The Issue of Apostasy in Islam and the Ridda Wars |

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[@tasneembootwala8308]

May allah swt curse Khalid bin Walid and every one who usurped the rights of prophet s.a.w.w.s. and his family a .s.

[@AliA-im7xx]

don't the imams teach forgiving. same with the prophet

[@tasneembootwala8308]

Wonderfully explained Masha Allah

[@hassanzaidi2243]

thank you خیلی ممنونم شکرا

[@rumanaadam7604]

Allahuma sualıy ala Mohammed waalı Mohammed

[@Rico-Suave_]

Watched all of it 24:12

[@abitour930]

Salam aleikum, Dear Sayed, in the end of the Video you talk about the existence of conditions. My question is what are these conditions. I could not extract a lot of them from the video.

[@Thaqlain]

The conditions differ from jurist to jurist. Some state that the person should publically denounce faith. Similarly, it is a condition that the person should have accepted Islam before denouncing it. It is discussed in detail by Sayid Rizvi in this book: www.al-islam.org/articles/apostacy-islam-sayyid-muhammad-rizvi

[@azataliking8302]

God bless you and protect you from Evil people out their and beautiful intellectual explanation of apostasy.

[@Thaqlain]

JazakAllah. Keep sharing our content with your family and friends.

[@azataliking8302]

@einsteinone5380 Hadiths are not word of God but word of men. But No where in the Quran Allah says if someone changes their religion kill them but instead says There is no compulsion in religion meaning its up to everyone what they worship or wanna worship. You can force on someone a religion and thr Prophet pbuh preached and practiced that. Allowed thr jews and Christians to practice their own religion.

[@azataliking8302]

@einsteinone5380 That's all you come up with a circumsation argument. Go read the Quran you uncircumcised ignorant human. Here is a example for you. I don't need the hadiths to understand this. Surah Al-Fatihah 1. In the Name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful. 2. All the praises and thanks be to Allah, the Lord of the 'Alamin (mankind, jinns and all that exists). 3. The Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful. 4. The Only Owner (and the Only Ruling Judge) of the Day of Recompense (i.e. the Day of Resurrection) 5. You (Alone) we worship, and You (Alone) we ask for help (for each and everything). 6. Guide us to the Straight Way 7. The Way of those on whom You have bestowed Your Grace, not (the way) of those who earned Your Anger (such as the Jews), nor of those who went astray (such as the Christians).

[@pakistan010203]

Bro there is a story from Quran in Surah Baqarah, when Musa AS went to mount Sina for 40 days there was a man in bani Israel named Samiri he invented a calf from dust and some group of people start believing the calf to be God. They start praying to that calf. When Musa came back from mount Sina…….. Allah give a command that all those people who committed this sin should killed by there family members……From here can we say that this story has relation with apostasy 🤔

[@Thaqlain]

Let us discuss this with Sayed. Even though the Shariah of previous Prophet's was stricter than the Shariah of the Prophet of Islam, you are right that this verse (2:54) does hint the idea of killing the apostates.

[@pyellard3013]

@@Thaqlain Being deluded is not apostasy.. Their understandable error should have been explained..

[@habibanathani3747]

It is necessary to take the name of Allah while slaughtering an animal Is it necessary for fish also If not why it is not necessary

[@Roshustar]

But this doesn’t explain why a Fitri Murtadh is killed but not a Milli (he is given a chance)

[@Thaqlain]

The discussion here is more through the lens of the Seerah. You will have to reach out to a scholar for jurisprudential matters.

[@harrissajid4674]

Do Shias consider bonfire night halal?

[@harrissajid4674]

What are the Shia websites that can help me with my research

[@habibanathani3747]

Today there's tresin in name of education

[@Al-Madhloom]

ماشاء ألله ،خوش

[@intunetutoring]

May Allah curse those who curse the sahaaba RA

[@HadithOfThaqlain]

Indeed, may Allah SWT curse those who curse the RIGHTEOUS Sahaba, but not all Sahaba were righteous.

[@pyellard3013]

Don't worry... The koran says everyone's destiny is written by Allah before they are born... I am not sure how that relates to a born and raised Muslim becoming a genuine Atheist on adulthood and thereby being punished in Hell by Allah? Perhaps you can explain this illogic? No? Thought not.. But that won't stop you praising yourself for being a "believer"...

[@155stw]

Malik Ibn Nuwayra was a great Sahaba, but why did Khalid kill him? I haven't seen a sahih hadith that said Malik (RA) left Islam.

[@pyellard3013]

I find it hard to believe that Allah exists.. The Koran says he punishes apostates no matter how kind and decent they are.. One dosen't choose what one believes.. A born Muslim who as an adult comes to beleive that evolution means that there is no 'designer " called Allah does not loose his belief in Allah by saying " today I will choose to defy Allah, accept I will go to Hell, and choose Atheistism ". Any such idea is completely stupid. As such, if Allah sends apostates to Hell he must be both stupid and nefarious..But, of course such an absurb evil God dosent exist. Please note that I don't accuse you of being stupid because you believe in a stupid nefarious God. When it comes to superstitious belief many intelligent people can hold stupid beliefs.. I know intelligent people who believe the number "13“ is unlucky.. Such a superstition is complete stupidity, but they believe it to be true despite that they are otherwise sane, rational and intelligent.

[@pyellard3013]

What nonsense... Confusing blasphemy and treason with apostasy. Treason is to do something bad against the state.. It's not to say 'I don't believe in the state...' Anarchists in the West are free to be anarchists and even preach their creed. As for blasphemy, simply saying I no longer believe in God, Allah, Krisha is not punished in the West.. I understand that to many Muslims it is blasphemy to say one doesn't believe and that may have also been the way in the West five hundred years ago.. But we have moved on.. Christianity in the West has been tamed by secularism. Only a tiny handful of Jewish and Christian nutters want to see apostates killed because the Bible might say so... But literally hundreds of millions of Muslims do want to see apostates killed...

[@Thaqlain]

Hundreds of millions of Muslims follow the Islam that the learned from the caliphs. The true Islam, as given to us by the Quran and Ahlulbayt, does not agree to their opinions.

[@pyellard3013]

@@Thaqlain Yes... I didn't say all Muslims are bad... The vast majority of the 1.2 billion Muslims are decent non violent people.. That still leaves, however, a few hundred million nutters. Most of those nutters will not harm anyone on a day to day basis... But they provide the potential recruits for likes of Baghaddi...

[@pyellard3013]

Unfortunately it's the other way around.. Muslims are divided amongst themslves and on how to interpret the Koran and Hadiths.. A supreme example being a Western Imman who says gay is OK whilst that was definitely not the interpretation of trained scholar Baghaddi. Undersuch circumstances one can only read the Koran and Hadiths (in my case, only in translation) oneself. Whilst recognising that translation distorts.. I have to (reluctantly) recognise ISIS as being more true to Islam than Western Liberial Immans. However, semantics involving the meanings of words and outright inventions could make Hitler look good..Eg "when Hitler said 'Jews' he didn't mean all Jews in perpetuity but only those greedy rich banker carpet bagger Jews of the Weimar Republic... "🙄

[@Thaqlain]

The majority of Muslims abandoned the guide appointed by the Prophet and went on to choose their own caliph. When a divine message comes into the hands of fallible humans, it is bound to turn into a messy situation.

[@pyellard3013]

@@Thaqlain Emm... Even without Muhammed and his nominated successor there is the supposed divine words of the Koran.. The Koran says that Allah writes our destiny before we were born and even subsequently intervenes in that destiny to guide disbelievers into yet more disbelief... Such contradictory nonsense is proof the Koran is not in the least divine.. I doubt, however, that you are capable of seeing thru' the nonsense of the Koran. I suspect you have literally brainwashed yourself (or were brainwashed as a child) into believing the Koran "MUST" be a wonderful perfect book... 🙄

[@adamnouri23]

Omar and Khalid were friends against Ahlilbayt . However , they had their issues . Issues that are not plausible or nice to mention here.

[@Mister_Hassan]

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[@Mister_Hassan]

@@einsteinone5380 this is a Shia Muslim speaker we don't follow nisai or bukari, do more research.

[@Narrator_of_Tarikh07]

I just wanna know, what is the Shia viewpoint on the leaders of the Ridda Wars Tulayha ibn Khuwaylid, Abu Shajara, Umm Zhiml, Malik ibn Nuwayra, Sajah bint al-Harith and Musaylima the Liar ?

[@Thaqlain]

Some were legit claimants of Nubuwwah. But for many, especially Malik, it was merely used as an excuse to remove them from the way for their loyalty to Imam Ali.

[@trailblazer7108]

Sunnis claim that Malik conspired with Sajah, someone who claimed to be a prophetess, and therefore killing Malik was acceptable. I’ve also read this in Tabari. How should we respond to this? Where can I find the reference to Malik being killed in salah?

[@Thaqlain]

And then why Khalid eloped with his wife without Iddah? The details and references can be found on this link: www.al-islam.org/abdullah-ibn-saba-and-other-myths-sayyid-murtadha-al-askari/4-malik-bin-nowaira

[@trailblazer7108]

@@Thaqlain thank you, this was helpful. In summary, the claims in Tabari about forming a pact of non aggression with Sajah are narrated from Saif, and his chain of narrators includes fictional characters. We therefore conclude the claims are manufactured to cover up the crimes of Abu Bakr and Khalid.

[@Thaqlain]

Duas 🤲