The key to the Enclave's future - Why they were fractured after the war - Fallout

[@penguinsrockrgr8yt216]

I hope we get to see the enclave as a neutral or even “slightly good” faction in the future

[@demondeity9816]

I would love to see a quest line where you can choose for the enclave to either remain as their old radical self or finally adapt to the wasteland. Becoming something similar to the midwest brotherhood just more bitter.

[@adrock_sokolov6570]

@@demondeity9816 if the nukes fell and you lost everything, would you not take a radical approach to revive everything u lost? the great plains, trees on the rockies, and even past leaders including el presidente de mexico. Its not like pre war america was necesarily evil, just radical due to the approach of their neighbors to invading forces, such as canada which seems to forget how close alaska is to them, unless of course their pm is deciding to forget that alberta exists again

[@demondeity9816]

@@adrock_sokolov6570 I mean I would not try to kill off everything in the world with biological weapons or start killings wastelanders like they did in the capital wasteland. Those are the radical actions that I was talking about and these actions would not help bring back the plains or the trees. Old America isn't necessarily evil but the route that the enclave has taken definitely is because instead of adapting to the new world, helping it heal faster and spreading old american values, they decided to wipe the world clean of anything that emerged from the wasteland because they are too rooted with what came before. A story where you lead them to either change to something like the midwest brotherhood, a morally dark grey faction that makes progress with many sacrifices or stagnates like the western brotherhood would be interesting. It would be a plot where the enclave either changes to build a new America or destroys everything in it's path to restore the old.

[@Spiffyo]

Old, but I've been thinking of a Fallout in Colorado, where the Enclave(In this case Norad) has a portion of the map claimed but stays neutral and tends to their land in keeping it defended while also allowing other factions in as trading partners to discuss things.

[@cipherxi8513]

@@adrock_sokolov6570 This depends on the circumstances. If I had the resources of the enclave, I’d immediately radio all major bases seeing if they were operational. If not, deploy special forces to said locations. Once rad levels were down, I’d deploy scout teams to search for survivors and aid them. Once all major installations were contacted and/or secured, I’d prepare to first deal with the raiders. Once they were dealt with, prepare to finish off China. That would be the ideal scenario. The mutants I’d likely deploy some sort of toxin lethal to only mutants (targeting something special to mutants like super mutants or centaurs). During this time, any territory that was occupied by this hypothetical nation would be under a type of martial law.

[@ian7064]

I'd like to think there are a whole bunch of enclave bunkers/vaults scattered around the country who've been doing their own thing this whole time and established communities on par with Vault City in FO:2

[@jamesmilton6529]

Ideally all vaults should be under the Enclave control. But Bethesda wrote that vault tec is bad and the Enclave is incontempt

[@partyrobbins4690]

The Enclave: Fractured but Whole.

[@ZettatheCrimson]

I hope we get a Enclave expack soon for 76, felt super cucked joining them in the base game then WHAM the brotherhood who don't exist yet in the normal lore and timeline of the games shows up and they not only have t51b power armor, but they also have vertibirds.

[@atheisticgreyblob3284]

I hate that the Enclave is clearly such a super power in the wastes... yet gets destroyed by literal nobodys... I really hope Enclave comes back in force somehow, they got done so dirty in previous games.

[@spomja375]

That's the problem. Bethesda (Obsidian too, not all bad is Bethesda's fault, like the average FNV bootlicker would) can't let the Enclave win. The Enclave always have plans, that, if succeded, would've made the whole Fallout series end, because: Fallout 2: only the Enclave would survive, atleast in America, and the vaults, so Bethesda/Obsidian would need to create some sorta civil war. Fallout 3: this would've made them unstoppable, even though this happened to the Brotherhood of Bull💩, The BoS is loves by the Developers. Fallout 76: Idk, I haven't played the game yet, (i find it too boring)

[@rfeyra7364]

you explain the theories so well, thank you, it’s great to learn more about the enclave, whether it’s past or possible future. very much looking forward to all your content 🌟

[@ArachonSpider]

I do agree that the enclave were knowing there will be a war and decided to kill everything so they could rebuild using the G.E.C.K, here comes the Brotherhood which believes that they should build on the current world instead of destroying then rebuilding... That's what I think but not so sure.

[@DefendUSA1776]

I remember listening to President Eden tell stories on the radio. He was such a great leader. #RIP

[@MurdochMMQCR]

I'm like 99% positive there's gotta be some Enclave in the Gulf.

[@MackBanjo23]

Probably since they have tons of Air Force Bases down there in real life.

[@goforbroke4428]

@@MackBanjo23 and ya know, fort hood, fort Polk, fort Stewart, fort benning, Camp Shelby miss, fort Sam Houston

[@Scary1ibera1]

Oil… oil everywhere… [1,862 Real-life oil rigs to be exact] Wait they’re all dried up.. nvm?

[@thetrainhopper8992]

This is also assuming that there can't be more based that got built at various points across the US. I would imagine that they would have had large Cheyenne Mountain style bases scattered around North America with their own vaults to boot. Whether or not they can communicate with anything beyond a few hundred miles is the other issue. But, I do think the Enclave is far larger than we have seen or have been mentioned in the story.

[@goblyn5915]

The Enclave/ US Gov may have planned to attack first but were caught off guard when China attacked first, forcing them to speed up their plans.

[@andrewmannson7543]

Idk, why nuke a nation you're at war with while you're winning and many of your soldiers are located?

[@goblyn5915]

@@andrewmannson7543 The Chinese were losing by the time the nukes dropped. They had been pushed out of Alaska and Americans had landed in South East Asia, it defo makes sense for China to nuke first.

[@andrewmannson7543]

@@goblyn5915 i think you didn't get it. It doesn't make sense for the *United States Government* to nuke first when they were winning

[@goblyn5915]

@@andrewmannson7543 Bruh I'm saying China nuked first.

[@andrewmannson7543]

@@goblyn5915 than why did you imply that the United States wanted to nuke first?

[@jackmack6217]

I really like your youtube channel, so I recommended it on my discord server!

[@TheOmegaInitiative]

Much appreciated!

[@plumbherhub1664]

Honestly the next fallout should be in canada. Also bethesda should team up with moders and the fallout wiki fan club to create back story and quests. Fallout is dark and no one knows what would make a great fallout like the folks who have played all games in and out and respect the lore.

[@Inquisitor-Beals]

I want to side with the enclave in a fallout game

[@Devilmeerkat]

Fallout game where you can travel to multiple states or even the entire United States

[@TheOmegaInitiative]

What I would do as the ultimate finale to the fallout series is; make it of the entire united states and you can go everywhere. Like how microsoft flight sim uses satellite technology to make the world, but instead they actually model the ground to fit fallout's world. Obviously that kind of technology wouldn't really be possible at the moment, but seeing as the next fallout won't be out for a few years, I think we have a few decades before any sort of finale.

[@dottietyre9062]

Yeah we could reconnect the cut line and let Control Station Enclave know to come to Appalachia

[@TheOmegaInitiative]

Fuck Control Station Enclave, they betrayed us. Mount Weather is our last best hope.

[@spomja375]

​@@TheOmegaInitiativeyeah, but they had literally the whole Californian verti's fleet.

[@SheoTheFox]

I love these videos 👍

[@magnaknight2508]

I would like to see the Enclave return but as the good guys. Similar to the Brotherhood in Fallout 3.

[@jamesmilton6529]

I would set them up as a red herring and have the real villain someone else

[@magnusgamer1816]

Actually, I think there should be a fallout game with a joinable enclave where you could choose to stay purist or go reformist

[@talthan]

they had satilite comunications which the brotherhood was using...why didnt the enclave use those?

[@spiffygonzales5899]

What about the supposed one in Texas?

[@TheOmegaInitiative]

Never heard anything about Texas, where's this rumor from?

[@spiffygonzales5899]

@@TheOmegaInitiative I don't quite remember. I think it had something to do with the moon base idea. Like if they were in the moon they may also be in Houston or in that one city mentioned in another fallout game. It's been a while.

[@TheOmegaInitiative]

@@spiffygonzales5899 If there is a moon base it will probably be connected to whatever installation is most convenient to be there at that time anyway. Texas seems way to far out for us to be going there.

[@Commonwealth_Imperium]

Texas is pretty much home of NASA which the USSA would probably be based at, which could have a lot of both Astronomical and Aerial Technology

[@TheOmegaInitiative]

@@Commonwealth_Imperium NASA doesn't exist in fallout, it's possible that the USSA was based in Houston. But there's not exactly any reason for us to go to Texas, as far as I know there's nothing really in Texas. Bethesda could just base the USSA's hq anywhere they want.

[@Teh_Zig]

w...what. When you were talking about 76 I got confused and thought that this was a really old video, but then I remembered this was footage from 76, and is newer. The enclave technically is in 76, if the player chooses to align themselves with them, and I wonder about the significance of anything the player does as an enclave operative, since chronologically 76 is before any of the other games in the series, and by the time we're doing anything for them, we already know what happens next sort of. Liked the video though! Very nice coverage of the series!

[@dougstone9308]

I wonder what Offutt Airforce Base or (SAC) would like in the Fallout world. It's in Nebraska for those who might not be familiar. Could there be a fleet of Vertibirds there too ? I think Lincoln, Nebraska is mentioned in the lore however it could not be cannon.

[@TheOmegaInitiative]

Well there are some SAC vertibirds in 76, those are the ones that escort the cargobots carrying the nuclear keycards.

[@ТоварищМиша-х2э]

I too think that the Enclave had a base in NYC because theres a lot of Technology

[@TheOmegaInitiative]

Most of it wouldn't be useful to the Enclave I imagine. You need some be all end all like the purifier or Hoover dam/Vegas or vault 0 or nuclear silos. What you base your game around, and there's nothing in New York I could think of that would be that. Then again I don't have extensive knowledge about new York, so maybe I'm wrong.

[@Dee-sz4jc]

We do have a couple armorys and underground subway tunnels in NY that would be worth exploring. Alot of shelters as well

[@omegavalwin]

I still think the Map in Fallout 2 tells you of all the enclave locations

[@killinspecialist1965]

what about the supposed enclave forces in chicago

[@TheOmegaInitiative]

I believe it's only an outpost, so I didn't factor it in.

[@Dandroid_1]

I think, back to your first point, it's just a matter of just how devastating the war was. You can prepare all you want for nuclear war, but ultimately, it doesn't matter how many vaults and bunkers you have, something like that is going to cripple you no matter what, it's simply too catastrophic.

[@starbasednews5830]

One people is are the exeption the swiss

[@arcanegamer2723]

i think the issue with the enclave is that their coms are completely down as if they had the means to communicate even just to communicate with the west coast, they wouldn't have sent eda to Navaro after the base was destroyed as you stated also the zacs computer in charge of raven rock could have also been severing com lines with the fragment enclave and the whole

[@jamesmilton6529]

The biggest factor was poor writing by Bethesda. They wanted a cardboard cutout villain

[@AaronDon-e7q]

What about Norfolk naval base

[@Briguy164]

The fall of the enclave. They messed around with arroyo and found out

[@DEADCASTdragonuff]

iron mountain is in Boyers, Pennsylvania its a government facility to hold documentation dont know if that helps

[@jackstecker5796]

I'm kind of surprised they never incorporated Site R. Its near Gettysburg. They basically hollowed out a mountain in the 1950s, which would be before Fallout's fictional time-lime diverged from ours. Not a lot of info is available open source. Also the Greenbriar bunker, which if memory serves, was also supposed to house all of congress for like 6 months following nuclear war. Pretty sure that was in West Virginia.

[@TheOmegaInitiative]

Site R is in Fallout 3 and the Greenbriar bunker is in 76.

[@jackstecker5796]

@@TheOmegaInitiative Wait, are you saying Raven Rock is Site R?

[@TheOmegaInitiative]

@@jackstecker5796 Yes

[@TheFlamerWolf]

Idk if you will see this but what if the institute was with the enclave it would make alot of sense

[@ferrumdraconem2874]

Have you've considered an Enclave presence outside the US? Surely they would have had the resources for that. Would make a lot of sense to build some bases somewhere remote like somewhere in the Artic.

[@TheOmegaInitiative]

I meant to do a section about Alaska in one of my other videos, but I ended up forgetting and I have considered the arctic, but it would be too much guess work to include in a video. Otherwise, no I don't really think about them being anywhere around the world because it's most likely we're not going to be going there and they probably don't have the resources to come to us. The only place they would really be on earth that would matter is America (including Alaska, Hawaii, Canada, Mexico and possibly Cuba depending on whether they annexed it) or the arctic. I'm thinking about it more and, I could do a short video about the arctic. After all the U.S. did try to build nuclear silos into ice during the cold war, so the concept wouldn't be that crazy.

[@christophervoiers8517]

@@TheOmegaInitiative Poseidon energy were in Mexico so they could be an Enclave base there

[@Dandroid_1]

It's possible that Western allies may have 'joint-operations' too. So Enclave, and say for example, a British equivalent, communicating together to rebuild and ensure that China doesn't strike them whilst they're down. It would then stand to reason the Enclave may have some small presence in Europe or Pacific front, to make sure America doesn't face any nuclear threats even post-war. I imagine places like Hawaii, Taiwan, Marshall Islands, or Cuba, may have hidden bunkers for the government too that the Enclave would have access to, it makes sense that they wouldn't keep everyone on the mainland, 'don't put all your eggs in one basket', so to speak. Hell, it wouldn't surprise me if they have a mobile fleet hidden somewhere, with subs and carriers, they'd certainly need one if they plan to land the killing blow on China, or any other surviving governments that are hostile.

[@magnusgamer1816]

​@@TheOmegaInitiative Thule AFB

[@JDragonNL]

Maybe there is a Enclave base in New York

[@TheOmegaInitiative]

They wanted to not get nuked, so having a base in a highly populated area isn't a good idea.

[@JDragonNL]

@@TheOmegaInitiative True, but there are many Government buildings in New York, for example United Nations building, Many underground metro stations or Wallstreet.

[@TheOmegaInitiative]

@@JDragonNL woah, calm down. What do you think this is, Metro 2033? Although that would be interesting to have in fallout. Still, there may be government remnants in New York, but it's still not a good place to survive post nuclear war (or pre nuclear war in my opinion).

[@JDragonNL]

@@TheOmegaInitiative It is would extremely difficult to Survive in NYC, But would be cool to see a Fallout game set in New York. Maybe a blasted out skyscraper as a town. In my opinion that would be cool.

[@JDragonNL]

@@TheOmegaInitiative And Fallout 4 was originally set in New York, but they changed it to Boston, but you never know Bethesda, maybe they made another game in the future

[@Inquisitor-Beals]

Or we assume command of a chapter

[@BuffyPickle]

Makes a lot of sense, after all ZAX did say he contacted the Enclave remnants at Navarro, that wouldn’t be possible if contact had been reestablished.

[@TheOmegaInitiative]

The lore around how and when exactly Eden contacted the Enclave is extremely vague, I try to avoid when I can.

[@BuffyPickle]

@@TheOmegaInitiative my point still stands, it doesn’t matter WHEN he contacted the Enclave, the point is that he DID. So the Whitesprings bunker was more than likely reactivated by the Enclave, which suggests some interesting info for the future of 76. And seeing as Elder Lyons had to be sent east in the first place, it implies that things won’t be working out to well for the Brotherhood introduced in Steel Dawn, and who better to do the deed then their iconic enemies, the Enclave.

[@TheOmegaInitiative]

@@BuffyPickle That or Bethesda just forgot everything, it's about a 50 50 chance either way. Even if we are going to get an Enclave dlc, it probably won't be for another year anyway, steel dawn still hasn't been finished. Or, maybe steel dawn part 2 will be the introduction of the Enclave.

[@trafichat]

Here's another good spot to put my scenario idea What if the Enclave wasn't evil?

[@wiredmetalplant6125]

Ayo what kind of fuckin mini gun is that, I fuckin want it

[@TheOmegaInitiative]

It's the gauss minigun, you need to complete the wastelanders story and then buy it from the raiders with bullion.

[@dephtons]

Why they were fractured after the war? Because they got nuked

[@TheOmegaInitiative]

Were you not listening?

[@dephtons]

@@TheOmegaInitiative Oh, sorry i meant this as a joke. So sorry if this came out rude

[@TheOmegaInitiative]

@@dephtons All good, I do find it annoying commenting sometimes because I'm not sure how people will perceive it.

[@szymonbollin5074]

Fallout tactics neutral ending was cannon tactics ending

[@TheOmegaInitiative]

Almost nothing about tactics is confirmed canon.

[@szymonbollin5074]

@@TheOmegaInitiative Neutral ending perfectly conntects to confirmed tactics lore. After the destruction of the calculator the mid west brotherhood was weakened thats why its mentioned as a small out cast group. In my opinion voult 0 was most likly abbandoned or taken by Legion also Ceasar mentioned mid west seying things about a brotherhood that didnt know about Maxon

[@GirolamoZanchi_is_cool]

🤖. God bless.

[@hydrogenone6866]

Okay, I'll Sub.

[@sirfailsalot3684]

Why do people want the Enclave to come back, especially with it just being the same. In over 200 years the Enclave has barely evolved now a majority of that time the Enclave was isolated in their own bubble. But everytime the Enclave has entered the waste they have not cared for the new world and they only want the old. Then the resistance of that new world destroys the Enclave, the Enclave has never won. They refuse the learn from that. Now I don't hate the Enclave obviously they're being like that is a tenent of what they are. but we never see the Enclave beyond this. For instance if the Enclave bases were isolated from each other wouldn't the self obsessed, holy than thou people of those Enclave bases assume themselves the true Enclave when they think the rest are gone. They assume themselves better then anybody that's from the wasteland, why wouldn't they do it to each other. I mean there's so much potential with what the Enclave is, but no one is willing to look beyond what they were in fallout 2, except for new vegas. which saw them as what they were, a dying race of prideful people holding onto something that doesn't matter anymore. And even then most if the remnants had moved on to a degree. Now please take this all with a grain of salt. im someone who hasn't played fallout 1-3 but has watched alot stuff on them (so I don't know absolutely nothing but I definitely don't everything. Like at all), I'm also a very opiniated person who hates the stagnation of the fallout series (especially the way Bethesda writes its factions) Bethesda version of the Enclave being the one i know the most about. And I'm writing this at 2am so I might see this tomorrow and think I'm an idiot and delete it.

[@zacharyharris5236]

fallout 76 takes place way before any of the other games. so the enclave would have been barely a thing or not a thing at all officially!

[@arthurmaxson9698]

The Enclave has no future.

[@TheOmegaInitiative]

How well does your Prydwen hold up against orbital bombardment?

[@The_mrbob]

Says the man who let their blimp get blown up by some cowboys with laser sticks.

[@flamesofchaos13]

@@The_mrbob Or Android fuckers that have dirty socialist commie ideals. Or some nerds in a hole that can't make basic laser weapons and still working on shitty X-01 specs...They got cool teleportation though need to repurpose that for the US of A's goals.

[@atheisticgreyblob3284]

I hate that the Enclave is clearly such a super power in the wastes... yet gets destroyed by literal nobodys... I really hope Enclave comes back in force somehow, they got done so dirty in previous games.

[@agentsteve8263]

Its bethesda logic, bethesda ruined the francishe and turned it into a shooter rather than a RPG, though Obsidion did screw up fallout 2 a bit, where the Enclave is destroyed by a literal TRIBAL, which is completely ridiculous