The Just War of Martyrs & Soldiers

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[@johnjulson2563]

Sometimes the good guys lose. Sometimes all you get is the knowledge that you fought for the right cause.

[@TheInfantry98]

Yup like in Afghanistan which was a complete joke

[@hydra8845]

Yeah just like the Germans in WW2

[@user-jg8cj6bb1n]

Well said, not wrong …. Such is life . We live to pass the knowledge on.

[@user-yx8bk6zo9x]

Similar to what I tell my family, Do the right thing, too often, the only thing you get in life is the peace from knowing you is the right thing.

[@armstrong2052]

One more time into the fray.

[@BirdDogey1]

A movie of my life should be called, "A Cautionary Tale".

[@Version135]

Hahaha I hear that

[@windowdog3592]

I'd watch it 😂.

[@zarc]

I got the sequel.... "What not to do..."

[@tugsman5]

I feel like my favorite Dumbledore quote fits the 3/5 point in this video. "There comes a time where one must choose between what is easy, or what is right"

[@a15thcenturysuitofgothicarmor]

The difference is, The good man is the warrior. The great man is the saint.

[@mortem-tyrannis]

A great man has to be both.

[@josephg.3370]

​@@mortem-tyrannisExactly!

[@a15thcenturysuitofgothicarmor]

@TazzH-tw7mj ?

[@micah6-8]

Those that have been called to martyrdom and obeyed, show a depth of character that the world cannot comprehend. Great video brother!👍🏼🙏🏼

[@Hunterr8]

My only gripe here is that John says "christians" when he's really talking about Catholics. These are Catholic martyrs.

[@micah6-8]

@@Hunterr8 I believe he was talking about followers of Christ.

[@Pacheenee7]

​​@@Hunterr8All catholics are christian (or at least they are supposed to be), not all christians are catholic.

[@Hunterr8]

@@Pacheenee7 Yes, but he was talking specifically about Catholics. He just didn't want to acknowledge they were Catholics.

[@Pacheenee7]

@@Hunterr8 if you're in a group and someone says "hey guys" do you respond "my names not guys, it's Hunter?"

[@Pun_Solo]

Stories of martyrdom break me on a level that nothing else seems to. I believe it's is because it shines a harsh light on my own cowardice. I would jump in front of a bullet for my wife, but I struggle to have such confidence that I would carry a cross towards certain death. Side note: knowing my own temperament, I believe I'd have been on the die of taking up arms. Fortunately, I don't believe we would be judged necessarily on which we chose but rather the motives behind our choice. I don't believe we have to be perfect, only righteous.

[@iservHim]

What John is saying around 17:40 rings true for me and I think about the battle of Helm’s Deep, where Legolas tells Aragorn “they’re all going to die!” and Aragorn says that he’ll die as one of them. Poignant. And, I think, all of us know instinctively that Aragorn’s commitment to fight the impossible battle is the right thing.

[@robertknox5690]

The mission is such a good movie. Young Liam Neeson, Robert De Niro, and Jeremy Irons. Phenomenal soundtrack. Great breakdown of the story and the meaning behind the story.

[@nvrprfct9176]

this is good. this is very good. I'm impressed that a man who considers himself a "warrior" would rather be a martyr, given certain conditions. this (to me) shows that your faith is greater than your "warrior", which is one of the things I was concerned about in yall.

[@M21Karl]

Back in the 80's I was the youth group leader at church. Every once in a while I had a movie night. I think Mission might have been the best movie that we ever watched on movie night.

[@michaelman957]

Bartholomew de Las Casas went through this journey from slaver to anti slaver. The modern iteration of abolitionism traces its roots to him. He started opposing slavery of the natives, and then slavery in general.

[@victordilonardo2790]

Years ago at a Christian conference, Aquire the Fire, Jim Elliott's son was. A speaker. The man who killed his father was there with him. I can't remember his name. After becoming a Christain he became like a father to Elliott's son. An amazing story. I think a book was written about this situation called "Tip of the Spear"

[@williaml.bulson7325]

This is the most truthful, solid, and illuminating video of yours that I have ever watched. Super clear while being faithfully nuanced. And totally applicable. Bless you, brother!

[@Hunterr8]

My only gripe here is that John says "christians" when he's really talking about Catholics. These are Catholic martyrs.

[@williaml.bulson7325]

The examples he uses from The Mission certainly are Roman Catholic. It would be interesting if he talked, too, about Protestant martyrs, Eastern Orthodox martyrs, the martyrs from before the Great Schism.... What appreciated here was John's ability to see that real martyrdom is not passive defeat but courageous self-offering. All the great martyrs were formed, developed, and equipped for this courageous service as much as those trained to justly apply lethal force with weapons. Christian martyrdom is a bloody business and the farthest thing possible from fearful avoidance of deadly conflict. This is the first time I've heard anyone in the prepper/self-sufficiency/weapons training community who has ever articulated a clear and faithful understanding of this. No facile claim that being trained in the use of lethal force requires its use in every case. Christ and His justice might faithfully require a different witness. This is extremely helpful for me as a sacramental Christian and a man growing in capacity to fight and protect. I'm curious which martyrs you find embody the strength John is talking about. @@Hunterr8

[@matthewrace2738]

John! Thank you! I've been wrestling with the warrior / martyr question in my head for the past few years and didn't know how to answer it. You've made this much clearer to me! Now my kids will be better prepared as I train them with this mindset.

[@zoecelina9560]

This brings to mind the Battle of Batoche in Sask, Canada. My husband is Métis, and the battle between the Métis people and the Northwest mounted police. It’s really interesting and sadly horrific Canadian history. Proud to raise our two strong Métis men whose role model is my incredible Métis warrior poet husband 💙♾

[@aliceburte9278]

Thank You John 👍🇺🇸

[@HomerJay1818]

Thank you for what you do John. God Bless brother. 🙏🏽

[@ronb6313]

Thanks John. God bless!

[@brodybrokermt]

Love what you guys are doing! 🙏🙌🏆

[@joesavoy3058]

That was one of the best conversations about life! Thank you

[@matthewshannon6946]

This is excellent training and education for the lads. After following you for quite a long time, I'm sure you are the best person to know when they were mature enough to absorb and digest it. Great parental education as they'd never get this exposure in school. ATB!

[@terryengland6792]

I always appreciate listening to these types of view points. Thanks for the show

[@corybrown9933]

Such a beautiful conversation for men and one I've had multiple times with different men of different backgrounds and personalities. VALUABLE.

[@keness4768]

Deep stuff guys. Loved it!

[@MicrogravityMischief]

Great segment!!! thanks ranger buddy... this concept is the one that i battle with most in my spiritual life.. i think its safe to say that i think about it every day...

[@carljefts215]

I love these conversations, this is some of you best content.

[@Cantthinkofahandle117]

If I'm dead either way, I'll die in a pile of empty brass.

[@user-ev1fv6ii1k]

Knowing "Why" you fight informs "How" you fight, but neither of these depend upon (or determine) whether you will be victorious. Plus, how often in history have people known whether they would win? Far too many David v Goliath battles to depend on that. And if you are a Christian, you merely have to do what God leads you to do. And that may include getting out of that mission in the first place (or not). God is a Challenger.

[@CryptoTerp]

Great video. Thank you!

[@tenzinedmiston3349]

The latter half of this was fantastic stuff!!! Please do more conversations like this! Great stuff!!!

[@dbsalzw]

Wow John, good word. This is a difficult topic that I struggle with but I think you explained it pretty well and made a clear distinction.

[@angleupnorth3099]

Amazing conversation!

[@DouglasMr.J-to8vx]

Simply....Awesome

[@andrewsessions7731]

I really appreciate your educated discussion. Very thought provoking

[@jc3_nft875]

What an absolutely amazing and fascinating discussion

[@Juan0481]

Great video John! Thanks for all you do!

[@grogan6459]

Great message! Also, love the book!

[@The-BCC]

It’s great you are using these points as teaching lessons

[@luisshula623]

Mind blowing sir, thank you 👍

[@user-ie1ij9nr7e]

Dude i'm saying this is top ten videos ever for your channel!

[@jason-oh6qr]

Excellent video and great thoughts to ponder. Thank you

[@bilbsk.2510]

Wow this was awesome , thanks for the videos

[@Liberty_Tree]

deep & well thought out

[@craigfuqua4519]

Great conversation

[@JH-lq2jn]

Great video! Great conversation! I love the break down and the contrast of soldier and martyr. Well said! I hope, when the day comes, i can lay down my guns to win others to Christ by giving my life for His name. "The blood of martyrs is the seed of the church"

[@ultratacoRX7]

This kind of perspective is why you're my favorite guntuber. Or just youtuber. Or heck, one of my favorite people in general.

[@TheMacs1]

Always enjoy your content. Phenomenal true role model as a man in this society.

[@jmmartin7766]

I have decided in faith- I will die on my feet, before I die on my knees... End of story

[@Painfulwhale360]

Same same

[@jmmartin7766]

In studying 'The Battle of Thermopylae,' I have come to understand that it may become necessary to sacrifice one's self so that others who believe as you do can achieve the ultimate victory - especially when defending one's native soil... 🇺🇲

[@BLeeFAFO]

Amen 🙏

[@gilbertvoltares1403]

😇 Wow, John. This was heavy, sir. You had me hooked on this episode. What a fantastic conversation to have with someone. Awesome. Keep up the great work. Love your channel.

[@loboloco866]

Watch the movie.

[@therightarmofthefreeworld4579]

Awesome 🤯 thank you

[@thapeacock2601]

These would fit right in on Sunday Morning

[@hexacarbide268]

Preach it !

[@bloodontherisers3919]

Love this video! Ive been curious about your answer to these questions for some time now. Spot on

[@davidsalsedo]

Best show ever!!

[@austinjoy6720]

John needs to publish a list of movies to watch

[@elizabethy2912]

I'd love to hear his commentary on " To end all wars" with Kiefer Sutherland. Or the Hacksaw Ridge, with Desmond Dawes. I LOVE hearing people think about stuff like this, especially warriors!!

[@jamesd1106]

The Mission is one of my FAVORITE movies EVER!! MUST WATCH!

[@seanpalmer7413]

The Mission is one of my favorite movies.

[@TsafrirSklarski]

Much love from Israel ❤ Love your videos!

[@sjl00c1]

Wow! John showing his Poet! I'm totally surprised. Depth man!

[@craighauk3745]

Hoosier. Great movie. They shot one of the game scenes in my home town of Oolitic. The movie is about a team in Milan Indiana. Super tiny town. Amazing state, and I'm a proud Hoosier.

[@joeylitz7444]

Amen! 🙏🏻♥️✝️

[@hazel8king]

Good content.

[@ogloc6308]

The Mission sounds like a great movie

[@jayteefishing1543]

I’d really love to hear you talk about go bags or bug out bags for your kids. I recently packed my kids a bag each and I’m really curious as to what you would put in that bag. Let’s say for children that are under 11 or 12 because I feel like after that age the items would dramatically change. I know it’s important to try to keep their lives as normal as possible so I’ve packed a couple of toys and stuffed animals for them. Comfort items. I feel like that’s important for them to have.

[@j.hartle6709]

Love the history, you guys should do a history podcast

[@vikingbme97]

I love this discussion, but it is very funny to watch John dance around so many of the Catholic imagery/themes in “The Mission” and re-framing it in evangelical terms. Don’t be afraid, you do recognize “the cross” in the film, even if you don’t know it 😉

[@carlosdengo3911]

Great video (great movie by the way!) and great analysis. Let me know how to contact you (or your team) to set up a speaking event in Costa Rica

[@wretchedexcess1654]

Overcoming damage, both psychological and physical, has been the plot in my life... ...much like everyone else, I suspect. At least it is if we aren't too distracted by shiny things. I have succeeded in finding peace of mind and some physical healing. The subplot has been finding acceptance that, as difficult as life can be... ...every part of it is a gift.

[@sandracrandall4561]

Sounds like you've also found Wisdom. One of the best virtues to obtain. Keep striving. You've got this👍

[@wretchedexcess1654]

@@sandracrandall4561 Thanks for saying that. It has been work but, the payoff is still rolling in.

[@Michael_Wade]

Captivating, thought provoking movie. I saw it in 87.

[@VonHoffnung]

John, I'd love to hear your take on the movie Time Changer, and also John Locke's essay on human understanding.

[@jameszclark]

I saw the mission in my Catholic high school. great movie.

[@madcapmagician6018]

Good preach 😁👍

[@twiceborn_by_grace]

You mentioning how this guy was like Saul/Paul, reminded me of the “read more” principle. But in this case it’s “listen more”. I say that because I was going to comment that this guy sounds a lot like Paul, where instead I should have just listened more.

[@TacticalShepard]

Awesome stuff and ya'll brought up many points that need to be discussed more often.

[@michaelman957]

I think you'd like the Sword and Serpent trilogy by Taylor Marshall. It's set during the Diocletian persecution and grapples with this question. Fight? Or be martyrs? There's a lot of nuance. It's an interesting retelling of St. George and the dragon.

[@xxxlonewolf49]

Strength of arms, all the while praying

[@g35tew]

I was star struck when I saw you at the Christmas parade 😆...it was an honor meeting you sir

[@cardonasaltandlight1418]

Good video.✌️

[@larryapl]

I'm old. I've seen this movie. It's intense.

[@komododragon6108]

Love your videos man, I'm 18 and have considered going to special forces... but I don't know if I should with the country being in the state that it's in right now with all the superiors pushing the woke movement into the military... I'm a republican, but most importantly a Christian, and don't know if it would be wise for me to put myself in that position, I don't want to be forced to do any corrupt missions or anything like that. Please let me know what you think. Love you man, thank you for ur service in the military, but more importantly, in your role of admonishing the men of today to step up for freedom and the core values of America 🇺🇸

[@tylerreis7627]

I was you 6 years ago. It’s why I’m getting out. My subjective advice is don’t. But I am not God. If the Lord is calling you, you go. He has ultimate authority and control

[@tylerreis7627]

You have to be ok with and live with any thing that could happen. If it ends up being the most disappointing and frustrating experience you’ve ever had, beyond what you could comprehend, and you’d still say at the end of it you made the right call, then there’s your answer

[@sisleymichael]

I am an old Army infantryman. 28yrs service. The blatant anti-white stance of the Army today is bad. Our federal government is compromised / captured at all levels. Please do more study. The mandatory vax shots? Not for me. WOKE ideology is now policy. In a fighting force? Not for me. National leaders that desire WW3? Nope. Personally, I see the fed gov at war with the people. Just my two cents on this. Please pray hard about this decision. Seek more information.

[@devolve42]

"A republican, but most importantly a Christian". Luckily you're only 18, so there's still plenty of time to outgrow both of those.

[@ghostlight69420]

Don't do it man. This country hates your guts. If you want to be patriotic and serve your country, get involved in local government or the judicial system. That way you can make a huge difference, without dying at the behest of evil people. Either that, or simply focus on providing for a family and raising them to have good morals.

[@tankcrowe5417]

Resolve is a way of life that requires faith in the source you choose. Choose wisely.

[@davidsalsedo]

Brother John, One of my favorite movies I’m a Traditional Roman Catholic I truest appreciate that you did a review and are developing morals in the future Lovell family. Top Dad! On penance and taking up the cross to follow Christ Matthew, 10:38 Matthew 16:24 Matthew 27:32 Mark 8:34 Mark 15:21 Luke, 9:23 Regarding penance; Matthew 3:2 Matthew 4:17 Matthew 11:20-21 Etc… definitely not condemned, and in light of whoever wishes to come after me, must pick up his cross and follow that with me if a cross is not penance, I don’t know what is. Love you brother I can’t wait until you become a Tradition Roman Catholic. You’re well on your way and I know you know more than I do. God bless and Mary keep you

[@Watchingyoutubeaccount]

I’m sure John will be praying for you to convert as well!

[@MrFig-vs5jd]

John, tip of the spear.

[@LuckyJordan45]

Since I moved from California to South America I guess I’m like the kids paddling up river heading back to the jungle. Still pray every day for the nation I served.

[@LakeMissoulaAquaticsandPlants]

Deep

[@johnsummers1103]

Mine will be "Missed it by thaaat much..."

[@crusaderfilmworks]

I’m happy you watched this movie. Very great Christian film that doesn’t end happily from a worldly perspective but from a Heavenly perspective, many saints were made through the honor of martyrdom. If you get the chance I’d recommend “Paul: Apostle of Christ” as you mentioned in this movie many Christians were killed by the Romans and this movie has the same question you are posing in this video but has a very clear answer.

[@rodneypage9788]

Obedience to the Holy Spirit is the key. A secular movie cannot understand this theology and so they are left without a resolution to the story because they dont have one for themselves. God gives the meaning to our actions . Great discussion

[@engmed4400]

One thing that's worth considering is the Magdeburg Confession. It definitely has bearing here, especially considering it's a treatise on Christian Civil Disobedience.

[@g54b95]

Watch 'Das Boot' with your kids. That'll get them thinking.

[@05AcuraRSXtypeS]

Would love to see a series from john and crew about the crusades...

[@rickwrd2849]

Very good. Luk 22:36 "Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." Could you expand on this?

[@rickwrd2849]

Can I ask you for a short video on how to get in contact with loved ones and friends if we are away from home when a societal collapse happens? If there would be no communications infrastructure and we want to warn them not to shoot when getting close or not able to get home?

[@Contentrist]

The Baltic, Finnish and Polish experience and history says that the conqueror respects strength. And historically the civilian casualties in general have been far lower after a total resistance defeat than just no resistance capitulation. As a conqueror I would see those who resisted as valuable and try to leverage that society for my own gain but those who just surrendered I may just see as free extra workforce with potential dissidents among them. And then there are stories about what the Great Khan did and how he conquered. Where the options and history i previously mentioned were basically reversed.

[@gbear34]

If someone is specifically coming for us because of our faith, I would lean on the example set by the disciples. They did not fight their way out of their situation, but rather did their best to spread the Good News with the time they were allotted. If a government or group is engaging in general tyranny, then I think it can be appropriate to resist with force for the good of your community and your family.

[@The-BCC]

So many teaching lessons out of that movie

[@PopeRocket]

The Word will be carried by the survivors to a new tribe and to other tribes.

[@iansimon3527]

What if the warrior is there to sacrifice his/her life to protect and allow the martyr to protest without committing them to perform violence?

[@Nexesys]

John, at what point do we stop fighting and just accept the inevitable? As we see this society fall deeper into sin, when do we become martyrs, and stop resisting? I find it pointless to argue with fools, this day in age. I'm ready to fight as a warrior, mentally, and physically.

[@bladimilsanchez7905]

I like Micheal he is a Soldier,to protect you have to be willing,

[@ccking2617]

I would be flipping out in the Lovell house. I hate when people pause, rewind or start talkin to me when I get into a movie/show. hah