The issue with Goku Black & Zamasu as Raider in Dragon Ball The Breakers

[@lilyoxley-rq9ks]

Ok I’m just gonna say it on paper, the level 2 “strat” works, but in execution it is very easy to get jumped by an experienced group and just die because half the lobby can melee combo you. Suddenly this “strat” don’t work does it

[@Forgottenone247]

💯 agree this strategy only works with a non cooperative group.

[@Scruffy901]

Fly up and fall down, make sure to use the AD too, and do not forget Zamasu. He is your very best pal, do not forget the charge either. To run tf away.

[@holyelixir4580]

right but it's not like going to Rose against a coordinated group is a better choice, because you're still going to get melee combo'd and theres now a super transphere to deal with

[@lilyoxley-rq9ks]

@@holyelixir4580 but at least the entire lobby can’t punch your face in

[@lilyoxley-rq9ks]

@@holyelixir4580 yeah but your kit is stronger to compensate and less people can melee combo you

[@NOVA-BEAST]

My main issue with the lvl 2 strat is that being lvl 2 late game is VERY dangerous All it takes is like 4 or 5 survivors to have lvl 3 to beat you. I feel like the most easiest way to fix the issue and incentivize players to not stay in lvl 2 is to add healing from lvl 2 to lvl 3 and possibly add what he he has as lvl 1 where his Evolve status whill automatically go up over time. Either way I’m not a fan of this strategy and as a Goku black main I find it very boring and I run into the same issue back when I was a buu main but worse.

[@walterthomas7540]

Honestly if Goku Black had Frieza's damage evolution passive, i bet lobbies would think twice about attacking him

[@thrasher698]

The problem is sadly more to do with ST interacting with passives making them far stronger than I think the devs intended and for that I have a simple solution: make ST's overwrite your equipped passives with a different set of passives for the duration of the transformation. No more of the damage reduction of resistance/Unconcious Control evasion making them disproportionally powerful compared to the raider they're paired with, while still allowing the level 4s achieved through Shenron vs the relevant raiders to benefit from their builds. Seemingly a simple solution, but knowing Bamco they're not gonna do it

[@mathewcool1626]

The UC part is simple: REMOVE IT

[@avastellar]

Exactly. ST should have a given kit just like raiders do. The skills should only work for survivors.

[@wadaisyjoe3188]

Like i sometimes wish Black had dragon balls Even if it makes him harder people wont be scared to evolve and survivor could still techqually ball rush

[@craz5326]

One easy fix, give Rosé a cracked vanish kick.

[@joshbarker2009]

As a goku black main, I HATE the level 2 strat. I've only opted for it once, and it was because I was in the same situation as in this video cause I got jumped early by 4 level 3s and somehow clutched it up.

[@1TooManyLucas]

The real problem is the key rushing situation. You can't get past level 2 because by the time you're in range for rosé the stm is almost if not already out

[@santir2396]

I think lvl 3 super transphere is a bit of a tacked in mechanic. Broly has super transpheres in every level becouse he starts lvl 2 so you naturally have a legup in terms of power over survivors, since they have to get 2 levels in order to actually damage you. I don't think Zamasu (fused) and Rose are strong enough to warrant the super transphere mechanic.

[@propanenaccessories]

Rosé will MELT you if you don't have a ST to distract, wdym? Fused isn't strong enough though, I'd agree

[@viennasavage9110]

its less about it being strong and more about it being accurate, which is nice imo

[@bluepineapple4396]

I get why people don't want to transform with him, but at the same time, black having that much control over the match is kinda dumb. We should have honestly just gotten the dragon balls to fight him.

[@eunit08]

You hard scoping the super transphere while the rest are cooking is what people fail to realize how they throw games. The moment I see any percentage above 20% or over 50%, I keep tabs on the STM like someone body camping

[@NiteStrike]

9:51 this is one of the problems with super transpheres or level 4’s and such. If you fight someone w/ Ultimate D Change and their from another platform, they can keep dodging and because you guys have different netcodes the raider gets a lot of false hit confirms and from the survivors pov they’re dodging by a mile. Because of that when you melee them you’re forced into the melee animation and the ST can get a free hit while your stuck like that.

[@jonathanhannah4]

I'm pretty sure that's on all platforms. Even before cross play was a think on the switch side that happens

[@NiteStrike]

@@jonathanhannah4it is. But when you’re fighting someone from crossplay that situation is guaranteed, which is what makes it a bigger problem because the whole point of crossplay is to interact with other platforms

[@rodrickgoldberg2324]

I personally think Black and Zamasu are fine the way they are. Only because I find Ultimate Dragon Change and super Transpheres become very broken when combined with unconscious control. (Which is also the reason I think Broly sucks as a raider). Until the devs decide to nerf Survivor skills and U Dragon Change, I think giving Black the ability to low key deny survivors the opportunity to use it at all is totally fair.

[@ironcane]

I don't think that was their intention though. And playing a raider the opposite way they were designed to be played by intentionally staying at a low level is fundamentally bad imo

[@satoshi-raven]

​@@ironcaneagreed but STs are busted with certain skills and cant really blame the raider for wanting to stay low level to avoid having to deal with it. It's the STs fault not the raider side.

[@super_kami_dende]

I feel like Vegito is a bit strong against fused and I feel that's one of the biggest issues. You can't spam super attacks anymore, but ki blasts can melt a raider's health especially Vegito's. UC players can be hit by timing your melee with their vanish, but you have to be close to them and predict where they'll vanish too so that's the issue.

[@propanenaccessories]

ST's DID get nerfed though

[@chufy8944]

@@propanenaccessories and its not enough

[@trucksneedmilk8103]

I believe fused zamasu is perfectly portrayed as a trump card (a last resort) just like in the anime

[@Naomi-ig1vz]

Lvl 3 strategy is focus the stm when super transphere is out when they attack you vanish hit them if multiple people attack wait till your being hit by multiple people break strike and always use the sword beams attack the faster left click on computer

[@omarifisher687]

I was thinking that level 2 goku black should have a passive that gives him evolution from taking damage. The passive will go away after reaching rose.

[@crocsoncrocsman6273]

Now where are all the guys who were saying "Zamasu & Goku Black are perfect for breakers! They should've been base game!"

[@craz5326]

If Goku Black came out before DBS Broly, then he wouldn't be a ST Raider, and the problem would be fixed.

[@CelkyN6]

You just need to view the level ups for Zamasu as situational, if the stm is close to being out you stay lvl 2 if not you go 3 and rushdown the super transphere (granted this can be countered by them just not picking up the super transphere prior to the stm though, which is bs and shouldn't be possible). Same thing for Fused Zamasu you only go to it if your health is low, and you only go Corrupted if the stm is still a ways off from being done.

[@justindemont6062]

I always get one civ or survivor execution away as GB just in case but if STM comes out with no one gone i just stay level 2 i mean it's not often but a sweaty ST can just turn the game around. I literally solo beat a fused Zamasu with five souls and won the game with only me and another random as Vegito it's kinda insane how strong they are

[@AH-cl4ee]

I think they focused on the wrong parts of Goku Black’s character for his design. I remember he was all about getting stronger through fighting. They should have given him Broly’s evolution mechanic instead of Cell’s since that would solve a lot of the problems Goku Black has as a raider. Nerfing Zamasu seems harder to do since I think all they can do to nerf him is incentivize killing him which would only Nerf the raider as a whole and depending on the incentive, kill the raider as more transpheres come out.

[@The_WIll_OF_D99]

Broly and Nappa run off that same logic. I even said this in my comment (read if you want) They simply need to follow the Anime a bit more closely They do need a slight rework imo. 1. Make Zamasu stronger imo just a tiny bit like faster supers and speed up his ki blast a bit. Heck this is a me thing. But I would love it if they allowed an option (like Spopovich) to evolve so you can play him a bit longer or strategically switch if needed ect. Anyway I digress. 2. Like in the anime the more Goku Black gets used to Goku's body the more he enjoys Fighting and taking pain. Combine Nappa/Broly's mechanic on damaging Survivors and killing Civs build up energy (to act on his Zero mortal plan.) Which fits his character but at the same time like Broly and Nappa Nerf the amount of energy he gets from civilians. 3. Then take Frieza's mechanic on sustainable damage and passively builds his energy. To force level 3 to happen. This also adds a layer so he has more chances for fused Zamasu later who doesn't appear often unless you are stomping or the players fumble so hard. That to me fits and would be a stale rework for his kit to be more healthy for the game (even though the level 2 strat is not that good again a good team it's still something the devs should look into) My personal rework would be different but if these are the changes the devs can do I would be happy

[@AH-cl4ee]

@@The_WIll_OF_D99 I can't find your comment, but I think you hit the nail on the head for a fair rework. I think the current version is too unhealthy for any meaningful nerfs or buffs to take place without being heavy handed.

[@The_WIll_OF_D99]

@@AH-cl4ee I'm glad you agree with my take 🙏🏾

[@Dragonskull1057]

Technically there is already an incentive to kill Zamasu. If you kill him instead of letting him transform then everytime he is "killed" during the match it takes longer for him to respawn. Might not seem like much but that extra time you don't have to deal with him helps a ton.

[@AH-cl4ee]

@@Dragonskull1057 it’s actually the most irrelevant thing in the game. If you get caught by Zamasu then it’s a skill issue, the vegeta gloves exist and not getting them is up to you but you can’t complain when he chases you and hits you.

[@stefannocoloma8159]

They need to make him tankier,more hp or recover hp when he goes to lv 3 like broly so people are not afraid of evolving

[@LucidPhoton]

I fell for the Super transphere shit like twice yesterday ^^' I thought I had enough time before the STM to defeat trunks but alas even after defeating him the other survivors were able to jump me and defeat me. It's a 50/50 shot honestly. Depends how lucky you are with the supplies you have around like civilians and such

[@karbyboi8489]

I think its just goku black not being designed properly to work with a ST. Broly kind of works (He gets bullied by ST too ☠️) because his kit is meant to deal with them. He has a crazy dash skill, a pull, plus a barrier on top of his evasive. Goku black to me is more like a 1-on-1 raider. Now obviously raiders in general struggle with getting jumped. But broly feels like he's designed to handle getting jumped, as much as he does struggle with it admittedly. (Broly does heal after evolving that is pretty good) All of GB skills are snipes or meant for just one person. When your getting jumped as him, his skills come out too slow. You cant use any powerful attacks since theres no window. By staying in your lvl 2 GB will struggle with handling just 1 lvl 3 since his damage output is so low. Its worse when there's multiple 2 and 3'$ and supplies come in. The lvl 2 strat only really works with a team that doesn't really coordinate

[@Scruffy901]

14:29 I mean getting the level 3 and using AD for as long as possible once the ST is out isn't exactly a bad idea since it is in the ETM game

[@ffsupawarrior9282]

Actually I stay level 2 involuntarily 😢premades happen often

[@williammad351]

Just make it that the trunks super transphere drops ragardless if he’s lv 2 or not but it takes like four minutes after he goes lv 2 and the timer goes down by like 2 minutes if he goes lv 3. Since Goku black seems to be a raider that’s about “when” to evolve despite it most of the time it being never, this could put pressure for people to play him as a raider as intended.

[@josecriollo6976]

I was thinking the same thing, just make trunks ST drop regardless of the level, it pressures the raider to evolve

[@flyingdunsparce]

Just wanted to say that's a terrible idea. I'm usually forced to use the lv2 strat because they get the STM out while I'm still lv2. So if there's a super transphere on top of that it will be impossible to win. And Goku Black is already the hardest raider to win with.

[@BorderlandsBoy0]

Needing the super transfer to fight the raider seems to be the problem

[@ftgjsfdugrj6156]

It's heartbreaking seing a raider fully developed just for encouraging players not going beyond lv2 if they want to have a chance

[@protege6383]

Honestly, I think they should remove the level 3 transphere, survivors already can get to level 3 easily once the STM is out and jump you, just make it a rotation between Trunks and Vegito for the level 4, currently unconscious control and barrier are just too annoying to give survivors a non decaying transphere, 7v1 is not a fair fight ever, maybe they can give a emergency transphere when the survivors get down to 4 since that’s more manageable

[@Wombat.Combat.]

5:26 in the building on the right it looks like a civilian

[@WeakestHater]

That was a frieza gaming chair

[@Wombat.Combat.]

@@WeakestHater ah, looked like the shape of a civ and not frieza's differently shaped pod in the video so I didn't realize

[@wesmoorer3638]

I thought so too. I don't know . Hard to tell

[@ReignofIndepence]

The survivor stun meta with trunks hanging back taking shots is what led to this. Survivors need a nerf. They continue to get new skills but raiders remain the same

[@Naomi-ig1vz]

Lvl 2 strategy for goku black just means your really bad at the game I never stay lvl 2 cause lvl 3 is overpowered

[@spider-soniczilla2989]

People who use the lv 2 strat can't fight. Wait until they find out Broly ALWAYS had a ST on his ass. 💀

[@liamheaney6295]

I'm level 93 Goku Black/Zamasu and haven't lost a single game whilst playing as him! I personally just go all out aggressive from the start! Don't waste time with silly ass civs. I just use Zamasu to dash to the opposite side of the map and put pressure on the survivors. By the time you get Goku Black, you're most likely down to 5 survivors! Then I start going for survivors and civs at this point to get my level 3, ensuring there is 4 or more survivors left and 2 destroyed areas. If there is only 4 survivors left, I take my attention away from the survivors and kills Civs until they plant they keys. Then I'll go all out. get my level 4 and easily destory the lvl 4 SSGSS Vegito and then destroy the STM when there is 1 survivor left. I usually just let the last one escape cause I'll have 5 platinum badges by the time I finish.

[@bluewind9321]

Players that purposely stay Stage 2 are lame, simple as that Of course it's situational, like if you get key rushed and whatnot

[@jmerc8340]

Tbh i still evolve has goku black because i want to play as rose and beyond. I have done the level 2 strat and i won but didn't have fun doing it

[@fallenangelplays1725]

I've had consistently played against Goku Black Raiders and I lose every single time. There are only 5 matches that i Remember where we just BARELY scraped by and won. The issue that I've seen is an issue that developers can never Patch or Fix up. The Aggressive styled players. Specifically Goku Black at Rose has 3 Beam-styled ki blasts which Basically has more priority than other ki blasts. It's spammable too which means after the first three- there's nothing to stop you from doing it again and again which makes sense but at but at the same time on the receiving end makes it seem like you're dead no matter what. Another issue is just how one sided it obviously is. Yeah that's the point but it feels far more one sided than it should be. The raiders have auto lock on, huge sweeping attacks, and a larger health bar. Survivors? 3 hits. 1 to knock barrier, 1 to knock you down, and 1 to finish you off. and Dragon change against Rosè Goku Black just doesn't exist. I know someone is gonna complain and said you shouldn't lose as Raider or something ridiculous like that but if that were the case then why is there a win for when you defeat the raider? But that's just a tangent avoiding the Actual issue which is Aggressive styled players. You can't nerf Aggressive players in real life.

[@Kerbrygaming]

Nerdcane? Why not Ironerd or Iron Nerd

[@bigpan3347]

"Stop this man is not black"

[@yaboiheadnappy]

Hold your fire, this man isn't black

[@bigpan3347]

@@yaboiheadnappy 🤓

[@antwon442]

🤓​@@bigpan3347

[@all_late_gamer5695]

I think it would be cool if they added another transhpere, either Kaioken Goku or Enraged Vegeta or just one of them but it comes out if the Goku black stays at level 2 when the STM comes out.

[@AlienEditsMemes]

I think it should be super saiyan 2 goku just like when goku and goku black had their first fight

[@dr.dapper120]

No, absolutely not. Survivor is op enough as is, super transpheres actively ruin the games it is in. It punishes the raider for playing the game, shenron works because the raider also gets to use it and can prevent survivors from using it.

[@satoshi-raven]

​@@dr.dapper120Facts. STs ruined the game for raider side and one good step is to make passive skills not work on STs. I want a hard nerf on them.

[@AlienEditsMemes]

@@dr.dapper120 I agree with survivors being op but I don’t think the super transpheres. I have lost tons of games as goku black recently and some were harder because of transpheres but it’s more so how survivors just have good attacks, damage and ways to get their limit back to Max so quickly so they keep fighting until they beat the raider while the raider like goku black can be boy breakstike at best 20 seconds. The survivors need to be nurfed or make it harder to get energy

[@The_WIll_OF_D99]

No one likes to read my takes because they are super long. But honestly i have a to say about this. 1. Are they badly designed? Not necessarily in solo Queue they seem like it but if they stick at level 2 and everyone just builds up to level 3 they wash him or get it prior and jump Goku black. Their issue by how rhet are designed who they are as characters. Honestly rework goku black level 2 to work like Nappa. Goku black Loves to fight (as the anime shows the more time he is in Goku's body he is enjoying the thrill of it and the pain) Let him work like Frieza/Nappa in that case let him passive build at level 2 by taking damage and by doing damage to players and nerf (ONLY IN LEVEL 2) HIS Energy he collects from survivors and civilians. It fits his character and game play balance it can be engaging on both sides. Once he hits level 3 its business as usual. 2. Other aspects i would argue to tweak him (honestly this is me enjoying Solo Spopvich challenge s) But Please let some Raiders choose to evolve or not. Like no joke i would love to play Zamasu more just because. Fighting with him is kinda fun despite him not being that great and fun voice lines. Give him a tiny buff to his projectiles speed and speed up his supers they are very bad other level 1's have competent supers why cant he? I even did some matches i avoided civilians and go for players and ngl itss fun wiping them out (unless i am getting ki rushed or they all run Broken Meta where Zamasu cant counter it lol) I know i wrote a lot but thats how i see Goku Black You can go with a handful of other options to rework him. I played them a lot amd for the most part im surprised they didnt just allow Goku and Vegeta super transpheres to appear at level 2 like Goku and Vegeta fought Black 3 times in the anime just make those Super Trans-spheres weak so its not gonna make playing level black irrelevant. The whwn he hits level 3 extends the time it takes for the Transphere to spwan (depending on the game phase) Ect anyway im dont yapping lol

[@KonaSquid]

Maybe make Goku and Vegeta transpheres spawn at level 2.

[@spider-soniczilla2989]

I think it would be Base and SSj Goku at lv2 (SSj would be a bit stronger).

[@Naomi-ig1vz]

Zamasu b tier goku black 2 is b tier black 3 z tier zamasu lvl 4 b tier corruption is z tier if you don’t agree your bad at the game

[@spider-soniczilla2989]

I would say Zamasu is c tier but other then that I agree.

[@Dominic13337]

Zamasu: C Black: Z Rose: S Fused: B Corrupted: S

[@badfrad1754]

Goku black needs to be nerfed. The slap on the wrist nerf is just to give survivors super transphere at level 2 to punish goku black edging level 2

[@MasterPig11]

I think Goku black is too strong/ cheesy of a raider for a few reasons. Ive seen a goku black win just by staying up high and firing kamehamahas down. Zamasu is so annoying, you often have to waste dragon change just to get him out your way. Fused Zamasu gets an instant zone destruction for no reason that wipes out the entire lobby going for the last key. I think the best way to beat him is jump him at level 2, but he levels so fast the survivors cant get level 2 before hes wiped almost everyone out. And ki sense is on way too a short a cooldown. Can't wait for the next raider so that people start moving on from goku black

[@craz5326]

I'd LOVE to enjoy fighting one of your lobbies as raider.

[@thebluebomberguy1819]

Personally, i kinda wish that goku black would would auto evolve the same way as broly. I mean, come on in super, he was getting pummeled by ssj goku in his BASE form. And then later on, he was also getting pummeled a little bit by ssb goku when he got enraged in his ss rose form. And then lastly he was getting pummeled pretty badly in his ss rose form when he was fighting vegeta during their 3rd fight and vegeta pretty much destroyed black. So yeah, it would be better if sometime in the future they would put goku black's evolution meter the same way as broly's.

[@spider-soniczilla2989]

I think it would be more like Frieza, Lv energy on damage taken rather then damage dealt, Goku Black always became stronger after a beat down.

[@thebluebomberguy1819]

@spider-soniczilla2989 true either or would be fine as long as he auto evolves from taking damage.

[@holyelixir4580]

So much is badly designed about this raider imo, Killing lvl 1 feels completely useless unlike every other auto evolve, staying level 2 feels like the optimal strategy. Level 4 is actively throwing the game, AoE supers are good idea but they are so large you get hit when you shouldn't. Feels like the Zamasu AI is always camping your downed body which is just not fun to be on the receiving end of

[@mysticstrikeforce5957]

yah i noticed vegito last a lot longer than trunks so what i do is just stay at 2 and camp at survivors. Not gonna lie now this game makes you understand villains a lot.

[@deathrowrising1975]

I don’t play goku black with the level 2 strategy I actually like fighting the super transformation survivors I always try my best to get to final form when I play raider

[@rialvita7141]

The L2 strat only works so far. The L3 strat only works pre STM's activation. And by the time you hit L4, you pretty much have won the game unless you did an horrendous job as a Raider. Unpopular opinion, but I would let the Dragon Balls be activated two times, one per wish, and add in the 2nd's text, " and drop ST.", dependant on the Raider's level.

[@user-nn4mc8ge4u]

Ngl it made me stop playing. Every match is the same and so boring tbh. Sick of super transpheres.

[@nelsonl5501]

And they buff this strat in season 6 Who idea was this.

[@liellevayev371]

The issue the way I see it is you letting the STM cook while fighting the trunks and not throwing supers at the STM and only focus trunks. lmk what u think

[@javierrosado611]

Goku black made me not want to play the game again, when i start playing again ill probably use another raider

[@highchurro1545]

They shoulda made goku black a double raider like how they made it seem at first with the trailer

[@The_WIll_OF_D99]

Tbh it would be cooler I you can swap back to Goku Black and Zamasu gameplay wise and Buff Zamasu as he levels up for those who enjoy playing Zamasu

[@18EnderIdv]

I saw half corrupted zamasu yesterday when i was playing him cause the survs were really good but i did better just barely

[@shisuiuchiharose4829]

If they just added a super transphere for level 2 Goku black like ssj2 Goku Survivors wouldn’t complain but also that being said, Goku black needs something in return As a level 49 goku black, I know he’s missing something

[@shisuiuchiharose4829]

Maybe Goku black gaining some health after going rose because the point is to be stronger because of the damage he took, gaining the knowledge of what Goku’s body is capable of

[@1stNinjaM]

Getting timed out after making that comment had me dying. I knew the exact right words to infuriate my dude and it worked like a charm. Goku Black is designed like a Raider facing the Dragon Balls and not the Super Transpheres. I think the proper solution is to make him level off dealing damage and heal on level up. This makes him similar to Broly in that you can't avoid fighting the super transpheres but you can clutch a jumping due to the level up. This would force GB to WANT to level up AND solve the issues associated with leveling up to 3 and 4 without actually having to touch the Super Transpheres.

[@ironcane]

😐

[@protege6383]

Honestly I think it should be more of he gains level up from being attacked and heals on level up to level 4, Goku Black abused the zenkai boosts to get stronger so taking damage to level up makes more sense, and doesn’t force him into level 3 for attacking and beating the survivors who 1v1 him (He’s not beating them as level 2 if they jump him with level 3’s cause there’s too much stun)

[@dragotech1234]

I think Ginyu feels more for Super Transpheres since they get a free level 4.

[@user-nn4mc8ge4u]

Facts

[@protege6383]

@@dragotech1234 and then the level 4 sucks ass- if you get everyone killed then you’re gonna die likely either way, you want at least Guldo and Jeice surviving, but also Ginyu has dragon balls so no they def don’t need a transphere

[@dog-ma1097]

5:25 civ you missed in area a

[@_Vengeance_]

That's Frieza's chair

[@eunit08]

A solution would be to change the criteria of the super transphere appearing. Make it come out later in level 3 like how it was for Broly at the start of season 4

[@weebygg]

got goku black to lvl 99 honestly cant wait for 100 so i can stop playing him lol

[@HyperShadow991]

goku black should get energy just by downing someone, say take half of what he gets from a ko gets moved to being gained from merely downing a player and have him slowly gain over time

[@ssj3shadow209]

I also like to evelove however i feel like u barely get to use merged our half corrupted zamasu

[@reddawn1873]

For me goku black is a mistake Namely You can just barely get an edge over the survivors because you control their super transphere You can't really evolve

[@Wombat.Combat.]

That’s the only reason I play him. I absolutely play the super transphere and I never play Bdoly because of it. Since I can stop the spawn of it however, I still play Goku Black. Plus, it can easily get you killed evolving to lvl 3

[@dat_lamp]

Make to where Survivors get the lvl 3 Super Transphere about a minute or two...not instantly!

[@BillYaKnow]

Probably an unpopular opinion but Goku Black is overpowered, I don't enjoy facing him even slightly. His toolkit is INSANE, compare him to any other raider and you quickly begin to realise he's the best and it's not even close. Ki detection at all levels (only him), auto evolve level 1 with borderline no downside for dying (saibamen are similar but saibamen don't become the strongest raider in the game), two aoe snipe moves at level 2 with tiny cooldowns (only him), a.i that sticks around even after dealing damage to you (only him), i.t for said a.i (only him), break strike at level 2 (biggest one of all raiders too) rush move from level 1 (only him and Broly's start at level 2), no transphere at level 2 and no dragon balls (only him), average health and average kills for levels. He gives you too much versatility and lacks a clear weakness unlike every other raider. Against all other raiders I agree with the community that survivors need nerfs, but if you nerf survivors you MUST nerf Goku Black. The fact that premades can consistently lose to him should tell you how strong he is, I have a full movement build just for facing him because fighting him is out of the question.

[@bombshells184]

Fr, he has no downsides to his kit like other raiders and can do only better. With other raiders they have unique positives and downsides to their kit For example Broly has two evasives and the fastest dash in the game but he doesn't have ki sense, terrible level gain against civilians and has to deal with super transphere All the raiders have a downsides exvept for goku black, most you can say is his health but even that isn't a full weakness since the rest of his kit is too good He really needs to he nerfed by either adding transpheres at other levels or just nerfing his skills

[@SpaceGodSage]

The most optimal way to play goku black is to get level 3 within 3 minutes

[@InsightReasoning]

It’s the best because if you were the person shooting that super and that didn’t hit them I just know you would be steaming over getting robbed.

[@jaydantastic3529]

i feel like people are overestimating STs because being honest unless they have kaioken or use the grappling device you can easily get away from an ST user that’s tryna distract you, take advantage of their assumption, if you see them tryna fire ki blast at you while your back is turned that’s when you shoot back, it catches them off guard and you’re more likely to hit, other than that don’t let them take your attention and don’t be afraid to take a lil damage here and there

[@-Chrome-]

Just add Trunks as a Super Transphere at Level 2, and it's fixed ;)

[@shisuiuchiharose4829]

He only went rage when Goku black was at rosé, it makes sense to put a Goku ssj2 for Goku black

[@akg_1832]

Eh to be fair super transpheres are easily killed by Rose Goku .. emphasis on easily

[@kunonabi]

The issue is a combination of things. Staying at level 2 is ideal because of how overpowered super transpheres can be, especially now that we have mouse aiming to deal with, and how fast the pace of the match is which makes it so that you're naturally going to be level 2 most times the STM goes up. I honestly think it's the weakness of his level 4, having ki detection instead of zamasu for his scouting, and his level 1 evolution design that need tweaking. I'm perfectly fine with the strat since it can be countered easily enough. I would prefer for leveling up to be the more viable option of course but in the game's current state I'm not going to complain about having one raider that can bypass super transpheres/Ultimate DCs. I mean survivors get like 3 abilities per season aimed at eliminating the elements that are supposed to balance them so it seems silly to complain now that the shoe is on the other foot.

[@KavinCatastrophe]

15:21 BullCrap!!!

[@brionac2903]

i mean, you could've won the first match if you played well... but ok i guess

[@adamcartrette4037]

If familiar with the map, a Goku Black Level 2 gameplay could focus on purging as many vending machines all over the map as possible. That would be an interesting video to see how much the Raider could limit the survivors resources.

[@Malicious_Malachi]

I knew you'd be complaining about Goku Black within a month, I called it.

[@ironcane]

He is fundamentally flawed in his design lol. And if they continue to design raiders like him the game will suffer for both raiders and survivors

[@atotallytoxicm1]

the problem with goku black is a bit overblown and the solution you provide would only make things worse. some of the things people have been saying makes me think i should record my goku black matches to show that it isnt as bad as you think. I really can't say this in a nicer way but you really couldve played better in these matches, yes, there is definitely an issue with goku black, but some of the situations you blame on said issue, i'd say it was your fault instead. Others in the comments have provided decent solutions as well. Sorry if i sounded mean and keep up the good vids

[@ironcane]

I don't think I played perfectly here and I'm not saying I did. I'm just saying if I would've stayed level 2 I'm very confident I would've won and had an easier time and that's stupid imo

[@atotallytoxicm1]

@@ironcane that is indeed stupid, which is why I say the issue is infact there, but I think it's being a little bit overblown.

[@ironcane]

@@atotallytoxicm1 is it overblown? If they continue to do this with super transpheres you'll only see more of this

[@atotallytoxicm1]

@@ironcane I don't think we'll be getting another super transphere raider for a few seasons, and if we do, what are the odds they make the same mistake again?

[@_Vengeance_]

The big problem is combat passives. They're designed for limited-time transformation so when someone gets a permanent transformation with them, the Raider's screwed. UC particularly. They need to make them only applicable to regular transformations, including Shenron lvl 4 (or at least a case-by-case nerf where only the popular ones get disabled on permnent transformations while the rarely-used remain unchanged).

[@super_kami_dende]

5:23 Chat wasn't gaslighting, the civ was in one of the far back buildings in the middle Also, you could've had it if you realized how far the STM was and started attacking the people on it when it was around 50. I do get wanting to kill the Super transphere and I feel like the best way to deal with them is making them come to the STM so you can focus on both.

[@ironcane]

regardless, the match would've been much more manageable and easier if I simply would've stayed lvl 2

[@jonathanhannah4]

That's not a civ. That's Frieza space pod

[@super_kami_dende]

@@jonathanhannah4 I see that now, it just looks like a civ at quick glance

[@super_kami_dende]

@@ironcane True, but as you said that's not fun. It's just my recommendation if you choose to level up as Goku Black that's the best way to manage the STM and ST. I think they should've added Frieza's evolution on damage mechanic considering he had to take damage to get stronger and understand his body in the show.

[@JumpingJoey-d8o]

I think what they need to do to insensitive goku blacks from not using the level 2 strat is to make it very risky to stay in that state, maybe make goku black gain charge for his level through fighting, it'd make sense anyways, but make him more squishy than he is now (like 75% of what he's now, so survivors are insensitive to attack one that is being lame

[@The_WIll_OF_D99]

No that's a horrible change. You invite more of him getting fucking destroyed for no reason. The idea he builds it over the course of the game is fine but making him HAVE LESS HP??? NO lol that's already bad. Plus his HP doesn't heal each transformation.

[@Kinesis_Bubets]

I think when going corrupted the animation should be like great ape where everyone has to watch it and the STM pauses.

[@The_WIll_OF_D99]

Yeah fair I can agree with that

[@thebiss1846]

I could see this being fixed by making Goku Black more tanky. Not as tanky as Cell, but just able to absorb more damage. That or give him what Broly has, which is regaining a certain amount of health from level 2 to level 3.

[@mysticstrikeforce5957]

I wish we can increase our speed as a raider that is something that has never been touch is the upgrades on raiders physicals stats. I always think the flying in this game is to slow. I hope when the androids come they bring in the extreme speed.

[@looney1283]

Zamasu/Goku are Super Annoying that's what with the issue of them lol XD

[@TheNoorVIG]

😎👍

[@sebastianmorin9780]

Zamasu needs some reworking in general. Lvl 4 should not be weaker than lvl 3, and some form of auto leveling up to lvl 3 solves the lvl 2 Raider strat easily I think.

[@avastellar]

ST should have a given kit just as raiders. The rest of the skills should only work for survivors. This game is design to be one sided, to the survivor side

[@terraancesanderswedvgettgo7393]

Naw bruh goku black is fine the way he is cause if you low on health early. The level 4 will bring your health back to full. At least with this raider unlike other raiders you have a couple more options and different stats to react to 🤷‍♂️. All fair game to me

[@Ronaldoprimewc]

I tik level 3 need a bit buff

[@avragebro]

Goku black

[@johndom8034]

Really ur trying to convince people to cheese the game

[@ironcane]

no lol I think the fact that cheesing is the most optimal IS the issue

[@prettymadman1224]

[@thedastardlylizard5944]

The main problem about lvl 2 black is that there is 0 penalties at all for camping other than players getting to level 3. Games get so much slower sometimes. That being said though, a raider is a raider, and getting jumped is still a death sentence