow? More like Tonka Fists! /jk kinda

[@TheDirtysouthfan]

This is the thought I had when I first started during 4th. It didn't help that the way they painted them made them look even worse at the time, not that they had many pictures of them to begin with. Later they emphasized a sort of reddish tiny and the yellow toned down to be a bit darker, away from the more palish yellow, and that improved their look to finally be serviceable. Of course even the Phobos Marines are still yellow....

[@freeRadioArmageddon]

Daemonic machines > wall fetish I mean

[@thomassierp5583]

The iron hands are cowards. If you won't go to battle for the want of 1 bolt round, because you dont have a guarenteed victory on paper, youre just an administatum number crunching book keeper pretending to be one of the emeprors angels. It isnt that the imperial fist are better than the iron hands, its simply that everyone who who is willing to put their lives on the line for the emperor are better than the iron hands. Your average cadian is more a hero of the imperum than any in that failed chapter of apologists.

[@B__C__]

As a Tyranid player I find all marine chapters delicious. Now, while you don't get as much meat off a typical Iron Hands marine as you do an Iron Fist, you do get a lot of iron and other important minerals. _Yum._

[@TheAcidDrip]

This is the best comment in the thread. You win the internet for today.

[@System-Update]

I don't really mind the Fists that much, but there is only one Loyalist Legion that is lamer. The Iron Hands, I mean, their Primarch just died of cringe at the start of the whole thing.

[@Adamantos-Elean]

And the entire imperial fist chapter went extinct, what you have now is a replacement chapter. lol loser sons.

[@AngryAcolyte]

At least Dorn didn’t lose his head

[@B__C__]

Of course the Imperial Fists lost all of Dorn except his hand.

[@Felix40k]

@@B__C__at least they still have something left of him.

[@matthewolsen9131]

Love this beef, keep it up gents

[@theparamythist]

no, my lore is better, sorry

[@zenosAnalytic]

I think you're mostly right(and also: some of the lore they've given the Fists, like the War of the Beast or the idea that 1000 guys are somehow manning forts and reliquaries all over the galaxy and yet STILL a coherent force, is Ridiculous and should probably be decanoned), but I think you're wrong that there's no darkness to the Fists and their successors. The neurotic grief for the loss of Dorn, and the Emperor before him, that they cultivate drives them to some pretty dark places, like how Khorney the Black Templars have become, that generally are a bigger liability to the Imperium than they are a boon. How many unnecessary wars have the Black Templars dragged the Imperium into with Xenos who could have been allies, or at least not enemies? How many campaigns have been undermined by the Fists sabotaging their own readiness with their pointless self-flagellation? How many Astartes have the Fists and their Successors wasted defending moldering bones in the name of their Relic-fetishism?

[@TheDirtysouthfan]

Xenos as allies? No such thing. They're momentary alliances at best but the long run they're enemies. The real kicker is that when Gulliman was revived it was with Yvraine and a Black Templar....

[@GhostHuntsman]

My homebrew chapter, the Machine Templars are a successor chapter to the Iron Hands and are all about aspiring to become a machine spirit. Their homeworld - Alita Secundus - is a massive archeotech vault that half of the chapter defend while the other half are on a crusade against the Dark Mechanicum.

[@adamsan7494]

Dorns lads are the best.😅

[@joesheridan9451]

How’s it even up for debate, IF are the single most boring faction you can play in 40k

[@chaptermasterkzuxunsteele]

VALRAK IS WRONG!!!

[@The_Blood_Wraith]

The only thing the Iron Hands are better than anyone at is losing their heads, aside from that they are a self loathing garbage legion/chapter. Their successor the Sons Of Medusa are the ONLY redeeming thing about their Geneseed

[@3dward8]

💯

[@thebestplaguemarine3130]

We can all agree NIGHTLORDS are the best AVE DOMINUS NOX

[@johnbattyll6874]

Winters I always like your videos whenever they come out. Until this one. As a loyal Son of Dorn I cannot support this message. Kantor did get told by Roboute Guiliman that the Crimson Fists are what Dorn would recognise as his old legion when they were given Primaris. So not sure what that says about IF.

[@wintersSEO]

I think the Imperial Fists are hella cool. I say so. I'm looking forward to collecting and playing them as I journey through the Heresy. But the lore for the Iron Hands complex and deeper, and they are easier to paint and aesthetically different. I think they're a level above, you don't, and that's cool too.

[@johnbattyll6874]

@wintersSEO sorry my tired brain forgot to add in the emoji, this one in fact 😉. I have recently produced a mini me and they are very demanding (who knew 🙃) and my brain is not working at 100%.