THE KICK AND BASS MIXING TRICK | How To Mix Low End

[@maxuno8524]

Compression to the BPM... gold nugget. Been mixing and mastering for over a decade and still learning. Thank you

[@moksh8]

In Logic X - if you go to region inspector on the left, and click on the Delay field - you'll get a drop down list with milliseconds and grid values like 1/64 etc. No need to go elsewhere for release timings :) Thanks

[@najee2123]

Bruh this a goat level comment I never knew that.

[@carl_47]

Wow thanks for that really helpful.

[@Awreadybro7]

🤯🤯🤯

[@JibberJabJones]

i also find it useful to put an EQ on the master bus, solo the kick and bass tracks, then bring a low pass cut all the way down to about 100-that way i can really hear what's going on in the low end without the distraction of any mid-to-high range stuff. helps one really dial in the low end.

[@ezrabrownstein3237]

Someone already recommended volumeshaper, but something like that is definitely the cleanest way to do this. It doesn't have the same character as classic sidechain compression, though. For doing it with a kick, a good practice is to duplicate the kick track, output the dulicate to silence, and use that to trigger the compressor on the audible kick track. We call it a "ghost trigger," and it opens up a lot of creative possibilities like ducking the track when no kick is actually playing or shifting the timing of the ducking slightly

[@BrewerShettles]

Great tip at the end!!!!Thanks Trigger from the sidechain!

[@Amfjsjahcheja]

known about this trick for ages but never been doing it right this is so clear thank you cant believe this is free

[@binary-me]

Always bends my head trying this. I end up getting focussed on the high end attack of the kick and start faffing with that ... a few months, house repossession and a divorce later I think I finally got it

[@Woji52]

Congrats on the repossession !

[@SamuelLaflamme]

Oh man ! thanks! that Tom Hess reference is excellent! Cheers

[@LT3D]

Step 3 is key! Opens up a lot of opportunities for the kick.

[@DonkDoctazz]

Is this what they call a ghost kick?

[@SinclairTheMage]

Dope tutorial 👏🏽👏🏽🙌🏽

[@DjStatusss]

Amazing. I have old song unfinished vocal and synths wav no stems% . I need drums and bass added. It’s Noisee. Should I use this and mspectral for multiband eq to make space tiny gaps . I can’t get just this here to work well? The synths clashing so maybe sidechain the two track or vocal synths track same thing to the bass and drums?

[@bigdap100]

03:20 it always feels good when you poke it in and out sir!

[@maxuno8524]

😂😂🤭 glad I am not the only one who heard this

[@DielectricFailure]

I just heard this too. 😝

[@norand022]

Yesss! Got it! I've just used it for the first time ever! Started my producing/mixing/mastering journey a month ago and heard about this, but it was too early for me. Now I've got it right! It's working amazingly well! Thanks a lot! Best regards! 🙂

[@CallMe_DrWorm]

Nice, it's all about these moments

[@YanevMiroslav]

For years I use compressor for sidechain, but your approach change my life forever 🤘😂 Your content and your skills are blessing for us! T u 🙏

[@jamesrobinson5450]

So clear Absolutely spot on mate 3 years on

[@rickhorvath]

Nice. How about a demo using a real or sampled acoustic kick with a real bass maybe plugged in direct. I always add a logic bass amp and it makes a nice difference

[@andreisolomon3894]

The trigger thing.....mind-blowing..in fact..every thing you say it's illuminating..thank you so much

[@shubhrasinha268]

Volumeshaper is actually the most flexible way to sidechain that I've found. 3 frequency bands can be tweaked individually with different curves and mix settings resulting in the most transparent sidechaining ever. Oh, and it can be midi triggered so it's the ultimate IMO.

[@glenson7587]

You should check out: Multiband Sidechain3 from Vengeance ;-)

[@gerardfabisch]

@@glenson7587 An eLicenser USB dongle for a SC effect?? No thank you.

[@EdgarsBukovskisMusic]

I don't understand: Why I have to change the kick while original kick signal running on the mix? What is the point?

[@minorchordstudio]

Trackspacer is my go to for side chaining, only ducks the conflicting frequencies.

[@keepmovinent7679]

Some times the timing of the release sounds odd on trackspacer tho

[@minorchordstudio]

@@keepmovinent7679 Yeah, absolutely. I tend to use it subtly because of that issue.

[@MrDaveCastellano]

Im all about the waves f6 for this

[@buddhabinaural]

I use whatever pops up first in the list.

[@AKAtAGG]

I been doing music production for over 30 years. I watch some YT producers/mixing engineers and never learn anything. I click a vid I am pretty certain I know will be of no use; namely, this one, and what. Okay I haven't been doing it as well as I could've. Nice work.

[@devangmaheshwari3902]

Time to get retired.

[@ChrisIlett]

Great tip about doubling the track! Used that so much on other things yet never thought of it for one of the most important things of all! Recent subscriber picking up on old gold. Cheers Streaky

[@heathceccato2953]

Could you just time the bass compressor settings so it ducks out the way?

[@TakisKoroneos]

That's cool, but what if you want to do some more processing on the bass? Would you put the side chain compressor at the beginning or the end of the channel's mixing chain?

[@mavicsofficial]

ShaperBox 2 (Volume) by cableguys definitely is the most flexible ducking tool. ShaperBox 2 can also be midi triggered which makes a ghost kick redundant ("ghost" = channel pre fader send active with channel gain at negative infinity). However, certain compressors do have their own very appealing ducking characteristics, in which case a short and spiky ghost kick allows for more flexibility (fast attack, flexible release).

[@ProdbyTrehnt]

The biggest help!! One video was showing where a guy dis his side chain with a no output aux which MADE NO SENSE. This is way more comprehensive.. THANK YOU!!!

[@LYFoulidis]

This one also works great with a dynamic EQ like TDR Nova or FF Pro q3!

[@TimaDheere]

to the point, simple explanation of complicated procedure. Thanks a million. You just changed my mix.

[@gslide06]

If you're using a stereo kit in Logic, is there a technique to sidechain the kick?

[@nickskywalker2568]

Side chain compression skills on point 👌

[@scottmcdowall4230]

Great tip I watched a video saying to compromise the Kick or bass with EQ. I have never been happy with the outcome this little tip really works well..

[@mabian69]

What about sending the kick pre fx to sidechain? Of course it still lacks the ability to play with the signal length but it's more convenient...

[@carptackula7536]

I love the helpful way of dialing in the compressor settings to hear what it's doing, AND the idea of having a mathematical approach to Release Time. However, doesn't a side chain compressor release time 'start' at the point where the incoming signal falls above the threshold? (ie if you were to use just a 1ms transient sample for the kick - or a dummy sc channel with a 1ms sample - with the SAME release time settings you have, wouldn't you end up with a different compression sound, because the release would be triggered earlier with a 1ms sample vs whatever your kick length is in the example ?). In other words, the mathematical value used for your release time ends up being arbitrary as its actual time is the combination of the length of your kick tail falling outside of the compressors threshold settings + the release time value. (I hope this makes sense - please correct me if I am wrong !)

[@bassManDavis1953]

Thanks for a brilliant bit of tuition, so cool for me being a bass player, learning so much about home recording thanks to you.

[@daemeonation3018]

This is good. I have a really great track going now that I need to get perfect. I hope it will be my first release.

[@robertmint3768]

Good tips for working with the comp.

[@elasticoGomez]

Finally someone that gets to the guts without the self-indulgent rubbish we get eve where else

[@torahtalkatl]

streaky... I love you!! Thank you!! I use Logic and to have a pro explaining this stuff in my DAW is everything!! You Da Man!!

[@sierra6music]

So i should compress the kick not the bass?

[@ztevil]

My first watched video on this channel.. quality content and love his English...

[@abezdnb]

The release time (or any delay timing or whatever etc..) will equate to a dividend of 60'000/BPM.... There is 60'000 milliseconds in a minute. So if you divide that by your beats per minute you'll get a 1/4 note in ms. Then of course any dividend or multiple of that will be in time

[@zeepster]

How about the levelling? What levels should the kick and bass be set to ideally? Also, how many low frequencies should be in the kick and how much lows in the bass? It would be great if you did a tutorial on levelling kick and bass.

[@Streaky_com]

Instrument / track dependent

[@deejaySilence]

i came for this

[@deejaySilence]

@@Streaky_com kick and bass ofcourse

[@marcofioravanti4176]

Wouldn´t the length of the Kicksound itself confuse the calculated release time? Think looong 808 kicks, for a second.. So, would it be an idea to use a sharp signal dummy for sidechain triggering, like - let´s say - literally a "click"? Or a "cowbell"? Or, couldn´t we alternatively shorten the triggering kick with an envelope shaper tool, like - let´s say - a "Transient Designer"-plugin?

[@StuBiddyBop]

Love this content streaky, quick and to the point, so many creators faff around.

[@kollegedenkfehler2290]

That trick with the tom hess website is AMAZING🙌🏽

[@marceloribeirosimoes8959]

It's really cool! This is how real mix engineers used to do. Thank you very much. I used to pass both in the same oscilloscope for the checking phase and use Devious Machines DUCK to open space... It has a look-ahead, so help a lot! BTW, nice bass sound!!!

[@bmc2266]

The Tom Hess link is quite valuable! Time saving tool, Thanks for sharing!

[@dyonissiszoes3747]

An LFO tool can also help if you want full-on control. The Xfer plugin is incredibly precise and flexible for that specific use.

[@dylanhughes4548]

Great video as always. You can get the tempo matched ms by clicking on the delay toggle in region inspector on left in Logic and it will give you a list of all the options. Same thing but maybe saves a tiny bit of time!

[@DJTINYM]

This was 100% needed gem thanks and Im loving your more content thank you for this well done brilliant

[@hellomonkeychoo]

Lovely stuff as always! Great video, thanks!

[@TweakerRay]

Thumbs up ! Best short video how to sidechain professional. Good work !

[@sicwillproductionsllc6217]

You the man Streaky!

[@grrpooww4527]

the melody by the way is fire

[@HazzaKBeats]

GREAT VIDEO MAN ! PLEASE DO A 808 AND KICK ONE !

[@SoundSignals]

Could you please do a video on the sine wave trick you mentioned?

[@melodyman9162]

Good stuff brother. Thank you!

[@AcousticGuitarVideosLessons]

Hey Streaky, I absolutely love all your videos. I'm an analog guy trying to catch up to 2020 and your knowledge is invaluable to me. So quick question- I notice that the bass and kick in this vid never hit at the same time. What are your thoughts on that and, would you even use this process? big thanks!! bob

[@brynhendry2899]

If they are hitting at the same time it would require some more complex filtering. I would split the sub and the and higher harmonics onto separate tracks. I would side-chain the sub frequencies to the kick as in this video. Then I would also find the frequency of the click of the kick drum and notch that out on the higher frequencies of the bass.

[@AcousticGuitarVideosLessons]

@@brynhendry2899 Thank you Bryn for the help, I was just working on a track with this issue and this really helps... best regards- and thanks again. bob

[@buddhabinaural]

Whatever works best. It is down to the track and your taste in sound. Only your ears can answer certain questions. I always worried about my kick ducking the bass transients and making the bass attack weak but it never did. That doesn't mean it wouldn't for you though, what you work with could be a completely different style of music to mine. My biggest thing when doing things like this is speed. If I take too long, my ears just start hearing things how they want to. Doing less faffing on and getting results quickly, means less resting my ears, which in turn lets me get in the flow of things without stop starting over and over.

[@AcousticGuitarVideosLessons]

@@buddhabinaural Hey Phuzion1 , thanks for this and you are so right about the ear fatigue. I find myself with pop music second guessing myself where I should just keep going with the workflow as you say. I think once everything is sitting in the mix better, it's easier to identify any sounds that are mucking it up. Have a great 2021 and thanks again!! bob

[@buddhabinaural]

@@AcousticGuitarVideosLessons I mostly just find what works for me, I don't buy in to what others say an awful lot. I studied music tech for 3 years and learned the fundamentals. Nearly everyone first thing on the mix reaches for a Pultec EQ for the kick drum. I virtually never do because I can dial in the sound I love with a Waves Renaissance EQ. I like the low shelf on it, as the Q curve always scoops out the boxy junk really nicely, then all I have to do is remove any mud, or add a bit of body, what ever it needs and generally a bit of extra smack. I personally always get a better result this way but I'm sure others would think me mad and want the Pultec. Same with mastering. A lot will say multiband compression, mid side eq, parallel compression, saturation, stereo expansion. I more often than not only need a stereo master EQ, a vari mu style compressor to glue and a limiter just to catch the peaks. I literally clean bass, add spark/air and glue and that is it. My master compressor ratio is usually tiny. I generally find this is all I need. If I start going saturate, multiband, parallel and all the rest, I suddenly end up with this weird balance and loads of distortion. Yes it's harmonic distortion but way too much and the sound goes really flat. When I use tiny ratios my masters still get really loud but without the distortion. I make music I like and someone elses approach and go to's would give me their style, not mine. I just do my own thing and figure out how to do it better each time. Happy New Year to you too. All the best. I just noticed your name. I got a guitar for Christmas and no idea how to play, so I've subbed. Loads of my mates play amazing but live 150 miles away where I grew up, so looks like you'll be my teacher.

[@johnnyvegas2015]

That was awesome, thanks for taking the time to make those videos.

[@ThePhiCode]

best video on the topic simple concise and straightforward , thanks fo the time you put into this

[@3tribes916]

Nice video - but didn't you forget to click the side chain button on the compressor?

[@rojoratatatata4002]

Thanks for there simple explanation!

[@tonyg914]

You have the time table related with the project´s BPM in the inspector´s delay on Logic X!

[@jl9205]

Excellent demonstration and explanation. Well done!

[@eprotz]

With step 3 you can use the Trigger as a look ahead so with a couple of ms , and it will make even more space for the kick transient.

[@IAMGIFTEDEDM]

Your videos are so informational, well thought out, and full of genuine tips that are easy to understand. keep them coming! cheers!

[@multikillgames]

mmm I hear lots of rumble? Although when you filtered it, it made it a little better.

[@nickdee4642]

Excellent video..thanks

[@maximusfrank2835]

Ever use dynamic eq to side chain just the low end? Wonder how that would sound 🤔

[@carlibeguerie]

Again Streaky, Great video !

[@Lennie_peled]

Great video man, i have a few questions, how should i compress the kick itself and i suppose you didnt touch the eq for the bass and kick because the audio files were already eq'ed?

[@bjazz68]

Brilliant, Thank you.

[@jeff92k7]

A better option would be to use a dynamic EQ or Multiband compressor on the Bass. That way you can duck just the low frequencies from the bass that "fight" with the kick drum while leaving most of the body of the bass guitar. The low bass moves out of the way for the transient "thump" of the kick but the bass doesn't get pulled out completely. I use this all the time in live audio with a real kick drum. I'm not sure how this alternate approach would work with the artificial/techno kick in the video due to its excessively long resonance time, but this technique does wonders for cleaning up the low end on a live system with a quick thump from a real kick drum.

[@nc4ril]

Cool sounding groove. Reminds me of pump up the jam

[@Streaky_com]

More pump up the bitter 😂😂🤦‍♂️

[@MiguelLSilva-ef5is]

Excellent stuff. Thanks!!!

[@greiidluxcuzoontherooftop9841]

Needed this!

[@elifan2523]

Great video, feels like the bass is in stereo, is that a trick to make the kick to stand out better?

[@dallasadams2540]

Thank you for your content!

[@dillonbeylefeld5886]

Great info. Thanks you.

[@thereallyrealbeebs]

Thank you Mr Streaky. Your content is awesome my friend. Love the energy. Love that you mostly use Logic plugins, exactly where I need to be (even though I have a truckload of 3rd party plugins) ❤🙏

[@Rzn8B58]

Tempo BPM to MS is another good website that gives the milliseconds. You actually taught me the correct way to use it now, so thank you. Can this be used for the limiter att/rel/sust as well? is it the same approach of fast att/rel in that situation? I find myself fumbling around with the values and being uncertain what's actually happening in the mix.

[@oommdtube]

You had me at " do do "! Thumbed and subed

[@illhellmuss420]

nice one! waiting for the next video😍😍😍

[@everybodyhasoul5438]

Your videos have helped my mixes a lot!

[@GeoZero]

very cool idea

[@ScottRandall31]

Super info, man!

[@olivierclasse]

Great Streaky !

[@minstinct280]

Streaky kicks ass!

[@Yurkinz]

Great video, thank you!

[@riktascale4]

Wonderful and l will try the Hess website too👍👍

[@sourcefor]

Have you ever used Trackspacer from waves factory and what do you think of it as another option? Thanks!

[@tweakzGFX]

trackspacer is cool but it adds phase issues :(

[@sourcefor]

@@tweakzGFX Yeah I did notice that a few times, thanks!

[@cripesalmighty4744]

@@tweakzGFX yes, it does.. I have found this as well

[@shubhrasinha268]

I wouldn't recommend using trackspacer for kick-bass sidechaining. Use volumeshaper or something in this case. Trackspacer is wonderful to "carve" out space for vocals/leads in busy sections, just brilliant. This is where you won't notice the phasing issues, it is a dynamic EQ afterall...

[@tomlawrenson2608]

I use Trackspacer in the same way as @shubhra sina when I'm working on tracks with vocals. I use on pretty much every project when composing to picture as it can quickly and easily make space for the dialogue and important sound design elements to sit above the music. It's a great way to stop the director/audio editor from turning down your music all the time.

[@mattavalon]

Great help many thanks

[@yeckxo]

Awesome suggestion! I just spilled the beans on Jaycen Joshua's bass magic over on my KZbin channel.

[@khashayarheidarimusic]

Another way to calculate release time or any, u can divided 60000 ms to your tempo Bpm,,, in this case, 60000/123=(487your quarter-note duration). Now if you want to know what is the eight-note duration u can divide 487/2 and etc,,,

[@masimyildiz]

Isn't there a bandpass filtering section in the sidechain settings of the compressor?

[@jordn1]

Love your channel and consume it all the time! I have a question about this technique: I have a project with a BASS AMP track and a BASS DI track. Additionally, I have two live recorded kick tracks, one of which is a more "kick sub." Do you recommend sidechaining the Bass Amp to the main kick track and the Bass DI to the Sub kick track with identical compressor settings? (Hope this makes sense).

[@quintendh4486]

Yo Streaky I got a iPhone app for calculating my ms !! Use it for reverbs a lot also

[@quintendh4486]

And it’s called: BPM to MS (Sorry forgot to say)

[@DHEEVAMUSIC]

Wonderful TIP, thank you so much :-)

[@keefewest]

Legend, thanks👌🏽

[@professorsharp1]

Thanks streaky!