The Karussell at Nordschleife in 30 different racing games (Forza, Gran Turismo and many more)

[@acompassdirection]

am i the only one or is the karussell in some of these games absurdly huge lmao

[@LayzeeGiant]

The Forza games looked rediculiously huge lol.

[@devintolliver92]

Project Gotham enters chat*

[@rc2k524]

definitely too wide in some

[@stutterpunk9573]

​@@devintolliver92I LOVED PROJECT GOTHAM OMGGG

[@CoolCat_24x]

Funny how Project Cars 3 really is just Need for Speed Shift with extra steps

[@The52car]

PC2 had so much potential, then they just... threw it all away.

[@PauloSouza-fu3cl]

@@The52carpc2 was a couple of things away from being perfect . pc3 could’ve been the perfect sim or at least as perfect as a sim can be

[@TMWT]

It wasn't supposed to be called PC3, they made a spinoff simcade on purpose, but Codemasters forced them to call it that when they bought Slightlymad, because they didn't want the game to clash with Grid Legends. The real successor to PC2 was cancelled by EA when they bought Codemasters.

[@purwantiallan5089]

​@@The52carProject CARS 3 originally going to be named "REAL RACING 4 MOBILE".

[@ninjafrozr8809]

Slightly Mad Studios, the developers of the Project CARS games also developed Need For Speed Shift 2. So PC3 is literally Shift 3. It's made by the same guys and also owned by EA because Codemasters bought SMS and then EA bought Codemasters lol.

[@S55M3]

That GTR Evolution game has nailed that gearbox sound better than most newer games crazy

[@yousufzahid6949]

Its actually the same sound used in the NFS Shift series, and Project Cars 1&2.

[@imvivalamilo]

It sounds like Gran Turismo 7

[@MRJAYDANGEROUS]

Well the BMW was the cover car so it had to be good

[@HaronFuroze]

i don't really notice and sustancial difference between GTR gearbox sounds and the rest of the games

[@purwantiallan5089]

​@@yousufzahid6949PGR 4 also has best car sounds like GTR.

[@SingularityEngine]

That iRacing 2008 FoV is absolutely nauseating

[@jorhop4005]

It's a replay camera angle, there isn't a chase cam in iRacing.

[@Ddnaiel]

Am I missing something or that's a G82 in 2008?

[@guestc142]

50 fov gaming

[@Paragleiber]

@@Ddnaiel The game itself is from 2008. The car was added later of course.

[@TheLoneTrader]

It's like it's being filmed from space with a cropped telephoto lense. Looks awful.

[@diegoh6131]

The pain i feel when i miss the apex...

[@ScholliUlz]

An Apex in the Karussell? 😅 Either you mean the point where you accelerate or the breaking or steering point. 😅

[@Spartan168]

@@ScholliUlzhe’s obviously talking about missing the Karussell itself and under steering to the regular tarmac above

[@purwantiallan5089]

​@@ScholliUlzwell thats the inside of the apex btw.

[@kristovicaccipoloska6028]

Shift had some crazy shift up in the feel of the car damn

[@purwantiallan5089]

Nordschleife also originally planned to be added in F1 05 as an unlockable track.

[@willjohnson1085]

Man I love Project Gotham Racing 2. That was my favorite game growing up.

[@FunkkyPanda69]

All of them were so good. My pee-wee brain was mind blown when they made one of the cams from cockpit view in the 3rd iteration. Too fun!

[@purwantiallan5089]

​@@FunkkyPanda69PGR 4 had best car sound of all 4 PGR games.

[@ps1racingchallenge145]

Those early Forza games looked way off scale. Enjoyed the blooper too, the game could have at least pointed you the right way after reset. 😂

[@AlanFormula12022]

The car was rolled off the corner too.😂

[@TinyBearTim]

I doubt they laser scanned back then

[@LuisRivas-yb1gq]

And the modern Forzas still have the whole track wrong

[@urbanshadow777]

Forza still looks wrong to me. The cars look like they were made on a 21:9 screen and have been squished up for a 16:9. Every time I see forza it looks odd Edit: you know now that I look at it side by side with gt I think it is the angle of view that is off. It looks like they are using an angle of 24 to 35mm closer up to the back of the car where as gt is using 50 to 60mm from further away. It give forza a better sense of speed but it also exaggerates the proportions of the car. Gt is more in line with the human eye.

[@nvcnc]

it was terrible. The nordschleife is borderline an entirely different track. It was also longer in the game. I remember I couldn't even get remotely close to IRL lap times. I thought I was losing my mind and when I would look at videos, the track looked so different. Then I read that someone measured it in game and found it to be way longer than what it says or should be.

[@Franzis2006]

"How much do you like BMW?" Him: Yes

[@awesomecaptain666]

Needs for speed shift was really good and fun for its time in my opinion. Awesome vid :)

[@purwantiallan5089]

And also very challenging despite career mode wasnt all that great.

[@kostiantynhlyz]

04:54 - what the heck was that camera angle?! 🤭😆😆

[@lilhaco]

bad fov settings, be careful with your language

[@damsen978]

@@lilhaco What the fuck was that camera angle?

[@Maximus20778]

I dont understand how rhe nurburgring was on gtpsp and still have 800+ cars

[@iucidium1982]

Witchcraft

[@tropixx_xlr1549]

Gt4 in the palm of your hand, that is all.

[@hamhamable]

and that the whole game is also less than 1GB

[@Samuel._.T]

GT psp even had Ferrari, Lamborghini, Buggati, C6 Corvette and more which GT4 didnt get

[@hop9193]

Simple, it just had multiple versions of the same cars

[@YoryiTheFox]

8:20 Absolutely Gmotor2 Moment.

[@jidearojo]

I never played PGR 3 but it looks quite too good for 2005, it was graphically close to Gran Turismo 5

[@philip_si]

I still have a copy. It looks great for its time and feels like what you'd expect from a simcade game from that time period.. I never really got a hang on the steering though😅

[@BraiaCorno]

just see PGR4 is much better, have nice climate variations (rain or snow), incredible lighting and all this in a 2007 game

[@iiGerardoii]

most of it is because they added a lot of motion blur on that game to make it look "realistic", I personally didn't like PGR 3 because it's capped at 30fps

[@purwantiallan5089]

​@@BraiaCornoGran Turismo 5 weather dynamic effects actually very good like PGR3 and 4.

[@raymifelipe]

Forza motorsport 8 looks amazing 🎉

[@MemphiStig]

Never flipped a car there. But what was coming out the back of that Project Cars 3 car? Looked like ice cubes.

[@toddthezondalover645]

😂😂😂

[@realkilju]

Forza motorsport 8 looks really good

[@blackflash1934]

Lol

[@kxdsh]

the early forza games still impress me so much graphically

[@rc2609mo]

GT7 looks, sounds and feels the best but when it comes to racing the AI on the Nordschleife I've had a lot of fun with Project Cars 3 the last couple of days. Custom Race Setup in GT7 is just a lot more cumberson to get a fun and competitive grid of cars going.

[@LapisLazully1]

Forza Motorsport looks the best, but its not that realistic. Same thing with GT7, the track isnt dead like in this game, and the colors are lighter.

[@AlanFormula12022]

​@@LapisLazully1Nordschleife in GT4 to 6 looked realistic.

[@garyr5866]

​@@LapisLazully1Fm8 gfx are terrible

[@highmontage843]

@@LapisLazully1 Highten the contrast and it looks better? Hard no lol, GT7 has the best looking Nordschleife track to date.

[@therealtoddhoward3449]

Yo where did you get project cars 3 it never goes on sale did you buy it for full price

[@toddthezondalover645]

The amount of hours spent on FM3 grinding money on the LMP endurance race: many The amount of hours spent in open lobby on GT5/6 on Nord 550-600pp: Infinite

[@youtubeaccountlol4942]

The Shift games were crazy

[@CVMajette]

Didnt think i was gonna watch this entire thing, but here we are

[@purwantiallan5089]

The Karrusell on GT4 to GT7 are equally fantastic. Project CARS 2 also good.

[@Dryminator]

The track and the corner looks so different in most of these games. Which one is the most authentic one to the real life corner?

[@nakazatotakeshi4286]

Almost all the recent games that's after 2015 or so are an almost accurate representation of the karousell(except Project Cars 3). However, older games, I think Gran Turismo 4, Assetto Corsa and iracing are a good recreation of the corner

[@Inexpil]

iRacing, Assetto Corsa and RaceRoom have them laser scanned but I'm not sure about other games.

[@MaykelFS23]

​@@Inexpil Gran Turismo version is realistically good its just the track is a few inches shorter than real life.

[@Sunay_galo]

games like AC1 & ACC, iRacing, RaceRoom, Gran Turismo 4/5/6/Sport/7, AMS2 are laser scanned, about the other games, i'm not sure about it

[@mimimimeow]

Gran Turismo 4-6 are not laser scanned but the quality of their surveying tools are 99% there. Back in mid 2000s GT4 was a popular refresher sim for Nurburg folks, because they nailed the important bumps and reference points/landmarks for corner and braking. The tree placements are not random.

[@PepperoniGaming]

this made me realize Ive never done the ring in chase cam. in 20 years.

[@kirkdammett9013]

Same here. Was wondering why the Karussell was going on for a lot longer than I normally perceived it to

[@LukasXc]

I like how the Nordshleife in Forza Motorsport is very detailed

[@tomp8941]

Items really not it’s horrendous

[@Leon-ldv26]

nah they just made the road dirty. Acc is detailed

[@13v4]

It's funny to see iRacing at the beginning in 2008 when the track wasn't released there until 2015. It's head and shoulders above the rest in the late 2000s due to it being the only game of that era to feature laser scanning of the circuits

[@purwantiallan5089]

I remember a lot that i constantly hit the wall on FERRARI RACING LEGENDS using a 2011 Ferrari F1 car.😂

[@XenonArcher]

Gotta give it to Gt4 though. It's rendition was 11 years older than IRacings and really wasn't far off at all

[@NeyJohn]

I still play gt psp we don't have any other mobile racing game that good

[@alcrack3996]

Real Racing 3 is better but very unrealistic 😢 it could improve for Real Racing Next but is canceled

[@LayzeeGiant]

lol - Project Cars 3 looked like ice cubes coming out the back instead of sparks. What a terrible effect for a game made in 2020.

[@neromastic4512]

Only 3 games have come close to the real thing (5:14/6:04/6:55) Assetto Corsa Competizione is the best one. The Size,Angel and Bouncing is totally off with the rest.

[@maximilianschaffler9981]

Source: trust me bro

[@neromastic4512]

@maximilianschaffler9981 I've driven on the Nürburgring With my own sports car.

[@zemurph]

​@@neromastic4512likewise, several times. Tbh its FM 6 & 7 in this video that got me closest to what it was like

[@clutchbangers8790]

@@maximilianschaffler9981 Assetto developers actually used laser-scanning of the tracks to reflect the realistic experience in their game.

[@albertogarcia5276]

Iracing version is laser scanned to

[@Thorfinn0607]

1:35 wtf is that fov on iRacing 😂

[@Paragleiber]

iRacing was recorded via replay, as it doesn't have a third person view during driving.

[@Thorfinn0607]

@@Paragleiber oh makes sense

[@csongorduka7125]

It reminds me of gran turismo's stiff camera

[@casperrother9962]

its not 2008 bro, theres a g82 gt3 lmao

[@sirkdagamer0853]

​@casperrother9962 not 2008? The game released that year, it's just the game has updates

[@sarna_czaisz]

You forgot about Assoluto Racing. This mobile game also have Nordschleife track with legendary carousel.

[@Paragleiber]

You are wrong. I didn't forget about it.

[@adai2008bro]

You are right but author mostly shows only home console and Pc games (psp from the video is the exception)

[@alcrack3996]

Read the description

[@meme3161]

Project Gotham looks like a next Gen game

[@ImotoriumVLOG]

You forgot to add Tourist Trophy PS2

[@Paragleiber]

You are wrong. I didn't forget it. And it's quite disappointing to see such a stupid comment from another large KZbinr of all people.

[@maxgroh3007]

The bottom out on project cars 2015 😂

[@VardelRF]

Great to see Ride 2 is included in this one Next how about Laguna Seca Corkscrew section? :D

[@Paragleiber]

That's definitely another corner that I am considering. :) And yeah, Ride is pretty interesting. Many cool locations in there. It might make an appearance in some more videos in the future. And I will also buy the other ones when they get a bit cheaper.

[@ferdi0ne784]

GT7 is a Beast!

[@RST9413]

I need to clean my eyes after seeing so many bmws

[@dooxe1960]

Nfs Shift 2 my beloved :D

[@Powertampa]

GTRE has such great physics otherwise in terms of drifting and how to rotate a car, but yeah it also loves flippin cars xD Did the same thing there first time I went through

[@bushikman6394]

Project CARS 2 is very similar to ACC in my opinion. PC3 looks very weird and feels like some NFS, not a simulator

[@neologic8858]

That's because it's not a simulator, just an arcade game in disguise of a sim-cade like Grid.

[@tropixx_xlr1549]

It's much like grid and project gotham, and if you like any of those games, then give PC3 another chance, it's really underrated.

[@swilleh_]

​@@tropixx_xlr1549deserved, they shitted on fans and made that "game"

[@Beamng.shorti]

in nfs hot pursuit you could drift through the carousel at 200mph 😂😂😂

[@godsmackssa]

Nice comparison Gleibs! Where did you get that "Enthusia" from?!? Never heard about lol.

[@Paragleiber]

It's only on PS2. I also didn't know about it until a few years ago.

[@ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2it]

holy shit enthusia racing so smooth

[@MAIKI_SAIKI]

Man I wish the m3 was in more racing games

[@krox17]

why is the car in gran turismo 7 so gigantic

[@BYardleyOfficial]

ASSOLUTO RACING left the chat.

[@DzikiWieprzu]

New Forza win this competition.

[@cheemsburger6117]

You got to at least put Ride 4 or 5 in there also to show how much they've improved

[@Paragleiber]

I only have Ride 1 and 2.

[@T.K.9]

ACC's new Nords 24hr is the best one by far and 98% accurate to real life. But thats imho

[@MuriloUrubudosCortes]

Great vid! 🙌🔥

[@evilman667]

It took Forza 5 iterations to finally get the Karussell correctly😢

[@0o-0o694]

if a porsche 919 goes around this corner in real life at a hair under 100km how the actual fck does a ferrari 360 do it in 120.... some of these games are just silly.

[@ScholliUlz]

And he forgot one of the most realistic sims of them all: rF2.

[@mueesli4745]

Right, how could he miss that! Personally I prefer AC and ACC, but rfactor is also nice and would have every right to be on this list.

[@Paragleiber]

I didn't forget or miss it at all. I was completely aware of it. It's simply not one of the games that I selected for the video.

[@heddshot87]

Forza Motorsport 6 2015 looks the peak, very little progression for the past 9 years..

[@unrealyourock]

Car jumps in project cars looking nice

[@s0nofanarchy73]

Automobilista 2 should actually be before the Assetto Corsa Competizione one cause the Nordschleife on ACC was released this year

[@imvivalamilo]

iRacing needs to update their graphics. You can tell it’s from 2008 just by looking at it

[@Spectre1406]

missing pgr4's snowy karussell

[@Piterneonet]

Its funny that only in forza games you can take this turn with 105+ km/h . Super realistic ;)

[@speedfreakfrank]

That's because the track isn't scaled correctly. The corner in forza seems longer and not as sharp as the other games. Which isn't surprising for an arcade racer. If you want realistic then stay away from forza games lol.

[@mrteletuby5446]

i think this guy likes the BMW M3 GTR

[@Ingo3112]

Project Cars 2 and Automoblista 2 Are the best looking ones . but i drive the most on it in Assetto Corsa .

[@Carlo8400]

You miss rFactor 1 and 2!

[@mueesli4745]

Did rf1 have the nordschleife as official content? I know rf2 does, so that is definately missing.

[@bizarroeddie1]

great video to see the importance of 60fps on racing games. 30 fps games like Forza 1 look terrible on this footage.

[@wallacesantos0]

Its funny how it took so long for Forza to get the Karussell right (enough), but until up to this day, the mini-Karussell is still very wrong.

[@VPR1589]

Shift 2 felt like a completely different track…

[@neon3869]

M3 GTR DOMINATION BB

[@Kpaxlol]

he really loves the m6

[@BenSuzi1980]

thx for 60fps

[@Nstrike22]

nfs shift has the best immersive camera ngl xD

[@VermorX]

The bike and driver was bigger as the cars in RIDE 2

[@alcrack3996]

2016 Assolutto Racing for Part 2? 😅

[@vinen]

You have missed Grand Prix Legends from 90s

[@Paragleiber]

No, I saw that one as well. I haven't missed it.

[@RetrogG999]

Had no idea this track was in PGR

[@EcoCentrist]

No BeamNG? that one is the best imo

[@diegor3689]

Forgot rfactor 1 and 2

[@Paragleiber]

You are wrong. I didn't forget them.

[@RB_Rotary]

It could just be me but FM6 looks way better than the rest of the FM games 😭

[@Dannyboyyoung]

Gt4 ..2004... 20 years ago ... Has no right to look that good!!!

[@sirkdagamer0853]

It only looks good because it upscaled in emulator.

[@thomripro9975]

Le run final 😂

[@dkyndo]

I'm going to use this video to vent something that bothers me! It's so difficult for big companies to create a semi arcade sim (forza M or GT) with only iconic categories! The closest thing to this in current times was project car 2 with the lmp 900, LMGTP and GT3 like cadilac which is also very difficult to find. like I understand street cars in closed circuit games... but now you give me an Audi R8, Speed ​​8 and E46 GT3... and leave the rest of your rivals out, because they would rather put a Range Rover Velar instead....it makes me so mad

[@theamapolero0032]

The versions that I enjoyed the most, although I have not tried them all, was Gran Turismo 4 Forza Motorsport 2. This one was very fun to crash by accident. Then I tried Forza Motorsport 7. It was good, although it was a game that was not as successful nor did I like the game as much. driving And lately I play Forza motorsport 4 the realism is very good and the crashes and sound are more realistic

[@b1gland]

funny ending

[@Volle-Kanne]

For iRacing the Nordschleife was released in December 2015. The year in the title is a bit misleading. You can’t compare iRacing from today with 15 years ago. The tracks has been constantly updated and so the physics. Compare any ~2010 Indy 500 race with one from the past 2 or 3 years and you will notice the difference (same goes with other updated tracks like Glen or newer tracks like Portimão or Austria). 👍🏻

[@jorhop4005]

It's just the year the game was originally released, it's not the version of the game in the video. The same for ACC, it was released in 2019 but the Nurburgring wasn't added till this year.

[@xXturbo86Xx]

I'm still amazed at how much worse Forza Motorsport games got after FM5.

[@BigLeek-ig3sb]

Did Iracing dirty

[@TheTotallyRealXiJinping]

Man Grand Turismos lack of circuit detail kills me inside.

[@jwallace2913]

They used up their max polygon count on the car instead of making a balanced looking game

[@JDStoneCreations]

Looking at ALL of the Forza versions up until 5 makes me question why I ever played it and how it ever got popular 😂 it’s absolutely appalling!

[@NicolasCageM8]

PGR2 is the goat

[@VinzentVega]

Shift Unleashed absolute perfect

[@AlanFormula12022]

The early FM games versions of Nordschleife actually are good.

[@toddthezondalover645]

Not technically accurate, but great for racing

[@Thissd]

FM5 the best here honestly

[@CodyDBuni]

You forgot Grand Prix Legends (1998), which had the Nordschleife (including the "Karussel" corner).

[@Paragleiber]

You are wrong. I didn't forget it.

[@lennon15396]

Project Cars went straight downhill since 2, smh

[@djisch]

yea forza physics you drop the wheel under the carussel and nothing happens no spin no oversteer

[@DustinsCarFamily]

5:58 why RIDE abs not Tourist Trophy?

[@Paragleiber]

Because Ride is more unique. Tourist Trophy is just Gran Turismo 4 with bikes.

ACC with the new update is the best, no discussion!

[@turefkok9591]

nice, Greta video😊

[@DanTheWheelMan]

Are those ice cubes supposed to be sparks in PC3? Yikes.

[@bighouse3788]

GT7 Gt Sport Nfs Shift 2 Forza 6 …

[@speedlimitviolationspecialist]

you need to learn how to do that corner correctly man diabolical driving

[@Paragleiber]

I am already doing it correctly.

[@speedlimitviolationspecialist]

@@Paragleiber no you arent buddy you need to enter later and keep a steady throttle application until the last bit where u can stamp on the accelerator, not this goofy shit youre doing where ur either 0 or 100%

[@Paragleiber]

@@speedlimitviolationspecialist I am not a "sim racer" who is playing with steering wheel and pedals. The digital throttle input is simply how I play in general and has nothing to do at all with how well I know this particular corner. 0 and 100% throttle is what I have available and my goal is to drive as well as possible under those conditions. And I am quite happy with how well I am doing that here.

[@speedlimitviolationspecialist]

@@Paragleiber u on a ps2 controller? if so i take back what i said